morning all

Dialogue in insider-speak means “lets study this and do nothing to actually solve it.”
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why yes ,the aristos know better

All signs in today’s world point to letting bygones be bygones. And the 21st century continuation of a Federal Police State complete with the data mining of all Americans’ data.

Great title to this post.

Reminds me of the many times I’ve called my Senators’ offices to ask for the position on a particular issue - only to be told, in several cases just minutes before a vote on that issue, that “the Senator has not yet indicated/decided what his vote will be.”

Disingenuous motherfuckers.

Inconceivable!

You got $$$’s, you can paricpate in the dialogue. Just ask AT&T.

But our side will use these powers for good, not evil.

You;’re gonna hear it in barack’s speech tonight, too, I’m afraid. But look, if the Dems - or any other party at another time - win a big enough majority, as you say, fuck dialogue. Who needs dialogue if you have votes. If you don’t have votes, make the best deal you can (on most things) and come back another day. If the people don’t like what you’ve done, you’re gone. it works Ok.

Maybe this is scarilege, but I’m actually getting sick of hearing about the American Dream. I get the point, already.

Bill Nelson on FISA?

spelling on sacrilege. I think I got it right this time. Spellin’ don’t count, does it?

Who better for CIC in the GWOT? Name one mofo who has more experience crashing planes into stuff than McCain? When it comes to fighting an enemy whose primary weapon is crashing planes into stuff, McCain is the MAN.

I get ill when I hear people use “dialog” as a very.

I have spoken to a number of people who have been watching the C-SPAN coverage in preference to the McCainStream Media. Sick of the idiocy, I guess.

The word disenfranchised will likely get some play tonight. Americans want a President who will reach out to those less fortunate - to the disenfranchised in our society. The single moms working two jobs with no health insurance…the fighting keyboard commandos pressed to eating generic brand cheetos in their mothers’ basements…

Country club politics. When many of us Americans opposed warrantless wiretapping and telcom amnesy, Club congresscritter just backroomed us. Steny Hoyer, Pelosi . . .
The majority of us want universal healthcare. doctors as well. so what keeps congresscritters waiting? (that is sort of a rhetorical question)
And the list goes on.

Bill Nelson on FISA?

Actually, Bayh and Lugar on FISA, and on every other single issue.

I have NEVER gotten a straight answer from either office on any issue.

But I *do* get really nice follow-up form letters.

Not that I bother to open them any more….

Ouch!

nope, intent does.

: )

What do single moms have to do with Keyboard Commandos?

You guys don’t understand the spirit of compromise. It works like this. If I say 2 + 2 = 4 and the Republicans and Blue Dogs with their corporate backers say it is 22, then we compromise and say it’s 25. Further questions? Ask Pelosi, Hoyer, and Reid.

Like the proverbial bull in a china shop. The Republicans got one thing right in 2000. John McCain is too f**king crazy to be President.

Did you forget the snark mark?

That and CSpan covers the whole convention. For example, MSNBC didn’t cover Kerry’s speech, at least not the whole thing. I read here that he was speaking and switched back over to CSpan. Anyone watching CNN or MSNBC would have missed some excellent speeches. And, we really don’t need the talking heads to explain the speeches, do we?

that about sums it up.

That’s an argument I haven’t seen advanced before; Look how bad Bush turned out. Do we really want to elect the guy who came second to him in 2000?

I have been ticked at “the fact of the matter”

The last straw for me is that bastard on MSGOP saying the Clintons would vote for McCrazy. Is Michael Moore going to be commenting gavel to gavel on the puke convention? Sickening…

They represent polar extremes of disenfranchised folks. There’s another annoying word - folks.

PBS coverage consisted of Jim Lehrer, Gwenn Ifill and some other fill-in-the-blanks talking heads for about 15 minutes. Then a speech. Then another fifteen minutes of clusterf*cking, and so on, so on and soforth.
Okay, so maybe that is an exaggeration. But it seems I missed a lot of the convention through PBS’coverage.

What’s that?

In the too little, too late category, the use of “impact” as a verb bothers me.

Unfortunately, that train seems to have left the station, and it ain’t coming back.

The “American Dream” is dead. Democracy cannot co-exist with Aristocracy, and Aristocracy has won.

The evidence? Son of Timmeh’s shiny new gig.

What annoys you about the word folks?

Right now they’re talking about the Vanity Fair party tonight. It’s Hollywood in the Mile High City!

yeah it impacts me too when used as a verb, irritating.

Ahh. I have no problem with folks, though. That word annoys you?

