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McSame just refused to define what upper and middle class was in actual terms. Amazing. Though he finally copped to saying "rich" meant "$5 million a year." That’s a campaign ad, Obama people. Contrast that with Obama’s very direct answer. Not very straight-talky.
Let’s see if he can get to the end of the hour without mentioning being a POW or David Petraus or saying "my friends." So far, Obama’s won the night.
And let me add — I fucking hate Rick Warren.
UPDATE
It’s over.
McSame mostly did okay until he started rambling about Russia, and then he was totally incoherent. That’s big, because that issue is supposedly why he’s "won the week" — and Obama didn’t even get that question. If there was a lost opportunity for him, that was it. He didn’t offer any meaningful response to Russia and just lamely talked about humanitarian aid. He blew it.
Most annoying to me, McSame refused to define what rich is and what middle class is. Warren asked this for a reason, and McSame weaseled it. Obama, who gave a very direct answer, looked like the straight-talker.
Obama wins the night, by a big margin.
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Foist!
This is utter BS!
Are we really the “most blessed nation in the world”? Life seems pretty good in Denmark.
wow. i forgot this was tonight. looks like i’ve missed a lot!
Reagan again!
McSame gives a shitty answer to the question about what the criteria should be for getting involved in war.
Rambling, incoherent, city on a hill, blah blah blah.
I think the womens marathon is more entertaining than watching McCain and Rick Warren.
Not watching but McBush cannot talk without saying “my friends”….. we have bumper stickers in AZ with “My Friends my a*s”
We won the Cold War without firing a shot?
Really?
Uh, what about Vietnam and Korea?
not really. same old same old.
From your lips to their ad execs ears… But of course then Obama would be hammered for “going negative” and “wanting to raise taxes.”
How many times has Johnny McCain mentioned Ray-gun and Petraeus?
Warren fed him the georgia spoon
It seems to me that McSame’s neocon view of forein policy is really getting exposed here. He can’t give a simple answer to the question, when do we go to war?
“Our obligation is to stop genocide whenever we can.”
Invoking Cindy, Huckabee, and Frist on Rwanda.
War question – what is worth dying for?
“being able to cause the outcome we want.”
Is stealing a line from Genghis Khan allowed?
“Can I talk about Georgia now?”
ooh ooh, where can we all get them?
But you still have your mental health. Just sayin’…. I’m feeling a wee bit fragile about now!
McSame is struggling to get all his code words and planned stories in even when his answers don’t match the questions. Pathetic.
He has said that two times.
DNC needs to fact-check that one.
Thanks, yeah.
Warren did NOT ask Obama about Russia/Georgia.
Or am I crazy?
What does the fact that Georgia was a Christian nation in the 3rd century have to do with fucking anything?
I’m saved!!!!
It’s raining so hard here in the drought area of central Tx, that my “dish” is out..but….what a frikkin’ blessing…heh.
I’m saved, because if my dish is out, so is everyone elses!! Hahahahahaha…
Too bad McCain got knocked off the air here…
Heh, heh, heh…
Yes….I’m a little evil…
lol. boy have i got you fooled. *g*
Seems like going to war in Christian countries, especially oldly Christian countries, is the hallmark of a McCain preznit-c.
McSame is thrilled to be making Russia back into the evil empire. It was made to order. Joe sixpack still thinks the Ruskies are evil and he gets to parlay it.
new twist to bogey-man politics. Gotta be scared of Russia now.
(”My friends”)
And Georgia is the awesomest little county Evah!!
i don’t think he did
McSame is really babbling now. “We have to have cease fire, but we also have to have honor, and we have to respect the territoriality of Russia, I’m sorry…”
Wow, yikes.
He’s not my fu**ing friend..
You are crazy and Warren did not ask Obama the Georgia question.
like in Darfur? Tibet?
The Georgians are suffling terribly.
Names every other former Soviet satellite.
Sounds like we’ll war for all of them.
oops. my 25 was in response to Marion in Savannah @ 18
So maybe God does take sides after all!
it’s not raining at my house! :( pout pout!
That was the worst exchange by either candidate.
Wow, just totally incoherent.
War, genocide, Russian empire, energy.
