So, John McCain went to sleep last night -- in which of his many luxury houses, you ask? Dunno, and neither does he. Neither does his campaign:
McCain's campaign says the Arizona senator has four residences: condos in Phoenix, Arlington, Va., and Coronado, Calif., and a house in Sedona, Ariz. All are owned by his wife, Cindy, and their children, who also own eight other residential properties. Those include four other houses at the 15-acre Sedona spread and four more condos, according to real estate records and the senator's financial disclosure reports. The dozen properties are worth more than $10 million, current assessments show.
So now it's maybe TWELVE houses? Look, McCain people, this isn't rocket science: how many houses -- TOTAL -- does McCain own at this point in time?
All that jetting back and forth on the Sugar Momma Express while sipping Tom Collins can make things fuzzy, I'm sure. Not anywhere near as difficult as this:
You have $25 left in the bank, you owe last months' rent, you've just been laid off from your job because the plant is moving to India. Timmy is sick and needs $120 medicine. All you have in the house to eat is a small box of cheerios and stale Tic Tacs. Your children's father -- your cheating, mid-life-crisis-in-a-big-way ex -- didn't show up for his visitation...again...which means no child support check...again. And now the kids are crying because daddy forgot them and didn't bother to call. What do you do?
And, no, "Buzz the concierge and have them pick up my usual from The Palm." is not an option.
It's not that I begrudge the McCains their success. (YouTube) Working your ass off to leave your family in a better financial position than your parents? It's the American dream, isn't it? I know I'd love for us to do that for The Peanut.
But pretending you are an average guy when you decidedly are not? Prancing around in Ferragamo loafers at a discount shopper photo-op while you try to paint your political opponent as an "elitist," then climbing in your wife's private jet to tra la to one of your four six seven eight twelve (?!?) houses for the night while your staff snickers over arugula?
That just makes you a manipulative hypocrite.
Frankly, my friend, we have had way too much fake brush hog cowboy in an oily veneer to last us all a lifetime. Bush and Cheney's crony policies and deceptive political operatives were bad enough, Americans don't need more McSame.
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This is one of the more fun political debates we have had recently. Hope we get snoopers interested in proving that McBush lied on his latest Senate disclosure statement- which seems likely.
Hiya Christy.
Hi Christy, When do you go to Colorado?
You know, I could not have cared less about this until the McCain people started blustering around, sputtering “arugula” as if that were a coherent response on the fact that McCain doesn’t even know his own family’s assets. Hello…I live in WV, and we have it in our local grocery stores. It’s a vegetable, get over it. But not knowing how many houses you own? That’s just sad.
Does McCain click the heels of his Ferragamos and repeat, “There’s no place like homes, there’s no place like homes,”?
I will get there on Sunday. Am trying to pack in between checking e-mails and hanging out with The Peanut, because I have to head up tot he airport a day early — I have a really early flight on Sunday morning.
I hope that some one keeps tabs of the menus at the GOOPER thing in MN
Just remember John. . .
There is a developing issue about McBush’s memory and general mental condition that should be taken VERY SERIOUSLY but this “house” flap is mosly of interest because the McBush people thought that they could get away scott free by labeling Obama an elitist when the McBush confederacy is worth $100mm.
The laughable counterclaim that Obama lives in a million dollar mansion in Chicago is pretty fuckin weak.
The Page is saying the VP could be Chet Edwards. Not sure that I would be to happy about that.
He took a nine-car motorcade into Sedona for a cup of coffee? That’s just…not Arizonan.
I think McBush is going to give up on the wealthy “elitist” claim and try to paint Obama as an out of touch college professor.
Remembering is hard work. Poor old John and did you know he was a POW
No one knows who its going to be at this point. And I’ve heard that from a number of folks who are very plugged in…so take anything you read until the official announcement with a giant grain of salt.
Cindy must have needed the jet for shopping.
This morning the LA Times reported that McC went to Starbucks and ordered a large cappucino (which is germaine how?). Seems, the media plans to pile it on.
Yes, because heaven forbid we should have a president who actually thinks. Look how well Bush has worked for us by not thinking. *cough*
Yeah
I want to see the McBush campaign put together a complete list of POW rights:
1) Right to lie with impunity
2) Right to immunity from criticism
3) Right to more money that most small countries could ever eat while still bein called a regular guy.
etc.
saw that 2 weeks ago . . .at the time it was coming from the Entrenched/Cocktail Weenie Axis, believe it was Pelosi with a statement.
