Kudos to Josh Marshall for spotting this:
An interesting tidbit from the end of a piece in the Politico on McCain’s 8 homes. (They’ve decided it’s eight.) From 2006 to 2007, the McCains’ budget for household staff went up roughly 50% from $184,000 to $273,000 …
Wow. The McCains’ household-staff budget alone went from nearly four times the US median household income to nearly six times the US median household income. Yet McCain’s defenders in the elite media, the comfortably-well-off ones who passed on bogus GOP "elitism" smears used against the self-made Bill Clinton in the past and now pass on these same smears against the self-made Barack Obama in the present, think it’s oh-so-unfair that these smear chickens have come home to roost to John Sidney McCain III, who can’t even remember what car or cars he drives — no doubt because with chauffeurs at his beck and call, he need never touch a steering wheel. But despite their efforts to run interference for Ol’ Silver Spoon, those actual average Americans that have heard about this story don’t like what it tells them about John McCain.
I look at that household-staff budget and keep thinking: How many of those persons are citizens, or documented workers of any sort, and are they all being paid living wages?
Let’s put it this way: It wouldn’t surprise me if some of them weren’t.
The Republican Party has been banging the nativist anti-immigration gong for decades now, but large swatches of American industry have grown addicted to cheap, easily-exploited labor. The corporate anti-union wing finds itself at odds with the racist base, which leads to amusing sights such as the 1996 Republican National Convention in sunny San Diego, where speakers raved on and on about the Scary Brown People taking away American jobs while undocumented workers served them their food, cleaned their hotel rooms, and set up the stages from which they emitted their ravings. (Expect to see more of the same in Saint Paul a week from now, when anti-immigrant conventioneers will find themselves riding in taxis driven by Somali refugees.)
The two major wings of the modern Republican Party, the corporate anti-tax wing and the bigot "nunnah mah tax dollars are goin’ to black people" wing, are usually in sync. But they find themselves increasingly drastically at odds over immigration — and the Republicans have no one to blame but themselves.
Poor widdle Republicans, reaping the whirlwind? Tough bounce, kiddoes. They and their corporate sugar daddies hath sown the wind, in the form of two decades of increasingly virulent hate-radio programs made possible by their dismantling the Fairness Doctrine back in 1987, the coddling of bigots like Jerome Corsi, the transmission of vile smear e-mails designed to fly under the radar and be hard to track down to their sources, and generally creating an atmosphere where a sitting Member of Congress, Michele Bachmann, can spew Bizarro-World stuff like this, where it is claimed that the mortgage bailout is secretly funding "La Raza":
"At the same time that the American taxpayer was being asked to bail
these companies out, Barney Frank, the chairman of the Financial
Services Committee, instituted a sort of tax on Freddie and Fannie,
and that tax goes into what’s called an affordable housing trust
fund," explains Bachmann. "It’s a really a taxpayer-subsidized
housing fund, but that money will go to organizations like La Raza
and…ACORN. " Both groups — "particularly ACORN," says Bachmann –
have been found to be involved in "activities where they have
perpetrated voter fraud," she contends.
As the gold-trimmed velvet reality of McCain’s plush life intrudes on the media-protected Regular Guy image, those anti-immigration folk who never liked McCain much anyway have got to be wondering who it is that he has as his butlers and maids and nannies — and actual Regular Joes and Janes are wondering why the fact of McCain’s stratospherically-rich existence was never emphasized by the same media that dutifully repeats against the self-made Barack Obama the same attempts to project Republican elitism that are done against every Democrat no matter what.
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OT Where can we find a list of future Blue America or just future politican and speakers scheduled to speak at the Lake?
Remember all the dust up about the folks who did not pay Social Sec. for their nannies and other household workers. Wonder if John and Cindy are all paid up on their myriad workers in the however-many homes they may own? Who looks up that information?
Keep pushing this fact over and over and over again, Phoenix Woman! It’s important. ;-)
The staff?
Too funny.
Bull’s eye!
Ding, ding, ding. Exactly. It would be very interesting to have someone from INS and the State and Federal Labor Depts. over to all those houses, simultaneously, demanding to see Mrs. McCain’s records for her staff. Let’s see now — documentation on green cards, please? H-1 visas, please? Oh yes, and can we see your records for making payments on Social Security?
Also, somebody needs to find out HOW MANY staff that budget pays. Is it six times the median income? Fine – but is he paying twelve people with that money?
Would it surprise anyone that in addition to being a mean, self-centered bastard, McCain is also a skinflint?
I bet Johnny McTeleprompter who defaulted on his taxes on the following property is also paying those staff employees under the table and I bet some are illegal aliens:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..09785.html
Dismantling the Fairness Doctrine opened the wrong floodgates to be sure, but Clinton specifically poured more salt on the national wound and helped right wing radio with his signing of the Telecommunications Act of 1996.
Morning Phoenix Woman,
some firedog pointed out the ‘discrepancy’/increase in staff pay yesterday in a Lindsay thread . . .before Josh did.
same thread was also looking in to some undervalued sites ($1000 – wtf?) happened to be managed by wife of major McKept Bundler
per my EPU,
just got back from a tour of the rightie sites, Michelle Merkin refers to McKept as Hispanderer -lol
anonymous call to INS? Hey, there *is* a reasonable suspicion (not even necessary under Mukasey’s new rules), given that McCrazy is a known tax-evader….