DAMN. It’s not raining here either.
It’s right next to South Carolina!!!! OMG…don’t you get that the Russians are comin’….??? /s
oopsie for a second there, McCain wanted Russia to win whatever the latest squawk was about.
REAGAN REAGAN REAGAN TAKE DOWN THIS WALL EVIL EMPIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He’s really excited about the Bully Pulpit. Haven’t Americans had enough of that?
Reagan again!
Slight edit “RayGun”
*grin*
Really? Rainin’ nonstop here…thank goddess.
OK, McSame is rambling now.
Warren did NOT ask Obama about Russia/Georgia.
Or am I crazy?
McCrazy is playing on house
moneytime now.note to Obama – Giving short, fact-less answers gains the ability to stump-speech on more subjects.
When I was in Amsterdam, to be quite honest, I could picture living there quite easily.
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Because nobody expected the Spanish Inquisition.
McCain: “We do what we can to help oppressed millionaires around the world.”
the darkest corners
belarus wants to be just like us, my friends
Reagan, God, Abortion, Russia.. Give me a break with the sound bites.. and did I say he is not fu**ing friend.
We’re still up. Unfortunately.
Mr.Cbl
He knows where his advisers told him to stop for applause, and does not know what to do when the too -short pause does not get the applause he was promised.
What do you expect from the war monger?
well, i haven’t turned my tv on for months… so i’m not up to speed on the campaigns.
Maybe his nap is wearing off? Or his meds are tailing off? Or he’s just simply nuts? I’ll take Door #3…
I am a war Hero… shit haven’t you said that enough already… old shit!
What kind of net crowds are the Wingers getting for McCain on their live blogging?
I expect them now,
I know better,
so I am always prepared for…
The Spanish Inquisition.
(I have castanets)
those are not all AMERICAN orphans!
Okay. I know that I live in the Vortex…because…every other rain event in months has “parted” right over where I live…all the tropical storm stuff…the hurricane stuff…the clouds literally “parted” over my area…
So. I guess it is “vortex” rain.
Cindy went to mother teresa’s?? for tea?
mccain’s tell…
he raises and lowers his eyebrows
every time he gets applauded for one
of his talking points,
he thinks it makes him look humble, oh garsh!!
Bless his heart, he was forced to adopt baby
Orphans!
Don’t forget, McBush adopted an orphan! He’s saying it as I type.
My friends, I knew Teddy Roosevelt, I worked with Teddy Roosevelt, Teddy Roosevelt was my friend, Barack Obama is no Teddy Roosevelt.
Little quote from JFK there, john. Ask not….?
We need to make adoption much easier in this country.
,
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Except for the evil gays, of course.
Oh my god, it’s the “surprise” daughter story. Can we get some adoption advocates to comment on the irregularities in this adoption by Cindy McCain?
Wow, that adoption pander did not get the applause that I thought it would….
I cannot think of another major country in the world that would have a circus like this as part of the election campaign for the head of state.
I’m having trouble keeping up with reading and commenting because things are going so fast are the Winger blogs having as much traffic as we are o this?
No, it was part of the judge ordered community service.
It’s a wonder he can, given the amount of Botox in his head…
OK pups Digg it
Fucking War Hero again…*@#*$#%*#$%&*@#$%@#*&%*
I’m sitting in a comfy chair!
McCrazy – “America’s best days are ahead of us” – “in a war-like way, ya know”. “My friends.”
Now he is truly giving a speech. How could the format get so skewed?
I’m sorry – invoking Teddy as the first president to talk about adoption -does anyone believe he would have come up with that without knowing the question in advance? Note how there is never any hesitation for thought on his answers … there just right there. Yeah because McCain always so fast on his verbal feet.
McCain is making me nauseous. I’m seasick…ugh….
He is the “worst” actor……ever.
Needs an award for BS.
That really ticks me off… gay babies deserve parents too.
There are some things I will not do even for Jesus and checking out a winger blog is one of those things…
Lindsay looks like he is getting a hard on.
Is he fucking done yet I don’t have anything left in my stomach. arughhhh
Is it me, or does anyone else get the sense that this election IS the final judgment these folks talk about in the bible??
creeps me right out.
by the way, i’ve just written a highly political nove entitled “The Water Carrier” that pretty much creams all this shit he’s talkin.
agents reading it now. you’ll either love it or hate it.