I’m not thrilled either - but he satisfies the Uneasy Geezer demo/National Security needs
You mean they didn’t take Cindy’s jet
Someone at Kos coined the term “Cappucino Conservative”. Sounds like a winner.
-G
this is pretty good stuff and I’m surprised nobody thought of it before;
The GOP’s anti-intellectual meme might not be in the foreground but it never goes away entirely. Look at the wingnut interpretation of the Saddleback Forum, nuanced answer = bad. Republicans oppose all taxes, that includes taxing voters’ brains.
It is very dangerous for people to think without the proper equipment. For McBush it may be a 911 moment.
Yea, the American Dream
How can alcohol be blamed for 100,000 deaths each year?
# 5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are attributed to alcohol.
# 15% of all deaths from diseases of the respiratory system are attributed to alcohol.
# 30% of all deaths from accidents caused by fire and flames are attributed to alcohol.
# 30% of all accidental drownings are attributed to alcohol.
# 30% of all suicides are attributed to alcohol.
# 40% of all deaths due to accidental falls are attributed to alcohol.
# 45% of all deaths in automobile accidents are attributed to alcohol.
# 60% of all homicides are attributed to alcohol.
You know I’m getting pretty tired of hearing people describe John McCain’s assets as Cindy’s houses, Cindy’s jet. John McCain has been married to Miss Budweiser for 28 years, any prenup would no longer be enforceable.
Unless Arizona has some remarkable laws in place, this property is equally his. That makes John McCain a $50 million dollar man, or is my math wrong?
Sugar momma and her Bud.
so now the robber barons and anarchists who call themselves “libertarians” have cooped the republican party
great
Hey! Good to see ya!
Oh, and sorry I’m in and out a bit with the thread, gang - trying to pack and pull together The Peanut’s school backpack supplies for while momma is gone next week.
When asked how many homes he owns, McCain repilied: I’ll have my butler get back to you on that.
-G
Hi Redd
It could get confusing if you consider all the doghouses, greenhouses, bathhouses, dollhouses, birdhouses, guesthouses, cathouses, poolhouses, outhouses, brewhouses, lighthouses, playhouses, clubhouses, firehouses, henhouses, etc., that might be in the Hensley-McCain dynasty’s financial empire.
It obviously depends on what the definition of houses is.
Amen, Christy! Great post! Now I have to go try to unstick something that got stuck in my garbage disposal. Hope I didn’t kill the disposal ‘cuz I sure can’t afford to replace it. Gee, maybe I should ask McBush if he could do that for one of his constituents that is too poor to afford to fix the garbage disposal or the frozen ceiling fan when it goes bad! He has plenty of money to spare.
Cindy says she won’t rest until she has a stake in ALL causes of premature death. Getting her warmonger hubby elected would put her closer to that goal.
“Oh, Smedley, be a dear boy and get that information for them. Chop, chop.”
and Roach Motels.
Goopers on the one hand actively DEPLORE the strawman of moral relativity–but they have constructed a much cruder character one might call “the democracy of opinion”. In this world- anyone’s opinion is as good as anyone else’s- and the opinion of someone who has actually studied and learned something about the subject is actually worth LESS than that of a yahoo who just heard it from Rush.
This is no accident..Gooperness cannot survive the light of informed investigation
Among things that would disappear:
voodoo economics
the 5,000 year old universe
the myths of security through outspending the world on military hardware
the success of no child left behind
the idea that “global warming” is an invention of a few radical university professors
the thought that if americans don’t bend over to the demand of big oil, they’ll have to walk to work
etc.
And Mitt Romney told Michigan he wasn’t going to rest until their economy is brought back. He really looks sleep deprived
I’ve been thinking it would be a serious hoot if we could get a few blonde girlies to show up at McCain events in french maid outfits and sporting drink trays. You know, so he has the comforts of home following him everywhere. To every single event. Kind of a homey touch…
you forgot this one;
“if we haven’t figured out how something works, then a grand wizard did it and you are not allowed to say he did not”
I like that one
I like it- can you find a nice illustration?
isn’t obama anouncing some time today?
me wonders if anyone has a good idea who it’s gonna be so I don’t bite my tongue when I hear it
Who could have predicted Michigan’s economy would be harder to wrangle than the SLOC?
yeppers, that’s the weak ass shit his defenders are bringing. never mind they are treading perilously close to Sugar Mama territory, they are back out in force, fer goodness sakes, they were freepin’ the Christian Science Monitor this morning
. . .and what about Obama sponsoring infanticide in Illinois ?!?!?
yes, a nice illustration, this sounds like the best idea all day
Don’t you mean, “freedom-maid” outfits?
