I think I would have really really liked Pat Tillman, if I’d known him. This piece from Mary Tillman’s book sums it up well:
The article is about Rachel Corrie, the 23 year old peace activist from Olympia, Washington who was crushed to death by an Israeli bulldozer on March 16, 2003, trying to protect the home of a Palestinian doctor and his family.
I remember picking up the article from the same spot more than a year ago and asking Pat, "Who’s this?"
"That’s my hero," Pat said. ‘She was a stud; she had a lot of guts.”
Hard to put it better, really.
What makes someone a hero to you? Who are some of your heroes, and why? I’ll go with both Pat and Rachel, because they put their lives on the line for what they believed in.
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A (S)hero of mine is Joan Baez. Musician, pacifist, activist.
There is considerable question as to how Corrie died, and whether or not the driver of the bulldozer even saw her.
What an amazing post, Ian. My heroes are those who stand up for truth and for people in need…..without giving up their own lives or standards…just being ‘big’ people, real people. None of my personal heroes are famous. They are just good people with whom I am proud to share a life.
And by not giving up their lives, I mean not changing their way of life. Some of my heroes did lose their lives, but they were true to themselves to the end. I think Pat Tilman was heroic and I think Rachel Corrie was heroic — they stood up for what they believed.
A comment of mine on an earlier post might be appropriate. The nicest man I’ve ever known in my over 6 decades died about 15 years ago in an auto accident. Everybody who knew him thought Thom was their best friend. And all those people were right. In the very worst moment of my life, at midnight, I called him, he came and stayed with me until my brother was able to get here at 6am (driving 100 mph on the NYS thruway). Yes, Thom Scheuer is my hero and I miss him still.
Doris Day
Doris,and 2 of her MANY,MANY rescues
http://www.funkin.net/sites/do…..okdogs.jpg
Hi Ian: I suppose that you know, but in case you don’t, our Ed’ard Teller wrote some sort of serious music score in honor of Rachel. Ask him about it.
and Audry Hepburn too…they have inspired my life
Hey Ian! Thanks for the Positive Post, anything negative in the comments notwithstanding. Ha!
i don’t see that it matters whether she was killed accidently or purposefully – she took a grave risk.
Molly Ivins…….speaking truth to power even while facing her own challenges…..and with humor. Heroic!
Harvey Milk:
dont know if anybody cares ,but babies went today
http://kissmecat.blogspot.com/
I am not really much for heroes as it puts too much burden on frail human shoulders, but there are people who inspire me regardless of frailties or failings. Mahatma Gandhi. Sequoya, a illiterate Cherokee medicine man who spoke no English, who invented a syllabary to write his language, so well designed adults or children could become fully literate in a few months and which gave the Cherokees a 97% literacy rate in the 1890s, to help his people resist the white man’s onslaught. Siddhartha Gautama, who renounced power, wealth, and privilege, to seek enlightenment. Martin Luther King. Anybody who has devoted their life to making the world a better place and to help others.
There’s always been considerable question about how Tillman died, too, i guess. I’m like many, many people. My dad was my working class hero. Lame answer. But true.
My hero was always telling me about a hero of his, so I guess Walter Reuther is a kinda second hand hero of mine.
Michael Mountain of Best Friends Animal Society is a hero. The jury that sentenced Paul Hill to death are heroes. The guy who stood before the tank in Tiananmen Square was a hero. JFK was a hero (PT 109). Chuck Yeager was a hero, even if he’s a ‘puke. Gordo Cooper was a hero. Buzz Aldrin and his Apollo 13 crewmates are heroes.
Yes, DrDick,
I agree wholeheartedly. And let’s hear it for science : Charles Darwin and Dr.Willem Kolff, artificial kidney.
yah…not Saint McSame
Molly Ivins in 1980.
http://flickr.com/photos/22233394@N05/2145183241/
Bill Bradley was my hero in his former life. Before he got into politics.
Yep… the people next to her when the Catepillar bulldozer driven by an Israeli soldier crushed the life out of her actually really crushed her with their shrill rhetoric about Israel’s human rights crimes in the Occupied territories.
