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		<title>By: shell</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/29/its-palin/#comment-1607489</link>
		<dc:creator>shell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 07:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;”She has a stay at home husband who takes care of the kids.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wouldn’t push this particular argument.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;***************&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All I can say is that this is a STRONG reaction.  And I am a mother of three.  I cannot understand a mother who wouldn’t be strongly affected by this decision.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Do I believe strongly in working mothers?  Sure!  I was one.  Do I believe in stay-at-home fathers?  Yes!  I wish I had had one.  But working as a mother, and coming home every night is one thing.  Running for vice president, and being away from your family weeks on end is another.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This isn’t like anything else.  A MOTHER of an infant running for president should put off any woman who has been a mother.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>”She has a stay at home husband who takes care of the kids.</p>
<p>I wouldn’t push this particular argument.”</p>
<p>***************</p>
<p>All I can say is that this is a STRONG reaction.  And I am a mother of three.  I cannot understand a mother who wouldn’t be strongly affected by this decision.</p>
<p>Do I believe strongly in working mothers?  Sure!  I was one.  Do I believe in stay-at-home fathers?  Yes!  I wish I had had one.  But working as a mother, and coming home every night is one thing.  Running for vice president, and being away from your family weeks on end is another.</p>
<p>This isn’t like anything else.  A MOTHER of an infant running for president should put off any woman who has been a mother.</p>
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		<title>By: DrZen</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/29/its-palin/#comment-1606978</link>
		<dc:creator>DrZen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 03:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“She has run a town and a state. He has only run an expense budget.” Blah blah. They are a *mix*, experience with youth. Blah blah. And wake the fuck up–it’s a *plus* for the fundies that she’s a heartbeat from the preznitcy. She’s one of them. Her foreign policy doesn’t need to be anything  more than “USA!USA!USA!” She is not appealing to disaffected Democrats. She is there for the fundies. She may scoop up a few of the dimwitted types who voted Bush in ‘04 because they were scared by the relentless hyping of Al Qaida, but now are looking for other reasons to vote for Someone Other than the Scary Black Guy. “Inexperienced” does not mean “has not held office long enough”. It means “he’s an uppity negro”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I hate the “she’s dumb because she was a beauty contestant” meme, and seeing it on a “progressive” blog sucks. She won a scholarship in the beauty contest, didn’t she? She used what she had to get to college and that makes her dumb?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“She has run a town and a state. He has only run an expense budget.” Blah blah. They are a *mix*, experience with youth. Blah blah. And wake the fuck up–it’s a *plus* for the fundies that she’s a heartbeat from the preznitcy. She’s one of them. Her foreign policy doesn’t need to be anything  more than “USA!USA!USA!” She is not appealing to disaffected Democrats. She is there for the fundies. She may scoop up a few of the dimwitted types who voted Bush in ‘04 because they were scared by the relentless hyping of Al Qaida, but now are looking for other reasons to vote for Someone Other than the Scary Black Guy. “Inexperienced” does not mean “has not held office long enough”. It means “he’s an uppity negro”.</p>
<p>I hate the “she’s dumb because she was a beauty contestant” meme, and seeing it on a “progressive” blog sucks. She won a scholarship in the beauty contest, didn’t she? She used what she had to get to college and that makes her dumb?</p>
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		<title>By: KevinHayden</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/29/its-palin/#comment-1605670</link>
		<dc:creator>KevinHayden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A woman’s right to choose means just that. She chose to have a Down’s Syndrome baby. I respect her choice, no matter what I think I might do.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But she, like McCain, would appoint Supreme Court judges that would - on the first one appointed - take away that right. So let’s be realistic about who Hillary’s supporters were.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Many were feminists and they won’t be giving aid and comfort to McCain.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Some were older women, could be of either party, voting for her because their lives are growing short and they want to see the glass ceilings broken while they live. Will they vote McCain? Some might, on that basis.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Some were blue dog Dems who will never vote for a Northerner perceived as a liberal. Though she’s NY/Chicago, her Arkansas time makes her acceptable out of regional bias. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Some could be racists even. A significant number of Southern Dems are.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My point is, all of Hillary’s support doesn’t fit the GOP/pundit stereotype of being feminist or even female or progressive. So if a big chunk refuse to vote Obama, that’s really not surprising. George Wallace Democrats still exist.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But don’t forget that many of them live in states Obama was never likely to carry. And with John Paul Stevens so old, it can’t be emphasized enough that McCain poses a powerful risk to womens’ rights, but by picking Palin, advances his image as a supporter of women.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No voters know whether Hillary sought or would have accepted the VP position despite her publicly stated position. So let’s let that go as some flaw in Obama’s decisionmaking. At best, it’s a guess that he even had the option.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A woman’s right to choose means just that. She chose to have a Down’s Syndrome baby. I respect her choice, no matter what I think I might do.</p>