Hi Christy and Pups. CHS, I hope you have a wonderful time in Denver.
Looks like you’ll be in good company. Democracy Now will broadcast for two
hours. I think Comedy Central’s Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert will also
be there. Maybe you’ll have some fun if you run into them.
Also, from today’s Democracy Now, a new film about Katrina will be opening
tonight in NYC and Los Angeles, for full release in Sept. I think the title
is “Trouble the Waters” and I hope it gets publicity. The timing is perfect.
We can’t let the Rs off he hook on their negligence. And Holy Joe’s
committee that - I believe - didn’t do much investigating. This will be
news again during the RN Convention.
They gave the kids houses? Doesn’t that make them something like a TRUSTAFARIAN?
Counterculturalist “Maverick” Meghan McCain at home
Just so long as it isn’t Evan Bayh, I’ll at least have a better chance of not popping an aneurysm…
Lookin’ like Biden, imo. Not necessarily bad, ’cause he’d be a pretty good attack dog and would cover Obama’s back pretty well, I think.
Hate the loss of a D Senator, though.
I hear Vicki Iseman is available.
New post
need a traffic cop?
I christen thee, the Flying WASP
http://profile.myspace.com/ind.....=179891705
Since McBush is a regular guy- maybe those should be serving wenches rather than french maids—-or contendors in a tee shirt contest holding bottles of foul budweiser beer.
Just a quick drive-by (need to finish a sermon for Sunday today)
But Josh Marshall picked up on a very unlikely surrogate defending McLame on his multiplex of homes. Robin Leach.
It doesn’t get much better than that.
I just read greenwald, good stuff, he points out a number of quotes of concervatives when it came to kerry, this is my favorite from ann coulter;
Cindy is too high to remember how many houses she has, so it isn’t just John!
eau de bud in every gift bag
just for you
Raven! Good to see you!
Yes..and Cindy McCain, along with her father, have done this by what amounts to dealing drugs. It’s not one of those evil, untaxed drugs, though, so we’ll call it something else, and treat it as respectable. How about “beer distributor?”
I wonder how MADD feels about the possibility of having a beer dealer in the White House?
What kinda president owns stock in a company that puts corn and RICE in their fuckin BEER?
It’s un-fuckin-american I tell ya!
And Obama was talking to arugula farmers at the time, so it made lots of sense.
Christy, I like Sugar Momma, but I believe that sometimes wives leave husbands behind as well.
I wonder how MADD feels about the possibility of having a beer dealer in the White House?
eggsellent!
The association of beer distributors has, strangely, long been one of the top five financial supporters of gooperness.
beer should contain malted barley, hops, water, and yeast
take out a magnifying glass and see what they put in budweiser!
Colorado’s last Senate candidate was Pete Coors (04)
When bud got bought- it’s barley suppliers were in a tiz- worried that the new owners would actually switch to brewing barley rather than the cheap shit they throw into bud.
They will save the good stuff for the Cuban beer
*looks for wealthy beutiful girl to marry*
The ”Sedona Estate” is in CORNVILLE, Arizona, about 10 miles southwest of Sedona.
They do — it wasn’t meant to be a “one size fits all example” story. Not in the least.
Is Arizona a Community property state? I do not know.
Also I think she can protect alot of property + its earnings that she received as inheritance.
and i callbullkakey that the Sedona 15 ACRE COMPOUND is worth 1.6 million
Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha
bullshit! more like 10x that
Hohohoho…. yelled outside of parents rental condo window in a very small town in Oregon…..
guy #1 - “Isn’t McCain something”
guy #2 - “ya, when he can’t remember how many homes he owns….ha ha ha”
And he was a poor student, so thinking/memory have not worked well for a long time.
the kid has an unlimited AMEX card and charges 50 thousand dollars PER MONTH…i shit you not
Their credit card bills peaked between January 2007 and May 2008, during which time Cindy McCain charged as much as $500,000 in a single month on one American Express card and $250,000 on another, while one of their two dependent children had an AmEx card with a monthly balance as large as $50,000.