One of the most perncious consequences of sixty years of denying Israel’s human rights crimes inflicted on Palestinians in 1948 — and Israel and her supporters’ denial of the war crimes and huamn rights crimes arising from Israel’s illegal 1968 Occupataion is finding out that the same ability to excuse hideous atrocities that animates so many Holocaust deniers is shared by many descendants and supporters of those most injured by the Holocaust, and those who rightly proclaim “never again” in the Holcaust victims’ memories.
My Dad…. who was building houses for Habitat the day after they lost everything in their house fire…..
f****in….Jonas Salk
WHO GAVE TO AMERICA AND THE WORLD FOR FREE the polio vaccine….never happen today nevvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvver
If accurate, that diminishes her heroism how?
Speaking truth to power: Helen Thomas; Bill Moyers.
bravo,and the apple doesnt fall far from the tree…”g”
oh YES
that’s enough for me. good night all
McClusterfuck is a piece of shit. It terrifies me that he’s going to win. Obama needs to get down and dirty and fight like a street-fighter and fire on his (figurative) jaw.
The high road is the road to defeat.
My most right wing friend is quite anti-Israel cause of their violations of every human right. He can’t imagine why people so oppressed would turn same tactics against their enemies. I love him, in a way, but he is so naive.
I second that
P.S. if anyone catches LHP sometime tomorrow and I’m busy working please point her to these few questions I have about the
kidnappingrendition programL8r
excellent!
Please wait, your request is processed…
McCain’s July Money: $26 Raised, $32 Million Spent
Just like a Repug… knows how to blow through money…
Nite TB. How did your treatment work out?
Three shots to the forehead! What a f*cking tragedy! Did I mention that I hate this Maladministration…?
nite y nite
Freud got so much wrong, but I kinda think he was onto something with that whole “identification with the aggressor bit…”
learned from the Nazis….. like abusers learn from their parents
Love that picture, eCAHN! I’ve saved it, I loved Molly, she was most certainly one of my heroes (I believe she would have objected to the heroine moniker). We’re much the poorer without her, especially in these times.
nite betsy
Yea! Helen and Bill love!
yup control and power…powerful manipulators
In politics: Dennis Kucinich for standing up for our country and for the rest of us. I wept that he was alone while reading his articles of impeachment……where were the rest of the people who were supposed to stand up for us?
Can everyone else see the “Please wait, your request is processing” on my comment @35?
Where did that come from?
The other irony of this horrible conflict is that most of the techniques employed against the Israelis by Palestinian “terrorists” were pioneered by Jewish “terrorists” (they were so designated at the time) in establishing the state of Israel. The Stern Gang (the Jewish equivalent of Hamas) invented the car bomb, which they deliberately deployed against civilian targets (both Palestinian and British). There are at this point no real “good guys”, but lots of losers on all sides.
NSA?
10th grade history with Mrs. Pierce.
“In history, the oppressed often become the oppressors.”
Mrs. Pierce was a 60’s Berkley radical.
Later in the decade of the 80’s she became a high school principal and made headlines by putting surveillance cameras in the boys bathroom.
-G
Yep.
after I lost my VPN to my company this afternoon…. started thinking I need a Duvet Day tomorrow…
we live in sad times i think…because technology has opened so many possibilities,and the status quo has proven a formidable opponent
I can tell you that it did not come from FDL.
I so agree with you.
(((katymine)))
{{{{{katymine}}}}}}…and i miss the 4 babies (ftroop)
Wow. Walter Ruther. Union president. UAW? Teamsters? Can’t remember. Classy guy, whose successors were not so classy as I recall.
Why I gave up the idea of social change through revolutionary action. Our own seems to be one of the very few which did not almost immediately proceed to inflict the same oppression on others once they got into power (setting aside for the moment the treatment of slaves and Indians).
The pics show the bulldozer driver looking right at Corrie and then running her over.
http://www.indybay.org/newsite…..838231.php
and Kirk Murphy @ 48.
One of the saddest outcomes of Nazism, IMO. I have cut off several Jewish friends (I’m Jewish by injection from 2 Jewish husbands) over Israel. Recently had to walk away from my Jewish contractor over same subject, lest my house go to wrack & ruin.
Thanks Lurking… never had that happen before….. weird…
Oh shit!! No pun intended.
gotta disagree with you here, dr.
good guys = ghassan andoni and jeff halper (for example)
UAW/ My dad wasn’t UAW (UE) but he told me so many variations of “If it wasn’t for Walter Reuther we wouldn’t have ……..”