<p>But she, like McCain, would appoint Supreme Court judges that would &#8211; on the first one appointed &#8211; take away that right. So let’s be realistic about who Hillary’s supporters were.</p>
<p>Many were feminists and they won’t be giving aid and comfort to McCain.</p>
<p>Some were older women, could be of either party, voting for her because their lives are growing short and they want to see the glass ceilings broken while they live. Will they vote McCain? Some might, on that basis.</p>
<p>Some were blue dog Dems who will never vote for a Northerner perceived as a liberal. Though she’s NY/Chicago, her Arkansas time makes her acceptable out of regional bias. </p>
<p>Some could be racists even. A significant number of Southern Dems are.</p>
<p>My point is, all of Hillary’s support doesn’t fit the GOP/pundit stereotype of being feminist or even female or progressive. So if a big chunk refuse to vote Obama, that’s really not surprising. George Wallace Democrats still exist.</p>
<p>But don’t forget that many of them live in states Obama was never likely to carry. And with John Paul Stevens so old, it can’t be emphasized enough that McCain poses a powerful risk to womens’ rights, but by picking Palin, advances his image as a supporter of women.</p>
<p>No voters know whether Hillary sought or would have accepted the VP position despite her publicly stated position. So let’s let that go as some flaw in Obama’s decisionmaking. At best, it’s a guess that he even had the option.</p>
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		<title>By: Mauimom</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/29/its-palin/#comment-1605637</link>
		<dc:creator>Mauimom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;She makes me think of Quayle: Photogenic, likable enough, but a lightweight.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Boxturtle (Whatever became of Dan?)
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&lt;p&gt;I heard somewhere that he’s going to be a contestant on Dancing With the Stars.  [Not kidding!!]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>She makes me think of Quayle: Photogenic, likable enough, but a lightweight.</p>
<p>Boxturtle (Whatever became of Dan?)
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<p>I heard somewhere that he’s going to be a contestant on Dancing With the Stars.  [Not kidding!!]</p>
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		<title>By: leftdcin72</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/29/its-palin/#comment-1605606</link>
		<dc:creator>leftdcin72</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It really is apalling that JH sees it as simple that the Clintons would be a value add to the Obama candidacy. Thank goodness that the Clintons are finally toast. And if Obama is elected what a contrast to the Clintons’ presidency with its nonsense and irresponsibility. Bye Bye Clintons and their tall tales and fairy tales. Welcome a Democratic Party resurgence.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really is apalling that JH sees it as simple that the Clintons would be a value add to the Obama candidacy. Thank goodness that the Clintons are finally toast. And if Obama is elected what a contrast to the Clintons’ presidency with its nonsense and irresponsibility. Bye Bye Clintons and their tall tales and fairy tales. Welcome a Democratic Party resurgence.</p>
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		<title>By: Mauimom</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/29/its-palin/#comment-1605591</link>
		<dc:creator>Mauimom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Looks to me like Palin is McCain’s attempt to woo the Evangelical/”Family Values” crowd.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;She has a baby with Down Syndrome, which means she probably didn’t get tested and clearly didn’t abort.  That will play big with those folks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks to me like Palin is McCain’s attempt to woo the Evangelical/”Family Values” crowd.  </p>
<p>She has a baby with Down Syndrome, which means she probably didn’t get tested and clearly didn’t abort.  That will play big with those folks.</p>
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		<title>By: CitizenE</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/29/its-palin/#comment-1605539</link>
		<dc:creator>CitizenE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nonetheless Dems tend not to pay attention to the west, which has a libertarian and rural as well as openminded and progressive streak.  Not enough was made of Governor Schweitzer at the convention who was far more exciting and just plain smart than Warner who preceded him with the only truly ho hum address in the convention.  Colorado, Nevada, Montana, New Mexico.&lt;br /&gt;
And “esperience” is not going to be as big an issue in this election because Obama is making an extraordinary case that some people have the stuff to be leaders of people, and others no matter how well experienced never will, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Palin does so also.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Given his choices, I think McCain, whom I despise, has made a good one, far better than Romney, Huckabee, Jindal, or Pawlenty would have been.  The bigger spin Dems need to put on this is: look, even John McCain has to listen to what Obama and the Democratic party rank and file are saying: youth, women, fresh perspectives–McCain follows but the Democrats and Obama lead.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nonetheless Dems tend not to pay attention to the west, which has a libertarian and rural as well as openminded and progressive streak.  Not enough was made of Governor Schweitzer at the convention who was far more exciting and just plain smart than Warner who preceded him with the only truly ho hum address in the convention.  Colorado, Nevada, Montana, New Mexico.<br />
