Zed…even after reading?

es! sly!

Stand!

Wow. Not as happy as I should be, given the Convention…I was all so goin’ with it, digging what Biden was saying…and then he says, “We’re going to hold Russia accountable.”…and I suddenly felt like a deflated balloon. Would someone tell me why we, both parties, have decided that re-starting the Cold War is a good idea?

OMG! Me too! He went off like a rabid Lieberman.

Ah, so I should have paid attention to that nagging voice in my mind saying “Russia? Eh? WTF?”.
Politics. Can’t live with it…can’t shoot myself…

FunnyD

Insert BushCo for Russia and he would have had an audience on their feet.
I am going to go completely off if they let those motherfuckers walk away.

Hey there FunnyD.

Sounded to me like Biden promised to go to war with everyone, exept Iran.. we can just talk with Iran.

And several folks didn’t just say “Where’s Osama?” They skipped that altogether and said we’re going to hunt him down. (in so many words)

In my mind, Eastern Europe is in a dangerous place. Baker promises Gorbachev that we won’t expand NATO to Russia’s borders…and as soon as his government falls, we start doing just that. Now we’re trying to get Ukraine and Georgia, right on Russia’s doorstep, into NATO, and installing missile interceptors and air-defense assets in Poland and the Czech Republic-to which Russia has promised “100% chance of retaliation.”. We’re still in Turkey, Iraq, the ’stans, Japan of course..looking at a map, the obvious strategy is the encirclement of Russia-and they’re pissed, and tired of being disrespected. If I were in Georgia, Ukraine, or Crimea….I’d be sleeping lightly.

Hey people, hello?

I’m with you. They don’t get to just walk away…no way.

Senator Biden, let us remove the mote from our own eye…How about, “We’re going to hold the people that ordered lies to be told, that made up the lies, and who told the lies, that led the US into an unjust war accountable!”?

You’re right. Would have brought down the house.

Poor McCain, gets himself a way hip celebrity endorsement, only to find out it’s actually an Obama hand me down.

There’s a bit more backstory, though. A Democratic Party source tells me a representative for Daddy Yankee approached Obama’s Latino outreach staffers earlier this year about possibly endorsing Obama.

But he didn’t pass the vetting, and Obama’s aides said they weren’t interested in his support. So, apparently, he moved over to McCain.

Hi, Christine!

Biden was my senator.

Hi Chris, hi everyone.;)

Hey, ES
I kind of caught that. And the whole “eeeeeek, Iran’s trying to get da bomb!!!”–knocking W and beating that war drum in the same breath…yuk.

OTOH, after all the “omg, Biden’s gonna be such a snore, how’s he gonna follow Big Dog” buildup, I thought his speech was darn effective. I think us FDL “bubble” boyz n grrrlz are extra, extra attuned to those little “tells.”

FunnyD

Hi Chris.
Then you had it good for a time.

Cats with wings.

The slow wheels of justice exonerate accused witch, 225 years after execution.

the whole “eeeeeek, Iran’s trying to get da bomb!!!”

I’m sick of hearing this…The NIE, the consensus product of fifteen US intelligence agencies, says that Iran suspended their weapons program five years ago. So, Senator Biden, if you’re going to try and sell us that bullshit…you’re going to have to at least rise to the level of a humble bloger, and provide links or something to back up the accusation.

OK Pups the Digg IS open sorry for being so late with it. So make sure you Digg it and make up for lost time (:>))

“blogger”…

Preview is my friend.

Hiya Ron,
Just love this…

From a two year old article on the state of our economy and the direction that it has taken under Republican leadership!
The Great Wealth Transfer

Some of the best of the Shrill one. Thanks for the reminder.

Cat that wished it had wings.

I’m with you. I was also bummed that my radio commentators were dissing Kerry’s speech which I loved and I kept trying to complain by phone to the station. I LOVED his speech.

