Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) was the high wire the USSR and NATO walked during the Cold War. Both sides knew they could utterly destroy the other side (and the rest of humanity, for good measure) and both sides knew they couldn’t get off a first strike which made it impossible for the other side to still wipe them out. Despite grave fears, the world survived the Cold War and MAD—we threaded the tightrope.
NATO expansion threatens the equilibrium of mutually assured destruction. MAD requires that both sides have clear and transparent knowledge of what the other side will and won’t escalate over. In the Cold War, both sides knew that an attack on a NATO or Warsaw Pact member by the other side would lead to general war, and understood that that general war could easily escalate to nuclear confrontation, probably started by whoever thought they were losing. Everyone outside of NATO was, essentially, in play.
The closest we came to nuclear annihalation was the Cuban Missile Crisis. The US was unwilling to tolerate Russia having missiles on Cuba, since that meant first strike capability against the US. If the USSR had (or thought it had) first strike capability, the logic of MAD disintegrated. So Kennedy was willing to escalate over the issue, and quite rightly so. Cuba was also, frankly, inside the US’s sphere of influence, though the US wasn’t willing to push the issue with a real invasion. But Russia wasn’t sure if the US would escalate, and until Khrushchev decided Kennedy was serious about it, the world hung in balance.
So When Merkel says that Georgia joining NATO is merely a matter of when, not if, I start to get real twitchy because I don’t know that both sides are sure if either will escalate or not.
The problem with NATO expansion is simply this: each expansion calls into question NATO’s willingness to go to war. Would the US and Europe and (importantly) Turkey really declare war with Russia over Georgia or one of the Baltic States? Or even the Ukraine?
Everyone thinks NATO is a magic bullet. That if you add someone to it, it’s this wall that the Russians won’t cross.
What if they do?
Two scenarios
- Everyone is supposed to declare war on Russia but some NATO members, maybe including the US, don’t. NATO falls apart, if people won’t come to the defense of other members, it’s no longer a real military alliance.
- NATO members all declare war, per their treaty obligation.
Russian strategic doctrine then calls for an all out assault, and if they start to lose, to go to tac nukes, and if they lose even with tac nukes, to go to strat nukes. And they would lose a general war, no question, but depending on where the US army is stationed at any given time, it’s not unthinkable that they could blow right through the Ukraine, Poland and into Germany before they stall out and start getting pushed back. That land is essentially one big open plain. The only hope of stopping them, given their local superiority in number of tanks, is to go massive air power. You do that, and their doctrine is to reply with tac nukes.
It escalates very fast. NATO’s clearly willing to do it under certain circumstances – certainly for Poland. But for Georgia? It would be like the old USSR deciding that one of the various US invasions of Latin America was causus belli and escalated to nukes over it. People would think they’re insane. Yet we’re inviting the reverse. It’s like inviting Panama to the Warsaw Pact.
And I wonder what China does? I wouldn’t want to be Taiwan at such a time. Sounds like a good time to institute that one China policy.
Merkel has decided to finish encircling Russia.
We’ll see if Russia agrees with that solution. I don’t think Putin will do it, but the thought has to be running through his mind, as it is through mine, that the troops are already in Georgia and that a reintegrated Georgia won’t be joining NATO.
Fortunately, I doubt he wants another 10 year Chechen campaign on his hands. It would pin down too many troops.
But the larger point is simply this: if Georgia or the Ukraine joins NATO, NATO’s commitment to defend those countries has to be ironclad and seen as ironclad. If Russia doubts that commitment, or thinks that the possibility of NATO being so close to Russia might make NATO think it could get away with a first strike, then Russia may act. And if Russia acts, we could have a cascade that leads to nuclear war.
So the questions I think NATO leaders need to seriously ask themselves are twofold:
- Am I really willing to go to war with Russia over Georgia or the Ukraine?
- Am I, personally, willing to die in this war? Because if it goes nuclear, I could.