I wouldn’t be surprised if one of the “household” employees, and the major part of the increase, is from moving a portion of the employment of a pilot from Cindy’s business onto household staff.
I realize I’ve been away and I have not been paying the proper attention to this whole ‘how many houses’ issue, but does anyone know what the breakdown is on the whole thing in terms of how many pieces of real estate/commercial/residential John McCain actually owns vs. how many Miss Cindy-Lou owns? I am under the impression that everything is Cindy-Lou’s and ‘tough guy’ McCain doesn’t own any of them. Or, am I wrong?
Unfortunately, I don’t think such a list exists. Howie Klein sets up the Blue America visits and with them as well as with most other politicians, I don’t think the schedules allow for a lot of planning real far into the future.
But it does keep us on our toes and paying attention to things.
An interesting tidbit from the end of a piece in the Politico on McCain’s 8 homes. (They’ve decided it’s eight.) From 2006 to 2007, the McCains’ budget for household staff went up roughly 50% from $184,000 to $273,000 …
So did McCain fire everyone without a green card so the press could not do to him what they did to Mitt Romney and his landscape workers? Can we get SS numbers for McCain’s past and present servants?
I’m betting some are false. Even if the servants are getting triple minimum wage well is common man McCain running his own Plantation or what thats a lot of servants.
Or did McCain get around Campaign finance law spending restrictions by making his Butler part of the Presidential Campaign.
$273,000 – 184000 = 89,000 sure its not much but with creative accounting every little bit helps. Lindsay had a bit bout a $1,000 medical office rental property?
There seems to be a pattern but this is to big for me to figure out.
You could run a third world country on what he pays his staff.
This was my thought, exactly. $278,000 divided by ??? equals how much per person? Is each of his homes staffed by one? two? three? Makes a differences . . . can someone do the arithmetic for me?
Thanks dakine01 its not what I wanted to hear but hey every system has room for improvement.
it’s even better -
will look for the link, but read yesterday that LaJolla place is for one of her Aunties
This upstairs/downstairs motif is already getting olde. The yabbo is a crazy-assed warmonger and whore for the war profiteers. Time to lock on that.
I look at his 0ne dozen homes (or more) and wonder how on earth his staff costs so little even at these prices
Yeah that has got to go.
This was a big discussion yesterday…no one had exact answers. A strange piece of “rental” property (medical office, as I recall) + discussion of community property. Someone was going to do more record search, I think
My thought on WHY the increase is that the McBush’s verified that all their house staff were here on a legal status AND because they were they had to pay for for their labor…..
THE number one employer of undocumented labor is the homeowner…. I pay more to make sure that my lawn & pool services are documented….. The estimate for my landscaping redo was $2000 more with the company whose crews were all legal residents…
Reeeeeally? *wringing hands* ;-)
These guys really make me sick . OK , I admit the part of California I live in is ” rural ” and you give up a lot for the lifestyle here . However , in my Best year as an automotive repair tech ( computer systems included ) I made a lovely 34 thousand . Note , no third digit there , thirty four . And a guy with 8 houses and 500 dollar shoes wants me to vote for him ? His ” servants ” got a bigger raise and probably make more than I do ??? Where was that lettuce at 50 an hour ?
w3ski
I am under the impression that everything is Cindy-Lou’s and ‘tough guy’ McCain doesn’t own any of them. Or, am I wrong?
You’d have to ask JohnnyMac.
oh, wait….
Well, you could always ask Cindy.
Oh, umm, kinda the same problem. she isn’t admittin’ a goddamned thing until *after* the election.
Here’s an idea – ask the financially stiffed and strapped half-sister of Cindy. I bet *she* knows…
When Ray Romano wants to watch a sporting event on tv in the company of women, he raises a topic with them about clothes. And then, bam, he’s alone with the tv in the same room with them.
w3ski you want in on the lettuce gig too? $50 bucks an hr Yeah!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6pu5nf8dAU
btw, some were wondering if the aunt was allowed to live in LaJolla condo as a means of getting the tax break afforded the elderly – unfortunately for the tightwads, the elderly person has to be listed as owner
still looking for specific link
O/T Linda Douglass on CNN as spokesperson for Obama campaign. Hits all her marks perfectly. She will be forceful, sharp and no softie.
The Obama team just keeps getting stronger and stronger. Mark of championship.
Meanwhile, McMuffin’s rattlin’ his “keys”
Owe ya a drink. Beat me to it.
As my math teachers always said, show yer work.
Let’s assume each house has 2 staff
273000 / 16 = 17062.50
Those are poverty wages.
I’d be willing to bet my entire household-staff budget (zero) that the McCains employ some undocumented workers and that none of the staff are paid enough. Having said that, I feel very conflicted. That sort of unethical and hypocritical behavior in a presidential candidate should be exposed, on the other hand, the undocumented workers could very well end up getting deported, families divided and so on.
they have found ways to redistribute middle class assets to the wealthiest people on the planet
this is not so the wealthy have more wealth, it’s so the middle class has less
they want robber baron economics, they have and they want everyone else to have not
$50 bucks an hour to pick lettuce is what ole Johnny “I’m In Touch With You Workers, I Really Am” McTeleprompter? Bah hahahahahahahaha! Maybe this is why ole Johnny pretends to be against illegal aliens…he thinks $50/hour is the minimum wage in this country!
I will post this in the next few threads. Here is a selection of Biden’s votes in the Senate during the Bush years. Although your mileage may vary, I rate them with + being good, – bad, and +/- not sure. Keep in mind that many votes are structured to be cosmetic so it is problematic to assess his positive votes, especially in the absence of any leadership shown on them.