When Biden brought up Georgia i thought OY VEY. They are talking beyond us to the other side… walking on egg shells… must be foggy and fuzzy as if that is going to woo the McCainiacs and Repubs….. ugh. It is not a simple situation, but that shoot from the hip, follow McCain’s macho lead… how sad is this…. we gotta appeal to the patriarchal paradigm folk and walk across the faces of the true liberals, the partnership paradigm people. Flash of FISA. Flash of cowardly Dems in Congress.

Biden didn’t have to fudge it like that. Unspecific but echoing McCain.

I also thought that when Clinton said Biden was hitting it out of the park… it made his endorsement of Obama anti-climactic… Clinton that sly dog… but Obama got to say Hillary rocked the hall after Bill Clinton’s speech… so the quiet ego chess game goes on.

Loved the Schweitzer speech, too. But Kerry’s was best.

Greenwald hits the same old neo nuts on the issue of Russia.. Biden sounded just like them, imo.

Warnings to Russia from Joe Lieberman and Lindsey Graham

(updated below)
John McCain’s two most loyal supporters and most influential foreign policy advisers, Joe Lieberman and Lindsey Graham, have an Op-Ed in The Wall St. Journal today proclaiming that “Russia’s invasion of Georgia represents the most serious challenge to this political order since Slobodan Milosevic unleashed the demons of ethnic nationalism in the Balkans.” Just as their neoconservative comrade, Fred Hiatt, does in today’s Washington Post, Lieberman and Graham demand that the U.S. expend vast resources and assert itself both militarily and politically in order to thwart the New Russian Menace (”This means reinvigorating NATO as a military alliance, not just a political one . . . The credibility of Article Five of the NATO Charter — that an attack against one really can and will be treated as an attack against all — needs to be bolstered. . . .The Georgian military should be given the antiaircraft and antiarmor systems necessary to deter any renewed Russian aggression”).

SNIP -much more worth a read.

But Kerry’s was best.

Me, too.
And in which life would you ever have thought you would say that about a Kerry speech?

Ah. Chinese cats with wings. Wonder if they’re related to Archaeoraptors…

FunnyD
Poor ol’ tomcat with all the lady cats wantin’ to jump his bones…

Exactly. Why its magic when these guys lose the presidency. Look at Gore. Look at Kerry. Wow, the sadder but wiser men come down to earth and tell it honestly and passionately. Go figure.

Dude, no disrespect to you but I almost fell off the bed at this one,

“Warnings to Russia from Joe Lieberman and Lindsey Graham”

Don’t wear stripes with polka dots fella’s.

Couple of Snunches.

When Kerry went into McCain’s various position changes, made that comment about McCain debating himself, or something like that, and then capped it with: “…talk about voting for it before he voted against it!”

That took guts.

Ow, poor cat.

Listening to Kerry’s speech right now. Wow, i wish he could have unleashed this in 2004.

I’m trying ot find links to Bill’s speech and the Biden one too. Finished my DJ shift about 45 minutes ago and now planning catchup!

Dude, if I were Russia, I’d be putting anti-aircraft assets in Iran, and smuggling them into Iraq, just like we did to them in Afghanistan. Graham and Lieberman? You want to see the Russian steamroller roll over Georgia? Start sending them operational quantities of anti-air and anti-armor weapons.
You might as well just give them directly to Russia, ’cause that’s who will wind up with ‘em.

Hey I call John, Joe & Lindsey .. Larry, Moe and Curly. I don’t know what that makes Biden.. but I am not about to ignore it.

Pure electioneering . . . the cold war redoux is a neocon gambit, and it’s failed MIGHTILY, so far, WRT to Georgia.

Don’t be fooled again . . . just elect the dem . . then we can hold feet to fire.

Life is simple, don’t fuck it up!!! *G*

This was in the news box earlier.

U.S. military ship avoids tense Georgian port

Published: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/50865.html

BATUMI, Georgia — Avoiding a potential confrontation with Moscow, a U.S. Coast Guard cutter ferrying humanitarian aid to Georgia steered away from the Russian-patrolled port of Poti on Wednesday and docked in this quieter southern harbor instead.

