TPM's Greg Sargent [corrected] is correct that most of "the national press is basically giving McCain a pass on the McCain campaign's double-talk about Obama's patriotism." McCain is not just questioning Obama's patriotism; he's lying about it.
But the national media are also giving McCain a free pass on McCain's argument that his judgment in advocating the Iraq surge has been vindicated. This is the piece our media doesn't get, even though the evidence is staring at them in the headlines.
McCain's intellectual slight of hand has two parts. The first, which only a few in the media see, is that McCain wants the clock for measuring Iraq "judgment" to begin in late 2006 - early 2007, when he advocated inserting tens of thousands more troops into Iraq. He's free to claim that additional troops helped pacify parts of Iraq; others argue that the more important factors were al-Sadr's decision to stand down, the pre-surge Sunni "Awakening" (now in danger), the claim that ethnic cleansing was completed and other causes. But McCain cannot honestly argue that his original insistence on connecting Iraq to 9/11 and his belligerent, fact-free advocacy of starting wars with Iraq, Syria and Iran in the weeks and months after 9/11, were not signs of extremely poor judgment; these shoot from the hip, hot-headed reactions should be disqualifying.
Second, McCain always discusses the Iraq surge in isolation, as though it had no consequences for other US strategic interests. He justifies this policy-by-blinders approach by arguing that because al Qaeda wanted the US bogged down in Iraq -- and thus declared Iraq important -- that Iraq was thus the central front on the "war on terror." Aside from the illogic of allowing your enemy to define your battle space, every US intelligence report in recent years has said, as Obama has said and repeated to the VFW, that the core problem is in Afghanistan/Pakistan.
McCain's narrow Iraq focus had consequences, huge consequences, and they have been blaring in the headlines for months (in Afghanistan and Pakistan) and weeks (in Georgia). Because of people like McCain, the US has been bogged down in the wrong country, fighting the wrong war and making it impossible for the US to respond effectively anywhere else.
The consequences of this distraction can be seen in our tragic inability to defend our own and NATO allies' troops in Afghanistan or prevent the collapse of US policy in Pakistan. It is a contributing factor to the US and NATO's inability to respond effectively in Georgia. The Russians know we can't defend Georgia; we can't even shore up our threatened forces in Afghanistan until December.
Instead of beginning a path of disentanglement, the surge had severe consequences for US strategic interests that should be laid squarely at John McCain's feet. And they're not trivial. Afghanistan is faced with encirclement from a resurgent Taliban; our Pakistan policy, so dependent on an unpopular dictator instead of adequate US/NATO forces, lies in ruins. And the Russians are still ravaging Georgia and hauling away US military equipment, taunting the US and NATO as they do. When we most need moral credibility against unilateral invasions, we have none.
The media have fallen for a false description of what a President is supposed to do. They've bought the ridiculous line that a President's main job is to be Commander in Chief, so we should be asking who's the most aggressive warrior. But that's dangerously false.
The Constitution made the civilian President the Commander in Chief of the armed forces to ensure civilian control of the military, and to ensure that America's strategic interests would be properly weighed by civilian authorities, including Congress, in making decisions about war and peace. The Founders wanted to prevent strictly military thinking from dragging us into wars we didn't need to fight.
Our media doesn't seem to understand this vital American principle. We should measure a person's qualifications for President not on how they'd command an army -- we have generals for that -- but in how they make the strategic choices about when, if ever, and where, if anywhere, the armed forces of the US should become engaged. That's where McCain has failed, miserably, but our confused media doesn't get it.
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Patriotism means being a P.O.W.
Ah yes, John “Free Ride” McCain, joined by his lap dogs Joe “Short Ride” Lieberman and Lindsey “Carpet Ride” Graham.
‘Crow, did you see the reports where McCain thinks bringing back a draft is a great idea? Got to have more cannon fodder for the adventures in re-fighting the Vietnam War doncha know.
Time to Digg this post Pups!
Hey Scarecrow,
There must be something in the coolaid that the press drinks or the sprinkly donuts they eat. There is also this incredible herding instinct - when someone makes a statement the mobil units line up and nonstop jabberwash spews forth.
Huh?
I had a snarky retort to post here, but since I’ve already ruined any chance Obama has to win in this election in the previous post, I choose to refrain.
Yes, I saw the McCain comments on the draft. Hope he says it again.
The media haven’t fallen for anything. They want a corporatist strongman because that’s what their corporate masters want.
I edited that to be clearer.
Yeah. All those medals, and his volunteer service, were not good enough to make John Kerry patriotic. So what right does Obama have to claim that he is patriotic?
Let’s face it, John McCain was the only presidential candidate in either party this year who had the qualifications to be president /s
I know this is a serious topic and what I’m about to offer is frivolous. Nnonetheless, Cindy’s been caught telling another fib. Maybe the McCain’s will be held accountable for their lies. One can dream.
http://features.csmonitor.com/.....the-truth/
But he’s just uppity, doncha know :)
maybe our pakistan policy shouldn’t be dependent on “adequate US/NATO forces” any more than it should be dependent on an unpopular dictator.