Some will call this appeasement. They’re the same folks who probably wanted NATO to send the tanks in during Prague Spring. And certainly there’s a moral argument for it (though lord knows Saakashvili is not some paragon of democracy, along with being an idiot). But there’s a reason NATO didn’t go toe-to-toe with the Warsaw Pact for Eastern Europe’s freedom, and that reason is that their suffering, while real, was a lesser evil than war between the two alliances.
Georgia breaks the logic of MAD. It is too clearly in Russia’s sphere of influence, it is completely impossible to actually defend, and there is too much reason to doubt NATO nations willingness to go to war with Russia for Georgia. For all those reasons, it is not clearly off limits for conventional attack, and therefore could provoke a war, because it’s uncertain to both sides what would happen.
That uncertainty could get a lot of people killed.
So, it’s harsh, it’s cold, but letting Georgia into NATO is reckless and stupid and could well lead to what we managed to avoid during all those decades of the cold war – a real nuclear exchange.




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It is sheer madness, Ian!
Bush doesn’t surprise me but I assumed Merkel was smarter. Maybe some of his stupid rubbed off during that unsolicited shoulder rub.
I agree Ian, but the only reason we are all still alive ever since Hiroshima and Nagasaki, is because most of the world is not suicidal….however, with a McManiac in office…I dunno…Putin is probably trying to get money to back off. He reeks of Russian mafia. Crooks all of them.
These current leaders are far to greedy to end it all.
To repeat from a couple of nights ago. My friend of Ukranian origin assures me that Russians are savages. And, NATO membership is a magic bullet that will prevent Russia from invading Ukraine, which she is sure is otherwise next. Not evaluating, just reporting.
i didn’t know this but scott horton (blogs at harpers, teaches at columbia law school) taught saakashvili, hired him as an intern and knows georgia and region well. and the other scott horton (of antiwar.com) interviewed him yesterday. i thought it was pretty interesting.
http://antiwar.com/radio/2008/…..horton-13/
What is the sudden rush to get Georgia into NATO? Does it have to be right now? Geez
I don’t think Putin is a lot more corrupt (by Russian standards) than he has to be. In fact, I’d even say that by Russian standards he’s not particularly corrupt at all. No need to, he runs the state, the state controls everything worth having anyway and his version of corruption is having the state control that stuff – it’s very communist thinking. Now our scumbag in Moscow during the 90s, he was beyond corrupt in the normal sense of the word.
I’m not sure that we’d go to war over the Ukraine even. I think Poland is the end of it. Maybe the Baltic states, though I wonder.
But the point is this stuff is in doubt, and not just by me. Lots of folks think NATO wouldn’t go to war for Georgia or the Ukraine even if they’re members. And that creates some deadly uncertainty.
Greed has led many astray and invokes irrational impulses.
It seems to me that any species that plays with such “toys” is eo ipso defective.
It is not calculation of profit which scares me half as much as these irrational impulses.
It also troubles me that this self-evidently insane species, homo sapiens, can destroy the home of all the other forms of life with which we share this fragile earth island.
“These toys” in my just previous refers to nukes and wmd.
Great dancer, though.
If I interpret my friend’s comments correctly, it’s not a matter of going to war. NATO membership automatically precludes Russia from going there.
Gee, now why would a former KGB agent/Leader want to control everything?
Well, the real question is if Russia’s leaders agree. I don’t know. They might. But they might not.
I know what you are saying, but they are in a very weird place in the world right now…they have come out of the break-up of the SU, and they have evolved an economy of sorts…Putin, even if he controls the nukes…doesn’t want to die, he wants money and luxury…remember the pictures of him with his shirt off…he’s very egoic…he is a profiteer. All of this stuff is BS and sensational…plus…Putin is basically a Neocon. W meant it when he said he saw his soul in his eyes. Self recognizing self. Sarkozy and Berluscosi are also big neocons.
Think about it….just look at W and Putin’s body language at the Olympics…kissy face…W knew all about what was happening in Georgia. They are all on the same page. Then McStupid makes his comments…and the press supports his “tough” talk. Theater. Theater.