+/- Voted for the AUMF against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States (September 14, 2001)
- Voted for the Patriot Act (October 25, 2001)
- Voted for the AUMF against Iraq (October 11, 2002)
- Voted for Condoleezza Rice as Secretary of State (January 26, 2005)
+ Voted against Alberto Gonzales as Attorney General (February 3, 2005)
- Voted for the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act (March 10, 2005)
+ Voted against Roberts nomination as Chief Justice (September 29, 2005)
- Voted for the USA PATRIOT Improvement and Reauthorization Act (March 2, 2006)
+ Voted against the Military Commissions Act (September 28, 2006)
+ Voted against cloture on the Alito nomination (January 30, 2006)
+ Voted against the Alito nomination (January 31, 2006)
+ Voted against the Protect America Act (August 3, 2007)
+/- Absent for vote on Mukasey nomination as Attorney General (November 8, 2007)
+ Voted against the FISA Amendments Act (February 12, 2008)
Well, I’m sure Howie and all would be all ears to hear of a “process” that would force politicians to listen and jump at the beck and call of a bunch of DFH bloggers. /s
oh Phoenix Woman,
that would be Michele “Caribou Coffee Klatsch” Bachmann
or Michelle ‘Drill in ANWR, Get $2/Gallon Instantly’ Bachmannn
no wait, that’s Michele ‘The Chinese Are Drilling in Cuba !’ Bachmann
Yes they are poverty wages…that is…if everyone of those staff workers is making the exact same wage. If one is making $30,000/year then that will lower the wages for everyone else! Oh boy.
How many are making $8,000/year for Johnny McTeleprompter? I doubt he has a lettuce crop at one of his homes. Spit.
http://www.opensecrets.org/new…..imary.html
mccain primary public financing charges dismissed.
Granted he probably doesn’t remember…
From ontheissues.org
McCain voted YES on increasing minimum wage to $7.25. (Feb 2007)
Thank God someone’s onto this. $273,000 is 9 people @ $30,000/year. Doesn’t seem like enough for the cooking, cleaning, driving, mowing, weeding and pruning that fleet of houses would require. Maybe it’s a couple of managers and work is outsourced to casual (documented?) labor. Another question- how does Hanoi John treat the help emotionally being so famously dismissive to his equals and all…?
Mornin’, everyone!
Sorry I’m late — I’m trying to put together a “Mansion Accomplished” banner and having trouble getting the GIMP’s transparency feature to do what I think it should do.
If they’re smart they’ll split and find work elsewhere. Struggling here is better than struggling wherever they came from.
$278,0000/ 24 =11,583
8 homes and as you said 3 servants a home. I assume landscaping and repairs are on a different part of the budget.
Well, he probably thought $50/hour was a good livable wage for a lettuce picker. LOL! Of course, you and I know $50/hour would bring all of us out of poverty and into the middle class, but in Johnny’s eyes $50/hour is peanuts.
Yes, yes it would be!
Michele Bachmann: Because Katherine Harris isn’t in Congress any more.
If they are in a trust, Cindy would not own them, the trust does, she may benefit from the proceeds or income and may be able to use the property of the trust but she would not own the assets as such. Much depends on how the trust was written, each trust will be different as well. IANAL
No taxes on $50 an hour double score! Immigrant labor pays no taxes they get paid cash!
the rich are different…
outside of old money enclaves, $30k is probably considered a good domestic wage when one throws in room and board
i’m still wondering if the amounts cindy and meghan and mccain are charging on their charge cards are funds that need to be registered as being used toward/for the campaign…..
don’t you have to tally that stuff? or is it just that you have to tally funds that are from the campaign?
i thought they both had to be logged….like his using the jet, that he had to ‘pay’ for it…..the amounts on their charge cards are enormous, no way it isn’t being used for campaign stuff.
Probably never sees any other than those in Arlington. Since he doesn’t spend much time at any of their other castles he couldn’t care less.
xactly !!!
mebbe our Kat has sent her some celestial drops :D
Of course, they made the ruling after the primaries were over.
Bought off, spineless, or both.
“Oh, but if we ruled to punish McCain, he and his media buddies would yell at us!” So once again, having an R after your name is a Get Out Of Jail Free card.
After her initial attempts to stay in the limelight dear Katherine has simply vanished from the public light. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
I think it was on MSNBC last night when they were talking about the multitude of McCain mansions someone said they “only” lived in 4 of them and that the rest were rental properties. I took this to be something they said because regular folks could identify with (years ago my immigrant Grandma bought the house next door to her and rented it out for a little extra income), but the first thing I wondered was “Hmmm, I wonder who rents that kind of house.” Might be interesting to know who actually lives in those properties providing a little extra income…
People tend to ascribe McCain’s memory issues to geriatric considerations. But we don’t know exactly what brain-manipulation techniques he was subjected to during the five-and-a-half years he was a prisoner of the KGB’s Asian allies.
Can we be sure that he isn’t a Manchurian candidate? Can we afford to take that chance?
attack. Attack. ATTACK.
Thanks! PW. I’ll be down at Dem HQ in a bit dropping off TVs for the convention parties and MUST spread this tidbit around!
Jim, I left a late response to your worm post. I’m just glad you weren’t too badly hit there, and will attempt to vibe the worms away for ya.
