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	<title>Comments on: FDL Suggestion Box:  What To Do About Lieberman?</title>
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		<title>By: Pyre</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/21/fdl-suggestion-box-what-to-do-about-lieberman/#comment-1590988</link>
		<dc:creator>Pyre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 01:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There’s precedent for President and VP coming from different parties: Lincoln/Johnson.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think poetic justice would be: McCain chooses someone other than Lieberman as VP and wins, Lieberman loses his next election, and McCain comforts him: “Don’t worry, old buddy, I’m going to appoint you Ambassador to Czechoslovakia!”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(or: “… put you in charge of peacekeepers on the Iraq-Pakistan border.”)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There’s precedent for President and VP coming from different parties: Lincoln/Johnson.</p>
<p>I think poetic justice would be: McCain chooses someone other than Lieberman as VP and wins, Lieberman loses his next election, and McCain comforts him: “Don’t worry, old buddy, I’m going to appoint you Ambassador to Czechoslovakia!”</p>
<p>(or: “… put you in charge of peacekeepers on the Iraq-Pakistan border.”)</p>
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		<title>By: Audrey</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/21/fdl-suggestion-box-what-to-do-about-lieberman/#comment-1590944</link>
		<dc:creator>Audrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, since Obama ordered supporters/donors to defund all his “surrogates” that makes it a bit hard for them to act on his behalf. So, really all he has left to work for him outside of his campaign is the DNC, and I doubt they’ll go after Lieberman in any real way. And then there’s us. Kobe is our boss and won’t let us take orders from a candidate so we’re free to do stuff others can’t. ;)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, since Obama ordered supporters/donors to defund all his “surrogates” that makes it a bit hard for them to act on his behalf. So, really all he has left to work for him outside of his campaign is the DNC, and I doubt they’ll go after Lieberman in any real way. And then there’s us. Kobe is our boss and won’t let us take orders from a candidate so we’re free to do stuff others can’t. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Valley Girl</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/21/fdl-suggestion-box-what-to-do-about-lieberman/#comment-1590779</link>
		<dc:creator>Valley Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;p.s. I really do abhor Lieberman-  I together with an FDL friend made this YouTube a while back-  still worth watching, imho.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQAQQtasfBI&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Lieberman McCain insult JFK legacy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s. I really do abhor Lieberman-  I together with an FDL friend made this YouTube a while back-  still worth watching, imho.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQAQQtasfBI" rel="nofollow"> Lieberman McCain insult JFK legacy</a></p>
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		<title>By: Valley Girl</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/21/fdl-suggestion-box-what-to-do-about-lieberman/#comment-1590773</link>
		<dc:creator>Valley Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yep- I agree with you- we’ve got basically zip, so far.  But Lieberman is a hard nut to crack.  If there were some viable CT approach, that would be great.  But, Lieberman can’t be recalled, and I think he’s impervious to what his “constituency” in CT thinks.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I followed Jane’s coverage of the Lamont Senate race from the get go, and even tho I’m from out of state, I worked for a short time in CT for the Lamont campaign.  I abhor Lieberman.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But, I’m flailing for ideas.  And, still searching my brain for other ideas.  Lieberman is beyond shame, and as I said, a hard nut to crack. It’s gonna take longer than a day to come up with a viable plan.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep- I agree with you- we’ve got basically zip, so far.  But Lieberman is a hard nut to crack.  If there were some viable CT approach, that would be great.  But, Lieberman can’t be recalled, and I think he’s impervious to what his “constituency” in CT thinks.  </p>
<p>I followed Jane’s coverage of the Lamont Senate race from the get go, and even tho I’m from out of state, I worked for a short time in CT for the Lamont campaign.  I abhor Lieberman.</p>