It is all designed to create more terror and fear in the world and further their agenda.
Thank goodness we’re sapient, or we’d really screw things up…
I am wary of all magic bullets. Just reporting Ukrainian on the ground opinion, which, in addition to my friend, seems reported in the media.
Have to retire now. See yall tomorrow.
g’nite ecahn
g’night
It takes a yea vote by all members of NATO to accept a new member surely there is somebody sane out there
I was shocked at what Merkel said. But a commenter to Billmon’s recent Kos diary on NATO pointed out the NATO has already issued pro forma support for admission of Ukraine and Georgia.
” Update 8/18: A commenter poins out that the NATO summit did in fact issue a communique “stating that the Republic of Georgia will become a member” (as well as Ukraine) – as a sop to the two republics and their American backers. Not a binding promise, but also not an Orwellian parallel universe. “
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..2337/96853
So Merkel’s statement is not new and might be boilerplate to keep the bratpack of two happy until they are kicked out of power.
For Georgia, if ’someday’ means when they get their ethnic enclaves in order, that might be a very long time from now. Russia added demands to ceasefire reopening international negotiatons on security arrangements for Abkhasia and Ossetia. Georgia requested that the ceasefire include a promise that these negotiations ‘follow’ the existing UN and OSCE decisions on Ossetia. Russia rejected them. So, settling the border enclave issues will take a long time.
BTW, it seems to me that that item on the ceasefire indicates that there was in fact a legitimate international security arragement for Ossetia. So, unless there is some very serious Russian provocation (that we have not heard a peep about yet), the Georgian invasion was a overt violation of international law (yeah, I’m a little old fashioned). The first part of the attack was killing 15 Russian peacekeepers, and wounding many more. They were legitimate peacekeepers recognized by international law, regardless of how the US pundit class and Cheney-Bush try to lie about that for sweep it under the rug.
Also, there is another ethnic enclave(Ajaria) that, because not bordering a big power, has been subjected to a rather oppressive Georgia for Georgians style integration. I wonder how long it will stay quiet.
But still, Merkel’s talk is frightening, and I am very glad you are discussing some basic problems our dysfunctional US foreign policy. Unfortunately the most dysfunctional aspects are the most bipartisan and consensus.
Goes without saying in Bush’s case it is attributable to stupidity but perhaps for Merkel it is political posturing with the knowledge that other members won’t permit it. Risky game, though.
I assume that Merkel and Bush are bluffing just how would we get troops tanks etc to Georgia my Atlas shows that German troops would have to cross the Baltic states, Belarus or the Ukraine to attack Russia to help Georgia.
Any country that allows troops to pass though so they can attack Russia will be a target maybe the Ukraine might risk it.
Turkey is the only NATO ally that borders Georgia they want in on the European Union will Europe deal no they are all afraid of Turkish immigrants coming to their countries especially with the economy slowing.
Can America send ships into the Black Sea to help Georgia? Only if we can defeat the Russian Navy and Airforce at the narrow Bosporus?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosporus
The Bosporus or Bosphorus, also known as the Istanbul Strait, (Turkish: İstanbul Boğazı) (Greek: Βόσπορος) is a strait that forms the boundary between the European part (Rumelia) of Turkey and its Asian part (Anatolia). The world’s narrowest strait used for international navigation, it connects the Black Sea with the Sea of Marmara (which is connected by the Dardanelles to the Aegean Sea, and thereby to the Mediterranean Sea). It is approximately 30 km long, with a maximum width of 3,700 metres at the northern entrance, and a minimum width of 700 metres between Kandilli and Aşiyan; and 750 metres between Anadoluhisarı and Rumelihisarı. The depth varies from 36 to 124 metres in midstream. The shores of the strait are heavily populated as the city of Istanbul (with a metropolitan area in excess of 11 million inhabitants) straddles it.