NO IT wasn’t. founded on those values, JOhn. Read your “Jer=fferson’s Bible”!!
McLame using “my friends” in every sentence. Lame….
Bob in HI
Judeo-Christina values.
Muslim dog-whistle?!
we mesh
McSame: I put my country first.
Blah blah blah.
Not a very good close.
Reminds me of…your doooog peed on my leg…
It’s not my doooog.
Jesus was the first American…..
he has verbal feet???
No kidding.
Cindy went to mother teresa’s?? for tea?
I’m thinkin’ a vodka-shot competition.
No, wait – that was Raiders of the Lost Ark.
sorry.
With no thought required, McCain didn’t need an hour to answer all the questions.
Exactly.
That may be the best comment I’ve ever read. 707
Ain’t that the truth!
Ya’ll are some funny
what kind of finish was that ?!
inconditus sermo interuptus
This is a low point.
A single sect, led by a prosperity preacher who endorses genocide-for-gays preachers abroad, just got two hours with our presidential candidates. This sect got them to reveal their inner faith, how it guides them and would guide their presidency.
I am ill.
Holy crap! I missed 101 comments! LOL
I thought it was that Smith guy /s
another miracle from Rick Warren?
Do you suppose Warren KNEW
that McCain adopted
when he posed that question to Obama and McCain????????
This schmuck is telling people to “stop demonizing?” That’s rich…
I’m sorely disappointed with the ‘debate’, it’s clear that McInsane was prepped… Obama was not! McInsane didn’t uhh or ahh once, whereas, Obama did… Something is not right…!
Honestly, Obama did very well tonight. We should find out, though, if the coin had 2 heads on it to give McTeleprompter the advantage of going second so his words will resonate longer.
kay, lets us mainers get together one of these days. I don’t show up here very often as am flat out busy all the time. but it would be fun. election night?????
double dose of brain bleach, stat please
Schuster is a f*cking asshole.
I flat out refuse to listen to a bunch of comments from knuckle-walkers. I’m off to the Olympics.
i am with you. only thing worse is the post-debate coverage by these msnbc shitheads
Shuster says McCain was energetic and Obama was thoughtful.
McCain never mentioned God or Jesus by Shuster’s count.
Pat Buchanan sez McCain was crisp, sharp, and well-prepared. At the top of his game! Obama seemed tortured and hesitant — like a college sophomore!
Is there a way to let CNN know we think the questions were given to McCrazy? He had clearly been coached.
yeah i thought about that. of course that’s true. the repugs never never never miss a trick
I think Putin may be evil. For sure, he scares the hell out of me. Someone said that he would test Obama in the first year of Obama’s presidency. I think that’s true. Nuclear weapons flying to Cuba? Something with Poland? I don’t know what he’ll do, but I’m willing to wager that Putin will do something. He knows our military is stretched thin, we’re freeking broke, we’ve lost our leadership role, our moral superiority……and, he will test us to see how far he can push us around.
yes.
thanks for another round of….
well shit. Pat Buchanan has decreed that McCrazy won in a rout, and that Obama looked like a pre-schooler.
That’ll learn me to trust my lying eyes.
WHAT IS A KNUCKLE WALKER. THAT’S WONDERFUL
Praying to the porcelain God are we Teddy??
Can’t do it on election night because I’ve been invited by a local state Rep to join her, her husband, and family for the night at their home to watch the election results come in. Cool huh? And I’m not even rich nor very smaht. LOL
We will get together. Maybe after the election? Might be a better time. ;-)
I’ll check around but any print shop that does bumper stickers would do it… Anyone who is paying attention would know what it means….
So far, three MCNBS commentators favor McCain.
Quelle surprise.
I’M gonna listen to the C-Span calliln show now and see how real people feel about this thing.
c-span is the only tv can take.
His anecdotes were good.
That seals it, then.
You mean the same CNN which posed the question: Is Barack Obama The Antichrist?
Well Prepared…he should not have said that.