I posted this the other night, but it’s just too funny, and i’m reposting for your enjoyment, along the lines of McSame’s memory problem:
“….the American Association of Retired Persons issued a scathing press release disowning the Arizona Senator for failing to recall anything that happened between 1990 and 2008. “We’ve refunded the Senator’s 2008 dues and will no longer be sending a newsletter to any of the eight home addresses we have on file for him,” says AARP membership director Eunice Pepperpot, 67, who went on, “I forget where I put my keys. Every now and then I forget one of my grandkids’ names. But Jesus Christ I’ve never forgotten entire tracts of real estate!”
LOL
LOL
read the rest, is one page of total hysterical!
From here.
That is a pretty good litmus test for discerning class division, whether your eyes light up at the prospect of earning $50 an hour or you glance dismissively down your nose as you signal your chauffeur to bring the car around.
In picking a pro choice catholic as a running mate- Obama insures that the popa-dope will threaten to ex communicate any catholic who votes for the ticket–should be fun.
Hmmm Politicians make time if they think that you are important if we get a good bunch of Blue America elected our schedules will be confirmed in stone.
and don’t forget that “medical office” worth all of one thousand dollars.
you should see this “one thousand dollar office”, it’s in one of the most beutifull buildings you’re likely to see…and we don’t even know how big that office is but if it’s as small as a frigging closet it’s worth 50,000 dollars in that building
Like I couldn’t see that coming. The FEC wasn’t going to take action on this because they were afraid to call a Republican Presidential candidate for cheating on campaign finance in an election year would be considered partisan.
I think that the correct approach to McCain’s wealth is to label it all joint property- to say “John and Cindy McCain own 8 houses and are worth $100 million dollars. If he wants to come back and quibble saying “Geez- my wife’sa zillionaire but I don’t have a pot to piss in”, let him!
Back from sunny Ontario with a tan/burn and poison ivy
It was a great week without internet.
My guess for the increase is that the undocumented staff have been replaced with documented workers (who cost more).
Somewhere there are a few families going hungry because mama or popi are no longer earning less than minimum wage in a McCain household.
How about a post so we can talk about without going off topic?
I always take my Farragamos off when I enter my home, so that my feet can enjoy the hardwood floors as I glide into my twin wine cellars (I don’t let the undocumenteds in there, too dangerous).
Cool if they do then the Chruch better threaten to kick out every prodeath penalty GOPer or their tax exempt status can disappear.
Good point. On the other hand, think how many kids Cindy helps with her investments in Central American and Asian sweatshops.
the Obama consultants earned their cheddar with this one -
instead of going near the geriatric issue, they are referring to it
as Aloof – yummy
No- they won’t. The current pope did this trick with Kerry (before he was Pope-a-dope) and let Clusterfuck slide on the death penalty issue.
The Pope-a-dope is a gooper.
I’m Poor No! Noooo! “G”
Not surprisingly, Boy Genius Karl Rove is running the same thing up the flagpole.
Obama is “attacking Cindy McCain” because she owns all the many, many houses.
-G
One thing that McCain is forever saying that really sticks in my craw is that we had to fight Osama in Iraq because he (Osama) said that is where the fight was. I live by the Rockies; if I was on the lam from the law and told them to look for me in the Blue Ridge Mts. would that work?
do the feds even have enuf agents to raid all 8 houses simultaneously?
hmmm. blkwtr? egad.
Biden is 65, McBush is 72. Bit of a difference.
perris posted a google map of it,, i saw it had the name of one of the agents companies on the building….sharon harper, wife of mccain bundler.
real estate.
she also promotes banner hospitals medical office buildings, and the address registered for estrella medical center is registered at this address…
AND in the article harper wrote, there is a picture of scottsdale princess medical center, which is the same name used by cindy’s medical center bldg in peoria….so, many questions still not answered…..hope lindsay saw my note about that.
employees at plaza and plaza del rio heavy donors as of 2007-wondering if that’s when the shared use of addresses started.
a bunch of people contributed to this info, lindsay leading the way. and see the previous thread, too.
http://cliffschecter.firedogla…..befuddled/
they DOOOOOOO, but most of them are in Iraq. /snark
We can still raise a big stink about it and remember the church has seen governments get angry at them and take all their property before.
The Knights Templar had all their holdings taken throughout Europe.
Oops sorry OT
yep, was at full strength in june, took til now to do it..in the middle of a heavy news week….yep.
If there weren’t poor and struggling middle-class people who would make up most of the military to fight his wars? Yet the guy who was the head of the Senate Veteran Affairs committee didn’t even bother to find out what really was happening at Walter Reed until the media blew it open. He’s the guy who doesn’t believe in updating the GI Bill to make colleges affordable BECAUSE it might reduce those folks fighting in tyhe Republicans multi-front wars.
So it seems that he’s now thinking about sending US troops into Georgia, and perhaps the Ukraine and Poland…maybe Romania, Hungary, Bulgaria and who knows where else.
So McCain doesn’t believe you’re wealthy unless you make $5 million dollars…A YEAR. That’s not your total “worth”…it was INCOME! And even then he believes the rich are paying more than their fair share of taxes.
