Comments on: John McCain’s Cross In the Dirt: Faith Of Someone Else’s Father http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/18/john-mccains-cross-in-the-dirt-faith-of-someone-elses-father/ Firedoglake weblog Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:42:41 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: MrWhy http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/18/john-mccains-cross-in-the-dirt-faith-of-someone-elses-father/#comment-1586385 MrWhy Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:41:55 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/18/john-mccains-cross-in-the-dirt-faith-of-someone-elses-father/#comment-1586385 <p><a href="http://www.politicalbase.com/profile/Mark%20Nickolas/blog/&blogId=3133" rel="nofollow">Mark Nickolas does a good job of collating the relevant information.</a> Sounds suspicious, but it could just be that McCain is confused rather than dishonest.</p> Mark Nickolas does a good job of collating the relevant information. Sounds suspicious, but it could just be that McCain is confused rather than dishonest.

]]> By: PacificCoastRon http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/18/john-mccains-cross-in-the-dirt-faith-of-someone-elses-father/#comment-1586025 PacificCoastRon Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:31:24 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/18/john-mccains-cross-in-the-dirt-faith-of-someone-elses-father/#comment-1586025 <p>Rogermac @ 120 — the quote is not actually from Solzhenitsyn’s non-fiction masterpiece, The Gulag Archipelago. The quote as seen on the Web is from an account (secondhand?) of an interview with Solzhenitsyn reported by Luke Veronis, “The Sign of the Cross”; Communion, issue 8, Pascha 1997.]</p> <p>The original interview in which Solzhenitsyn gave the quote may have been with Billy Graham in the 1970’s. </p> <p>Much more on this, including that the freepers originally uncovered this possible plaigarism back in ‘05 when they were against McCain, and links to the Veronis article of 1997, can be found in the discussion of a Recommended Reader Post at TPM Cafe site, “McCain’s Cross Story — Ripped off from Solzhenitsyn?” first posted 8-17-08 3:48 pm, most of the comments are a distraction but the links are at the top of the discussion, and the points I mention are established towards the end of the discussion.</p> Rogermac @ 120 — the quote is not actually from Solzhenitsyn’s non-fiction masterpiece, The Gulag Archipelago. The quote as seen on the Web is from an account (secondhand?) of an interview with Solzhenitsyn reported by Luke Veronis, “The Sign of the Cross”; Communion, issue 8, Pascha 1997.]

The original interview in which Solzhenitsyn gave the quote may have been with Billy Graham in the 1970’s.

Much more on this, including that the freepers originally uncovered this possible plaigarism back in ‘05 when they were against McCain, and links to the Veronis article of 1997, can be found in the discussion of a Recommended Reader Post at TPM Cafe site, “McCain’s Cross Story — Ripped off from Solzhenitsyn?” first posted 8-17-08 3:48 pm, most of the comments are a distraction but the links are at the top of the discussion, and the points I mention are established towards the end of the discussion.

]]> By: dmac http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/18/john-mccains-cross-in-the-dirt-faith-of-someone-elses-father/#comment-1585999 dmac Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:10:29 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/18/john-mccains-cross-in-the-dirt-faith-of-someone-elses-father/#comment-1585999 <p>forgot to say–thanks ecahn for the link i followed about this early this am….</p> forgot to say–thanks ecahn for the link i followed about this early this am….

]]> By: dmac http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/18/john-mccains-cross-in-the-dirt-faith-of-someone-elses-father/#comment-1585990 dmac Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:58:28 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/18/john-mccains-cross-in-the-dirt-faith-of-someone-elses-father/#comment-1585990 <p>my 130 was to sadly’s 104</p> my 130 was to sadly’s 104

]]> By: dmac http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/18/john-mccains-cross-in-the-dirt-faith-of-someone-elses-father/#comment-1585988 dmac Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:57:09 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/18/john-mccains-cross-in-the-dirt-faith-of-someone-elses-father/#comment-1585988 <p>he is not the man i used to like.it was a facade.</p> <p>and i hate him for it. i can name three people for whom i would use the word ‘hate’…he is one of them. the man is evil. a self-professed christian, sat there straight-faced IN A CHURCH and lied to us again….an athiest or agnostic would show better respect, they are more honest about their beliefs and would be basing what they say on more ethics than this man has ever followed.</p> he is not the man i used to like.it was a facade.

and i hate him for it. i can name three people for whom i would use the word ‘hate’…he is one of them. the man is evil. a self-professed christian, sat there straight-faced IN A CHURCH and lied to us again….an athiest or agnostic would show better respect, they are more honest about their beliefs and would be basing what they say on more ethics than this man has ever followed.

]]> By: Badwater http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/18/john-mccains-cross-in-the-dirt-faith-of-someone-elses-father/#comment-1585984 Badwater Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:49:50 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/18/john-mccains-cross-in-the-dirt-faith-of-someone-elses-father/#comment-1585984 <p>no i meant that i guessed about #124</p> no i meant that i guessed about #124

]]> By: mui1 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/18/john-mccains-cross-in-the-dirt-faith-of-someone-elses-father/#comment-1585979 mui1 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:46:44 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/18/john-mccains-cross-in-the-dirt-faith-of-someone-elses-father/#comment-1585979 <blockquote><p>Yes, i guessed.</p></blockquote> <p>Ouch. I thought I got some fo that across when I said it was private. :-</p>

Yes, i guessed.

Ouch. I thought I got some fo that across when I said it was private. :-

]]> By: presquevu http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/18/john-mccains-cross-in-the-dirt-faith-of-someone-elses-father/#comment-1585977 presquevu Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:46:34 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/18/john-mccains-cross-in-the-dirt-faith-of-someone-elses-father/#comment-1585977 <p>The picture shows what looks like dirt, but McCain says sand. Why is he lying about this?</p> The picture shows what looks like dirt, but McCain says sand. Why is he lying about this?

]]> By: Badwater http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/18/john-mccains-cross-in-the-dirt-faith-of-someone-elses-father/#comment-1585975 Badwater Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:40:49 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/18/john-mccains-cross-in-the-dirt-faith-of-someone-elses-father/#comment-1585975 <p>Yes, i guessed. The word ‘worship’ connotes a God-like relationship. In my experience (26+ year relationship with someone chinese), it’s been taking care of ancestors the same way you might take care of living relatives, symbolicly of course. The ancestors are honored but not worshipped.</p> Yes, i guessed. The word ‘worship’ connotes a God-like relationship. In my experience (26+ year relationship with someone chinese), it’s been taking care of ancestors the same way you might take care of living relatives, symbolicly of course. The ancestors are honored but not worshipped.

]]> By: mui1 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/18/john-mccains-cross-in-the-dirt-faith-of-someone-elses-father/#comment-1585967 mui1 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:35:18 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/18/john-mccains-cross-in-the-dirt-faith-of-someone-elses-father/#comment-1585967 <p>@124 answer to Badwater @122</p> @124 answer to Badwater @122

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