I hope we haven't forgotten what the Republicans did to John Kerry in 2004. While the Democrats weirdly operated under a "no Bush-bashing" rule -- after weeks of concern trolling about how voters were tired of negative attacks -- the Republicans waited for their turn and watched the Dems week-long lovefest. And then they promptly spent their week tearing Kerry's face off.
While it was rare to hear the word "Bush" at the Democratic convention, the Republicans made their convention an auto de fe for Kerry.
Rudy:
When Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait in 1990, John Kerry voted against the Persian Gulf War. Later he said he actually supported the war. Then in 2002, as he was calculating his run for President, he voted for the war in Iraq. And then just 9 months later, he voted against an $87 billion supplemental budget to fund the war and support our troops.
He even, at one point, declared himself an anti-war candidate. Now, he says he's pro-war. At this rate, with 64 days left, he still has time to change his position at least three or four more times.
My point about John Kerry being inconsistent is best described in his own words when he said, "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it." Maybe this explains John Edwards' need for two Americas - - one where John Kerry can vote for something and another where he can vote against the same thing.
Even in this post-9/11 period, Senator Kerry doesn't appear to understand how the world has changed. He talks about leading a "more sensitive war on terror," as though Al Qaeda will be impressed with our softer side.
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On Iraq, Senator Kerry has disagreed with many of his fellow Democrats. But Senator Kerry's liveliest disagreement is with himself. His back-and- forth reflects a habit of indecision, and sends a message of confusion. And it is all part of a pattern. He has, in the last several years, been for the No Child Left Behind Act -- and against it. He has spoken in favor of the North American Free Trade Agreement -- and against it. He is for the Patriot Act -- and against it. Senator Kerry says he sees two Americas. It makes the whole thing mutual -- America sees two John Kerrys.
George W. Bush says what he means, he means what he says, you can trust him. Senator Kerry, on the other hand… Well, what can we say of Senator Kerry?
He was for the war and then he was against the war. Then he was for it but he wouldn’t fund it. Then he’d fund it but he wasn’t for it.
He was for the Patriot Act until he was against it. Or was he against it until he was for it?
I forget. He probably does too.
This is a candidate who has to Google his own name to find out where he stands.
John Kerry remains the personal injury lawyers' best friend. George Bush will put the interests of patients, doctors and nurses first.
But this requires strong leadership. Now, Senator Kerry's leadership is illustrated best by the Senator himself when he said, "I actually voted for the 87 billion dollars before I voted against it."
He also recently said that he doesn't want to use the word "war" to describe our efforts to fight terrorism.
Well, ladies and gentlemen, I don't want to use the words "commander in chief" to describe John Kerry.
And to those critics who are so pessimistic about our economy, I say: "Don't be economic girlie men!"
This is just a small sample. And of course, we all remember Zell.
What was the result of all this? Combined with the Swift Boat attacks, it was devastating. The Republicans spent a week in primetime bashing Kerry and reinforcing the negative attacks of Rove's campaign -- and Kerry never recovered.
Take a look at who's speaking at this year's RNCC. Same crowd. Do you think it's going to be any different?
Let's hope the Democrats learned their lesson.
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Who could forget?
Probably not in my lifetime.
That said, a week of bashing the Rethugs I would watch.
Who’s got the cojones to start it off? No, no, ya gotta already be on the list of speakers.
Democrats learning lessons from experience? Not likely. I hope I’m wrong.
Those fat, stupid pigs with their fu*kin purple bandaids with their smug ass faces all over the tube. Forget hell!
Payback’s a m******f*****.
Make a good picture for a dartboard, wouldn’t it?
Such diversity in that video! The modern GOP in all its KKKness.
I have seen no evidence tht the Dems are up to meeting this sort of fight.
Most of the “leaders” of the Democratic Party and Congress.
Ever seen the Jane Fonda urinal stickers. . .probably not huh?
Never than at the moment Zell Miller flecked the GOP microphone with spittle was I more sure of victory in 2004.
Attention must be paid.