<p>But, I’m flailing for ideas.  And, still searching my brain for other ideas.  Lieberman is beyond shame, and as I said, a hard nut to crack. It’s gonna take longer than a day to come up with a viable plan.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonardo6</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leonardo6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“So- train of thought here- go DNC- pressure DNC to pressure the idiot Dems- Senators and Reps- to go after Lieberman- it’s not just Obama he’s hurting, it’s down ticket races.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The problem is this solution is a couple of steps removed. It’s about getting people to get other people to do something.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What can WE do? Not what should Obama do, or what should Harry do, or what should the media do or what should Howard Dean do. What should WE do?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If I were Jane I’d be pretty disappointed in this thread - we’ve got zip. (Well there were some notions of doing some movies which might be fun.) But I just keep thinking that a creative approach is out there. I keep focusing on trying to come up with something that would be done out of CT. There’s gotta be FDL readers that live in CT, right? That’s where the ultimate action would need to spring from, but it could be lead/encouraged, and funded via the blogosphere. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;C’mon gang! We can’t take anymore joe lying down!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“So- train of thought here- go DNC- pressure DNC to pressure the idiot Dems- Senators and Reps- to go after Lieberman- it’s not just Obama he’s hurting, it’s down ticket races.”</p>
<p>The problem is this solution is a couple of steps removed. It’s about getting people to get other people to do something.</p>
<p>What can WE do? Not what should Obama do, or what should Harry do, or what should the media do or what should Howard Dean do. What should WE do?</p>
<p>If I were Jane I’d be pretty disappointed in this thread &#8211; we’ve got zip. (Well there were some notions of doing some movies which might be fun.) But I just keep thinking that a creative approach is out there. I keep focusing on trying to come up with something that would be done out of CT. There’s gotta be FDL readers that live in CT, right? That’s where the ultimate action would need to spring from, but it could be lead/encouraged, and funded via the blogosphere. </p>
<p>C’mon gang! We can’t take anymore joe lying down!</p>
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		<title>By: Valley Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valley Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jane- sorry I’m late- day job and all.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Even if Joe isn’t McCain’s VP, he’ll still be out there- hurting not only Obama, but down ticket races- &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I just caught this, tho it’s from Monday:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2008/08/18/john_mccain_atlanta.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;  McCain’s Atlanta fund-raiser takes in $1.75 million&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;McCain, a U.S. senator from Arizona, had a special guest along for the trip: U.S. Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), the former Democratic presidential candidate and vice presidential nominee now serving as an independent. Lieberman has endorsed McCain and praised him and Georgia’s top Republicans.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“I’m also proud to be here with these three great Americans, your two senators and a great governor, Sonny Perdue,” Lieberman said, referring to U.S. Sens. Johnny Isakson and &lt;b&gt;Saxby Chambliss.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Chambliss is being challenged by Jim Martin (moderate Dem, way better than Saxby) and Martin is behind in polling, but seems to be gaining on Chambliss-  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;From email from Martin campaign- “new poll, which was conducted by Rasmussen Reports, shows that we are trailing Chambliss by just 5 points, 48% to 43%, and that the race has tightened considerably in the last month. “&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So- train of thought here- go DNC- pressure DNC to pressure the idiot Dems- Senators and Reps- to go after Lieberman- it’s not just Obama he’s hurting, it’s down ticket races.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sorry, that’s all I got.  But, I sure would like to hear what Howard Dean and the DNC think about the damage Lieberman is doing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane- sorry I’m late- day job and all.</p>
<p>Even if Joe isn’t McCain’s VP, he’ll still be out there- hurting not only Obama, but down ticket races- </p>
<p>I just caught this, tho it’s from Monday:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2008/08/18/john_mccain_atlanta.html" rel="nofollow">  McCain’s Atlanta fund-raiser takes in $1.75 million</a></p>
<p>McCain, a U.S. senator from Arizona, had a special guest along for the trip: U.S. Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), the former Democratic presidential candidate and vice presidential nominee now serving as an independent. Lieberman has endorsed McCain and praised him and Georgia’s top Republicans.</p>
<p>“I’m also proud to be here with these three great Americans, your two senators and a great governor, Sonny Perdue,” Lieberman said, referring to U.S. Sens. Johnny Isakson and <b>Saxby Chambliss.</b></p>
<p>Chambliss is being challenged by Jim Martin (moderate Dem, way better than Saxby) and Martin is behind in polling, but seems to be gaining on Chambliss-  </p>
<p>From email from Martin campaign- “new poll, which was conducted by Rasmussen Reports, shows that we are trailing Chambliss by just 5 points, 48% to 43%, and that the race has tightened considerably in the last month. “</p>