Aloha, eCAHN!
and not only today’s leaders. tomorrow’s and the day after’s…. all the future leaders there may be
Bingo. Second verse….same as the first, and the one before that, and before that…
Major General Butler warned of this dynamic in the 1930s, when he wondered why so many American bankers, including Shrubya’s grandpappy Prescott Bush, were propping up Hitler. Butler knew what was happening since he had seen it before. This ended up being WWII, and according to Butler could have easily been avoided if the public would wake the hell up.
http://warisaracket.com/
Yes, just as you described. Of course, getting Blue America’s Alan Grayson elected would be a step in the right direction.
http://www.graysonforcongress.com/
Istanbul is the former Constantinople – capital of the Roman Empire under Constantine. Constantine was the first modern Christian warmonger.
Oh, and remember Putin’s weekend at Shrubya’s place in Kennebunkport within the last year or so? I remember thinking at the time something was being planned. It’s been an odd dance between those two ever since.
A few general comments.
1. It is oft forgotten, that during the Cuban Missile Crisis, we had a large number of ballistic missiles stationed in Turkey and aimed at Russia. That was the provocation for their attempt to equalize the balance of terror.
It is common in America to praise JFK for his comportment during the crisis. It is less often remembered that Kruschev was able to back away from the cliff , because he felt secure in his position of power and because we agreed to remove the missiles from Turkey.
(BTW, the crisis happened at the same time my father (we were stationed in Bermuda) was scheduled to retire. His retirement was delayed, because he got orders to sea to be the electronics officer on one of the carriers covering the planned invasion.)
2. I remember an interesting article in SciAM back in the 90’s about MAD. The question was how many surviveable warheads would it take to be an effective deterrent. The answer they cae up with was about 300, 3 each on the fifty largest cities, with one backup for each in case of fratricide or other malfunction. Taking out the fifty largest cities would, they said, destroy 80% of the industry, 75% of the government, 90% of the medical and so forth and would pretty much count as a wipeout.
300 warheads is all it takes, for them or for us. We have what 4-5000? Each and every balistic missile submarine probably has 300 or so (counting MIRVs). I am not ready to face that for any other NATO mamber at all.
NATO admittedly was more effective than its partner organization, the North East Atlantic Treaty Organization. Its founders blamed the acronym.
Ukraine is new England ~ the origin of the russian nation ~ and Georgia is next door, say, Ontario in honor of our front pager. trying to take these away from Russia’s sphere of influence is true insanity.
egr from iPhone
Well, oops. I guess the most dysfunctional part of US foreign policy is the necon project to destroy as much international law as they can, and cynically subvert whatever they cannot destroy. And, to explicitly adopt pre-emptive war that includes tactical nukes to solve our problems. Shock ‘n Awe, and the kind of international crises and flare-ups we have seen recently will be standard operating procedure.
But the Brzezinski style approach might end up going in the necon direction. The difference is that the Brzezinski school fancies it is continuing the kind of careful and caustious strategy and calclation and characterized the most successful aspects of western strategy in the Cold War. But I think they are mouthing facile word games, while fooling themsevles that they are thinking seriously.
So, my fear is that these Democratic advisors who think they are playing grand chess are just conceited fools aping playing chess. And that they will end up acting like the neocons, except it will take longer and they will lie to themselves about what they are doing.
fifty largest cities in each country or worldwide?
The Bosporus is only 3,700 meters wide at its northern with and 700 meters wide at its minimum.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosporus
It seems like a great place to lay mines for ships that would have to be cleared first before we could move. Also any ships sunk there in battle would make the passage even narrower sink enough ships there by forcing a battle and the Bosporus is closed.
Why else has Russia lusted after a different warm weather port over the centuries? Because they know that their ports in Georgia could be blocked off at the Bosporus very easily.
Heck Russia could just sink their own ships to block the Bosporus and avoid a fight if they wanted to.
I think you are right about the missiles in Turkey. They do not play any role in the mythology -it has to be great victory for the west, in which we stood strong and gave up nothing.