What wingnut said that about the Clintons?

BTW current (and I stress current) projections indicate Gustav will make landfall sometime Tuesday morning just to the west of New Orleans. This is not good news since Northern Hemisphere hurricanes rotate counterclockwise this means that a lot of wind and moisture will come in directly from over the Gulf pounding the city.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refres.....y#contents

Lilly Ledbetter, seen on CSPAN, was awesome. The MSM does not want people to get her message. If what she said really reached the masses, no Republican would ever get elected.

How about “My Friends”? I hate that, particularly from Wet Start Johnny.

You are not my f*cking friend.

Ooh Vanity fair! Luv the lifestyles of the rich and famous. And the creme de la creme that consists partly of Christopher Hitchens.
Vanity Fair belongs to another era. Don’t ask me which one.

And Dennis Kucinich’s speech too. Nowhere but cspan. If anyone missed it, go see it. The theme: “Wake Up America”. Everyone was going nuts. And, it not only wasn’t aired but the talking heads were all blathering about there not being any criticism of the repubs. I was screaming at the tv that if they’d shut up and listen to the speeches they’d find plenty of criticism. They just prevented Americans from being exposed to it.

And, just out of curiousity, who thinks Olberman is becoming an obnoxious jerk?

Holy Joe used to use “Dear Friend” in his form letters. You don’t know how squeamish that made me feel when I received one of his “replies.”

sorry to say that is one IN curious bot

I wish Democrats would talk about John McCain’s role in the decriminalization of war crimes, specifically his efforts in the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 and the Military Commissions Act of 2006. They won’t of course, since too many democrats voted for both.

‘Disrespected’ bothers me.

son of timmeh–was he the one on yesterday morning talking about running into a classmate from exeter? and they jumped all over it, the one they were giving a hard time cuz he said how early he had to get up???????

tucker look-alike?

Perhaps some of us should come up with the so-called alterna clips, for all to see. Kucinich, Ledbetter. .. .I missed those. Should we call it the alterna Dem Convention (as opposed to MSM’s Dem Convention)?

TDS went after them yesterday (we were at the taping, yay!)and I would hope Olbermann is self-aware to listen to the criticism.

one that doesn’t exist in real life, so, it’s perpetual…..

eek dont forget they have JEBBIES pumps

http://www.usatoday.com/news/n.....umps_N.htm

I started losing the big love for KO a while ago.
And, any real political junkie will watch CSPAN for their information. Last evening, there were quite a few comments here ripping the main stream cablers, and some comments kept reminding “folks” about CSPAN, to no avail. Maybe some people just like to complain.
Can I hear an amen, sister?
My favorite FDL comment yesterday came from Raven: well, la de da. (((Raven))) You rock dood.

Folks, the fact of the matter is that bipartisanship impacts the dialogue we need for political compromise.

enough. Self-aware enough.

Okay so where is Selise?

the great proportion of the members of a people that determines the group character and that tends to preserve its characteristic form of civilization and its customs, arts and crafts, legends, traditions, and superstitions from generation to generation
3plural : a certain kind, class, or group of people

Maybe its just me. Limbaugh uses the word a lot. “Now folks, I don’t know about you…”

Often the word folks will be found when you are about to be bamboozled. Step right up folks!

Amen sister
CSPAN CSPAN CSPAN

Like Vanity Fair-Alternative World of the Fabulously Wealthy, gush, Powerful, gush and more gush?

I don’t know his name, it was last night.

I don’t want a f*cking “dialog” either. I want a f*cking ROLLBACK. I want a ROLLBACK of the tax cuts for the rich and corporations. I want a ROLLBACK of “free trade” laws and agreements to make them fair trade laws and agreements. I want a ROLLBACK of military spending and a ROLLBACK of military bases throughout the world. I want a ROLLBACK of NATO (and even its dissolution - it has no purpose unless it creates one by willfully reigniting a Cold War with Russia to justify itself). I want a ROLLBACK of EVERYTHING that Bush/Cheney has done.

Here’s your dialog: shut the f*ck up and rollback the full gamut of crap that has rained on us for the last 8+ years.

Well, my own pet peeves are faddish words and phrases, like pivot and thrown under the bus, as well as unnecessary “cool” inventions, like post rational, and pro active. Unfortunately, Rachel Maddow likes them.

Kucinich’s speech is currently available at Information Clearinghouse.