<p>So- train of thought here- go DNC- pressure DNC to pressure the idiot Dems- Senators and Reps- to go after Lieberman- it’s not just Obama he’s hurting, it’s down ticket races.</p>
<p>Sorry, that’s all I got.  But, I sure would like to hear what Howard Dean and the DNC think about the damage Lieberman is doing.</p>
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		<title>By: gradysu</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/21/fdl-suggestion-box-what-to-do-about-lieberman/#comment-1590750</link>
		<dc:creator>gradysu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh, and meld the photos of Bush hugging McCain and planting a wet one on Joe into one big visual. Rope the three of them so closely together they can’t break free. And do it over and over.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and meld the photos of Bush hugging McCain and planting a wet one on Joe into one big visual. Rope the three of them so closely together they can’t break free. And do it over and over.</p>
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		<title>By: gradysu</title>
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		<dc:creator>gradysu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think Obama’s surrogates have to start going after him directly, and tying him to Bush as well as McCain, effectively underscoring that he is not bipartisan but rather a Republican watercarrier and that Bush/McCain/Leiberman are all the same. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The next time he opens his trap, Obama surrogates should suggest, loudly and with a concerned tone, that perhaps he would have better served the public by conducting hearings on FEMA’s incompetence — which directly relates the War on Terror(R) — than by stumping all over the stratosphere for McCain. And repeatedly emphasize his slavish support for Bush/McCain’s war. Tie them together like the Unholy Trinity they are.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Obama’s surrogates have to start going after him directly, and tying him to Bush as well as McCain, effectively underscoring that he is not bipartisan but rather a Republican watercarrier and that Bush/McCain/Leiberman are all the same. </p>
<p>The next time he opens his trap, Obama surrogates should suggest, loudly and with a concerned tone, that perhaps he would have better served the public by conducting hearings on FEMA’s incompetence — which directly relates the War on Terror(R) — than by stumping all over the stratosphere for McCain. And repeatedly emphasize his slavish support for Bush/McCain’s war. Tie them together like the Unholy Trinity they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Bustednuckles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bustednuckles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Attack, Attack ATTAAAAAAACK!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s what you do about Lieberman.&lt;br /&gt;
You make as much noise as possible so that it can’t be ignored attacking his traitorous ways.&lt;br /&gt;
Document it, show it to every one who will look.&lt;br /&gt;
Hammer him over his two faced methods.&lt;br /&gt;
Highlight his dismal voting record and his ties to Big Pharma but most of all, highlight the fact that he so willingly sells his ass to the highest bidder with absolutely no shame.&lt;br /&gt;
I’d donate to a NY Times ad.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attack, Attack ATTAAAAAAACK!</p>
<p>That’s what you do about Lieberman.<br />
You make as much noise as possible so that it can’t be ignored attacking his traitorous ways.<br />
Document it, show it to every one who will look.<br />
Hammer him over his two faced methods.<br />
Highlight his dismal voting record and his ties to Big Pharma but most of all, highlight the fact that he so willingly sells his ass to the highest bidder with absolutely no shame.<br />
I’d donate to a NY Times ad.</p>
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		<title>By: Garbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I like RevDeb’s idea about the baby elephant.   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think we should start presenting Lieberman as VP choice as a fait accompli, so that when/if it actually happens it’s no big deal because people will already have assumed it would happen and it doesn’t make a blip on the news.  Ramp up speculation now to undercut it’s power to affect Obama’s convention bounce.  As for him speaking at the convention, I think the Rs are all overestimating his power to capture a crowd’s attention, let alone their imagination.  I think the collective response should be a big yawn.  “Yeah, Lieberman’s a Judas.  So what else is new?”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like RevDeb’s idea about the baby elephant.   </p>
<p>I think we should start presenting Lieberman as VP choice as a fait accompli, so that when/if it actually happens it’s no big deal because people will already have assumed it would happen and it doesn’t make a blip on the news.  Ramp up speculation now to undercut it’s power to affect Obama’s convention bounce.  As for him speaking at the convention, I think the Rs are all overestimating his power to capture a crowd’s attention, let alone their imagination.  I think the collective response should be a big yawn.  “Yeah, Lieberman’s a Judas.  So what else is new?”</p>
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