The U.S. decision came as Russia sent a naval task force armed with anti-ship and anti-aircraft missiles into the waters off of Abkhazia on Wednesday on a “peace and stability” mission, the Russian Itar-Tass news agency reported.

Biden

Bubba

I was going to add.. Coast Guard cutter??? And humanitarian aid my DFH tye died arse.

Having trouble with computer tonight on this thread.

Yeah, Kerry was great. I got the feeling he was punching out at McCain, Bush, Rove…. he was getting some of his own back saying all that and he was clear and relentless … and it did illulminate how the Dems are pulling their punches. WHY??? Kerry wasn’t pulling any punches. He should write all their speeches.

Finally somebody, specifically Joe Biden, used the word “torture,” but very gingerly, at the DNC. That’s a start, but now I want to hear “war crimes” — DFHs are never satisfied.

Hunting down OBLiden is not a bad thing.

The rest is negotiable, and Obama WILL netogiate . . . and be successful.

You folks need to calm down about all this percieved PRO WAR rhetoric you think you see behind the Oz Curtain.

Let the guy get elected, with his VP, and THEN, they get 100 days . . . and then, we hold feet to fire.

ENOUGH WITH THE CRAP THERE’S AN ELECTION TO WIN!!!

Norske?? Please? Flame some, will ya?

I got a fest to go to at 04:30 for a few daze so I can get insane before I get loco to stay sane . . .

www.strawberrymusic.com

Y’all take care of each other . . . and leave Obama/Biden alone . . . they’ll deliver a win if ya don’t fuck it up.

Anything less than a win, and we ALL fucked.

Now herd up, and fall in line ya danged progressives!!! *G*

IIRC, there were multiple Curly’s.

Biden gets no pass from me, I am pretty much done with every fucking bit of this farce. The whole process flat out ignores you and me.
When they flaunt the buy offs and call the cops to haul off anyone trying to point them out?
Insert well known Busted phrase here.
Every bit of this is crooked and I don’t give a shit who wants to argue that fact.

Uh…did you miss Kerry’s barn burner? He hit the torture point pretty hard, iirc!

FunnyD

Don’t be fooled again
Just elect the Dem.

I like that!

if I may be so bold to dissent:
After watching the major speech videos: Michelle Obama, Gov of Montana, The Senator from Iowa? and his republican friend who gave a strong speech against the neocon policies of Bush/McCain, Hillary, Bill Clinton and Joe Biden.
I see Dean’s hand at the strategy helm with an aganda and a political map to the November election success. Every speech was delivered with stunning pace and emotionalizing not missing a beat. Beautifully done and throughout the thread, getting people back to work with equal pay, medical care for all, renewable energy that will create millions of good jobs, bringing the American dream back to everyone, respect abroad and strong economy. Diplomacy was also acentuated clearly about preemptive strikes.
I was favorably impressed by the convention. I noted that Biden made it clear McCain is a friend who is wrong on policy: he then went down a long list of where McCain is wrong and Obama is/was right.
It is to early to hit the panic button. The Dems are out in front this time on famiily value, patriotism, supporting the troops all the weak points that they were on the defensive they have taken the offense on. Good strategy!!!!

Yeah, the guy was listing the supplies. Energy bars, diapers, … I don’t know but the list sounded a bit pathetic and cover up.

I am so tired of letting the sheeple lead. Clinton had his moments, but that peripheral vision was always on the polls. Don’t bring up homelessness… we will panic the other side. Honor the liberal values you can tiptoe through with, forget the others.

Feet to fire later? Some columnist on the radio said the Dems promise to pick up its soul at the pawn shop AFTER the election.

Kerry went after torture. I thought of you.

hey larue - i really enjoying reading your food post over at the beach house - got any more coming?

Wholehearted agreement there.. At least we are slipping our Edwards and Graysons in. If it weren’t for that I might not be Standing.

Yep. That kind of fire in 2004 and who knows where we’d be…
But he has nothing to lose now.
So endeth the lesson for Democrats.