And this is from a guy who has so many homes that he can’t remember how many he has…and whose wife refuses to expose her investments and tax shelters.
speaking from 66, 65’s fine. 72 – not so much.
now, where’d they put the “submitter” button on this dang thing……
LOL Love the image you just gave. And you are right. $50/hr to a rich wealthy elitist schmuck like John McCain is nothing. He pays more than that for someone to walk to the end of his driveways to get his mail! And we know it’s gonna take at least 4 hours a day at a minimum to collect the mail at all those houses! LOL
my, you’re quick ;-P
Mexico and South America refused to compensate the Church for slaves that were freed on Church Plantations.
Fortunately for McBush- he’s not responsible for anything he says- he does not speak for his campaign- nor do his aides.
McCain is pro draft?… that means he is planning to stay in Iraq for a long time.
I have to ask everyone to Digg this TBogg post:
http://digg.com/politics/Karl_….._Soup_Nazi
Thank you!!
Let alone lead an 8 car ,motorcade to get a cup of coffee
With our current FBI, yes.
Henry Vlll just took over the whole fuckin church including all of it’s property and made himself pope-a-dope of England…worked for HIM!
82 was to hugh, too.
Any lawyers here? I know my father was just very very certain that the title to their home was in both names and that when my DH and I bought our house that we needed to have it done that way. Why? Because if one of us died, then the house went immediately to the other person. No legal hokus-pokus. Unless John Sydney’s name is on those titles, the property is Cindy-Lou-Hoo’s..and I think that when she passes on, all of that stuff goes into her estate(depending on whether or not it’s in a trust) and all the legal estate stuff will have to get done on it in order for it to pass to whoever she’s designated as her heirs.
ahhhh soooooo…
this might be entertaining, altho a bit of a tightrope.
balance beam?
P.S. Does anyone remember the way home?
was just pointing out FDL had it on it’s own – as there has been talk in past threads about TPM not properly attributing
and thanks for the Cliff link, wonder who the dear boy is working for these days.
I believe you are correct- but for political purposes, it’s best to just say “The Property of John and Cindy McCain” it’s accurate enough and the person who tries to clarify it loses- make that be McCain!
d’oh!
allow me to further muddy the waters – one can enter a will in another state with, um, estate friendlier statutes. kinda like incorporating in Delaware.
Cool!
Thank YOU, Nelson!
that is clearly a tax lie, you should see this building, I am supposing the holding is just an office in the building but even so, it is an incredible structure and that office is worth 6 digits no matter how small it is
Been there, done that. *g*
Exactly. Johnny must be “poor” if his limo doesn’t have a coffee maker in it! Poor thing! Spit.
Even then I wouldn’t be holding my breath.
Then its time to remind the church that countries with money troubles and a conflict with the church historically tend to see the church conflict as an answer to their money troubles.
I mean its either that or we legalize weed and tax it, especially if we save the banks with tax payer money.
Lehman Brothers rose yesterday on Bank of Korea takeover rumors despite having Jeb Bush on the payroll.
Why do I smell lots of tax-shelters coming from the McCain camp? Oh boy.
Yeah were is the MSM they should be all over McCain hinting he is pro draft.
I think your analysis is correct: Her separate property = goes into her separate estate, etc. At least one qualification was raised earlier about how much of the property is held in trust; the trust document would control.
sent link of entire thread to McClatchy :D
The way to go home.
-G
dugg
Funny. Wuz just thinkin’ he took the motorcade so he could treat the guys all to a macho-latte. But I bet he reached in his pocket and couldn’t even find a dime. It wasn’t allowance day. /s
actually, this time, it’s lindsay beyerstein who replaced john g.
she’s been doing a great job….i like reading her stuff…
http://cliffschecter.firedoglake.com/
and here’s the la jolla property/aunt story, link is from lindsay’s pretty houses part 1. condo originally purchased by cindylou’s parents.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/…..condo.html
The wealthy corporate media pundits, newsreaders, editors, bloviators et al see themselves of the same class as McSame and therefore see nothing disturbing about his 7 homes, chauffers, and 6 figure outlay for domestic help. Does anyone really think Kookie Cokie, Charlie Gibson, David Brooks, and countless other shills for the Republican Party really have an inkling of what life is like for a vast majority of Americans? Yet these same blowhards think they speak for the common man or woman.
LOL Exactly. McTeleprompter being of great wealth would never feed the poor, even if it was a cup of coffee for his campaign staff or his SS protection. To him, they should just be satisfied and consider it a great payment to be near him! Spit.
Not a lawyer but my und4erstanding is all the property IS in Cindy’s name as it came from her family/father.
Of course, I also recall reading that McCain isn’t really hurting in his own right with a worth of roughly $40M (don’t have a link sorry). And his mother is supposed to be fairly “well off” (Cindy range) and he will inherit her estate.
Such troubles we should all have to deal with, right?
Mebbe Arch. Digest will run a spread on the fambly holdings and how purty they all be.
Whut’s the harm? Where’s that Leach guy & his tv extravaganzas meant to make us drool on cue?
Got enough to keep the little gray cells working for a while so I’ll go do stuff that doesn’t require a lot of gray cell energy. Stuff the McSFB’s wouldn’t know how to do. Like flatten cardboard tiger food boxes for recycling. Thank goodness for stereo.
Be good to yourselves, and all other living things.
Namaste
does anyone remember where the car is parked?
It seems to be a common assumption that McCain NEEDS Cindy’s money. That might have been true at one time but not at present. From opensecrets.org.
Lindsay is doing a fabulous job – we’re so spoiled here.
gotta go sigh
Keep digging hippies.
mad progressive love to all
I am so glad you mentioned Cokie. When NO was drowning in the Katrina tragedy she was lyrically extolling what a great city it is to live in. Well, 1/2 right. Her mother lives in the French Quarter that was barely harmed and recovered quickly.