And “esperience” is not going to be as big an issue in this election because Obama is making an extraordinary case that some people have the stuff to be leaders of people, and others no matter how well experienced never will, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Palin does so also.</p>
<p>Given his choices, I think McCain, whom I despise, has made a good one, far better than Romney, Huckabee, Jindal, or Pawlenty would have been.  The bigger spin Dems need to put on this is: look, even John McCain has to listen to what Obama and the Democratic party rank and file are saying: youth, women, fresh perspectives–McCain follows but the Democrats and Obama lead.</p>
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		<title>By: FormerFed</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/29/its-palin/#comment-1605489</link>
		<dc:creator>FormerFed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jane,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why don’t you just give it up on the “why didn’t he pick Hillary” bit. It is OVER and every time you or someone like you brings it up, it just keeps the story alive that the MSM and the Repugs want. GET OVER IT. PLEASE&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane,</p>
<p>Why don’t you just give it up on the “why didn’t he pick Hillary” bit. It is OVER and every time you or someone like you brings it up, it just keeps the story alive that the MSM and the Repugs want. GET OVER IT. PLEASE</p>
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/29/its-palin/#comment-1605439</link>
		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And FWIW, what does that tell you that a Senator from Arizona as a Presidential candidate “needs” an inexperienced governor from Alaska in order to be competitive in the West?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Shouldn’t a Senator from Arizona have a leg up in the West and not need the “help?”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And FWIW, what does that tell you that a Senator from Arizona as a Presidential candidate “needs” an inexperienced governor from Alaska in order to be competitive in the West?</p>
<p>Shouldn’t a Senator from Arizona have a leg up in the West and not need the “help?”</p>
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		<title>By: CitizenE</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/29/its-palin/#comment-1605423</link>
		<dc:creator>CitizenE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;After vetting her a bit and seeing her, I think this was about as good a pick as McCain could have made:&lt;br /&gt;
Pro:&lt;br /&gt;
The American West–Democrats should take heed here;&lt;br /&gt;
In no way, shape, or form related to George Bush;&lt;br /&gt;
A DC outsider;&lt;br /&gt;
An American girl; an American story–much better really than McCain’s;&lt;br /&gt;
Even her so called scandal, even if it proves out, makes her look good;&lt;br /&gt;
It says something about McCain’s willingness to avoid being stale;&lt;br /&gt;
Photogenic–a younger “first lady” beauty queen model than his wife–Ms. Buffalo Chip (this one cuts both ways, but probably helps with younger voters, though I doubt those old pants suits gals will go for it).&lt;br /&gt;
Con:&lt;br /&gt;
Her McCain advocacy is the lame old same old–the nation needs more than a good soldier or a Maverick who can’t when push comes to shove stick to his guns on maverickism and getting elected;&lt;br /&gt;
OilCo pockets;&lt;br /&gt;
If the press and media does its work, ie asks her questions rather than expressing doubts, a big if, what will she have to say about foreign policy;&lt;br /&gt;
Previous comments about the Vice Presidency being unworthy of her consideration because (after Gore and Cheney–her adult lifetime) she didn’t think Veeps did much.&lt;br /&gt;
Utterly undercuts the idea of Obama not being ready, especially since Obama already seems at least as well versed and a bit smarter on foreign issues as McCain, and far more in touch on domestic issues than McCain will ever be.&lt;br /&gt;
Can she possibly compete with the sheer joy Biden brings.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After vetting her a bit and seeing her, I think this was about as good a pick as McCain could have made:<br />
Pro:<br />
The American West–Democrats should take heed here;<br />
In no way, shape, or form related to George Bush;<br />
A DC outsider;<br />
An American girl; an American story–much better really than McCain’s;<br />
Even her so called scandal, even if it proves out, makes her look good;<br />
It says something about McCain’s willingness to avoid being stale;<br />
Photogenic–a younger “first lady” beauty queen model than his wife–Ms. Buffalo Chip (this one cuts both ways, but probably helps with younger voters, though I doubt those old pants suits gals will go for it).<br />
Con:<br />
Her McCain advocacy is the lame old same old–the nation needs more than a good soldier or a Maverick who can’t when push comes to shove stick to his guns on maverickism and getting elected;<br />
OilCo pockets;<br />
If the press and media does its work, ie asks her questions rather than expressing doubts, a big if, what will she have to say about foreign policy;<br />
Previous comments about the Vice Presidency being unworthy of her consideration because (after Gore and Cheney–her adult lifetime) she didn’t think Veeps did much.<br />
Utterly undercuts the idea of Obama not being ready, especially since Obama already seems at least as well versed and a bit smarter on foreign issues as McCain, and far more in touch on domestic issues than McCain will ever be.<br />
Can she possibly compete with the sheer joy Biden brings.</p>
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