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	<title>Comments on: Would-Be Obama Plotters: Everyone&#8217;s Eager To Minimize The Threat</title>
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		<title>By: wigwam</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/27/would-be-obama-plotters-everyones-eager-to-minimize-the-threat/#comment-1601467</link>
		<dc:creator>wigwam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The rifles also were supplied with scopes. That’s not exactly the sort of weaponry that “tweakers” might carry in a drug-deal. I doubt that they acquired those in some “drug-addled” state and that these guys were just talking random stuff. That suggests planning.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Oh fucking shit!  This is bad, very, very bad.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The rifles also were supplied with scopes. That’s not exactly the sort of weaponry that “tweakers” might carry in a drug-deal. I doubt that they acquired those in some “drug-addled” state and that these guys were just talking random stuff. That suggests planning.</p>
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<p><strong>Oh fucking shit!  This is bad, very, very bad.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The rifles also were supplied with scopes. That’s not exactly the sort of weaponry that “tweakers” might carry in a drug-deal. I doubt that they acquired those in some “drug-addled” state and that these guys were just talking random stuff. That suggests planning.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In addition Eid’s comments ring hollow, especially after he DID press Federal charges against an incarcerated Colorado prisoner who sent John McCain a letter that contained a powder that turned out to be harmless. Baby powder! Oh, all such mail out of the prison is screened…there is no way the guy would obtain anthrax or other harmful powder, and no way that it would have reached McCain.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/022335.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Muslim-named Convict Charged With Threat Upon McCain&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just how is that a “threat” made by a prisoner behind bars with baby-powder “realistic”, while the one made by a group of sniper-scope armed white-supremicists who are roaming the streets of Denver searching for Obama (they selected a hotel thinking that Obama might stay there)…a fantasy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Eid is a right-wing functionary.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://thenexthurrah.typepad.c....._on_w.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A member of Traurig’s ” Abramoff team”&lt;/a&gt;, appointed by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.progressnowaction.org/page/community/post_comment/ralphtrenary/CqRT/_/sDK5d&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Karl Rove&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
He’s the last person that should be protecting Obama…sort of like asking Musharaff to protect Bhutto.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rifles also were supplied with scopes. That’s not exactly the sort of weaponry that “tweakers” might carry in a drug-deal. I doubt that they acquired those in some “drug-addled” state and that these guys were just talking random stuff. That suggests planning.</p>
<p>In addition Eid’s comments ring hollow, especially after he DID press Federal charges against an incarcerated Colorado prisoner who sent John McCain a letter that contained a powder that turned out to be harmless. Baby powder! Oh, all such mail out of the prison is screened…there is no way the guy would obtain anthrax or other harmful powder, and no way that it would have reached McCain.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/022335.php" rel="nofollow">Muslim-named Convict Charged With Threat Upon McCain</a></p>
<p>Just how is that a “threat” made by a prisoner behind bars with baby-powder “realistic”, while the one made by a group of sniper-scope armed white-supremicists who are roaming the streets of Denver searching for Obama (they selected a hotel thinking that Obama might stay there)…a fantasy.</p>
<p>Eid is a right-wing functionary.  <a href="http://thenexthurrah.typepad.c....._on_w.html" rel="nofollow">A member of Traurig’s ” Abramoff team”</a>, appointed by <a href="http://www.progressnowaction.org/page/community/post_comment/ralphtrenary/CqRT/_/sDK5d" rel="nofollow">Karl Rove</a>.<br />
He’s the last person that should be protecting Obama…sort of like asking Musharaff to protect Bhutto.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/27/would-be-obama-plotters-everyones-eager-to-minimize-the-threat/#comment-1600218</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Troy Eid is a Bush tool. His appointment as a State AG was always controversial…a recommendation forced upon the Governor (who apparently thought he was too ideological). But Eid was a Republican party “rainmaker”. He once withdrew his nomination when the issue of conflicts of interest might arise with his wife, who Bush also appointed to the Federal Courts. But like Nosferatu, he returned from the grave.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I just wonder if the fact that Squeaky Fromm, or John Hinkley, Jr. used drugs and were “delusional” prior to their assassination attempts would handcuff Eid from acting if this were a REPUBLICAN candidate.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I suspect Eid has a dual standard…the outdated “Twinky defense” is okay if the act or attempt involves an attack on a Democratic candidate? The law apparently only is applied to members of the “correct” party. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I recall that psychologists defended Dan White arguing that he was delusional and drug-impaired, as well. He was also filled with hate for Mayor Moscone and Supervisor Harvey Milk, and knew quite well that he was on a mission to kill them. The decision of “manslaughter” was widely assailed but efforts to change the law only occurred after a Republican President was nearly killed by a deranged, obsessive individual.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In fact, after the Hinkley assassination attempt on Reagan there were reforms of the Federal laws on the “insanity defense” which prevented a mere reference to a person being mentally ill being sufficient to serve as a defense. This was revised to allow only those cases where an individuals was incapacitated from understanding the consequences of ones actions.  (i.e. that the act was not intended to “kill” another individual).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s clear in this case that at least one of the individuals, despite their use of drugs, were well aware of an act represented being intended to kill Obama. The intent, motive and consequences were quite clear. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Would Eid have released a “Squeaky Fromm” if she had made such statements about McCain, and was toting about firearms? “Sorry! Have to wait until she puts the plan into effect- otherwise she’s simply a delusional, drug-using, religious cult member!”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Troy Eid is a Bush tool. His appointment as a State AG was always controversial…a recommendation forced upon the Governor (who apparently thought he was too ideological). But Eid was a Republican party “rainmaker”. He once withdrew his nomination when the issue of conflicts of interest might arise with his wife, who Bush also appointed to the Federal Courts. But like Nosferatu, he returned from the grave.</p>
