Comments on: The Crazies Start Coming Out Of The Woodwork http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/26/the-crazies-start-coming-out-of-the-woodwork/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:54:25 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: spocko http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/26/the-crazies-start-coming-out-of-the-woodwork/#comment-1598336 spocko Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:56:47 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/26/the-crazies-start-coming-out-of-the-woodwork/#comment-1598336 <p>After the UU Church attacker who specifically said, “I hate liberals” was arrested and they found books by Hannity, O’Reilly and Savage in his room I remember thinking that still won’t be enough for the right wing to understand just who is driving this hate and division for fun and profit.</p> <p>I did a bunch of research on the FCC rules before I decided to go to the advertisers. I thought that the FCC actually cared about death threats over the broadcast airwaves. Turns out they really don’t. I even asked “our” commissioner about it (Copps) and he said that it would take a long time and hearing before congress before they did anything so that going to the advertisers was the right thing for me to do.</p> <p>I kept thinking that surely it is not okay to target people for attack on the public airwaves, but in Bush’s America I guess it is. When there are actually attacks and people say, “Nobody could have anticipated…” we can say. “Well we did, but you didn’t think it mattered, so now we want you to make it unprofitable to call for people’s death.” (I say that because what really hurts these people is lack of profits, not some rule that they will block with lobbyists and an appeal to the people who misunderstand the 1st Amendment and think it applies to all venues. Note: I am not the government. I can object to corporate sponsored calls for death of someone and it is NOT protected by the First Amendment.)</p> After the UU Church attacker who specifically said, “I hate liberals” was arrested and they found books by Hannity, O’Reilly and Savage in his room I remember thinking that still won’t be enough for the right wing to understand just who is driving this hate and division for fun and profit.

I did a bunch of research on the FCC rules before I decided to go to the advertisers. I thought that the FCC actually cared about death threats over the broadcast airwaves. Turns out they really don’t. I even asked “our” commissioner about it (Copps) and he said that it would take a long time and hearing before congress before they did anything so that going to the advertisers was the right thing for me to do.

I kept thinking that surely it is not okay to target people for attack on the public airwaves, but in Bush’s America I guess it is. When there are actually attacks and people say, “Nobody could have anticipated…” we can say. “Well we did, but you didn’t think it mattered, so now we want you to make it unprofitable to call for people’s death.” (I say that because what really hurts these people is lack of profits, not some rule that they will block with lobbyists and an appeal to the people who misunderstand the 1st Amendment and think it applies to all venues. Note: I am not the government. I can object to corporate sponsored calls for death of someone and it is NOT protected by the First Amendment.)

]]> By: Continuum http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/26/the-crazies-start-coming-out-of-the-woodwork/#comment-1598237 Continuum Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:27:39 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/26/the-crazies-start-coming-out-of-the-woodwork/#comment-1598237 <p>The FBI (Famous But Incompetent) says “just a bunch of crazies”. There’s no real danger.</p> <p>In the meantime, doesn’t the Secret Service sort of keep an eye on the crazies, because they’re the ones who actually do this kind of stuff.</p> <p>Maybe the FBI ought to ask the Secrect Service about what a viable threat really is.</p> The FBI (Famous But Incompetent) says “just a bunch of crazies”. There’s no real danger.

In the meantime, doesn’t the Secret Service sort of keep an eye on the crazies, because they’re the ones who actually do this kind of stuff.

Maybe the FBI ought to ask the Secrect Service about what a viable threat really is.

]]> By: cinnamonape http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/26/the-crazies-start-coming-out-of-the-woodwork/#comment-1598232 cinnamonape Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:22:01 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/26/the-crazies-start-coming-out-of-the-woodwork/#comment-1598232 <p>It would likely go back to the Central Committee and they would poll the Party Delegates. There is no set Constitutional procedure for selecting a candidate if the candidate dies or resigns after the convention. The VP is not automatically the Presidential “candidate”. The 25th Amendment only applies once the President is elected. In fact, under the 25th Amendment, it isn’t clear that the VP-in-waiting would take over until the swearing in occurs.</p> <p>ASFAIK neither case has ever actually happened.</p> It would likely go back to the Central Committee and they would poll the Party Delegates. There is no set Constitutional procedure for selecting a candidate if the candidate dies or resigns after the convention. The VP is not automatically the Presidential “candidate”. The 25th Amendment only applies once the President is elected. In fact, under the 25th Amendment, it isn’t clear that the VP-in-waiting would take over until the swearing in occurs.

ASFAIK neither case has ever actually happened.