Whether it was deliberate or not, Warren’s own views would have led him to ask questions that would be more favorable for McCain and more difficult for Obama. The test was whether Obama could walk into this structured lion’s den and do okay. I think he did okay, given that audience. He was not expected to “win” in the sense of having answers more agreeable to that audience.
It would be interesting to see how the two would do if they went into RevDeb’s Universalist church and she asked the questions.
The “holy ones” are going to have to decide if Obama has “discernment” or if McCain has “discernment”.
I don’t want them deciding for me.
If you could look in his eyes you’d fall in love with him like Bush did…
righto. actually my kid will probly want me to be in her office that night. but yeah, let’s you me and nahant? get together osmetime.
nice to hear you all tonight.
i knew i could come here and find sympatico vibes.
thanks
Truly, this is the most ridiculous country.
I was going for sarcasm I don’t think any of the Winger websites are live blogging this and if they are comparing our traffic numbers to theirs would be a laugh.
After all the GOP claims its the party of God but we have the biggest online crowd for the church meeting/debate.
Next time I want Nuns who served the poor in El Salvador to ask the questions Orange County sheesh! we need balance!
A rich man from Orange County who votes for more tax cuts for the rich and John McCain has as much chance of getting to heaven as a camel has of getting through the eye of a needle. JC updated for 2008
I watched C-SPAN’s coverage tonight too. Much better for the nerves that way. Hearing citizens of the United States talk about anything is always a hoot.
What was that about no sundowning?
So, this whole schmear was to give
McCain a one hour format for his regular stump “speech”…
lots of people watched McCain that would not usually..
Schuster agrees with Buchanan. Schuster just blew any cred he had left out of his ass.
Candy, Candy, and Dana Bash…will now decide what we think. Love…it..
If there were *four* MSNBC commentators, Cindy McCain might have gotten a vote.
Oh goody – prison porn’s back. (I just mention that in case anyone hadn’t noticed that it’s no longer Buchanan and Schuster on the screen – easy mistake to make).
lets see now, I’d ask about torture, human rights, the environment, the Constitution and rule of law. Throw in a few about the poor and those in need.
Isn’t that what Warren wanted to know about?
That brings up a question I have been wondering about. Can we PUPS check out the site meter? Maybe LurkingMod can answers that best???
Shuster is not your friend.
but the real question is how i am going to get out of the bed and find something to eat.
We have gangs of old men wearing tasseled hats who ride go-carts in parades commemorating the founding of our nation. How can you call this country ridiculous?
“I think John McCain won this hands down.” Pat Buchanan demonstrating once again his invincible ignorance and David Schuster heartily stating he agrees with Buchanan’s talking points. I could use a drink.
scarecrow upstairs
You know, i agree, but why was he even there? Let’s drag McSame into some liberal debate. What happened here. Obama can never win these people over. I personally know 3 born agains, and no matter what I say, kind and considerate as I might be, they know I am going straight to hell and have no compunctin about telling me so.
I want McSame at a moveon debate, do you think he would show up. NOOOO.
I’ve always used it to refer to those poor souls who are aggressively ignorant and proud of it. It’s really insulting to chimpanzees,however, who are not aggressively ignorant.
you mean this didn’t make you lose your appetite?
McCain’s performance tonight was definitely a continuation of his campaign speeches. One commenter on C-SPAN noted that McCain’s answers came quickly. Well, that’s because he says this stuff over and over and over every single day!
Barack Obama has a big brain that is open. Johnny has a brain with a squirrel wheel in it and has to repeat talking points because he can’t think past what little knowledge he has.
CNN folks noting that Obama had a conversation with Warren; McCain almost ignored Warren; he gave canned soundbites to the audience.
hey suzanne!
Or talking to Ralph on the big white phone?
I’m furious that a candidate for President is forced to discuss his/her deepest theological feelings and belief. This is nothing other than destroying the notion of Church versus State.
We are so fucked.
Welcome fascist America.
Wake up America.
I’m still here, in the corner.
Good point I don’t think any audience likes their questions being ignored and given stock talking points as answers.
Jeez, CNN is replaying McCain’s torture-guard story, as they will likely do on an endless loop.
C-Span callers are saying McCain had the answers rigged towards his policies.