I missed Kerry’s talk, but what people told me was exactly what you’re saying. Meanwhile, I was rather disappointed with Biden’s talk. IMHO, he should have done better.

Bill clinton was pretty good, but even he was capable of better.

Watch next week and see what a real attack looks like.

And homeless veterans, iirc. I was glad to hear that in so many words in prime time.

FunnyD

We are ‘told’ that the Obama staff manhandled Biden’s speech pretty heavily, and that may account for the stilted delivery.

ENOUGH WITH THE CRAP THERE’S AN ELECTION TO WIN!!!

Too late. We bought that shit in 2006. Sorry.

Thanks. I was expecting much better from Biden, and that would explain it.

Yeah, I liked that. Duckworth spoke on that! She was good and socking it to McCain and company about Vets rights. She would run for Obama’s senate seat I think.

I’m being purposely vague about it, because I believe I heard it being discussed between Tweety and KO. Who knows where that tidbit came from…

I missed Kerry, but Biden at least uttered the word. I’ll have to watch the Youtube of Kerry — where was the fire when we needed it?

ok, pups, time for me to head off. g’nite all

Hey I liked that pep talk keep it up!! We need to be told to do things sometimes if just to remind us of the bigger picture. We cannot tolerate a
McCain administration!
So as Laure says WE have an Election to WIN So do your part to help our team win!

Someone was spreading the rumor that, if Obama gets elected, the governor will appoint her to his seat.

But But the Dems are taking the high road and maybe many will see the dirty tactics the Rethugs take and punish them for their behavior… Or at least I hope they do!!

Whoa nelly.. Take google search on Duckworth over at downwithtyranny before you make a firm decision, por favor.

She’s a total Blue Dog in the making, imo. Just ask Rahm Emmanuel.

Yeah, I agree with you on Biden and Clinton. Biden was up close and dynamic with his personal life and then he faded back it felt like on some of the issues. And then overgeneralized throwing in provocative Russia intimation. Oy vey.

And Clinton was charming and good enough… but no personal energy for Obama. I guess he did well considering his strong feelings about wifey.

I was hearing on radio so I missed the more sentimental images I guess, with family appearing, etc. We are family was pushing it hard. Not that subtle, huh?

Yep. The idea that I’m going to clap and cheer loud enough to drown out the truth-that Bush, Cheney, Obama, and Biden are marching in lockstep with regards to provoking Russia, for no real strategic reason-ain’t gonna happen. I’m not going to feel more inclined to go to war with Russia just because a Democrat starts it.

Busted, Life Is Crooked.

From day one of the caveman and cavewoman.

Some are more crooked than others . . .

This is not about crooked . .

There’s a chance for better than what we’ve had.

There’s a chance for prosecuting folks.

There’s a chance for repealing some Executive Signings.

There’s a chance of nationalizing some institutions to save our economy, jump start DOMESTIC JOBS, and reinstill the values of a middle class and greater opportunity for all . . . all the while maybe bringing back the constitution, naming some Supreme’s (may HRC get the first slot), saving Roe v. Wade, preserving Brown v Board of Ed and ensuring that science and evolution rules our academe’s instead of the Biblical Flood Carved Teh Grand Canyon.

And don’t GET me started on voting issues for blacks, browns, and native american’s . . . and the disenfranchised, the disabled, the poor and all others blocked from voting somehow cuz the GOP rigged it and polluted the Supreme’s, the AG, the DOJ, and all OTHER offices and departments of our government.

Busted, don’t you DARE fall lame ass off on the ‘they’re all crooked’ meme . .

Don’t you dare.

You pick yer ass up off the trailer floor, and you get some spine and you get in the game and pretend like your life, and everyone else’s lives depend on it.

Cuz that’s the stakes, hoss.

STAND UP!!! NOW!!!

Geebuz, I need to sleep . . I got some festing to do . . . but dammit Busted, MAN UP YA PUTZ!!!!

THINGS ARE GOOD AND YOU NEED TO STOP DROWNING IN YOUR ANGST!!!!

This is the time, it’s a cornerstone in history.
It’s deciding time.