Bravo Mrs. Pierce.
Berkley (Yoo) is a shadow of its former self, unfortunately.
Not too bad, but now that I am back to working and parenting, the pain is a lot worse than Sunday and Monday. Hoping to work as much as possible from home the rest of the week. Also hope to sleep more than 3 hours at a time.
they cant see it.too damaged i suspect.ilove the book “soul murder”,it explains so much
One of my heros is Arturo Toscanini. From wiki:
He refused to display Musolini’s photograph or conduct the Fascist anthem Giovinezza at La Scala.[2] He raged to a friend, “If I were capable of killing a man, I would kill Mussolini.”
Just before a May 1931 concert at La Scala he was ordered to begin by playing Giovinezza. He refused. Afterwards he was, in his own words, “attacked, injured and repeatedy hit in the face” by a group of blackshirts.[4] Mussolini, incensed by the conductor’s refusal, had his phone tapped, placed him under constant surveillance and took away his passport. The passport was returned only after world outcry over Toscanini’s treatment.He left Italy until 1938.
[…]
Hearing Toscanini
In some of his recordings, Toscanini can be heard singing or humming. This is especially true in RCA’s recording of La Boheme by Puccini, recorded during broadcast concerts in NBC Studio 8-H in 1946. Tenor Jan Peerce later said that Toscanini’s deep involvement in the performances helped him to achieve the necessary emotions, especially in the final moments of the opera when the beloved Mimi (played by Licia Albanese) is dying. During the “Tuba mirum” section of the January 1951 live recording of Verdi’s Requiem Mass, Toscanini can be heard on the disc shouting as the brass blares during that terrifying music. In his recording of Richard Strauss’ Death and Transfiguration, Toscanini sighed loudly near the end of the music; RCA Victor left this in the released recording.
Anti-Fascist politically and totally brave musically. I wish there was a symphonic Toscanini to point to today, and not just folks, all-be-them worthy like “Rage against The Machine” who will be playing here in Denver next week.
Evenin’ all,
Thurgood Marshall and Judge Jackson . . .kinda funny how so many of the famous I admire were lawyers – William Kuntsler, Morris Dees, Sara Weddington
have encountered some heroic folks on blogs – dengre @ dkos for his/her work on behalf of the Northern Mariannas and Scout Prime and her work on behalf of New Orleans
Except that maybe they don’t.
heating pad helps me alot,and Mr Eppy
Primo Levi. Remaining human is how we fight back when we have no means to fight back.
Well, I hope you sleeo well tonight.
My grandfather and two great uncles participated in the Flint MI sit down strike in 1935-36 which resulted in forming the UAW…. my 85 yr old Dad remembers sneaking food to the strikers through the back windows
awwwwwwwwwwww the opera…..lifes little pleasures
I did not mean that there were not individuals and groups who are trying to do good in this conflict, they exist on both sides. My comment rather referred to the two sides of the conflict (both of whom have committed and continue to commit atrocities), as well as the many other players who have in various ways interjected themselves into the conflict to further their own interests.
Standing up on that issue is a tough road. I recommend: “The Lobby Like No Other,” by Michael Scheuer: http://antiwar.com/scheuer/?articleid=13295
It says what needs to be said in a tough but carefully nuanced way. Not that you aren’t capable of that by yourself. ;-)
In the arts: I was always taken with Beverly Sills even tho I know nothing about opera. She was such a big person: so talented and then so giving. I really love the winners who give back with such generosity. I think that is heroic.
woody guthrie a hero or just a cool guy?
they’re heroes. that was such a huge moment in our history. they don’t teach it to kids.
Hero, if seriously flawed in many ways. Also one of my homeboys. City of Okemah (his birthplace) hates him. Assholes.
Yeah, right.
“Rachel Corey [sic], 23 years old from the state of Washington, was killed while she was trying to prevent Israeli army bulldozers from destroying a Palestinian home. Other foreigners who were with her said the driver of the bulldozer was aware that Rachel was there, and continued to destroy the house. Initially he dropped sand and other heavy debris on her, then the bulldozer pushed her to the ground where it proceeded to drive over her, fracturing both of her arms, legs and skull. She was transferred to hospital, where she later died. Another foreigner was also injured in the attack and has been hospitalized – at this stage his nationality is unknown.” (15 March 2003)
for yall
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kXuEg4hMvg
Paul Newman and his salad dressings.