But even before the storm, it was a very difficult city for the have-nots. A terrible school system that produced all those low income stranded citizens. A hugh crime rate with corrupt leadership, in many cases. She was in no position to speak on what a great city to live in; she grew up in DC and only visited NO as a very well-placed, aristocrat. Her naivete was appalling.
bye dragonola
P. E. A. C. E. all.
bye your magnificence.
Few of those people are worth $100 mm . When I was working for a company that was about to be bought- the CEO of the purchasing company told me “Wealth doesn’t begin until $100 mm” (He qualified).
That’s the real measure of who the movers and shakers are…and they don’t see those who have 5 or 10 million as being in the circle at all…
Most of the people you mention aren’t even close.
A few million bucks is chump change to the McCains of the world…
With $100mm, you can put the whole nut into tax free munies and live forever off the tax free proceeds—- 3 or 4 million a YEAR.
THAT’S wealth.
some people have an amazing ability to float above it all, untouched.
That is not a compliment.
i should have said-
sharon harper-wife of mccain bundler
real estate investments
plaza co’s
plaza del rio management
real estate investments
Thanks PW. Great post.
Morning pups.
Outstanding post, PW. I still haven’t figured out why I haven’t yet heard a connect the dots stating clearly all those previously unknown aspects of McShames life that wreak of wealth and high living while he calls the other guy an elitist and tries to make hay out of Obama’s vacation in Hawaii, which is where he was born, on a private beach that was decidedly not private! I also am not very happy that I haven’t heard so much as a peep about McSame’s poor performance in school, resulting in a class ranking of fifth from the bottom out of 899. I would also include the fact that before he was a POW, he crashed 5 planes, a feat that for anyone else would have prompted disciplinary action, but for the fact that he was the son and grandson of Admirals. You may not be able to control getting captured, but you can surely control taking care of Naval resources like planes. Maybe he should not be faulted for all the crashes, but it’s hard to believe that with five, some of them weren’t the result of reckless behavior. I want to hear emphatically the contrast between that ranking and a Harvard grad magna cum laude and the distinction of being elected the “first black elected to head Harvard Law Review in its 104 year history.” (from Wiki, reportedly from the NYT, Feb. 6, 1990) Furthermore, I don’t think it would hurt to make McLame furious; so furious that he lashes out so vehemently, so belligerently, with such aggressive hostility that his temper shows for all the world to see. That’s what I want to see!
time for food
and chores.
i hope people check out lindsay’s work on the mccain properties, was good. and there’s lots in the comments that still needs to be dug into further…a few i mentioned upthread.
oh, and thanks pw!
You Mean like hardballs Mathews going home to his 5M spread and finding that the poolman didn’t get the pool clean. Where did he go on vacation?
Hi and bye, TB. Hope you’re doing well.
and he was shot down with 30 hours of combat time.
You kicking me out already? I just got here!
Great post with video
Houses, shoes, and planes
That would be $35M if one split the difference. At 5% that would be $1,750,000. income. Did He show that on his income?
So good. What would you like to be the forum? Who are the Dem swiftboaters?
I could not care less how many specific pieces of real estate are owned by Johnny Mac, Cindy-Lou or the two of them together…or how much or which ones are owned through trusts. I am concerned about the fact that these two seem to be hiding a whole lot of stuff out there and taking the position that they ‘don’t have’ to show any transparency. AND, I am really concerned that ol’ Johnny claims he doesn’t know how many pieces of property he owns. Even when my dear old Mum was suffering from dementia and had only moments of sharpness, she remembered that she owned a whole bunch of Corning, Inc. stock and asked me what the price was and could figure that she’d bought it at $x.xx and now it was $xx.xx and how much money she’d made on paper. And this was from someone who was 86, took her clothes off in public, and was getting up every hour on the hour during the night thinking it was morning again. So, I think we’ve got a couple of choices on Sen. McCain’s claim to ‘not know’: First, either he really does not know(in which case, he is not anyone we want as president because anyone who does not care about what assets they own is playing with a ‘the lights are on but no one is home’ sort of brain). Second, he knows that he doesn’t own anything but doesn’t want to say anything because it will make him look weak, foolish, or a tool of the Hensleys. Third, he knows that he owns pieces of property and like Cindy with her taxes, he’s not willing to say – still hiding stuff. A better communication device would be to be honest — “I own xxx by myself; Mrs. McCain and I own xxx as co-owners, and Mrs. McCain has many holdings either singly or through partnerships. These are protected through trust agreements.” Trusts are legal devices. Lots and lots of people use them. The one thing McCain CANNOT say is that he and Mrs. McCain are ‘regular folks’(unless he’s prepared to give a listing of how many prunes they are eating a day). We’ve had a fake ‘regular guy’ for almost 8 years – people understand that being a fake regular guy is a lie – I think the American People can handle the truth.
No one seems to bother asking WTF he took a navy plane for personal transportation to a football game that he never made it to.
Also McCain has refused to release his military records so it is just not Cindy’s finances.
linky?
The swift-boaters were liars; what I said is all from public knowledge. Not perceptions, facts! We don’t have any swift-boaters; then again, we don’t need any swift-boaters. We need adequate flamethrowers. All I know is that Biden has been the Democratic parties flamethrower for years. Hope they don’t keep him on a short leash, because unleashed, I think Obama/Biden could be on the upwardly mobile side again. I cannot see Biden sitting idly by and letting the other side burn him without fighting back, and I would think, he’s been around so long, he knows where the dirt is, as they say!