That was a pro-McCain venue and he hit almost every question (except stem cells) out of the park.
Lesson: do NOT give right-wing religious nuts a megaphone.
been having trouble eating actually. but i think the anesthesia is now fully out of my system and i want more than pretzels and grapes.
I am really pissed about this.
McCain seemed to know what this was.
R warren gave him a TOWN HALL and used Obama as his warm up man.
I feel terrible about tonight. I felt that is Obama loses the election, he lost it tonight.
Obama can never do a town hall with McCain. McCain is a carny act.
If Obama can’t up his game , this is over
Pro-life whacko on the line now. I bet she has the christian bible stuck to her face.
Exactly. And how come those people get elected into office…
DIEBOLD.
However, it’s a valid and interesting question that someone with a MUCH stronger stomach than mine should research!
yep
I though the CNN forum on faith a few months back, in which Obama, Edwards and Clinton participated, was conducted as a religious litmus test, very offensive. Ironically, this program tonight was less a religious test, even though his questions were drawn from Warren’s perspective.
Do you suppose if every young family in America adopted an orphan that would solve the problem with the numbers being discussed? I don’t think so, anymore than I think you can drill your way out of our energy problems.
Naaaaaaaaaaaaah, a coin was flipped before the night started. It was fair, but then again, it could have been a 2-headed coin for all we know!
I thought Obama did great tonight. Johnny just rambled on as usual.
but CNN put it this way:
McCain talked to the voters!
Just jumping in here w/o reading all prev threads. My impression was mcCains preoccupation w/ war. Two of Mc Sames mentors were warriors one a CEO. When asked about evil – evil was foreign enemies – nothing else
And compare it to any winger liveblogging or online Winger debate about this church meeting our numbers have got to surprise the Wingers!
Are we sure that story is not made up?? Who was the witness to that??
And Obama talked to…??? WTF???
Ever notice how Dana Bash’s new husband, John Whatshisname on CNN are workin’ the news????? I’ll bet they are Goodlings.
Notice how CNN is only showing McCain & Warren in the background.
I wonder what those on the fence of McCain thought when he said the CEO of eBay is one of the people he would heavily turn to? Oh boy.
McCain can only speak in soundbites, Reagan, Russia, POW, God, and Abortion. I don’t think he won over independents tonight.
This is so depressing on so many levels. Obama gives a long, rambling dissertation for every question which no one but people like us can understand. Mac shouts out quick, forceful talking points before the good rev even finishes the question and the rubes clap and scream in glee. Did anyone actually think this was going to be helpful? What utter, utter nonsense.
Where is that blogging drunk thread? I think I need it now.
slight edit: up her ASS
To be truthful, after watching, and as much as I liked some of Obama’s answers, I’m very worried. As we found out with Adlai Stevenson, this country is loath to elect an “egghead” and that’s how Obama comes off.
Ever notice how the MSM gets the Neocons elected!!!!!!
and who would educate these orphans? build schools for them? train more pediatricians?
Excuse me if these questions are offensive.
At what age does a child’s sexual orientation become clear?
Can you tell during pregnancy?
McCain’s every answer is either a War story or about the current War or a potential War. God, I hope Obama prevails. He was thoughful and answered the questions. McCain gave us War antedotes.
McCain’s media-driven excellence in tonight’s forum will be used to explain a narrowing of the polls as we move into the Democratic convention.
Odd, no?
I thought that was another Veep-nibble for the PUMAs.
Oh, that’s right. That’s the right wing fuel that gets ‘em going: a christian bible up their ass! Thanks for the correction, Nahant. ;-)
I was hopping that somebody who already looks at the Winger blogs could check my stomach isn’t that strong I need to eat Hot peppers with food not straight.
I can’t look at Malkin’s site!
You know the wedding parties we keep bombing in Afghanistan that’s what Mc Cain in Vietnam for those too young to remember.
Yeah, that’s why we need McGigalo. Who, was a the bottom of his class…Obama on the other hand was Magna Cum Laude at Harvard…Oh…but I guess intelligence doesn’t f’ing matter….
Exactly. That was his way of pandering to the neocon women of America who support Hillary Clinton. Spit.