My pediatrician, so long ago. She contracted polio in the late 1940s and kept practicing (via wheelchair), had 4 children, and told very interesting stories about what it was like in “the early days.”
Digg it!
My grandfather was an organizer for the furriers union in St. Louis in the 1930s, so I heard a lot of stories. I think all those organizers are heroes for fighting for workers’ rights.
where’s nahant? it took me long enough to post that Digg…
from your link, i can tell you for a fact and from personal experience that the initial statement about ism is completely and utterly false.
Heroes?
Congressman John Lewis. Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Mother Jones. Joe Hill. William Wilberforce. Alice Paul. Lucretia Mott. John Coltrane. My parents.
When you get a moment to actually sit down and think about it, you realize how many GOOD people there are in the world.
My dad was IAM and every time the UAW would go out on strike, he’d have to leave town to find work elsewhere. Ultimately, he lost his job for honoring the UAW’s picket line, whereupon the UAW offered to go back out on strike to get him and his friend’s jobs back. They declined and went to work elsewhere in town, whereupon the union at that plant went on strike against the pleading of the union, and later settled for less than had been originally offered. But to his dying day, dad was a loyal union man, having started out in the coal mines under John L. Lewis.
Both a hero and a cool guy!
Dugg!
Thanks, neuro!
Hey I just saw a tv commercial to remind me of another hero — Jim Henson.
I’ve heard that. ’cause he was a no good commie? Heard they wouldn’t have the WoodyFest there until a few years ago and that it was a bitch of a fight to get his name on the watertower.
Anti-heroes
The first half of our lives are ruined by our parents. The second half is ruined by our children.
It was interesting when my father remembered the event…. I was up here in Oregon visiting and we were watching Michael Moore on C-span speaking at a college in Flint MI and Moore was talking about the start of the union movement and went into detail on the 1935 strike and poof my Dad’s eyes got big and he started talking all about the family members, the hardships and the strike. How he (he was 10yrs old) and one of his other uncles went to the back of the factory, risking the Pinkerton’s to provide supplies to the strikers.
i prefer to not see the conflict as between israelis and palestinians but rather between those who are working to find ways to live together with respect for the human rights of all vs those who do not.
who
doare not.heroes all. soooooo many people in this country take for absolute granted the things these people did to get them the opportunities and standard of living they now enjoy. the strikes were hard and pissed off my mom alot. but dad was a union man, so it couldn’t be any other way.
You got that exactly right. They even tore down the house he was born in in the eighties. Bunch of rightwing assholes. They deserve Imhoffe and Coburn (though the rest of the state does not).
And since Israelies abrogate human rights …
Per the cited document:
What makes arms shipments to the Palestinians any less legitimate/moral than U.S. arms shipments to Israel?
Right now my life is being ruined by a friggin’ tropical storm that doesn’t know what it wants to do and I am ghetting some serious rain and it has gotten depressing.
well after Ms Wiggins ,im ready to find morpheus…nite all
There was also a lot of blood spilled prior to WW II. It could be worth your life to be a union man at times in some places.
Fannie Lou Hamer !
many do not.
I read an article on that. It said some people are starting to realize “Hey, tourists might come here. Maybe ol’ Woody wasn’t so bad after all.”
Tropical storms vs. unrepentent progeny. What a choice/
Have they drowned you out yet?
Hi Demi Joane Baez has always been one of my favorites:>) Here she is at Woodstock 1969
Night saddlyyes.
you have a point. but when one signs up to volunteer with ism one must commit to renouncing the use or support of violence for the duration.
I have been informed in prior posts that your response is naive at the best.
and it pisses me off that people my age and younger … even in the (formerly) industrial northeast where i grew up, don’t realize any of this stuff. Florida? Forget it.
Opportunistic (but kinda dumb) rightwing assholes.
Nah. Just got some ripped up screens on the deck and a palm branch hanging by a thread. I’m used to a little more sunshine, ya know? I didn’t move here for this shit.