It is a community property law state AND common law state….. which means these are all joint assets ….
Florence?
Just got back from there- not a McBush sign in town that I could find.
And something about Ferragamos, please
Well they’re not joint assets if they were owned prior to marriage and never comingled (I believe).
excellant stuff here, let’s hope the democrats punish the media when they say otherwise
Out of time, out of touch
Just thought it was funny that the minute I was reading this post these two guys walked by under my window…. I love the anti-war protests here every Sunday…. a bunch of folks gather at THE big intersection and walk from corner to corner with their peace signs & banners….
What happens if a trust buys a house
someone mentioned on another thread the pre nup should have some kind of time limitation and becomes invalid
I read somewhere in the last few days that most of these properties were bought in the last 5-6 years. Any AZ legal beagles out there in the know?
they were not……he has been married to her for 298 years iiirc
yes…
hahahahaha
that was 28 years …..
A prenup MIGHT have an expiration date- but I doubt if many do.
The issue of the status of property brought to the marriage without co-mingling is not a prenup issue anyway I don’t believe.
I don’t mean one written into the contract, I mean a statatory limitation
If she purchased with separate assets, the homes would stay separate, however.
Cindy made a fortune (another one) when they allowed beer into the Indian casinos…as part of McCain’s 1988 Indian Gaming Act.
What is community property?
There are nine community property states - Arizona, California, Idaho, Louisiana, Nevada, New Mexico, Texas, Washington and Wisconsin. In addition, Puerto Rico is a community property jurisdiction.
These states generally regard as community property all property that has been acquired during the marriage, other than a gift or inheritance. Even if one spouse earns all the money to acquire the property, all the property acquired is considered to be community property. While there are a number of differences in each state, all states have special laws that operate on the theory that both spouses contribute equally to the marriage; thus all property acquired during the marriage is the result of the combined efforts of both spouses. In community property jurisdictions, spouses equally own all community property (fifty percent owned by the husband and fifty percent owned by the wife).
(notice that community property is only property acquired DURING the marriage)
More info on another McCain house….This one was bought so that McCain lived in the congressional district he was running from….. hmmmmm just north of where I live….. surely I’ve driven right by this place….
Tempe homeowners own piece of McCain history
Somehow I don’t think that a homeowner in the liberal bastion of Tempe would brag that McCain slept here…
I’ve never heard of such a limitation- do you happen to have a link?
no, it was mentioned downstairs on a thread but I just did a search and all I can find is that prenupts expire at the birth of a child or by contract, not by other stature
from what I can find it looks like there is no time constraint unless there is a child
http://solari.com/blog/?p=1137
listing of mccain holdings/senate disclosure statement
and a link to obama’s
sadlyyes at 77—i keep wondering why noone explores that soem of those purchases are ones that should be coming from the campaign funds.
Not in every state — each state’s laws are different and it depends on in which state the prenup was signed as to what is controlling in terms of limitations. Most don’t expire unless otherwise written into the prenup itself — it’s a negotiated bit. Generally what happens on the birth of the child is that the prenup details don’t apply in terms of child support — because you cannot contractually limit the child’s rights to property or other support before that child is born, since you don’t know the circumstances (e.g. health issues, developmental delays, monetary gain of one or the both parents, etc., that might arise between entry into the prenup and birth of a child) — so it doesn’t apply to kids, but it is generally enforceable as to adults who negotiate and enter into the agreement themselves, depending on how it is written, the terms of the agreement and applicable state law in which all marital/estate property is owned.
There are a LOT of things that go into the negotiation of something like that — which is why lawyers who do them are highly specialized in tax code as well as domestic law knowledge — but, fwiw, I have never heard of a provision requiring the prenup to expire outright on the birth of a child without that being specifically negotiated within the individual agreement itself. At least not here in WV.
But YMMV depending on your own state’s law and that of other states in which property may be held. And, as always, the standard disclaimer of this is not legal advice, consult an attorney in your own jurisdiction for how this may or may not apply to the individual facts in your individual situation, yadda yadda yadda.
cellar at 8–thanks. that was a good one.
man. dusty could sing.
And yet some universities are calling for a reduction in the drinking age.
Does this make you think they want to kill off a generation of potentially dedicated Democratic voters?
Is this what McCain plans for all of America?
Beer for everyone. Lower the drinking age. No ‘Death Taxes’.
Lovely.