Tom Schaller is a name that should be familiar to FDL readers. He recently hosted a Book Salon on Bob Moser’s book Blue Dixie, and his writings have been among the chief weapons in the arsenals of those who fight against the Blue Dog, Republican-appeasing "centrist" mentality that has gripped the Democrats for so many years.
Schaller’s main thesis, which he reiterates again in this article for Salon, is simply this: The South is lost to Democrats for the foreseeable future, if not forever, because racial polarization is just too deeply embedded to be easily overcome:
In the years following that fateful 2000 presidential election, economic populism has come into vogue on the left. In fact, some liberals have elevated it to the status of panacea for the Democratic Party, and it has been cited as the key thread that weaves together the elections of politicians ranging from Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer to Ohio Sen. Sherrod Brown to Virginia Sen. Jim Webb.
However, leaving aside a few Southerners like Webb (more on the rookie senator in a moment), economic populism tends to be more useful politically in the post-globalization Rust Belt, or the new growth economies of the Far West, than in the South. Though the South is the nation’s poorest region and millions of Southerners of all races are hurting financially, the conclusion reached by many demographic analysts, myself included, is that the deep-seated social conservatism and widespread resistance to race-blind redistribution in the South serve as powerful bulwarks against the curative effects of economic populism.
Moser’s argument is that it’s possible for Democrats to win back the South without resorting to Blue Dogism. Schaller, on the other hand, argues that winning back the entire region is currently impossible; those Democrats who have won in recent years have done so in areas that are bluer and more prosperous than the rest of the South, often as a result of extremely lucky breaks, and are usually more conservative than Democrats elsewhere — and even with all that, they’re not exactly winning by landslides.
As Schaller states, Webb’s race was, even with his being a former Republican in a trending-blue state with a highly unpopular Republican president in the White House dragging down the GOP, a nail-biter that he would have likely lost without his opponent’s making the "macaca" gaffe. Other Southern Democrats haven’t fared much better. John Edwards was born in South Carolina, but he had to move to the somewhat bluer North Carolina to have any hope of a political career — and, despite running as a centrist-conservative Democrat, only managed to beat Lauch Faircloth by four points in 1998. Mark Warner also ran and runs as a moderate to conservative Democrat in Virginia, as does Tim Kaine. Their victories have not exactly been resounding: Warner won the 2001 governor’s race by five points, while Kaine won his 2005 gubernatorial election by five points, and his 2001 lieutenant governorship by two.
There’s a reason that the Republican Party’s deliberate and planned repudiation of civil rights and the legacy of Lincoln, combined with an appeal to segregationist Dixiecrat politicians opposed to the Democrats’ civil rights push to switch parties, is called "the Southern Strategy". The alliance of segregationist ex-Democrats like Strom Thurmond with the GOP’s corporate wing managed, in the space of less than a generation, to flip the South from solid Democratic to the GOP’s strongest region. And as Schaller points out, populism in the South usually only succeeds electorally when combined with racist pandering, or at the very least a reluctance to interfere with established social structures; the reason the New Deal was accepted in the South was because FDR didn’t dare push too hard for programs that might actually benefit blacks more than whites.
Merely getting more Southern blacks to vote won’t solve this problem; as Schaller mentioned in the New York Times last month, Southern blacks are already close to maxed out in terms of voting — the problem is that white Southern voters not only outnumber them, but vote overwhelmingly Republican:
Mississippi, the state with the nation’s highest percentage of African-Americans in its population, illustrates how difficult Mr. Obama’s task will be in the South. Four years ago, President Bush beat John Kerry there by 20 points. For the sake of argument, let’s assume that Mr. Obama could increase black turnout in Mississippi to 39 percent of the statewide electorate, up from 34 percent in 2004, according to exit polls. And let’s assume that Mr. Obama will win 95 percent of those voters, up from the 90 percent who voted for Mr. Kerry four years ago.
If that happened, the black vote would yield Mr. Obama 37 percent of Mississippi’s statewide votes. To get the last 13 percent he needs for a majority, Mr. Obama would need to persuade a mere 21 percent of white voters in Mississippi to support him. Sounds easy, right?
But only 14 percent of white voters in the state supported Mr. Kerry. Mr. Obama would need to increase that number by 7 percentage points — a 50 percent increase. Mr. Obama struggled to attract white Democrats in states like Ohio and South Dakota. It strains credulity to believe that he will attract three white voters in Mississippi for every two that Mr. Kerry did.
Keep in mind that this analysis (and the speculation that Mr. Obama will generate unprecedented black turnout in the South) does not consider the possibility that white voter turnout will rise, too. Passage of the 1965 Voting Rights Act led to an upsurge in black voting in the South, but it also caused many white Southerners to register and vote as well — for the Republicans.
One thing that an Obama victory will demonstrate this fall: That a Democratic presidential candidate can win without the South. Indeed, as current polling shows at FiveThirtyEight.com, Virginia is the most likely of the Confederate states to be taken by Obama, and that’s right now a 50-50 shot at best.
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So, Phoenix Woman, how are you doing?