Rachel was the victim, not the perpetrator, of the violence.
so can you tell me exactly how jeff halper is abrogating any one’s human rights? or the volunteers at phr-israel?
In writing: there are some remarkable memoirists who I think are heroic in their sharing — “The Glass Castle”, “JesusLand” … people whose stories help me grow as a person. There are fake writers out there, of course, but there are also wonderful writers who share their stories and give many of us hope for healing. And who also make us laugh. A new one is “Memoirs of a Beautiful Boy” .. with a redemption chapter that moved me. God, I hope he wasn’t just making it up!
Nope, not if you read the links at the bottom of Betsy’s post.
Rachel clearly got what she deserved, being that she was a terrorist sympthaizer.
Snark off.
-G
I like this. Her & Dylan and a Woody song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz9okKRhimE
some timely heroes
and another from the same event
40 years ago, damn !
You want butt ignorant and aggressively fighting against their own interests, go talk to some Okie Rednecks. They hate unions and think they just cause trouble. I suppose they want to go back to 10-12 hour days, six days a week for a buck a day with no insurance or pension. Oh, yeah, they already did. Right to work laws are such a marvelous idea for workers.
i think that’s so. but i have a hard time believing that they were protecting the arms shipments – that was the statement i was trying to challenge.
tuesday I had no work. they had no school, so I had to deal with the storm and my progeny at the same time. not fun.
Which link are you talking about. Here is the first that I found.
seems to be the prevalent attitude in Flori–duh too.
Sorry too late to respond, Catch me tomorrow.
Night all
i’m gonna go look at some Olympic stuff. I’ll be back.
Oops. Sorry. It was my understanding that they were trying to protect homes.
night eCAHN
I also think that many of the civil rights marchers were true heroes. Growing up in Houston in the 60’s, I knew what a dangerous place the south could be for blacks and for outsiders (those northern kids who came down to help with voter registration and such.) Times HAD to change; times just had to change. But there were people of honor and truth who took the risks necessary to make change happen.
I think it is another of those “Southern things”. I may be southern (sort of) by birth, but there things about my native culture which have never made any sense to me at all and which I do not miss in the least. Grits comes to mind.
i’m sorry i’m not being very clear.
i think they were trying to protect homes also. i don’t believe what that website said.
Night Ecahn.
nite.
I started out my views on teh I/P matter with the Leon Uris/Exodus frame.
Then I met this nice girl – well, woman – from Skokie with really questionable taste.
She stated doing demos on the I/P issue at Southern Illinois University: her views were (one infers) so extreme that when (after graduate level lingusitic/cultural training) she approached the State Dept to work for Our Government, they whipped out photos of the (teeny) SIU demo and let her know she was a security risk.
Rabid Zionist?
Nope.
She’d completed her Masters in Middle Eastern Studies at UCLA and was fluent in Arabic: the teeny SIU demo from her undergrad days was for freedom for both Palestinians and Israelis.
Her graduate advisor was among the Americans kidnapped — and killed — in Beiruit.
We used to go to Passover dinner together at her folks’ house…with her Eastern European grandmother…one of the (relative) few in that generation of her kin to survive the camps.
Oh – her questionable taste? Guess it showed up when she said “I do”..
at our wedding. ;)
Though our paths have now diverged, she taught me much about Palestine and the Palestinians – in addition to teaching me about those who lost relatives they would never know to the Holocaust.
One very large reason why I have trouble keeping a straight face when my support for both Palestinian and Israeli human rights is called “anti-semitism”.
Guess I’m just a child of the seventies…bought into that whole universal human rights thing…
the one our State Department used to push…
the same one that didn’t want her ’cause she embraced that “radical” view.
Ya can’t leave out Studs Terkel . . . not for speaking truth, to power. And your two are giants.
I’m with the folks who are uncomfortable with the hero labeling . . .
We grew up, in my gen, as boys who were told Audie Murphy was a hero.
I learnt in my early teens, and on thru my life, that Ho Chi Ming, great leaders of the Native American Tribes we eliminated, great women too numerous (Joan d’Arc, Florence, Sister Theresa) to mention if full, and men also . . they were heroes . . and I learnt that, to a child, a son, a daughter, the mother and father are the real heroe’s.