There is more detailed info at this link.
When Johnny said he only used 4 of his many homes & rents the others out, it was no different than John Edwards admitting an affair with a woman and saying, “I didn’t love her”. Oh boy.
Maybe some enterprising reporter could ask Richie Rich how many people he can get to work for him for $274,000.
Nah, make yourself at home. I have to leave for a little while to bathe a certain bird.
Springfield, IL is about two hours West of here. I considered going over for the Biden unveiling but decided I can probably see it better on C-Span with less crowd-related aggravation.
nice!
let’s hope there’s something to this
It’s not exactly the same. One probably has less potential for chafing.
Thanks for pointing this out!
By the way, Let me tell you first what I won. The buck will stop with me, because I will be the president. My vice president, also by the way my vice president also will be a member of the executive branch, he won’t be one of these 4th branches of government where he thinks he’s above the law. But here’s what I do want from my vice president, I want somebody who has integrity, who’s in politics for the right reasons, I want somebody who is independent. Somebody who is able to say to me, ‘you know what, Mr. President, I think you’re wrong on this and here’s why’ and will give me (applause) who will help me think through major issues and consult with me, would be a key advisor. I want somebody who is capable of being president and who I would trust to be president. That’s the first criteria for vice president. And the final thing is I want a [vice] president who shares with me a passion to make the lives of the American people better than they are right now. I want someone who is not in it just because they want to have their name up in lights or end up being president. I want somebody who is mad right now, that people are losing their jobs. And is mad right now that people have seen their incomes decline, and want to rebuild the middle class in this country. That’s the kind of person that I want; somebody who in their gut knows where they came from and believes that we have to grow this country from the bottom up. Obama anticipated the attacks that McCain and his good buddy Ron Fournier (who loves Karl Rove and nearly became McCain’s official communications director, instead of just his de facto one at the AP) had prepared against Biden (h/t Karma for All):
http://findarticles.com/p/arti…..i_61361646
Thanks, and good morning to you too!
Truuuuuuuuuuue. It’s similar in attitude, however. ;-)
I assume Cindy has a complex will and trust arrangement. I bet a few dribbles go to McCain, and the rest in trust with a bit dribbling out over the rest of his life, with the remainder in trust for the kids. Also, I assume some goes into some kind of a foundation so the kids can control the beer distribution empire without some of the tax consequences.
I hope our Arizona readers aren’t drinking the beer she uses to support her boy.
Here’s another thing that I wonder about: we’re so busy criticizing some of the press that we forget that you can use their built in forums instead. What would it take to convert Modo or Ana Marie Cox, for instance. They have some very sharp tongues and they reach more of an audience than the preaching to the choir that we do here. Some may already be coming around for their own or their bosses’ furtive reasons. I notice Joe Klein has been much more amenable to believing good things about Obama and not trying to knock him down like he used to, and the same thing goes for Andrea Mitchell. I actually had to applaud the other day when she finally got one right. She stood up and denied the lie that Obama did not visit the injured troops because he couldn’t take the press along. We should be using every defense we can muster, and we can muster some of these people if we try!
Somehow I don’t think mcShame will ever experience a soup line. Between his 95 year old mom and Cindy.
This doesn’t sound like there was anything wrong with him flying to that game.
My son is an AF flight instructor. Those planes are not for personal use.
My guess is that neither you or the father is an Admiral.
Me or the father?
oops – saw TexBets – I shoulda looked closer
it said-”returning from flying a trainer solo “
flying a ‘trainer’ (jet) solo, not that he was on a training flight solo.
big difference.
New Obama ad out – nails it
http://tpmelectioncentral.talk…..mccain.php
fox guy out getting the ‘flavor’ of denver…..
coors brewery. tape wouldn’t work….ha.
now he’s describing the construct of the convention stage….lame.
and the seats…
digital plasmas, live band stage. house is gonna be rockin’. he must be a dem…
media boxes…fox news in a prime perch, he says….and floor security..
workers just had to pass in front of him cuz he was blocking their way…
oh darn, they didn’t get to run the coors plant video…gonna have to give back that ad money!!!!
hmmmmmmm.
Thank you.
Have a nephew in the army. Diesel trucks. I have only a tiny familiarity with his lingo and none with the “Trainer jet” thing.
that’s been airing here in ohio, along with another one….
one thing i haven’t heard mentioned which i noticed…..obama says his ‘i approve of this message’ at the beginning of the commercials, that’s a new one.
Nice ad – this “house” thing has been a gold mine for Obama and they have played it well.
Coors advertising at demo convention thats a hoot.
Pete Coors ran against Ken Salazaar for senate.
That is what new pilots learn to fly in. In some the instructor sits behind the student in some the instructor is next to the student. The instructor is actually in charge of the plane but the student flies it until the student is qualified to fly solo.
yep, coors big repubs…..
that’s a fox twist, they were doing a report on the convention, guy there supposed to help people ‘get the flavor’ of denver……1st thing he does is shoot to a tour of the coors plant and the video won’t work, so, he gives a tour of the empty but for workers convention site…what’s that thing christy says? bwaaaaaah.
and can’t find the link, but heads of media interviewed/surbeyed, and about 19% admitted exchanging ‘news’ stories for ad revenue…..
that’s why i said they’re gonna have to give back some money.