He is out of his element and trying not to be snarky

Okay folks, that’s enough. (Teacher, professor)

Very good, Hugh.
Flashback to junior high, or maybe elementary school wherein we had to write a paragraph using all of the words on the vocabulary list.
Thanks for that momentary travel back through time. :)

This is off-topic but was mentioned in previous thread. Why hasn’t Novak been arrested. He comes out with the news that he has a brain tumor so all is forgiven? I kept thinking that the police were getting all the t’s crossed before arresting him. But, surely, they’ve had enough time by now. So, what’s the story?

one good place to look for speeches is cspan’s convention hub

Me.

The drainage-canal pumps were custom-designed and built under a $26.6 million contract awarded after competitive bidding to Moving Water Industries Corp. of Deerfield Beach, Fla. It was founded in 1926 and supplies flood-control and irrigation pumps all over the world.

MWI is owned by J. David Eller and his sons. Eller was once a business partner of former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush in a venture called Bush-El that marketed MWI pumps. And Eller has donated about $128,000 to politicians, the vast majority of it to the Republican Party, since 1996, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

MWI has run into trouble before. The U.S. Justice Department sued the company in 2002, accusing it of fraudulently helping Nigeria obtain $74 million in taxpayer-backed loans for overpriced and unnecessary water-pump equipment. The case has yet to be resolved.

Because of the trouble with the New Orleans pumps, the Corps has withheld 20% of the MWI contract, including an incentive of up to $4 million that the company could have collected if it delivered the equipment in time for the 2006 hurricane season.

Misgivings about the pumps were chronicled in a May 2006 memo provided to the AP by Matt McBride, a mechanical engineer and flooded-out Katrina victim who, like many in New Orleans, has been closely watching the rebuilding of the city’s flood defenses.

The memo was written by Maria Garzino, a Corps mechanical engineer overseeing quality assurance at an MWI test site in Florida. The Corps confirmed the authenticity of the 72-page memo, which details many of the mechanical problems and criticizes the testing procedures used.
…NOLA PUMPS and JEBBIE
About a dozen of the 34 pumps on order were already in place in New Orleans when Garzino wrote her report, according to Bedey.

In her memo, Garzino told corps officials that the equipment being installed was defective. She warned that the pumps would break down “should they be tasked to run, under normal use, as would be required in the event of a hurricane.”

MURPHY….paid shill

who thinks Olberman is becoming an obnoxious jerk?

I second that.

C-span is the only place to be. Of course the addiction quickly sets in. Symptopms are lack of sleep, getting up early to watch Washington Journal, starting to call in to them…

Ding, ding, ef’ing DING!

http://www.politico.com/news/s.....12900.html

Politico via MediaBistro on MSNBC’s YouTube-friendly shenanigans. I have no doubt their coverage will be a lot more reverent at their bosses’ convention next week.

“state of the art”….”epiphany”….paradigm shift

When you said Deerfield Beach, Florida, I knew Jebbie would not be far. They just suck up the money and their shit never works and they walk away after a dialogue or a sternly worded letter.

with prison terms and RICO act return of assets

I want to know why “problems” became “issues.”

yup…all intertwined with AshBritt and Haley Barbour
FIVE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR GIVE away

I’m trying to think of somewhere in Denver which is swanky enough for the Gilded Ones. Certainly not Mayor Hickenlooper’s pool hall;

http://www.wynkoop.com/

Republicans have their priorities. Save a city or buy a crony’s shoddy equipment? Hmmm. I’ll take door number two.

Money dialogs.

A Coke for Elliot…

Perhaps an attempt at non-judgemental communication. Sort of like “classified” instead of “diagnosed” for autism disorders.

Another cspan viewer here. The other channels focus mainly on the very important pundits’ speeches to each other.
The slogan “McCain: More of the Same” isn’t very punchy, imo. It gives me a “well, duh” instead of a “hell, yeah” feeling. “Worse than Bush” has gotten a little worn. McCain is worse than the same & I wish someone clever could come up with a short, punchy soundbite conveying that fact.

I notice that a controversy has been brewing amongst the McCain/Rove/Lieberman folks. A news story talks about Rove calling Lieberman last week asking him to withdraw his name from VP consideration…and Lieberman says ‘no way!’. Then a press release last night says McCain has selected his VP running mate. Now, eleven minutes ago, this story saying that ‘no vp decision has been made’. Sounds like lots of confusion with the Republican ranks…

Dem convention 2008
Dennis Kucinich
Can’t find lilly ledbetter?
Anyone else the great MSM missed?

thanks, elliot, i had to wipe out my kucinich tab before i bookmarked it and just went looking and couldn’t find the page you just gave….looks like the one i had from earlier that someone (h/t) posted.

here’s another one of a different type–
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/

Morning All.. :)
Happy Day. Wow, a Black man (I know, I know half black/half white) is going to be President of the USA. Been a long road, but so very, very cool. YEAH!!!!
I missed the speeches last night :(. I tried the CSPAN site but they wouldn’t work for me, so suggestions please.