And to this day, as I look back on MY two parents, I realize more and more, what heroe’s they were, to do what they did . . .
Mr. Spook speaks of a story of his recently departed father . . . the father coming to the aid of someone that the locals were determined to hang and kill.
The father went to the man’s home, then met them devils at the gate all night long, unarmed, facing the white evil drunk and killin field crazed men with their guns, and tellin them, you need to kill me first before you come thru these gates. And they never did, and the law finally showed up, so he could go home and sleep.
That’s a phreakin hero . . . and this woulda been circa 1930’s or so if I recall the story correctly . . .
Heroe’s Are Hard To Find, but they’re everywhere if you open yer eyes . . . it’s the daily thing, for the long run. Sometimes, someone steps up and makes the big news, but mostly, the heroes are the daily folk who know right from wrong, and lay it on the line for what they know.
We can ALL be heroes . . . and I think, in these times, we NEED to be.
Harumph.
That took a huge amount of bravery. I grew up under Jim Crow and attended segregated schools for the first six years. Standing up for equal rights was still dangerous in Oklahoma in the 1970s when I was in college.
Here is Joan and Bob with something from 1976 which is still so up to date today!!
At the bottom of the link at post # 70.
Front Page has an article called The Myth of Rachel Corrie.
-G
Ditto.
My hero growing up was Dr. Albert Schweitzer. I think I liked that he was a musician first, and then later in life did his overseas work.
It was a genuine thrill to see his home in Alsace.
I’m a bit out of the mainstream on this stuff, but I believe that indigenous peoples have the same rights to armament as their conquerors, including nuclear arms. That’s not a prospect that I welcome, but rather a logical consequence of the symmetry of ethics and morality.
Given that the trajectory of technology is one-directional, like that of entropy, conquerors would be well advised to consider their policies very carefully.
sports were everything to me in another life
this man willingly gave up his shot at everything to refuse induction
yep, still a hero
Nicely stated, Larue, and true. Truth is good…and truth makes life so much easier and coherent.
yep
two separate issues:
1) i don’t disagree with you – i’d just say that i think probably neither has the right to nukes. symmetry: yes.
2) i was trying to give some background info on ism – the organization the rachel corrie was volunteering with at the time of her death. lots of false things have been said about ism, and i was just trying to point some of that out.
Evening all-
Robert Henlein. Arthur C. Clarke. Eugene Debs. Whoever that Russian sub Commander was that refused the order to torpedo an American ship during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Elizabeth Cady Stanton. A huge number of others.
BTW, it strikes me that if Rachel was trying to defend an arms smuggling asset from a bulldozer, an RPG or flame thrower would have worked much better than a sign and a bullhorn.
her song about him
Here are some AZ local Hero’s may have kept a radical wingnut ballot measure off the November Ballot AND out of the AZ consititution….
Signature problems dog ballot measures
State Rep Sinema and over a 1000 volunteers spent weeks validating signatures
It will be a great thing if this goes down and is rejected…..
Oh, I so agree on Ali! I would never have been able to say that at the time he made his stand, but I believed it then and now.
Here is Joan doing one of her many benefit concerts Prison Trilogy aka Three Stories
Joan was and is an activists and as such is still a heroine in my book!
Wow, Kirk. Great story. Thanks. (I’ll share mine another time.)
Michael Moore.
Joe Wilson.
Judge Sirica, for refusing to be either bullshitted or intimidated.
Hi Selise. I agree with you on both points, as I usually do on almost everyting. ;-) Thanks.
Hey RonD. You getting flooded out by the Biblical rains there?
lol. well said.
i was being obsure and unclear. never a good combination. time for me to get some sleep i guess.
nite all.
Rachel Corrie is one of my heros, for sure. Also
Chris Dodd
Russ Feingold
Barack Obama
Barbara Jordan
Christy Hardin Smith
Marcy Wheeler
Glenn Greenwald
…and of course the remarkable Ms. Jane Hamsher.
Bob in HI
I guess it is getting disastrously bad with that storm just sulking there.
-G
Night Selise.
You’re not going to believe this, but it is absolutely true…where I am S. of Tampa, we haven’t had a drop of rain in three days. Not a frickin’ drop. Some gusty winds, but zero-and I mean zero-rain in Riverview, where I live. Sorry BFL. II feel for you and hackworth over in Daytona.