It is possible that Merkel and ShrubCheney are enticing Putin with this NATO threat hoping that Putin will use this opportunity to lock down Georgia and get it back into the fold.
Then, ShrubCheney can attack Iran as Putin turns a blind eye. Tit for tat.
I confess I had forgotten the missiles in Turkey. Interesting… and telling.
I agree with what you are saying on some level. The current leaders in the major countries of the world are mostly Neocons. Others coming into the game are like regular people with normal civilized policies trying to enter the mafia. You have to be “made”. Bush via his father and grandfather are “made”, Hitler was “made”, Mousselini was “made”, Berlusconi is “made, Putin is “made”. Merkel…not really. Gordon…not. Blair is “made”.
They are all goodfellas. Cheney is sort of a Godfather, but the real Godfather is Kissinger. The Feiths and Pearles of the world are all enablers and are “made”.
Oh, yeah, and I think that GWHB’s words about the New World Order were real and he meant every word of it.
JMHO
Hadn’t thought of that. October surprise, huh?
Also, in the ceasefire, Russia reserved the right to:
5. Russian military forces must withdraw to the lines prior to the start of hostilities. While awaiting an international mechanism, Russian peacekeeping forces will implement additional security measures (addition by Geogia that was rejected: six months).
If I understand this correctly, Russia can take its time to make things nice and safe and tidy from their point of view, before they completely withdraw.
So, I think this will be in the news on and off until the next administration comes in. I wonder whether the Russia gets real quiest after the Olympics when this gets more attention. So far, polls say most of the US public aren’t paying this much mind -’cause everything seems OK around Atlanta, what is this Georgia stuff anyway? That might change after Olympics end and campaign heats up.
We cannot protect everyone from every danger. I don’t think we can protect Georgia from Russian predation. Or maybe not Ukraine. Or maybe not Poland.
But John McCain thinks we can and we should.
Can we have that conversation this election season, please?
Cass Sunstein comes to mind.
The issue is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
In Russia, as part of the surviving elements after a Russian first strike. That was the logic of MAD. Neither side could take enough off the board to be able to survive the return strike.
But why would Russia want to do that? It would be mess for them. I think if something like that happens the response will be swift and brutal, with as much force as needed to make it easy for them. But then withdraw as quickly as they meet their objectives.
Not that I trust the Russians as good actors. I just think their leaders are are more disciplined and smarter than Cheney and Bush.
I think you are right about the missiles in Turkey. They do not play any role in the mythology -it has to be great victory for the west, in which we stood strong and gave up nothing.
That is the problem Bush believes the myths and he wants to be remembered as standing strong and giving up nothing too. Still I don’t see where we would get the troops to help Georgia without pulling troops from Iraq.
I don’t see how the troops would get there? I thought most of our navy was headed to Iran so just how long would it take to get them to Georgia from their current position?
Do our generals want to risk a nuclear war for Bush is the next question?
Excellent Point Teddy. Can you save that? Its cryptonite for McCain. Let him tapdance around that shite with those old stiff shoulders.
It’s like “they” (the neocon players) all have “gangs”…and they need dedicated drones to go out and fight their skirmishes and wars…willing to die for their particular “gang” (but really to get a cut of the profit)…but the upper level never goes to fight…they “collect” profit. That is what is going on. They would, without a doubt, sacrifice a city or 2 towers, or whatever to get what they want to make the game work. They would/have/would.
I too was disturbed by that Maine holiday, and have been puzzled since.
Another forgotten piece of history. Kissinger was one of the first civilian strategists (along with Herman Kahn) to think about surviving thermonuclear war. He was the role for the ex-Nazi in Dr Strangelove who worried about the mine-shaft gap.
Russia might trade Iranian Oil to us in exchange for Georgia’s warm water port. Then, Putin can help ship and middlemanage the Iranian oil after Cheney steals it.
Do the Bushies want to put missiles in Georgia? Is it strategic for any reason? I was just doing some research and Georgia is about the size of North Dakota and has 4.6 million people which is less than the Bay Area.