I want to know why “problems” became “issues.”

Because a problem you might have to do something about but an issue can be talked about forever.

McCain; So bad he came second to Bush.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
NOLA the great money caper

http://www.corporatepolicy.org/topics/katrina.htm

Hello, Crosstimbers, i have to chuckle - at work, two new additions to our team have been hired in India (i’m doing data analysis and illustration) and our manager, in our conference calls, insists on using very obscure phrases. i’m writing them down and will do a dictionary for these poor guys.
‘We’re going after the low hanging fruit.’
‘Let’s put a stake in the ground…’
‘I don’t have any bandwidth today.’

and that is that….bada bing

ps…get paid outrageous sums of money to TALK IT TO DEATH

ahhhhh, i can offer ‘info’ on that…

corporate ‘pc’ness.

‘problem’ has negative a connotation.
‘issue’ is neutral language, better used to solve ‘problem’…..

first appeared in my world in the 80’s at the telco.

actually came up in meetings with ‘folks’……

Kucinich: This one’s for you Stephanie.
Did he dedicate dedicate his speech to Stephanie Tubb Jones? If so, that’s lovely.

McCain made his decision last night and forgot what he decided so had to start over

Yes, I really hated paradigm shift, because in college I had come the think I was pretty bright because I understood frame of reference and used it ten or twelve times a day. I withold judgement on epiphany until I have one.

Another great insight of yours.

shoot i meant to say —

i can offer ‘insight’ to that issue…..heh/

BWAHAHAhahahahahahahahahahahahaha
so desperate they will ENLIST(pay humongous sums of money)….to the finger in the wind…..shortride..its all about me ORACLE
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
the smell of desperation

ahh thanks

so in the future, “let’s have a dialogue on this issue” a progressive needs to answer;

“no, let’s solve the issue”

last night colbert showed a clip when she played ‘judge tubbs’ in a skit with him…..see if you can catch the rerun…..was great.

Yep. See my #83.
I actually enjoy dialogue here, but this must be a monologue morning for me, so I’ll just go make breakfast or something.

in a time frame that is in my lifetime

Seems like the crowd went wild for Kucinich’s Wake Up speech.

McCain made his decision last night and forgot what he decided so had to start over

Should we all call and congratulate him on his choice of JoeLie as his Veep choice?

(he *might* go for it)(not the sharpest tool, brightest bulb, etc.)

and i made fun of ‘insight’ because that word used to mean actual thought and wisdom went into what was being offered, now it just means someone’s off-the-cuff opinion.

Olbermann has become Poppa Keith. He’s been coaching Rachel Maddow. He has taken her under his wing. Maybe that will be the best thing he has done. Everybody loves her. She is teh awesome. Maddow had a bit of a stumble last night. Racist PukeCannon would not let her get a word in edgewise and Noron was letting Pukecannon ruin the dialogue on the poorly constructed badly mic’ed stage.

Maddow, in her attempt to politely defer to Noron as the alleged MC, lost her footing in the dialogue. Noron can’t handle Pukecannon. She needs to step down. Pat is a f**king pig.

Do you have a link handy?

That’s great! You may have hit on the answer to exporting jobs. We just don’t teach them the whole nine yards about idiom. I take back what I said. We need more new bullshit words, not less.

… & I wish someone clever could come up with a short, punchy soundbite conveying that fact.

In 2000 he was second best at 64 years of age, Now at 72, do you really think he has improved?

wasn’t pointing that at e and h…….i meant those who don’t do it.

According to Drudge (I know…) McCain may leak his VP pick at 6pm tonight with a confirmation at 8. Perfect timing to get buried.

Okay Kucinich’s speech–to my mind– surpasses all, even Al Sharpton’s speech at the last presidential convention.

HaHa**snort**hahaha

hold it WAIT

the most abused word…………………….PUNDIT

Nehru is twirling in his grave…”G”

no, are you on dial-up? if you are, i’ll go dig….google.

Pat Buchanon: “Cheney on steroids”

Seems like the crowd went wild for Kucinich’s Wake Up speech.

first bemused, then amused, finally enthused.

They should all be on Youtube.

sounds like a plan

i feel for them, tho, they are so earnest and so totally bewildered. They also keep emailing me as their pen pal.