I’ve still got one put away. There was a time that the urinals at VA Bay Pines mysteriously sported them.
Not many have adequate insomnia to watch the political conventions—SNORE- so I’m not sure how many are converted by the stale as last year’s cigar smoke rhetoric- but hell why NOT attack. It’s mostly your own party listening- and they LOVE it.
OT Just got an e-mail from David Ploufe. Jumped to see what and it was a send more $
Wonder if she and John Voight get together and talk about old times on the movie set?
Are they doing a new movie
As you say…probably not, since they’re not in the same camp. :)
Hey, you, how ya doin’?
salon.com:
She has certainly used the time since the invasion of Irak to attempt to redeem herself with the VN vets. Ain’t gonna happen.
no, he played the role of Ron Kovic in “coming home”. I was being ironic given his Nazi leanings these days.
I suppose this yet another explanation for Kerry’s defeat, but if it’s true, then the Dems prospects look bleak indeed for the foreseeable future.
The fact of the matter was, Kerry was promoted ahead of others more worthy by the same clowns who’ve now taken over Obama’s campaign. Look for a threepeat, this November, unless Obama’s campaign undergoes a sea change ere long.
Yea, well, we ain’t exactly in the Mensa society in that cohort huh?
remember the Maine!
I’ve met them both. Nothing alike.
So, the sabbatical was good for you?
LOL. We just don’t understand.
Yeah. I hear you.
It taught me I was spending wayyyy to much time and energy here.
Moderation in all things is something I’m still learning.
Bet ya lurked, tho, right? Truth?
I know that a lot of people, myself included, are happy to see your name in the comment section.
the Dems will kiss the snake handlers’ asses so hard their lips will get bruised. How much ya wanna bet?
Yo! Raven.
When you gots the time we likes experiencing your energy.
Great to see you!
;~D
hope you washed it first.
Evening, all…Blue Texan, I think you’ve given the DNC some excellent tactical advice, and I hope they take it.
BTW, that video of the Republicans gleefully, mockingly, waving their purple-heart bandages should be prominently featured in a TV ad that specifically addresses how the Republicans have treated veterans, and how much they honor your service if you don’t agree with them.
Great to see you, Raven.
Because of security reasons, it’s doubtful that key rings will be allowed, imo, but that would be a good comeback to Kerry’s band aid. Actually nothing is a good come back to the attack they did on Kerry. Kerry was a true war hero and the republicans spit on him.
salut, Raven
Huffington has a story up about Chet Edwards- Pelosi’s pick to be Veep.
Obama is said to have told Nancy that she “would be pleased” with his choice.
hey, quit callin’ raven salut!!!!
he is not!
heh
Not to get all teary but I have really been stunned by the nice comments I have gotten when I have posted the last couple of days.
Brand new, silly. Who do ya think put ‘em in the urinals?
purple band aides?
let’s not forget pier 57 either. (pdf report)
OT; Susan Eisenhower has quit Republican party. A short read, and worth it. Hope KO or someone picks up on it.
http://www.nationalinterest.or.....x?id=19618
Well you’re important to us.
A good come back is to point it out, remind, explain it in plain language to people, so they know they’ve been played.
Truth, screamed loud and long, without fear, is the best comeback.
The great thing about Chet Edwards is that he has great name recognition in wherever the hell he is from.
not to be confused with salaud!
texas
yeah, but what about that love-child?
Some of us veteran burn and stir troops?
I agree. If every speaker spoke about the republican convention spitting on a vietnam vet by mocking his service to the country and pointing out that we are better than that, than maybe it would defuse their convention. It wouldn’t stop it but it would make people insensitive to it.
My governor, Ahnold - “economic girlie men” It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so sad that our state budget it now two months late and has a $15 billion deficit.
What a joke!
raven! we missed you! so very, very nice to see back.
Yeah, them.
Not sure the spitting on vets tact is a winner for dems.
Them? Try us! xmas day 68 I drew it. 20 gallons of gas, 20 diesel, a gas mack and some cambodian red!