Yup, and he was at the Olympics with W, and Pootie.
It has a major pipeline in it. Other than that, it’s not strategic.
No one in the West remembers the missiles in Turkey, but they were, for the Soviets, both the precipitate and the solution to the crisis.
Odd, no?
They got Poland and the Czech Republic. They don’t really need Georgia.
Doesn’t Germany get oil and Natural gas from Russia? Germany is great with solar and wind power but they don’t have enough to offset the loss of Russian oil and natural gas yet.
The funny thing about pipelines though is that in order for Russia to punish Germany they would have to shut off all of Europe’s oil and natural gas.
My guess is the EU nations already facing an economic down turn thanks to European banks being dumb enough to but American subprime loans won’t let Germany risk an oil embargo especially of Iran and Venezuela join in.
That’s typical of American History. Very few Americans realize that without free negroes, slaves and the French, we would have lost the Revolutionary War.
Fay is takin’ her time, man. Everything’s fine in The City Beautiful (Barack was here today, after all). Just wet.
The logic of MAD is the reason why ABM systems are so de-stabilizing. The ability to survive the strike causes to fear to use it or lose it before the system becomes operational.
Russia won’t buy the anti-terrorist cover for our Star Wars deployment in Poland.
Georgia is never going to join NATO.
I heard Condi Rice on the radio tonight from the NATO meeting. What an idiot. Didn’t anyone ever tell her not to make idle threats ?
On topic …
Georgians curse ‘tunnel of misfortune’
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Attack on Georgia Gives Boost To Big U.S. Weapons Programs
McCain:
Does he? Are we?
Is that, like, Czechoslovakia ?
Right. Its in Germany’s interest to let Russia have what it wants. Especially with Iran and Venezuela in cahoots and on the outs.
I think Russia wants a port past the Bosporus that is not so easy to blockade. All our troops are in Iraq so Russia is thinking they can get whatever they want right now.
Weakness invites Wolves
Exactly what I said when i heard that– You don’t speak for me. Now THAT was presumptuous. Who the hell said McCain could speak for me? Of all people.
And the Hessians (mercs) !
jane is upstairs
enough to but American subprime loans won’t let Germany risk an oil embargo especially
ofif Iran and Venezuela join in.IIRC, Pilsen is the world’s first lager beer from Czechoslavakia.
that really the only thing we need to be thinking about?
don’t we have interests that go beyond any specific pipeline? for example, don’t we need to be thinking about how we are going to be participating in world wide negotiations on what to do about global warming? how about negotiating decreases in nuclear weapons or another npt?
how do our actions wrt the current mess in georgia affect our ability to negotiate with our friends and not-friends in the coming years (if at all)?
Word is some major bank is failing…like now. Anyone hear that? Anyone know which one?
It is amusing, by the way, that you chose a picture of a French test for a blog about US, Russia and Germany.
It was the best looking picture. What can I say, no reason why the apocalypse can’t be pretty.
Lehman looks to be be having difficulties – AIG too
That’s all the interest the US has in Georgia. How the US handles the Georgia fiasco and so on, and what effects that has on various relations, is a whole other matter.
That was for LS @72
There are at least three … and, the Baku Tbilisi Ceyhan pipeline was negotiated by James Baker. Yea that James Baker
Oh, and btw, Prescott Bush and George Herbert Walker ( Great Grandfather of W) negotiated
stoleoil contracts in the Caspian-Black Sea region in the 20’sThese guys just keep running the same playbook, don’t they. The world truly is run by very few people.
Something weird happened with regard to oil politics in that part of the world in the summer/autumn of 06. I don’t know what it was, just observing the backwash. Good people who knew what they were doing were being pushed out for…what?
Yup
Well, Lehman…among others…but they’re going to get around it with asset sales.
so it just seems to me that we should take those things into account when considering what we think would be good policy choices.
don’t have any answers – just lots of questions.
I have had this gut feeling that some sort of control was moving to Dubai
I thought it strange indeed that people I knew were suddenly learning to speak Turkish in 2002.