Hey, PW!
Heh. If Obama chose Lou Dobbs as his VP, they would sweep the election, because the Dobbian thinking is where the disillusioned Pukes have migrated..
Of course that is just a ridiculous thought…heh, heh.
Thanks for this! The maps all seem to be saying to me that Obama is doing best in the NE, the Left Coast, and the Midwest. Is the Midwest the latest swing region?
Oh, and BTW, don’t look now, but Rachel Maddow is about to get her own show on MSNBC (KO post over on dKos!)
Bob in HI
A sad state of affairs, when race is still considered more important than competence. My ex moved Georgia 20 yrs ago and although we remain best of friends, I have noticed an acclimatization to quiet bigotry from her liberal bent while living in California. Hopefully not all Carpetbaggers will turn red neck!
A bright spot in the South for Progressives, and not mentioned above, may be the influx of Latinos
‘ere ya go:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..005/570567
and – Yippeeee!!
Dems can and have won in Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, Louisiana, and Arkansas…
There was a dem senator in Georgia not to long ago if memory serves…
Alabama, South Carolina, and Mississippi are a different story.,.,.
The south is not homogenized.
Breaking: Obama to choose Rachel Maddow as VP choice!!!!!
Sorry, wrong email…
CTuttle will absolutely melt.
Hello everyone!
I do want to emphasize that this doesn’t mean we should cut the South loose; as has been mentioned, Southern demographics are changing. But it does mean that we needn’t feel that we should jettison huge chunks of the Democratic platform in order to try to cater to folk who won’t vote for us so long as race is their main arbiter.
CTuttle will absolutely melt.
Let’s tell him she got fired. *G*
Yeah….CT!!! Rachel got fired as KO’s sit-in host or whatever you call it…Heh, heh.
You realize we’ll never hear the end of this….*g*
The thing is: What did they have to do to win?
Even in the bluer parts of the South, guys like Webb and Edwards and Warner have won by slim margins at best. And look at the negative reaction that their relative conservatism elicits when their names are mentioned as VP picks (Edwards was the exception but his turn to the left was of recent origin).
Since Reconstruction, Florida has sought to repress the AA vote by various strategies, one being enshrined in the state constitution. By denying felons restoration of their civil rights the state could decrease the voting population just by jailing folks. An increase in the Latino population gave the state even more folks to repress and they have gone about it with a will. Gov Crist has changed that policy and now it is alledgedly easier for felons to have their civil rights restored. Our illustrious AG McCollum believes felons should pay for their sins for the rest of their lives. The increase in the number of voters of colour in this election will be huge.
This says nothing about the policies that allow the filling of more and more prison beds for the privatized prison industry but we’re working on getting that thrown out as well. The states wants to spend zero of public education but has no qualms about funneling billions to the private prison industry.
What about the candidacy of Bob Barr could this steal away enough of the
repug vote to help Obama? Also could there ultimately be many repugs who just stay home as McCains negatives become more apparent
Obama was criticized for not wanting to put money into the south for registration but was apparently overruled and they will spend 10m. His reason was that the AA voter registration was as high as it was possibly going to get and the money would be wasted.
He was exactly right.
Oh, you’re cruel.
Kip Adotta
There is some speculation that Obama could carry GA (Barr’s home state) if Barr pulls away enough votes and the AA turnout is really good. Wouldn’t bet the ranch on it.
Schaller’s conclusion is generally correct: winning the South on the Presidential level is nearly hopeless.
But his thesis is based on a false premise: since we can’t win, we shouldn’t try.
This is wrong on many levels –
* It means we write off a significant part of the electorate that would be responsive to themes that resonate in the South.
* It gives the advantage to the GOP — they get to fight on our turf, while we are forced to defend it.
* It’s condescending and offensive. Schaller says “Bob Moser is a rare specimen. It is hard enough to find Southern white Democrats today, but fewer are that subspecies of Southern white Democrats who, like him, are also avowed liberals.” I call bullshit — there are white Southern Liberals. The real problem is there is no shortage of Northern white Democrats willing to convert this kind of crap into conventional wisdom, and it’s these folks that give Liberalism a bad name in the South.
Now, I don’t think the GOP-lite-Mudcat-Saunders approach is what the Democrats need, nor do we need to throw reproductive choice and civil rights overboard in search of the elusive bubba vote.
Obama has done a decent job, but his post partisan centerism is not helpful.
FDR had the highest level of support among African Americans and poor Southern Whites, in that order.
The Democrats don’t need to win the South to win the Presidency, but being competitive in the South makes them competitive everywhere.
Jobs, jobs, jobs. The People are suffering and broke…a lot of truck drivers in the South, losing their jobs and their trucks, and factory workers are out of work. They are not going to buy into anything that sounds like Bushco economics — they will turn toward labor issues and healthcare issues.
If Obama puts in a rich white Northeasterner…he’s in trouble.
Social issues will get the South.
Oh, you’re cruel.
heh-heh.