This is history, at yer fuckin fingertips . . . crossroads.
Crux.

Do, or get done. But WAKE UP! STAND UP!!! *G*

I’m gone . . . fest fun fans my flames . . .*G*

nite suz

Gnite Suzanne, Time fer me to go Thud too.
Sorry fer being so negative folks but it sickens me to see what has happened to any form of dissent in this country.
Not mine.

Goodnight, Suzanne. I’m headed that way also.

Goodnight, all. The best of all possible tomorrows to you all.

I’m old enough to think that if the Democrats fuck it up again, then we are all done for. Get it together — save your own damned self. If you think McCain is on your side, then get right on with trashing the Dems. It’s simple really.

Thanks for the caution. One speech does not a progressive make, eh? Guess I got caught up in the koolaid sharing myself. Will explore.

‘night, Busted.

G’ nite Suz and g’ nite Busted, thanks for Standing.

She’s great on Vet issues, not much else, iirc.

Only Patriots get exorcised about this stuff. You are one.
get some sleep

nite RonD

{{{{{{SUZ}}}} *G*

Yep, and music, too . . post festing.

Now, like Da Spook, I really REALLY need to go *poof* and nitey.

Thanks for the props . . . 4 Day Chili Verde is next.

Then, a discourse of cooking, foods, utensils, stories in the biz, and recipes.

And music, galore . . . primers one and all, boring for the in crowd that knows it.

But it’s MY story. And Da Spook and Da Betsy give me a place . . . to tell it.

Now, it’s off to festing . . . . one time, you GOTTA make this one.

www.strawberrymusic.com

One. Time. Ya gotta make it.

Camp space will be held for your bio/carbon imprint at HowdyVille. *G*

*snoozzzzzzzz*

Repubs: more war; forced birth (you’re 10 years old and your daddy fucked you — give birth — god wants that); oligarchy to the max; ecology — screw that!; tax the poor so the rich can promote capitalism. And so forth. I could go on, but why?

nite larue

Hey, Kucinich was up there cheering them all on. Yeah, I see the need.

Pragmatism is important, but so is moral menschness.

There is a danger of being so strategic, and looking to the followers as to where they most probably want to be led … that is a recipe for … well… where we are today.

IMHO….

Dither, if you will, over who said what. Great speakers spoke to you. The Democratic Party is not perfect — for sure! But the alternative is entirely grim. Grow up and take charge.

Hmmmm . . . what feets have YOU held to fire?

You gonna give it to the Pubs?

Go ahead, vote for the green, independent or McCain.

Go ahead. *G*

But please, on a so called progressive site, don’t be playing some kind of GOP regressive whine about what I believe in for this time around.

If you don’t get on board, then you can HAVE the repub’s you helped to enable.

And you can have the country they will deliver for you.

Have a nice life, I’m goin festing . . . unless there’s MORE jive I gotta contest . . . *G*

Don’t these fools get it? Everything our politicians say is self-satire, e.g., “In the 21st century, nations don’t invade nations.” That bullshit on behalf of Georgia who joined us in an unprovoked invasion of Iraq five years ago and had to bring their forces of occupation home from Iraq in a feeble attempt to intimidate the Russians — a mouse crawling up an elephants tail with rape on its mind.

Personally, I was pissed with the NPR reports on the speakers. I thought Kerry did well…. had he spoken with such energy in 2004 we might have had a different outcome. Hillary was good. Bill was good. The media is dissing some great stuff. I won’t fall into their nonsense. Now or never, I think.

Dude, we’re just blowing off steam. We’re on board here. All of us.

Larue, That had best be some awesome Chile Verde dude.

I haven’t had the television on anything but CSPAN this week.. reading what folks say about MSM in threads here is just forking horrifying. I don’t know how I ever watched them.

Not necessarily.. I mean i think we, in general, have the same goals, but I definitely do not agree with Larue today. Thank you very much.

FirePups: Eyes on the MSM, so Eureka Springs doesn’t have to.

Yes, Nader was wrong. Gore would have been light years better than Bush.