<p>I just wonder if the fact that Squeaky Fromm, or John Hinkley, Jr. used drugs and were “delusional” prior to their assassination attempts would handcuff Eid from acting if this were a REPUBLICAN candidate.</p>
<p>I suspect Eid has a dual standard…the outdated “Twinky defense” is okay if the act or attempt involves an attack on a Democratic candidate? The law apparently only is applied to members of the “correct” party. </p>
<p>I recall that psychologists defended Dan White arguing that he was delusional and drug-impaired, as well. He was also filled with hate for Mayor Moscone and Supervisor Harvey Milk, and knew quite well that he was on a mission to kill them. The decision of “manslaughter” was widely assailed but efforts to change the law only occurred after a Republican President was nearly killed by a deranged, obsessive individual.</p>
<p>In fact, after the Hinkley assassination attempt on Reagan there were reforms of the Federal laws on the “insanity defense” which prevented a mere reference to a person being mentally ill being sufficient to serve as a defense. This was revised to allow only those cases where an individuals was incapacitated from understanding the consequences of ones actions.  (i.e. that the act was not intended to “kill” another individual).</p>
<p>It’s clear in this case that at least one of the individuals, despite their use of drugs, were well aware of an act represented being intended to kill Obama. The intent, motive and consequences were quite clear. </p>
<p>Would Eid have released a “Squeaky Fromm” if she had made such statements about McCain, and was toting about firearms? “Sorry! Have to wait until she puts the plan into effect- otherwise she’s simply a delusional, drug-using, religious cult member!”</p>
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		<title>By: ratfood</title>
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		<dc:creator>ratfood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Waccamaw, if you are still in the vicinity. I had ducked out for awhile and just saw your message.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Waccamaw, if you are still in the vicinity. I had ducked out for awhile and just saw your message.</p>
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		<title>By: tjbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>tjbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;40 grams of meth, these boys were wound tight. That’s about 1 1/2 ounces, that much can pretty much turn you into superman. You know aiming that rifle, popping  off a round, making a new reality while totally paranoid,cool.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>40 grams of meth, these boys were wound tight. That’s about 1 1/2 ounces, that much can pretty much turn you into superman. You know aiming that rifle, popping  off a round, making a new reality while totally paranoid,cool.</p>
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		<title>By: plunger</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/27/would-be-obama-plotters-everyones-eager-to-minimize-the-threat/#comment-1600181</link>
		<dc:creator>plunger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for that link.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that link.</p>
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		<title>By: jimbo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/27/would-be-obama-plotters-everyones-eager-to-minimize-the-threat/#comment-1600174</link>
		<dc:creator>jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What’s all the uproar about?  Just think if Hillary had won over obama, what she would have to have endured.  And it wouldn’t have been from just the right wing crazies.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What’s all the uproar about?  Just think if Hillary had won over obama, what she would have to have endured.  And it wouldn’t have been from just the right wing crazies.</p>
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		<title>By: Arbusto</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/27/would-be-obama-plotters-everyones-eager-to-minimize-the-threat/#comment-1600173</link>
		<dc:creator>Arbusto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I wonder if the AG the Cops Secret Service and DoJ are telling the Boys to lawyer up and shut up, ’cause they want this to go away.  Heavens that a full investigation into their background, friends and alliances could be at all useful!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if the AG the Cops Secret Service and DoJ are telling the Boys to lawyer up and shut up, ’cause they want this to go away.  Heavens that a full investigation into their background, friends and alliances could be at all useful!</p>
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		<title>By: ThingsComeUndone</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/27/would-be-obama-plotters-everyones-eager-to-minimize-the-threat/#comment-1600165</link>
		<dc:creator>ThingsComeUndone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dang I would have liked to link them directly to the Mainstream Right Wing Media. Still what radio stations were the vehicle they were in presets set to?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang I would have liked to link them directly to the Mainstream Right Wing Media. Still what radio stations were the vehicle they were in presets set to?</p>
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		<title>By: cbl2</title>
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		<dc:creator>cbl2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;here’s link on Cheney  staffer being in Georgia before incursion&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/26/why-was-cheney-aide-in-georgia-before-the-conflict/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;thinkprogress&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here’s link on Cheney  staffer being in Georgia before incursion</p>
<p><a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/26/why-was-cheney-aide-in-georgia-before-the-conflict/" rel="nofollow">thinkprogress</a></p>
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