It’s also where Iosef Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili got his start
Damn your on point as usual.We don’t have to sift through spin to get the point or get to the bottom. Where are our strategic thinkers?
“Bush doesn’t surprise me but I assumed Merkel was smarter. Maybe some of his stupid rubbed off during that unsolicited shoulder rub.”
That is he implanted the CIA control chip…weren’t her talking it was the chip program.
Nope. I’m a Californian.
Th Georgia week exposed a great deal of unknown oil Oligarchy influence in Centra Asia. Stalin was from that area. Millions of Ukrainians were starved by Stalin in the grain famine.
The centralization of collective farmimg put the peasnants off of the land.
The corporative centralizin of farms in America has done the equivalent to our rural population. The same in colonial Africa and Communist China.
Can we go back to the old Eurpean model of families living off of small parcel like say rural zoning in many patrs of califormia. A fish pong for food and water storage for drinking, Garden areas and some cash crops? This has been a week of massive amounts os information.
The Oil Oligarchy is very aggressive and doeb not have Americas interest at heart. That is very disturbing and in fact war for oil is the drumbeat og Globalization.
North of Iran East of Turkey and West of the Caspian Sea oil is farmed and piped/shipped West. They want it to go South hence the Wars and Militaryases in Iraq and other ME states.
I don’t think the Oil Oligarch recognises states. And the Neocons are going around our government and legislature.
Their is and has been a huge and ongoing conspiracy against the American people.
Exceptional post Ian, the comments are also starting to show geopolitical and historical awareness as well. I do suppose it to be asking too much, if all these things are in mind and accounted for, before Yanks and their government start moving their lips. /s
This is sooo EPU’d
The Guardian ran this story this morning. http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl…..orgia.nato
It seems the stupid is spreading, the British minister is doing just what his masters are wanting. The British government is controlled by Neocon-WashingtonDC. Sarcozy of France is already yapping at the heels of Russia demanding unconditional withdrawal immediately, not at all what was agreed to by the Russians who are there, in Ossetia BY TREATY, to maintain peace, having approval of 90% of the resident population to do so. Merkle of Germany is in a dilemma, doesn’t know whether to shit or go blind, has decided to go blind and support the American position to extend NATO into the bear’s den.
When will the adults take hold of the asylum? Or is that too much to hope for? Anymore, to qualify to be an American, proof of lobotomy is required. Good thing though, when all goes down the toobs, it will take the establishment with it, so far removed is it from reality, it will be unable to save itself, even with its great wealth. The demise of the Amerikan monster is the only way the world will be able to survive; survival is not an option as long as that monster exists. Sad
NATO is a US construct but it still requires individual member nations’ (European) Parliamentary approval to commit troops. Given that, it does not matter what Merkel says, European Parliaments will not go to war to defend the territorial integrity of Stalin’s homeland. Georgia’s borders are in dispute and autonomy agreed to for Abkhazia or S Ossetia will ensure NATO members’ noncooperation regardless of Merkel or the USA. Remember that NATO agrees to go to war in defence of any member nation’s territorial integrity. Georgia in NATO isn’t going to happen.
Let me suggest that we have all been driven crazy by inferiority, the perception that human nature is vile. This makes us suicidal as we pursue the impossible, seeking to prove ourselves or our group (nation) superior to the rest. Negative collective imagery causes hierarchy and hierarchy, whether individual or national is the problem. Hierarchy is insane because no matter what we accumulate in this life, we die, just like everyone else. Our distinctions are foolishness, just as letting Georgia into NATO under present circumstances is foolishness. What do our “leaders” seek to prove? That we follow them proves only that we are as crazy as they are.
Western Ukraine is pro-Russian. It is only in the eastern portion of the country that “Russians are savages”.
Russia will NOT give up Sevastopol.
Britain has already been on the outs with Russia over the poisoning of what’s his name with polonium a year or so ago. Plus, Britain is still Bush’s bitch.