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	<title>Comments on: Happy 100th, President Johnson</title>
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		<title>By: Knut</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/27/happy-100th-president-johnson/#comment-1601847</link>
		<dc:creator>Knut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;LBJ and Kennedy were blackmailed by the McCarthy right.  I’m not going to forgive them for their cowardice, though I wonder how any of us would have stood up to right-wing attacks that despite McCarthy’s self-immolation, were still probably powerful enough to unseat a Democratic President.  Kennedy was going to have a very tough re-election run against the candidate most people thought he would face — Nelson Rockefeller.  That’s why he was already campaigning in Texas in the fall of 1963.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Vietnam war has put a kind of plexiglass barrier between the politics that went before, and what came after.  The baby boomers were just a few years to young to have lived through the McCarthy period.  It was terrible.  I had fine teachers whose careers were either ruined or hamstrung by the purges.  It was especially true of East Asian studies where people like John Fairbank, and Arthur and Mary Wright and others kept their heads down in the early 60s when the Vietnam business really got under way.  There was tremendous political pressure not to ‘lose’ Vietnam the way McCarthy said that Marshall and Acheson ‘lost’ China.  That charge was still potent in the early 60s, and that is the context in which Kennedy and Johnson let themselves be pulled into a fruitless war.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also cold warriors.  Walt Rostow was a great economic historian, but he probably bears as much responsibility for the disaster as anyone.  McGeorge Bundy ditto.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s a complicated history, but the bottom line is that the Democrats were blackmailed into doing the Republicans dirty work, and then got blamed for the inevitable failure.  Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LBJ and Kennedy were blackmailed by the McCarthy right.  I’m not going to forgive them for their cowardice, though I wonder how any of us would have stood up to right-wing attacks that despite McCarthy’s self-immolation, were still probably powerful enough to unseat a Democratic President.  Kennedy was going to have a very tough re-election run against the candidate most people thought he would face — Nelson Rockefeller.  That’s why he was already campaigning in Texas in the fall of 1963.</p>
<p>The Vietnam war has put a kind of plexiglass barrier between the politics that went before, and what came after.  The baby boomers were just a few years to young to have lived through the McCarthy period.  It was terrible.  I had fine teachers whose careers were either ruined or hamstrung by the purges.  It was especially true of East Asian studies where people like John Fairbank, and Arthur and Mary Wright and others kept their heads down in the early 60s when the Vietnam business really got under way.  There was tremendous political pressure not to ‘lose’ Vietnam the way McCarthy said that Marshall and Acheson ‘lost’ China.  That charge was still potent in the early 60s, and that is the context in which Kennedy and Johnson let themselves be pulled into a fruitless war.</p>
<p>Also cold warriors.  Walt Rostow was a great economic historian, but he probably bears as much responsibility for the disaster as anyone.  McGeorge Bundy ditto.</p>
<p>It’s a complicated history, but the bottom line is that the Democrats were blackmailed into doing the Republicans dirty work, and then got blamed for the inevitable failure.  Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose.</p>
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		<title>By: SeattleDan</title>
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		<dc:creator>SeattleDan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Johnson may have been the most tragic of Shakespearean Presidents. He could have done so much more. I honor him for what he did get done. But dishonor him for taking the bait in Viet Nam, where so many young lives were lost, and it was his fault. Sad, and sad still.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johnson may have been the most tragic of Shakespearean Presidents. He could have done so much more. I honor him for what he did get done. But dishonor him for taking the bait in Viet Nam, where so many young lives were lost, and it was his fault. Sad, and sad still.</p>
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		<title>By: wigwam</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/27/happy-100th-president-johnson/#comment-1601593</link>
		<dc:creator>wigwam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;I was never so happy as when LBJ announced that he wouldn’t run. Little did I know that we’d get Nixon and years more of war.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was a few years older, and shuddered at what would likely (and did) happen.  The horrors were roughly an order of magnitude greater than Iraq, both for our troops and for their victims.  And, like Iraq, it was a war of vanity.  Once the muslims did their slaughter in Indonesia, the domino theory was dead.  From then on, we we fighting only for “bragging rights.”  And, John McCain and his contemporaries haven’t got over their loss of bragging rights.  They lost to a bunch of under-equipped *****, and they’ll never get over it.  They are convinced that they were stabbed in the back and robbed of their hard-earned bragging rights by treasonous liberal politicians, who hate America.  And, to them, Iraq is their opportunity to redeem themeslves, but only if we don’t quit again.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Pardon me, while I puke.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;~~~ModNote: As contextually correct as certain terms may be, please keep them clear of here.~~~&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>I was never so happy as when LBJ announced that he wouldn’t run. Little did I know that we’d get Nixon and years more of war.</p>