I have been saying here for ages that it was a huge mistake to write off the south. However, I do believe that the AA registration this year is as high as it could possibly be. Lots of work has been done and this, of all years, will bring the AA vote. We’ll have a wait and see about the white vote. All my relatives are voting for Obama.
thought the same.
Is Florida considered the South by Schaller ?
the Republics pissed all over themselves in the Sunshine State with all that brown people booga booga shite. not to forget the emerging demo of younger voters not so down with the whole anti castro thing :D
Being that I am from the Sonoran Desert, I find national politics to be quite interesting, especially in which important “issues” are never addressed. And when it comes to addressing racism and bigotry, my fellow Democrats conveniently miss the boat on utilizing a “full frontal attack” on those who espouse, either implicitly or explicitly, their behavior for this perjoratve known as hate and ignorance. To wit, should Obama achieve the Oval Office, it would behoove him and my fellow Democrats to advocate for changing the Voter Registration Card. Consequently, the application to register and vote should include a statement that “forthwith anyone positing either racism or bigotry, cannot affiliate with either the Republican or Democratic Party”.
Therefore, the racist and bigots will have to change their behavior or self-identify with such a party as the Libertarians or Independents. Moreover, with no where to go to “share in the spoils” of any victory, they will deem themselves to be recognized as “rump-stallions” riding the backs of the taxpayers wherever possible, is not all that beneficial to their wallets.
So, what say you Democrats when it comes to delivering the ongoing vestiges of racism and bigotry espoused by the Right?
Jaango
Here is one repug Florida congressman who may not be going back
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..19907.html
barely keeping his head below water!
That works for me! We already know she can stand up to the wingnuts.
Although States cannot secede is it possible for a majority in Congress to banish a state or states from the Union? The South has always thought of itself as “other” and have wanted their own country, maybe the time has come to fulfill their cherished nightmare.
when I lived there, Southern Fla was not the South
the Panhandle? — I can’t say.
Southerners do not consider Florida southern. Don’t know why.
Too many retired new yorkers
they should, just as they should have in 04 – I wish some wonk would tell me how you talk to all these folks about voting against their own interests -
you need the right message and the right messenger Obama can do it nationally (still waiting Barry!) but a lot of these folks aren’t gonna listen to him – gotta be someone identified as “one of their own”
Good post PW.
Would you be inclined to view Steve Cohen’s overwhelming primary victory over Nikki Tinker in the Tennessee 9th as being more attributable to racial polarization, i.e. he was the whitest candidate running, than as a repudiation of Tinker’s antisemitic campaign?
I heard that the Panhandle in general and Pensacola in particular are called “The Redneck Riviera.”
It’s definitely a destination for some college-bound kids in my area. There are several Bible colleges there. Their parents view it as safe and strict.
tweren’t really Southern down there
Coverage of OBama at the Veterans Convention…he is such an interesting man. How well he would present on the foreign agenda. We really need something new. McEvil goes to the Veterans and again slams Obama’s patriotism….The man is a lizard (except Lizards are fun and cute;) It is too unnerving to think about Mc trying to teach/lecture “My friends” for our important future.
If the American public was willing to elect a chimp in 2004 there is no reason to think they wouldn’t elect a lizard in 2008.
I don’t know if there might be a historic reason for that perception, such as it not being as well suited for growing cotton. Throughout the 20th Century, the increasing flood of transplants from other parts of the country made it unlikely that Florida would have a well-defined Southern identity.
They’re one of the reasons progressive ideas don’t go far here. When we used bond issues to fund schools the retirees killed each and every one. They didn’t have kids here so what did they care. Now that schools are funded by property taxes they’ll vote for the amendment on the ballot this time around that will reduce their property taxes by up to 25% but will kill public funding for schools after 1 year. Assholes. Don’t get me started on the retirees trying to turn Florida into whatever shithole they moved here from.
New post: Teddy’s got the word
Had a friend of mine who lurks asked me to quit referring to them as snakes. She likes reptiles (so do I, actually) and thought I was dissing them. So now I just call ‘em nasty names like scumbag and skank.
I could go on like that myself about people who moved to NM and then want to recreate New Jersey or wherever they’re from.
Cohen represents a majority-minority (AA) district, so I think your concept really doesn’t apply.
That was Max Cleland, who was treated to the classic Republican tactics. This triple amputee had his face next to OBL’s on the TV, together with the “scary voice” and “we’re all about to die” music. Don’t even START me on the fact that we vote with Diebold machines down here…
When Mr. Schaller was here on Book Salon with his own book we had a bit of a disagreement about ignoring the South. Thank God for Dr. Dean and the 50-state strategy, and let me tell you there are organized, disciplined Obama volunteers on the ground here. Give thanks for Bob Barr too — I think Georgia may be closer than some of y’all may think is possible.
His reason was that the AA voter registration was as high as it was possibly going to get and the money would be wasted.
He was exactly
rightWRONG.Corrected based on talking with the AA folks with whom I work. About 60% were not registered to vote, had never registered to vote, and were considering voting for the first time. The other 40% are registered and well informed. Of course, YMMV.
Off to the Olympics. Y’all come back, now, heah.