David Brooks on the NewsHour being an absolute f*cker. He pooh-poohs Springfield, Illinois then talks up Joe Biden because of his working class roots. I know Joe Biden with his hair plugs and bloviating demeanor screams working class for me. Then he moves on to how Obama went astray when he didn’t accept public financing. Says nothing about McCain’s dubious campaign loan. Says McCain is a regular guy despite his 7 houses. Hurts Obama more bringing it up, blah, blah, blah. Speaking of blah, Shields was also there mumbling something.
Raven, I’ve never been politically correct so I’ll leave it to the DNC to clear up. Is anyone watching Hardball?
Ohhhhhhh, (note to self-don’t misspell salad when in mexico!!!)
that was a good one pun..
5 pts.
Great. So when are you leaving again?
;)
till rat face comes on
soon
from wikipedia:
told ya you were really missed.
Hardball is saying that McCain got a competency test when he was asked about his homes. He said that is a question that stroke victims would be asked. Chris also brought up the Czech Republic, Sunni, Shia items and said the ad is not about his wealth but his memory.
don’t you dare leave !
God I hate Tweety. He’s saying those aren’t really McCain’s homes. “You mean they have pajamas in them? And toothpaste?”
Sounds like a maverick.
Welcome back raven.
I hope more than a few humble firedogs consider apologizing to fdl (CHS *cough*) for accusing them of plucking ravens commenting feathers.
Huh? Obama and David Axelrod ran Kerry’s campaign? Obama was the hand-picked candidate of the DLC dominated DemocratIC Party?
Not sure I’m followin ya, since one of the main reasons I eventually got behind Obama was that Bob Shrum and the usual suspects like Carville or Mark Penn were nowhere to be found in Camp Obama.
Behind Barack and Michelle, it seems like Axelrod and Plouffe are running the show.
Funny one Blue Texan.
Compare the GOOPERS headlining their convention to the Dem All-Stars. Can’t wait to hear Bayhhh, Biden, Governor Whatshername from Kansas and Daschle mumble on primetime and half the country will be switching over to watch Flip This House on The Learning Channel.
Sometimes even tweety does a good job.
Chet Edwards looks a lot like Evan Bayh but without Bayh’s charisma.
aaand right on schedule, this week’s Friday bank closing by the FDIC.
No one gets left behind.
You’re asking the Democrats to fight back. They never do. They never will. They’re Beyond Pathetic.
No, he’s saying they’re really just investment properties so it’s OK to have so many of them. Like McCain’s still a regular guy.
Wow, Christy had nothing to do with it. I have always respected her and when she has had the need to ask me to cool it I have. I just needed to back off and I wasn’t going to do some drama queen bullshit like some of our alums.
Edwards voted in favor of the 2003 invasion of Iraq.[14] He voted for the Defense of Marriage Act and supports a Constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.[15] He has opposed Federal limits on abortion, including the 2003 Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act.
And this is Nancy Pelosi’s favorite?
Somewhere in the 2006 hoopla of gaining the majorities and having the first female Speaker, I think we failed to notice that Ms. Pelosi is a fucking Republican.
At the very least, it seems to me, it would draw a total picture of the hypocracy of putting John McShame on a pedestal the following election after you spent so much time ripping Kerry apart! I want them to verbally go for McShame’s throat this time! (That’s a figure of speech, don’t get excited!)
It sure ain’t a winner with me. Jesus, there’s so much shit to throw at this guy and so many want to dwell on shit he did 40 years ago. I’m seeing this crash crap again. Maybe the guy was a shitty pilot. Plenty of mediocre pilots in the military. Not everybody’s Top Gun.
you think maybe a little too mavericky for obama? wouldn’t want to go too far with this change thing - might scare voters.
With all the delay and drama being built up about the VP choice, I’m really thinking it’s going to be a big name and surprise. The last thing they’d want is for 75% of the text message receivers to let out a collective, “Who’s that?!?” Sebelius or Kaine would do that. I can’t imagine the O-man’s campaign doesn’t realize this.