‘night, selise.
500 miles
looking forward to yours, wigwam!
and sleep well, selise….
btw firedogs, lots of heroes in Teddy’s ADHD thread earlier – very moving
It appears to be a well-crafted piece of propaganda using all of the tricks of innuendo etc. in the propagandist’s toolbox. What do you see as its relevance?
g’nite Selise.
Life is sometimes strange that way. We had what passes for a torrential downpour here this evening – a whopping 3/4 inch. Bear in mind that is most of the average monthly total for August (slightly over an inch).
Absolutely… many moving stories of just how many have over come their obstacles in their lives…
In chronological order.
PLovering posted the pics reported to be that of Rachel Corrie’s death.
Texas Betsy posted a piece claiming that the pictures may not show the truth. At the bottom of the embedded link that TB provided were a series of links, one to the link I highlighted.
I made the point that according the information TB was providing, Rachel Corrie got what was coming to her because she was a terrorist. I also noted that comment was “snark”.
The link is to Front Page mag, edited by former leftist nut and now current rightist nut, David Horowitz.
-G
I’ve lived in FL all my life, and been through a bunch of pinwheel storms…but I have never had the well-defined eye of a tropical storm pass forty miles from me, and me not get a drop of rain. It was a most bizarre thing to watch on the local radar.
I take issue – David Horowitz is not a ‘rightist nut’ – he is quite simply unwell.
Totally unhinged rightwing freak would be closer.
Here I thought someone was testing my stress meeter to see how far into the red it can be pushed?
And I wanted to know who renewed my membership in the disaster of the month club? Actually this time they upgraded me to the Platinum Membership level….
Colonel-Count Klaus von Stauffenberg, who personally smuggled in and set the bomb in the July 20th attempt to kill Hitler, and who paid with his life.
Here, here.
-G
I hope that was a good thing??
OOOPS, Greg!! Yuck. My apologies. Thanks for straightening that out for me.
I just keep telling myself, “that which does not kill us just makes us stronger.” Then I ask myself why I ain’t bench pressing Caddies.
Listen to Joan’s guitar work in this piece Diamonds and Rust!
Many remember her voice but she is a fine guitarist!
Nope…. go look at my parents house fire pictures on my facebook page…..
Sometimes things get a little mucked up in the toobz.
-G
Has anybody said Joe Hill?
Oliver Stone, for daring to pull back the curtain just a little bit.
Hard to tell tone of voice and facial expression from text.
RonD, I’m south of you in lower Sarasota Co. We got a big rain storm this PM with lightning and thunder.
The wind was fierce for a while. It was gone in 30 mins. I can’t imagine what I’d do in a stationary storm, or one moving at 2 mph. I hope all on the east coast fare well thru this.
I have so many heroes it would take a book. For storms like this one I’d include the Weather Channel people who go out in the storm to keep us informed.
the collective membership of Pink Floyd, for using breathtaking artistry to explore both outer and inner space through music.
Somewhere way upthread, but he deserves a double mention.
es upstairs
Hi Pat, welcome to FL-
Get a bunch of friends together, drink heavily, and try to cook everything before the power goes out. :)
We didn’t have jack here in SE hillsborough-but I’m not complaining. The best tropical cyclone is the one that goes somewhere else.
Can’t see them until we become friends.. sent you a request a while ago..
yep – like Aretha and the piano :D
That is what we say about forest fires. Speaking of which, all you folks in California, Oregon, and Idaho can please keep all of your smoke to yourselves. We had an air quality warning yesterday because of smoke blowing in from there. We have had a very mild – and unsmokey – fire season here.
EPU’d, but he deserves a mention.
Noam Chomsky.
There, I said it.
sorry. my bad.
Has anybody said Joe Hill? Nope but here you go tis another greatr one Joan did!
That’s OK, just don’t let it happen again. ;-)
It really was bad, couldn’t even see the mountains for the haze. I have been enjoying a summer where I do not feel like I am back to smoking 2-3 packs a day for a change.
Stephanie Tubbs Jones:
Doc, we get these morons down here who buy the storm supplies, board up their windows-and then bitch when it goes elsewhere. As if that were not the best possible outcome.
