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	<title>Comments on: FDL Book Salon Welcomes David Kusnet: Love the Work, Hate the Job: Why America&#8217;s Best Workers Are Unhappier Than Ever</title>
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		<title>By: David Kusnet</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Kusnet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think you mean Phil Condit. He was one of the most accomplished engineers who ever worked for Boeing. He led the teams that designed two of Boeing’s most successful planes, the midsized 757 and the wide-body 777. But, after he became chairman and CEO in 1996, he started living large. First, he lived in hotel suites; then he bought himself a mansion and hosted lavish Camelot-themed parties.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Still, Condit was well liked by many Boeing employees, especially after the merger with McDonnell-Douglas. Machinists, engineers and technicians saw him as the representative of Boeing’s traditions against the more cut-throat McDonnell-Douglas, which was represented by the chief operating officer (and, later, CEO) Harry Stonecipher.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you mean Phil Condit. He was one of the most accomplished engineers who ever worked for Boeing. He led the teams that designed two of Boeing’s most successful planes, the midsized 757 and the wide-body 777. But, after he became chairman and CEO in 1996, he started living large. First, he lived in hotel suites; then he bought himself a mansion and hosted lavish Camelot-themed parties.</p>
<p>Still, Condit was well liked by many Boeing employees, especially after the merger with McDonnell-Douglas. Machinists, engineers and technicians saw him as the representative of Boeing’s traditions against the more cut-throat McDonnell-Douglas, which was represented by the chief operating officer (and, later, CEO) Harry Stonecipher.</p>
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		<title>By: panjun</title>
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		<dc:creator>panjun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;David, can you tell us more about that Boeing CEO with the midlife crisis who so worried the employees?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, can you tell us more about that Boeing CEO with the midlife crisis who so worried the employees?</p>
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		<title>By: panjun</title>
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		<dc:creator>panjun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Cujo said, “The two-tier system makes some sense in the academic world. Most of the grunts there are only going to be there long enough to get their degrees.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Actually, as one of the grunts– no. GTA (graduate teaching assts) are a separate job category from adjuncts. Most adjuncts teach semester to semester, but forever. I’ve worked with teachers who have been adjuncts for 20 years– $1700 a section, so maybe if they kill themselves and teach at 3 different schools, as David suggests, they might make $24K a year, no benefits, and I mean NO benefits. They do amazing work. Most freshman comp courses, most freshman courses in every discipline at state universities, are taught by adjuncts. I get — you’ll laugh at this– a desk for 2 hours a week, and a file drawer.  500 copies on the copy machine every semester. No secretarial help. I have probably 15 hours of “required” meetings I have to attend every semester without any compensation, not to mention the “orientation” of 8 hours or so at the beginning of every semester. Not a penny extra. And the “senior faculty” (the tenure-track and tenured ones) ignore us, because they know each one of them would pay for 4 of us, so they’re scared, and well they should be– the universities are getting addicted to instructors who make less than janitors, and pretty soon, the faculty will be 90% unbenefitted (”part-time” is actually a misnomer, as so many adjuncts teach 4 or more courses– one school I teach at — I teach at three– allows adjuncts to teach SIX courses a semester, which is twice as many as my father, the tenured professor, ever taught).  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And the adjuncts are very quiet about this, because they all love to teach, love the school, love the students, and are afraid they’ll be fired, or “unrenewed”.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cujo said, “The two-tier system makes some sense in the academic world. Most of the grunts there are only going to be there long enough to get their degrees.”</p>
<p>Actually, as one of the grunts– no. GTA (graduate teaching assts) are a separate job category from adjuncts. Most adjuncts teach semester to semester, but forever. I’ve worked with teachers who have been adjuncts for 20 years– $1700 a section, so maybe if they kill themselves and teach at 3 different schools, as David suggests, they might make $24K a year, no benefits, and I mean NO benefits. They do amazing work. Most freshman comp courses, most freshman courses in every discipline at state universities, are taught by adjuncts. I get — you’ll laugh at this– a desk for 2 hours a week, and a file drawer.  500 copies on the copy machine every semester. No secretarial help. I have probably 15 hours of “required” meetings I have to attend every semester without any compensation, not to mention the “orientation” of 8 hours or so at the beginning of every semester. Not a penny extra. And the “senior faculty” (the tenure-track and tenured ones) ignore us, because they know each one of them would pay for 4 of us, so they’re scared, and well they should be– the universities are getting addicted to instructors who make less than janitors, and pretty soon, the faculty will be 90% unbenefitted (”part-time” is actually a misnomer, as so many adjuncts teach 4 or more courses– one school I teach at — I teach at three– allows adjuncts to teach SIX courses a semester, which is twice as many as my father, the tenured professor, ever taught).  </p>
<p>And the adjuncts are very quiet about this, because they all love to teach, love the school, love the students, and are afraid they’ll be fired, or “unrenewed”.</p>
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		<title>By: TobyWollin</title>
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		<dc:creator>TobyWollin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;David..MS did those things probably because they had been told, as many companies are told who have long term temps working in house, that they must never, ever allow temps to make the mistake of thinking that somehow they are the same as payrolled employees. So, anything ’special’ that is offered to the payrolled employees must never be offered to temps. If they did that, it would be another piece of evidence that temps could use with the Labor Dept. to prove that they are really employees.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David..MS did those things probably because they had been told, as many companies are told who have long term temps working in house, that they must never, ever allow temps to make the mistake of thinking that somehow they are the same as payrolled employees. So, anything ’special’ that is offered to the payrolled employees must never be offered to temps. If they did that, it would be another piece of evidence that temps could use with the Labor Dept. to prove that they are really employees.</p>