It’s gotta be Gore or Howard Dean. Although, after watching some vids recently of MT Gov Schweitzer, he’s so dynamic and down-homesy that he could probably rally people right away, even if they don’t know him. We’ll know soon enough.
He wasn’t asked about homes. He was asked how many houses he owns. No reference to how many properties, either, as a matter of fact, so the medical centers wouldn’t count either. Just living quarter type properties. I consider condos houses for all intents and purposes. I would also include houses that they rent out.
No doubt Nancy will speak at the convention and tell us how much the Dems have done for us since 2006. I can hardly wait /s
And Bayh looks alot like Edwards with boyish smile, slim face, and wispy hair. Why do they all look alike?
…but without Bayh’s charisma. LOL
hard to imagine a greate rcharisma vacuum.
humble firedogs???
First, you have to find them…
He wasn’t asked about homes. He was asked how many houses he owns.
Still not a distinction that an awful lot of people have to stop to think about…
From Pat Lang
“In restive Diyala Province, United States and Iraqi military officials say there were orders to arrest hundreds of members of what is known as the Awakening movement as part of large security operations by the Iraqi military. At least five senior members have been arrested there in recent weeks, leaders of the groups say.
West of Baghdad, former insurgent leaders contend that the Iraqi military is going after 650 Awakening members, many of whom have fled the once-violent area they had kept safe. While the crackdown appears to be focused on a relatively small number of leaders whom the Iraqi government considers the most dangerous, there are influential voices to dismantle the American backed movement entirely.
With Obama’s difficulty in sealing the deal with many groups and the closeness of the polls, Hillary Clinton *cringing here* would be a better choice. Although if I could choose anyone and ignore the politics, I would pick Dick Durbin or Chris Dodd.
I know, and thought so at the time, nevertheless, though no fault of your own.. the fdl crew took an unwarranted flogging.
Thanks for making it clear to everyone.
Tweety is covering the timeline now.
Is she on the list of speakers? If so, shit.
Evan Bayh, like catching Indiana moonshine in a bottle: 12-proof milque-toast
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No doubt Nancy will speak at the convention and tell us how much the Dems have done for us since 2006.
Shortest. Speech. Ever.
I really don’t know but I can’t imagine that she won’t speak. I mean, after all, she is important and serious.
but she’s worked hard for over a year and a half to disabuse us of our initial enthusiasm. gotta admire a work ethic like that.
Are you visiting Main & Central at all? CTuttle has had excellent posts on the disaster that keeps on taking.
Soltz is doing a terrible job answering Tweety’s question about this. He sounds uninformed.
Ahem.
Aw hell. I agree.
McInsane should buy a house in Baghdad since he enjoys shopping there so much. Perhaps Private Jet Sindy could charge some rugs? It could be considered a campaign expense.
Damn. Watching the Zell Miller vid reminds what freakin freakshow Repube conventions are (no offense to freaks). And they Ghouliani doing the keynote?!? The biggest flameout in modern campaign history?!?
I got her serious swingin’.
Change without change is not only the new maverickness but kind of Zen.
Oh, this punk says we lost in Vietnam because we lost the will.
hmm, nope
And about the difference between leadership and advocacy.
What, did Soltz starting drinkin’ the Kool-aid?
This charter flight from Chicago arrives in New Castle Delaware in less than five minutes. (h/t Steve Clemons)
I see that as someone, probably Petraeus and/or Odierno, has made a calculation that the Sunni Awakening has outlived its usefulness. Evidently, with the areas under the SA considered pacified, they feel they can now rid themselves of some troublesome allies, which were probably always considered temporary in the first place.
It sounds like a knife in the back to the Sunni Awakening. Someone is gambling that it will be fatal.
The biggest flameout in modern campaign history?!?
I don’t know that that’s fair.
It wasn’t so much a flame-out as it was forgetting that a fire needed to be started at some point.
He has yet to explain how we “win” Iraq.
Mod note: Please select one name and stick with it. Thanks.
Check it out. Main & Central
oh, pardon me. I didn’t mean to impugn good local moonshine!