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<p>I was a few years older, and shuddered at what would likely (and did) happen.  The horrors were roughly an order of magnitude greater than Iraq, both for our troops and for their victims.  And, like Iraq, it was a war of vanity.  Once the muslims did their slaughter in Indonesia, the domino theory was dead.  From then on, we we fighting only for “bragging rights.”  And, John McCain and his contemporaries haven’t got over their loss of bragging rights.  They lost to a bunch of under-equipped *****, and they’ll never get over it.  They are convinced that they were stabbed in the back and robbed of their hard-earned bragging rights by treasonous liberal politicians, who hate America.  And, to them, Iraq is their opportunity to redeem themeslves, but only if we don’t quit again.</p>
<p>Pardon me, while I puke.</p>
<p>~~~ModNote: As contextually correct as certain terms may be, please keep them clear of here.~~~</p>
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		<title>By: newtonusr</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/27/happy-100th-president-johnson/#comment-1601591</link>
		<dc:creator>newtonusr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;He also created the civil rights legislation that has guided growth in Civil Rights- and led to the gooper domination of the south.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You have to ask yourself - would you trade your political party for the civil rights movement?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>He also created the civil rights legislation that has guided growth in Civil Rights- and led to the gooper domination of the south.</p>
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<p>You have to ask yourself &#8211; would you trade your political party for the civil rights movement?</p>
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		<title>By: rwcole</title>
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		<dc:creator>rwcole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;LBJ engineered the dumbest war in our history prior to Bush. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He also created the civil rights legislation that has guided growth in Civil Rights- and led to the gooper domination of the south.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LBJ engineered the dumbest war in our history prior to Bush. </p>
<p>He also created the civil rights legislation that has guided growth in Civil Rights- and led to the gooper domination of the south.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;es has &lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/27/late-late-nite-fdl-pirate-dnc-radio-stand/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pirate radio upstairs&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>es has <a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/27/late-late-nite-fdl-pirate-dnc-radio-stand/" rel="nofollow">pirate radio upstairs</a></p>
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		<title>By: RonD</title>
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		<dc:creator>RonD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I mean…look at that list of accomplishments. One cannot look at that and not say, “This was a great man.” And he was. Then you look at those others-and say “that was a bad man.” And both are true! It’s always confused and conflicted me.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean…look at that list of accomplishments. One cannot look at that and not say, “This was a great man.” And he was. Then you look at those others-and say “that was a bad man.” And both are true! It’s always confused and conflicted me.</p>
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		<title>By: newtonusr</title>
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		<dc:creator>newtonusr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMP0S7dBUMA&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fun @ MSNBC&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMP0S7dBUMA" rel="nofollow">Fun @ MSNBC</a></p>
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		<title>By: ChristineEdmonson</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChristineEdmonson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 04:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hiya!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hiya!</p>
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		<title>By: MayDaze</title>
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		<dc:creator>MayDaze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 04:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I get that. I graduated in 1969, so I was really aware of LBJ’s faults -the possibility of becoming cannon fodder has a way of focusing the mind.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get that. I graduated in 1969, so I was really aware of LBJ’s faults -the possibility of becoming cannon fodder has a way of focusing the mind.</p>
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