But Matt Drudge is leading the media narrative I recently read, and the media is leading the public. And the public estimated MAJORITY, the willfully ignorant quite often, is leading the party leadership. And that is pretty sad.

I wish I could get more warm and fuzzy about this election. I do want to fight McCain. Was an Edwards populist. Mourned for Edwards once. Mourned for Edwards twice. FISA hurt.

Very jaded about congressional corruption. Electoral college set up so candidates ignore bases and tap dance for swing states.

And fellow humans, so many, don’t seem to care about privacy, or torture, or hair-trigger war mongering, etc.

I do think Obama will win. I want to trust Obama. I want to trust that the Dems will turn the ship around.

I drove home from Santa Barbara this evening after caring for my daughter and her new babies in the NICU. I listened to Kerry speak and was well-pleased, and then the NPR analysts dissed him. I was disgusted. I don’t have words, and I couldn’t take notes while driving, but I was nonplussed, as it were. I don’t know what to say.

I was listening to wnyc… was that NPR.. I thought it was NY reporters. I was trying to call in to complain about the negativity at Kerry’s great speech!

Chris Bowers 13 hour old post…

Feeling Frustrated

I am feeling really frustrated today. I am sensing that something is wrong with this convention, and that there will be no bounce. I don’t know exactly what we need to do to get a bounce, but I do know that we haven’t done it yet.
Is it that the Democrats aren’t attacking McCain enough? Maybe, but they are attacking him some, and it is certainly an improvement on 2004. Also, it would be a terrible idea for Michelle Obama to personally deliver the negative.

SNIP

I do NOT think Obama will win. I think that the inherent racism in America will rise to the top. I think that people will sabotage their own better interests. I think that this hope will be trashed under a Rovian steemroller. I wish for better, but I don’t trust my own co-citizens. I hope I’m wrong.

Good night. Thanks for the exploration.

Listened to Kerry…he rattled the saber as well. He also hammered McCsin not as well as Biden. Biden needs to spend some time in the gym he has a spare tire to carry around. But gives an excellent speecch.
Missing Dodd what going on with our FISA fighter? And no Edwards?

Democrats eat their own.

BINGO!!!

Don’t need no stinkin Blue Dogs . . .

We can and WILL do better . . .

It will take a few erections, but if we don’t go to sleep like we did for The Contract On America for 30 years or more, then WE CAN DO IT!!!!

Damn you people are keeping me up when I shouldn’t be . . . ;-)

While I agree that racism will play some role in this election, I think it’s not written down just yet.

For what the Obama team pulled off in the primaries, Ive them a lot of credit, and I can’t believe that they don’t have some stuff up their sleeves.

G’ nite ll.. Thanks backatcha.

That’s like saying I should keep my mouth shut about the difference between Charles Manson and Jeffery Dalhmer!!!
Get it straight, the minute you stop going after these weasels you might as well join em.They are going to tell you everything you want to hear to get elected,whoever they are and sell your ass down the river the first chance they get.Who’s gonna stop them? you and all your flame throwin threats?

I will work for Obama. And I write my scary McCain-loving relatives in other states … and it is like talking to a wall … and I don’t want to face down racism or simply pig-headedness or machismo.

Anyway, hope you are wrong. I originally liked Edwards best, but I did factor in the lower depths of racism in this country.

We shall see. If the young ones stay committed they could help turn it around.

But… more wars with everybody.. makes the rest virtually impossible. We aren’t in an economic situation where a President Johnson/Obama can invade the heck out of SE Asia and still pass all the other legislation. Are we?

What killed me, really, is that NPR, of all stations, just seemed to trash all the speeches that I thought were so good. There should be a swelling of energy ….. but so much of the radio analysis was negative. I wanted to slap someone/manyones upside the head. but I’m busy….and whatever happens will happen. I’m tired of being totally impotent. Happy up America……you get what you get.

If you are going where I think you are going, then tell me this - Do you propose to simply pull out of Afghanistan?

G’nite. Thanks for the commentary - y’all are the best.