So what is new….. a Repug getting a pass in the media…. The ALL get a pass … Democrats are held and have to live by a very different standard….. I am so tired of not having our attack dogs out barking ahead and defending peoples backs.
WHERE was Kerry when Wes Clark was getting savaged? Where was Max Cleland? Where was Hagel?
Does the Democratic Party have any attack dogs?
NBCNews reporting that McCain might choose Lieberman to show his distance from Bush. They say that both agree on Iraq but that Lieberman is a liberal on social issues like abortion rights. They get Lieberman saying how we have to get beyond partisanship and do what is good for the country. So really your suggestion that the media are biased I think is totally offbase. /s
andrew bacevich (friday on moyers was, imo, must see tv) was on democracy now! this morning. here’s a bit of the interview:
When your outpost along the border is about to be overrun by 100 people trying to kill you, you tend to have a different view about whether a few more US/NATO troops would be welcome. It’s not the only thing you need, and over time probably not the most important, but at this moment it seems to be necessary.
My view is that if you’re going to try to protect the border against Taliban/AQ from Pakistan, you have an obligation to send enough people to do it. It’s shameful not to. If you don’t care about who comes across the border, then our guys (or the French) shouldn’t be put in harms way.
There’s one more edit I’d recommend: Replace
with
which is exactly the point you’re making.
I realize this is picky, but it bugs me when I read “Commander in Chief” without a trailing “of.” The United States of America don’t have a “Commander in Chief.” Per the constitution: “The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; …”
I guess that I’ve heard too many conservatives use the unqualified “commander in chief” term to elevate the president to the status of an an emperor. It sort of makes him the MFICC.
and who was wrong
and who was right
it didn’t matter in the think of the fight
we’ll all go down together
maybe that’s where we disagree. i’d like to ask the question, “why is that outpost there?” BEFORE we send more troops there.
because i just haven’t heard a good justification yet.
I recommend that our Pakistan policy be to make common cause with India. I consider Pakistan to be ten times more dangerous than Iran.
Sobering, indeed.
BTW, for more good stuff on the nonsuccess of the surge, I recommend “Since When Did the Surge Succeed” by Greyhawk at Dkos: http://www.dailykos.com/story/.....921/553354
Is it true that Pakistan used our aid money to shore up the military on the India border while leaving the border along Afghanistan alone?
It succeeded when Republicans constructed a narrative that said it did and the lapdog media have dutifully repeated it ever since.
Billy Joel
Great tune
;~)
i could be very wrong about this, but the impression i’ve gotten from everything i’ve read so far (and granted, that’s not nearly enough) is that the border in question is more of a border to us than to the people who actually live there - and in fact many of them don’t even recognize it as anything more than an attempt by foreigners to impose their will.
and iirc, this most recent attack happened just south of where there was a big attack in july with something like 9(?) americans killed.
i’d like to know the justification for why a surge is going to work here. and no fair using any of the rationals that the Rs used to justify the surge in iraq.
I understood that it wasn’t so much about where (which border) they spent the money, but on what equiplemnent/weapons they bought, which seemed more appropriate for a conventinal war with India than a counter-insurgency fight with insurgents. But i haven’t been following that.
does that not mean losing in afghanistan?
does that not mean painting a big bullseye on americans all over the world?
from the nyt, july 15: Taliban Breached NATO Base in Deadly Clash. 9 dead, 15 injured.
Great post, Scarecrow! Too bad the media doesn’t do nuance! Even if they understand it themselves, they figure their readers won’t so they don’t want to explain thing to them. Then again, even if they wanted to explain things to them, their corporate sponsors and station editors or bosses wouldn’t allow it. The deck is stacked against Obama. Still, he needs to fight back a lot stronger. That’s what I like about Biden. He never fails to call a spade a spade, and that is not a racial remark at all. I really don’t like the new poll numbers, either.
I find this much more of a problem than Iraq in a way. The Taliban is so ruthless against women and children and I wish something could be done about that. The others are warlords. The poppies are their main or only crop. I don’t see anything changing in that country unless we choose to take out almost all the men. It’s a terrible situation and I don’t have any answers.
I’m with you on Biden. I think he’d be an effective fighter.
Sorry to say…CNN is reporting that Rep. Tubbs has died.
I sure wish they’d say that loudly enough for most people to hear. I think it would be a hell of a way to end McSlush’s chances.
OMG. RIP.
Finally a voice of sanity. Fred Kagan on the NewsHour explaining why the new missile defense system that Poland and the US have agreed upon is not aimed at Russia. More evidence that the media is both fair and balanced. /s
all i’m trying to say is that we need to have some answers before supporting a surge in afghanistan.
