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	<title>Comments on: American Health Care System More Broken Than You Imagined</title>
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		<title>By: weezimp</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/20/american-health-care-system-more-broken-than-you-imagined/#comment-1590706</link>
		<dc:creator>weezimp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I like to ask people this question: What if you heard about a company that, after you paid them your money for their goods or services, when you asked for them to deliver said services, they refused? Or suddenly decided it now costs double or triple what they originally told you? Two words come to my mind: fraud, or theft. But this is exactly how today’s insurance companies operate, especially health insurance, and it is also becoming common in home/flood/hurricane insurance.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The only way universal health insurance can work is if it is heavily regulated to prevent denials and usurious premiums. Facing that, the insurance companies will expect some sort of gov’t subsidized backup fund to prevent their losses. Another example of privatizing the gains and socializing the losses. It makes much more sense just to cut them loose.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For those that insist that single payer health care is socialism: think about how the insurance industry model is supposed to work. A large pool of people pay a little each month in premium, and when disaster strikes the victim is paid a claim from the pool of money they’ve collected. Doesn’t this remind you of something? From each according to their ability, to each according to their need? Isn’t that the communist manifesto?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also note: the larger the pool of people participating in the insurance model, the better prepared they are to handle claims. Best of all would be one big pool… say, all taxpayers?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to ask people this question: What if you heard about a company that, after you paid them your money for their goods or services, when you asked for them to deliver said services, they refused? Or suddenly decided it now costs double or triple what they originally told you? Two words come to my mind: fraud, or theft. But this is exactly how today’s insurance companies operate, especially health insurance, and it is also becoming common in home/flood/hurricane insurance.</p>
<p>The only way universal health insurance can work is if it is heavily regulated to prevent denials and usurious premiums. Facing that, the insurance companies will expect some sort of gov’t subsidized backup fund to prevent their losses. Another example of privatizing the gains and socializing the losses. It makes much more sense just to cut them loose.</p>
<p>For those that insist that single payer health care is socialism: think about how the insurance industry model is supposed to work. A large pool of people pay a little each month in premium, and when disaster strikes the victim is paid a claim from the pool of money they’ve collected. Doesn’t this remind you of something? From each according to their ability, to each according to their need? Isn’t that the communist manifesto?</p>
<p>Also note: the larger the pool of people participating in the insurance model, the better prepared they are to handle claims. Best of all would be one big pool… say, all taxpayers?</p>
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		<title>By: datadave</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/20/american-health-care-system-more-broken-than-you-imagined/#comment-1590183</link>
		<dc:creator>datadave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Our health care system is about stealing from working people and giving the money to the rich who are doctors and/or own the system. Until we all become so poor we have to be indigent and get a week govt. supplied health care plan. It’s a disgrace this Private Health Insurance which is a scam of ‘cherry picking’ and denying claims and little else but profiteering on the misery of others. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am essentially uninsured and scared of injury or sickness…but the poverty caused by paying into the ’scam’ is more than enough to cause injury and sickness. My only hope is marrying a govt. employee who has good benefits. (in my case, my fiancee fits the bill! lucky me but she has to get her NY divorce still..which is another slog btw…)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our health care system is about stealing from working people and giving the money to the rich who are doctors and/or own the system. Until we all become so poor we have to be indigent and get a week govt. supplied health care plan. It’s a disgrace this Private Health Insurance which is a scam of ‘cherry picking’ and denying claims and little else but profiteering on the misery of others. </p>
<p>I am essentially uninsured and scared of injury or sickness…but the poverty caused by paying into the ’scam’ is more than enough to cause injury and sickness. My only hope is marrying a govt. employee who has good benefits. (in my case, my fiancee fits the bill! lucky me but she has to get her NY divorce still..which is another slog btw…)</p>
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		<title>By: bigbrother</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/20/american-health-care-system-more-broken-than-you-imagined/#comment-1589877</link>
		<dc:creator>bigbrother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 04:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Forget it if we don’t get the WH&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget it if we don’t get the WH</p>
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		<title>By: bigbrother</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/20/american-health-care-system-more-broken-than-you-imagined/#comment-1589870</link>
		<dc:creator>bigbrother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 04:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Get off of us Pigs…from “off the pigs” which was not done…Thise Corona Del Mar California Ocean side gated communities with two Rolls Royce’s in the garage house the HMO’s executives. It’s become CA Cote D Azur&lt;br /&gt;
The old gold.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get off of us Pigs…from “off the pigs” which was not done…Thise Corona Del Mar California Ocean side gated communities with two Rolls Royce’s in the garage house the HMO’s executives. It’s become CA Cote D Azur<br />
The old gold.</p>
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		<title>By: sadlyyes</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/20/american-health-care-system-more-broken-than-you-imagined/#comment-1589740</link>
		<dc:creator>sadlyyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 03:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;4 of my babies left today&lt;br /&gt;
i posted upstairs&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://kissmecat.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://kissmecat.blogspot.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4 of my babies left today<br />
i posted upstairs</p>
<p><a href="http://kissmecat.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://kissmecat.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: DWBartoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWBartoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 03:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Cleanth;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The cosmic applicability of you humor would tickle the fancy of that famous non-believer, Douglas N. Adams, I am certain; and I, meself, have just (barely) scraped myself off the floor, laughing …&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Clearly, Murkans have DISCOVER(ed) how to ‘take it with them’ when they move, deservedly, on to their heavenly McMansions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;;~D&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cleanth;</p>
<p>The cosmic applicability of you humor would tickle the fancy of that famous non-believer, Douglas N. Adams, I am certain; and I, meself, have just (barely) scraped myself off the floor, laughing …</p>
<p>Clearly, Murkans have DISCOVER(ed) how to ‘take it with them’ when they move, deservedly, on to their heavenly McMansions.</p>
<p>;~D</p>
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		<title>By: nonplussed</title>
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		<dc:creator>nonplussed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 03:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You are correct my friend! The VA is the best example I know of that demonstrates what we must have to begin with. It exists now, so we have something concrete to work with, a known success story. We can refine this entity and make it better, but this is what we need to begin with. I have talked to many of the Doctors working there and surprisingly (to me, at least) none of them took a pay cut to come to the VA!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are correct my friend! The VA is the best example I know of that demonstrates what we must have to begin with. It exists now, so we have something concrete to work with, a known success story. We can refine this entity and make it better, but this is what we need to begin with. I have talked to many of the Doctors working there and surprisingly (to me, at least) none of them took a pay cut to come to the VA!</p>
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		<title>By: Beerfart Liberal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beerfart Liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 03:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;BTW, this tropical storm has &lt;em&gt;really &lt;/em&gt;overstayed her welcome.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, this tropical storm has <em>really </em>overstayed her welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: sadlyyes</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/20/american-health-care-system-more-broken-than-you-imagined/#comment-1589726</link>
		<dc:creator>sadlyyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 03:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;hahahahaahahahaha&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hahahahaahahahaha</p>
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		<title>By: sadlyyes</title>
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		<dc:creator>sadlyyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 03:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Which is exactly what Wall Street wants to do with our retirement funds: because their brain trusts manage funds so well they’ve run out of clients credulous enough to believe them.&lt;br /&gt;
======================&lt;br /&gt;
no shiite sherlock………….crooks and liars all&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which is exactly what Wall Street wants to do with our retirement funds: because their brain trusts manage funds so well they’ve run out of clients credulous enough to believe them.<br />
======================<br />
no shiite sherlock………….crooks and liars all</p>
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