Check this video out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVi4rUzf-0Q
Nice. ;-)
mike at 172–and now i can’ tchange the channel cuz i want to see how they squeeze that coors footage in somehow…..you can bet it’s a priority right now…producers are sceamin’ and creamin’ the video guy/girl right now, you can bet.
man, we are STILL using “electronic” voting machines and somebody here expects us to WIN?
HOW IS IS POSSIBLE we have not gotten these OFF the market?
as if
and “paper record” does nothing, most people don’t check which vote registered and even if they do they won’t make a stink thinking it was their own fault
why the HELL aren’t we using mechanical machines, it is UNACEPTABLE that we can’t make machines that produce no hanging chad and can be confirmed by the voter before they drop
here’s my design;
the voting card is isolated in a glass viewing area, it is punched by machine
THAT card is first approved or disaproved by the voter and THAT card is dropped to be counted if the voter approves it
if the card is unreadable the machine informs the voter and they cast their vote again, AFTER that card is shredded in front of the voter
there. that’s a REAL electronic voting machine we can rely on
How bout simple paper ballots- you vote and put it in a machine called a “ballot box”
goose pimples…..
thanks.
break over in a minute, bbl.
oh man, now they’re talking about biden’s family’s accident….geez.
rep van hollen quoted as saying biden knows how to get through tough times.
and about his son soon to be reporting to iraq.
obama on the ground now in springfield.
i’m kinda forgetting this is fox..ooops, nope, it is, obama’s rock star college appearances, can mccain draw? disappointing pick for vp, can’t possible be message for change, obama very concerned about his lack of foreign policy….mccain staying foucused , don’t kow for a fact, but i believe—why he’s attracting the youth vote especially after this past week-wow, i can’t imagine having to do that on the air, describe rotten possum and give out recipes………no coors video yet.
next–biden’s own words praising mccain and not obama……rich…i’m sure biden will be able to articulate what he meant.
bbl
Fantastic
I’ve got goose pimples too after watching that video. ;-)
Paper trail for a recount?
The only way they can win by stealing using the machines is if it’s a close race. Only a landslide victory will make it impossible for them to steal!
And we will know they’ve stolen it when the exit polls have voters going 7 to 1 for Barack on election night and then the next morning we wake up to a McCain/Bush victory.
perris-
did you see this?
hans von spakovsky is now on the committee overseeing elections.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpoi….._hires.php
here’s one from last nov, more details.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpoi…..004661.php
the second link explains how a large percentage of voters could be ineligible….if he has his way….
this should be screamed from the rooftops, and i have, in letters.
Ohio is the key to this election. Dems control the gov’s office and the secy of state’s office. They are in charge- if the goops steal an election out from under their noses- maybe the deserve to lose.
salazar on fox.
that leaves, judges, prosecutors, etc……….
time to further along the chore train……
The attorney general is (supposedly) a dem also- so she will control the prosecutions if any.
Greg Palast wrote about uncovering some voter manipulations at:
Obama doesn’t sweat he should
John McShame – does he remember what he stood for last year
Next year will he remember what he stands for today.
Todays ticker – latest stock market quotes and J Mc latest stands
Fox pandering to Coors beer at the moment (as noted they would do above on this thread)! LOL!
Last week at the Aspen institute, McCain stated he wanted to reopen the 1922 water rights treaty between CO and several down stream states and ignited a firestorm. Even the Repug senate cand. said hell no, since then McShame has reversed his position.
That’s an unusually good piece on bloggers going to the conventions in the news box. :-)
Alan Grayson here for Blue America. This is the dude who is singlehandedly fighting against the war profiteers. Great guy – join us.
Greg Palast wrote about uncovering some voter manipulations at:
*Everyone* here should read Palast’s Armed Madhouse.
The sections on voter fraud are terrifying.
Yeah, what she said!
Honest–great comment.
read the second link at 185..nothing to prosecute if people can’t vote to begin with and it’s legal…
i’m in ohio, and there’s still stuff goin’ on here, don’t know ‘how’ she is yet.
tbear, thanks for the link.
ok, gotta get some stuff done, be back in a little while.
one more thing—and i think florida is the state that’s gonna screw people voter-registration wise.
and the next thread has grayson from florida on…..
i’ll look in in a while.
bbl
*bbl*
Wouldja just GO already?!!11!!11!
;~P
you’re just mad ya missed me.
: P
bbl
This should really be looked into, but the guy’s political and another candidate already got burned this way this year. The important research will involve tracking down who did the McCain’s laundry, housecleaning, grass mowing, pool cleaning etc. in the past ten years or so. Live interviews would be good. If there are tracks to find, the McCain’s will have tried to cover them. Cindy Hensley’s father got his start under the auspices of organized crime and got some heat for bootlegging booze beyond what he was allowed to sell after prohibition ended. The Hensley company has fought hard, and successfully to prevent any increase in excise tax on alcohol even though Arizona’s tax is 16% less than elsewhere and the money was to be used for pediatric hospital beds in the state. This company has been a cash cow and they are used to “dealing” with uncomfortable truths. I’d like to see a real investigation done on this.
Not criticizing, just clarifying, but I would bet my last dollar in Vegas that the picture is of a Banksy
john at 205-when you click on the link at top, takes you to this page.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jcodysimms/246024262/
photo also attributed to/owned by banksy site.
you win. go cash in your quarters.