Damn! Now you’re gonna make me go back at look at what you could have said to end Obama’s chances! Have I mentioned I don’t read very fast?
I agree completely. It is a pitiful country and we made it worse by not doing what we needed to do.
Kagan going on about how the Russian invasion of Georgia is a violation of international law. You go, guy. Who says neocons are not strong backers of international law? . . . Sorry, had to stop for a moment I was misting up there.
it breaks my heart that my choices seem to be Rs for the WOT focused in iraq vs the Ds for the WOT focused in afghanistan/pakistan.
personally, at this moment, i think the D version is more dangerous.
did i just write that? damn.
LOL.
how can anyone listen to him and keep a straight face. who’s on with him and how are they doing?
That was pretty much Greyhawk’s point, IIRC.
When someone says that “the surge has succeed,” the immediate response should be “by what metric and of what value is that to the American taxpayer?”
The usual response is that violence has declined, which harkens back to Macnamara’s body-count metric which showed us winning a war we lost. I’m happy for the Iraqis that violence has declined, but it would have declined if we simply left. Where is the benefit to the U.S. taxpayer?.
Okay, I know that sounds cold and insensitive, but we’re dealing with a bunch of greedy neocons who are feigning compassion to manipulate us by out-bleeding their liberal opponents. We talk about Democrats moving to the center; this entire war was sold on bleeding-heart compassion. The coldest proponent of real-politik would have behaved more ethically than has the politics-and-punditry caste in the U.S. And, we’ve watched them get choked up over the horrible things that Saddam did. It wasn’t all an act. But, responsible left-brained citizens have an obligation to ask what difference does it make to us? Is a vital American interest at stake here?
And don’t say “oil”. Saddam would have sold us all the oil he could at market price, which is exactly what the Cayman Islands cartels whose interests we’ve served will do.
Hear. Hear.
Don’t have a name but he was fairly good. It’s just that the NewsHour’s idea of balance is to have on a raving lunatic wingnut neocon like Kagan vs someone moderate to moderate liberal.
McSh** says: I’m not questioning his patrioticism, I’m questioning his judgement; but Obama got testy.
IT IS questioning his patriotism to say he wants to “forfeit” in Iraq; IT IS questioning his patrioticism to say he would rather win the election than to win the war. Call out his bullsh**.
He is scary…
Good points. I especially like the reference to McNamara.
Not only that, don’t we need to so have more soldiers there to burn down all those poppy fields that we supported growing when we went in. They were banned by the Taliban, but we needed the Warlords so we looked the other way as they planted the basis for opium/heroin as their cash crop. Heck, we probably even bought their seeds with our own bribes. We can’t just walk away from Afghanistan now that we’ve helped to plant our own addictive drug problems, can we?
Plus, I’d really like to see someone make a serious effort to get Osama like we’ve been promised for years. I still think that 9/11 really was a declaration of war, just as Pearl Harbor was. Things will never be right again until bin Laden is captured or killed, IMO.
It’s standard political rhetoric. I call it Ciceronian ellipsis. Cicero used to say something like “I will not call the accused a low life scum bucket although you all know him to be one. Nor will I speak of his many previous crimes, his moral depravity, his cowardice, and his greed. For these are common knowledge. Rather I will speak . . .”
Yes. What a resume:
– graduated near the bottom of his class
– got shot down multiple times
– signed an anti-America confession:
– commanded a training company for a year
– used his self-promoted celebrity to get elected to congress
– also to marry a wealthier wife
– and bring in lots of lobbyist money.
i agree.
Pres.W has been talking to NO…I swear he is drunk telling folks all the things he had been predicted about bringing NO back. Not make mistakes of the past; no low income housing but great mixed income neighborhoods. The resident saying “We’re not back.” Liar.
Have we gotten alittle smarter…that we can at least see it and have a name for it? What garbage. Of course, McC probably knew Cicero
mixed incomes? - don’t make me laugh, Dubya
Specifically what McCain says is that Obama wants to “surrender” in Iraq, should that this highly qualified commander-in-chief material doesn’t understand the difference between withdrawal and surrender.
The U.S. military has withdrawn from lots of positions when they became untennable and/or no longer strategically significant. Any military that doesn’t is incompetent.
The U.S. no longer has a vital interest at stake in Iraq. In fact, we never did. The mission’s stated objective had already been achieved by Bill Clinton before the mission began.
The Times Picayune editor is gently calling the Pres a liar..
Yes, I believe McCain referred to him as that young whippersnapper.
Thanks for a great laugh…;)
And he probably thought Mc didn’t have much of a future…just longevity.
McCain said today that: “Obama doesn’t care whether American wins or loses in Iraq.” But there is nothing there for the taxpayers of America to “win.” McCain cares only about two things: bragging rights for himself and oil rights for the Cayman Islands oil cartels who are picking up the cost of his campaign. It’s a losing game for Americans no matter how you play it, and the longer you play a losing game, the more you lose.