There are some people who just cannot accept good fortune.
Off to bed. Take care and enjoy.
You too, Dr. Breathe easy, and sleep well.
Sleep well, Dr D!
Incredible sound not heard often. I feel her sharing her humanity,a weapom for peace.
A great heroine, demi. Her music has accompanied my life and concerns.
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What adorable tabbies!
I care, “sadly yes”.
hat tip to the Etrick Shepherd, Bobbie Burns
Great answer, Dr. Dick. Just what I have come to expect from you.
Toscannini: On a 78 rpm “V Disk” an operatic diva is singing; the music comes to an abrupt halt and Toscannini is heard: “You sing like a pig!”
On another, an announcer is introducing the “Jota Arogonaise” and Toscannini exclaims “Bah” and rolls right over him, leaping energeticaly into his performance right over the announcer, who gets drowned out.
Don’t think so. She wasn’t killed by the bulldozer but by the wall of crap the bulldozer was pushing. According to an eye witness, whose testimony was played at the end of the play “My name was Rachel Corrie”, there was no question the bulldozer driver saw her. She was trying to climb the pile of debris as the bulldozer was pushing it, lost her footing, and was buried. From Israel’s point of view, it was a successful operation. No one stands in front of bulldozers any more.
The name of the play is “My name is Rachel Corrie”
John Ziaylek ,a man’s man,who guided me and lots of others in acting against self interests for the better good.
He could convince you to act nuts and charge into a burning building with the confidence you held the upper hand and would overcome any challenge because they were all new. My local volunteer fire company chief.
Other than that those that died for their beliefs without a weapon,
Martin Luther King, Gandhi and Jesus Christ.
Honorable mention: Paul Wellstone and PAT TILLMAN and Rachel Corrie ,I know I’m missing thousands
peggy and art gish, members of the christian peacmemaker teams….a unique group.
peggy was going to iraq way before anything was in the news about what was happening there, heard her speak about it….if i hadn’t already known what an honest and kind person she is, i wouldn’t have believed it…now, all she said is common knowledge. she is there right now.
same thing for art, he’s been going to palestine for years. his book has just been translated to be sold in indonesia…a new cover on it, him in front of a tank…hands up.
here is a google page for them, couldn’t pick just one link…
they’ve both written a book, which everyone should read..
dwr you said you like memoirs, these are rare.
http://www.google.com/search?q…..=firefox-a
and abraham lincoln, the first man i remember thinking, i want to be like him. i was very young. and still feel the same way.
my 217–
peggy gish’s book iraq: a journey of peace and hope
art gish’s book hebron journal:stories of non-violent peacemaking
wish they would both be on book salon.
My all-time hero is Judge William Wayne Justice. (So, btw, was he Molly Ivins’ hero; and Molly herself makes my list). Otherwise:
Tom Paine
Walt Whitman
Padraic Pearse
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Frederick Douglass
Martin Luther King
W.E.B. DuBois
George McGovern
Sojourner Truth
Harriet Tubman
Lucretia Mott
Elizabeth Cady Stanton
Let’s go back to Pat Tillman for a minute-McCain spoke at his memorial service, admitting that he didn’t know Pat but basking in the glow none the less. Now that it turns out Pat isn’t a hero, and that the military covered it up, why doesn’t McCain scream in outrage from the rooftops? He’ll take the glory when it rubs off on himself, but will support the cretins who lied to the end. If that doesn’t say something about this man’s character I don’t know what does.
The Ladder
Please don’t claim Pat’s not a hero @ 221
He gave up more money than most will ever dream of seeing in our lifetime.
Name a comparable Republican who forsook that much money to defend what he perceived to be a threat to this country? That’s what makes him a hero.
Tow heroes of many:
http://incommunion.org/article…..forest-bio
J. S. Bach (an obvious choice to a ‘cellist who strives to become, every day, a better human being).
And if that Bach choice seems flip, consider this: If we were all daily occupied in making beauty and perfecting our rendition of turns and trills (difficult on stringed instruments), we would not have time for all the bloody mischief humankind gets itself into )viz: wars, and so forth).
Typo above; sorry.
For “tow” read “two”.
And Jim Forrest, to whose details the link points, is a separate nomination to mine of Bach.