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		<title>By: libbyliberal</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/24/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-david-kusnet-love-the-work-hate-the-job-why-americas-best-workers-are-unhappier-than-ever/#comment-1595445</link>
		<dc:creator>libbyliberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Loved Bob and Ray.  Favorite one…. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob:  “So what organization do you represent?”  Ray begins: “Slow…” (long pause) (Bob fills in “talkers of America”) …. Ray:  “talkers”  (Bob: “of America”) …. Ray:  “of” (Bob, exploding, “America”) Ray:  “America.”  Bob:  “aggggghhhhhh. Stop the interview.  Get this guy off the air.”  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;or words to that effect….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loved Bob and Ray.  Favorite one…. </p>
<p>Bob:  “So what organization do you represent?”  Ray begins: “Slow…” (long pause) (Bob fills in “talkers of America”) …. Ray:  “talkers”  (Bob: “of America”) …. Ray:  “of” (Bob, exploding, “America”) Ray:  “America.”  Bob:  “aggggghhhhhh. Stop the interview.  Get this guy off the air.”  </p>
<p>or words to that effect….</p>
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		<title>By: mracine</title>
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		<dc:creator>mracine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My understanding is that the 2004 updates to the law made things worse, not better.  The tech job situation is so bad that no one really cares any more.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Part of the problem is that the cycles for IT projects are so long.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My best theory on this is that corporate America was furious with the IT industry over the Y2K compliance spending - most of the rest of the world spent nothing and had no problems.  Broadband to Bangalore came on line at about the same time.  US business proceeded to gut the IT workforce.  (Sadly, a lot of them went into real estate.)  Now, the Bangalore cohort if projects are failing on an epic scale, and with no real cost savings on all but the most trivial of applications.  And no one wants to be a programmer anymore.  Anyone smart enough to be a “core” programmer is also smart enough to be a Wall Street analyst, high end lawyer, or some other such position which affords a much more pleasant lifestyle.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding is that the 2004 updates to the law made things worse, not better.  The tech job situation is so bad that no one really cares any more.</p>
<p>Part of the problem is that the cycles for IT projects are so long.</p>
<p>My best theory on this is that corporate America was furious with the IT industry over the Y2K compliance spending &#8211; most of the rest of the world spent nothing and had no problems.  Broadband to Bangalore came on line at about the same time.  US business proceeded to gut the IT workforce.  (Sadly, a lot of them went into real estate.)  Now, the Bangalore cohort if projects are failing on an epic scale, and with no real cost savings on all but the most trivial of applications.  And no one wants to be a programmer anymore.  Anyone smart enough to be a “core” programmer is also smart enough to be a Wall Street analyst, high end lawyer, or some other such position which affords a much more pleasant lifestyle.</p>
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		<title>By: AmIDreaming</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/24/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-david-kusnet-love-the-work-hate-the-job-why-americas-best-workers-are-unhappier-than-ever/#comment-1595442</link>
		<dc:creator>AmIDreaming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry to be coming so late to the conversation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The very idea of Microsoft “superstars” is a &lt;em&gt;little&lt;/em&gt; amusing. The Microsoft-nurtured mythology concerning its own capacity for innovation and excellence is instead a source of ridicule in much of the the software world.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Perhaps the only way to sustain the internal mythology of superstardom is by having a mass of drones to despise…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to be coming so late to the conversation.</p>
<p>The very idea of Microsoft “superstars” is a <em>little</em> amusing. The Microsoft-nurtured mythology concerning its own capacity for innovation and excellence is instead a source of ridicule in much of the the software world.</p>
<p>Perhaps the only way to sustain the internal mythology of superstardom is by having a mass of drones to despise…</p>
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		<title>By: libbyliberal</title>
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		<dc:creator>libbyliberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Everyone was like in a trance. Only a few of us started firing back with questions and indignation.  The old shock and awe … shock doctrine on a lower level.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone was like in a trance. Only a few of us started firing back with questions and indignation.  The old shock and awe … shock doctrine on a lower level.</p>
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		<title>By: libbyliberal</title>
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		<dc:creator>libbyliberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks.  And I am sure the laiason guy who did the firing got some extra zeros in his paycheck for “handling” such a role.  Unbelievable … as they say… corporation have psychopathic/sociopathic behavior patterns…. trickling down to human management too often&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.  And I am sure the laiason guy who did the firing got some extra zeros in his paycheck for “handling” such a role.  Unbelievable … as they say… corporation have psychopathic/sociopathic behavior patterns…. trickling down to human management too often</p>
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		<title>By: Cujo359</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cujo359</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It’s like the appeal of Wal-Mart. The prices are great, but you pay for what you buy in other ways. At least, somebody pays. I suppose part of the appeal is that people can fool themselves into thinking that it won’t be them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s like the appeal of Wal-Mart. The prices are great, but you pay for what you buy in other ways. At least, somebody pays. I suppose part of the appeal is that people can fool themselves into thinking that it won’t be them.</p>
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