]]> By: cinnamonape http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/26/the-crazies-start-coming-out-of-the-woodwork/#comment-1598228 cinnamonape Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:16:11 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/26/the-crazies-start-coming-out-of-the-woodwork/#comment-1598228 <p>“No tangible threat”?</p> <p>Apparently these guys wanted to find a high structure that would have given them a clear shot at Obama giving the acceptance speech, but the police blew it off by asserting that with the wind and distance it’s unlikely they would have hit Obama.</p> <p>Probably just someone else up on the stage! Maybe another party leader, Senator, Congressperson, a wife or member of invited families.</p> <p>“Not a tangible threat”?</p> <p>And imagine the panic and chaos that would have ensued.</p> <p>These guys were not making some hollow threat that one might expect by<br /> a pissed-off venting idiot. These guys were bent on doing severe harm. They were planning to assassinate the Presidential candidate. To say that they were going to fail in that endeavour doesn’t mean this wasn’t a serious threat.</p> “No tangible threat”?

Apparently these guys wanted to find a high structure that would have given them a clear shot at Obama giving the acceptance speech, but the police blew it off by asserting that with the wind and distance it’s unlikely they would have hit Obama.

Probably just someone else up on the stage! Maybe another party leader, Senator, Congressperson, a wife or member of invited families.

“Not a tangible threat”?

And imagine the panic and chaos that would have ensued.

These guys were not making some hollow threat that one might expect by
a pissed-off venting idiot. These guys were bent on doing severe harm. They were planning to assassinate the Presidential candidate. To say that they were going to fail in that endeavour doesn’t mean this wasn’t a serious threat.

]]> By: Teddy Partridge http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/26/the-crazies-start-coming-out-of-the-woodwork/#comment-1598202 Teddy Partridge Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:25:40 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/26/the-crazies-start-coming-out-of-the-woodwork/#comment-1598202 <p>Well, isn’t it great that our National Surveillance State tools and techniques are in place so that wiretapping and warrantless peekaboo searches revealed this horrific plot before it reached its goals. Oh, what’s that you say? Good old police work identified a bad driver whose attitude caused the patrol officer’s antenna to go up, so that the car got search during a routine traffic stop?</p> <p>Oh, well — I’m sure the surveillance state apparatus will come in handy sometime. As they say, you never hear about its successes! Yeah, right.</p> Well, isn’t it great that our National Surveillance State tools and techniques are in place so that wiretapping and warrantless peekaboo searches revealed this horrific plot before it reached its goals. Oh, what’s that you say? Good old police work identified a bad driver whose attitude caused the patrol officer’s antenna to go up, so that the car got search during a routine traffic stop?

Oh, well — I’m sure the surveillance state apparatus will come in handy sometime. As they say, you never hear about its successes! Yeah, right.

]]> By: mjvpi http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/26/the-crazies-start-coming-out-of-the-woodwork/#comment-1598189 mjvpi Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:06:11 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/26/the-crazies-start-coming-out-of-the-woodwork/#comment-1598189 <p>They sound more like fall guys than a credible plot.</p> They sound more like fall guys than a credible plot.

]]> By: David Neiwert http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/26/the-crazies-start-coming-out-of-the-woodwork/#comment-1598134 David Neiwert Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:12:07 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/26/the-crazies-start-coming-out-of-the-woodwork/#comment-1598134 <p>Sorry I couldn’t hang in the thread, folks. I had to grab a ride into town shortly after posting …</p> Sorry I couldn’t hang in the thread, folks. I had to grab a ride into town shortly after posting …

]]> By: pajarito http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/26/the-crazies-start-coming-out-of-the-woodwork/#comment-1598125 pajarito Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:05:41 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/26/the-crazies-start-coming-out-of-the-woodwork/#comment-1598125 <p>Not to mention the anti-immigration nut-jobs, such as Minutemen, etc.</p> Not to mention the anti-immigration nut-jobs, such as Minutemen, etc.

]]> By: Bluetoe2 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/26/the-crazies-start-coming-out-of-the-woodwork/#comment-1598086 Bluetoe2 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:38:48 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/26/the-crazies-start-coming-out-of-the-woodwork/#comment-1598086 <p>Let the trials begin! Whether in Washington or the Hague the American people must be forced to see the crimes of this administration just as allied troops forced German citizens to walk through concentration camps to see the crimes of their government.</p> Let the trials begin! Whether in Washington or the Hague the American people must be forced to see the crimes of this administration just as allied troops forced German citizens to walk through concentration camps to see the crimes of their government.

]]> By: greatdogs http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/26/the-crazies-start-coming-out-of-the-woodwork/#comment-1598074 greatdogs Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:31:40 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/26/the-crazies-start-coming-out-of-the-woodwork/#comment-1598074 <p>The two suspects look as though they might be fans of Sean Hannity’s buddy Hal Turner who called for the assassination of Obama. I see Hal’s blog had the story up this morning but with no comments. He was the first guy I thought of when I heard the story.</p> The two suspects look as though they might be fans of Sean Hannity’s buddy Hal Turner who called for the assassination of Obama. I see Hal’s blog had the story up this morning but with no comments. He was the first guy I thought of when I heard the story.

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