Christian Broadcasting employee Brody helpfully points out that when he was whisked backstage to interview Barack Obama, the candidate had nuts in his mouth and couldn’t answer his first question.
To Warren…he made it a conversation.
I agree.
This was a mistake for Obama, hopefully not too big a mistake.
Over 50% of America only pays attn to sound bites, and McCain, CNN, MSNBC, and the pubs
got a whole load tonight.
CBN employee sez to Barack, “Let’s call a spade a spade”
good observations.
war war war
that’s mccain’s answer to everything, reflected in his choice of advisors if elected.
byt he way, one cspan caller kept referring to mccain as President — as if.
Obama’s campaign has been pretty smart upt o this point.
Does anyone think this was a really bad idea for him? Or is that just what the MSM wants us to thnk?
in the debates, mccain is going to be more accountable..
but he will snipe at Obama, he’ll be snide, I don’t think he will do as well
as he did tonight…but Gergin is right. people connected with McCain’s story.
Obama can never do a town hall or another forum like this with McCain….McCain will
is like a kid with addd…he’ll hog the forum and get praise for it..like tonight
christ, this was terrible. Obama was thoughtful and McCain brought his three ring circus act with him.
there wasn;t a word he said tonight that he doesn’t say in his town halls execpt for maybe the words “Rick Warren”
ARe you kidding?
McCain was a POW.
Now mccain is a moron.
But he is transitioning from moron to tool.
So we got that going for us.
T’was merely a joke at the expense of those who would deny same-sex couples the right to adopt.
Do you really call it a big success when people are surprised he stayed awake?
I thought Barack Obama did great tonight. McCain doesn’t do well with instant questions, so it’s very possible he was told ahead of time what the questions would be or what they would be about. Most of his answers were long and childlike, but that’s how his campaign speeches usually are. He talks to his supporters as if they’re kindergarteners. Barack talks like an adult. This scares most of the McCain supporters. They’re the types of people who can’t watch a movie with subtitles. See? LOL
OMG …………….has America become a carney act. Oh maybe your are right and all that trouble I had to go thru to become a citizen has been a joke. Actually, with the gov’t we have now I do not disagree, but with the gov’t I first came her with, Jimmy Carter, seemed like a sensible bunch. I know you were kidding…………..right?
I agree
I think it was a really bad idea. The deck was stacked against him, it is not what he stands for, thank goodness. Let McSame come to a debate held by Moveon. Then we will see what happens. McSame would not go near the place.
Excellent point. Maybe Moveon.org should so something like that? Oh how the right wingers would howl if Moveon even suggested it!
Well, don’t tell me. I want the smart guy. I also wanted Adlai Stevenson. Didn’t mean I got him. Instead, we liked Ike, remember?
McCain stole the show, but at least Obama can lay to rest the claim that he is a Muslim
EMPTY SUIT = Guy who talks about his POW experience in every answer
I agree; most people will not see thru McSame’s smarm to the consequences his policies will produce. They’ll just listen to his most lucid performance and react.
Huckabee on c-span now. I somehow lack the will to listen to him.
I’m not kidding.
McCain did his act. his war stories, his rally around the flag let’s go to war for Georgia, let’s bow down to Gen Petraeus “our greatest military leader” ( for G Washington or Einsenhower)..am I kidding? NO
McCainis a carnival act–”can I tell you one more story?”
yeah, he probably heard the questions..he released a press statement right before the forum happened
I agree with the others here who didn’t think McCain honesty answered the questions but he won the night hands down…it was a smack down..
Tonight you saw the seeds of Obama’s defeat and it pains me greatly to admit it….I despise McCain’s duplicity
Johnny McTeleprompter won over the neck drooling knuckledragging retards of our nation. Big difference. Those who are adult and who can comprehend sentences are the ones who know Barack Obama did a better job.
Besides, Johnny didn’t mention religion much tonight. Bah hahahahahahahaha! Love that.
I think this was rigged to some extent in favour of McCain, but Obama came across more thoughtful and responsive to the questions. He didn’t give the pandering answers, but for the undecided, that’s probably a good thing. For the decided, well, they’ve already decided. Any person with any brains, listening to McCain’s response concerning the Supreme Court, will have shuddered and thought, can’t let this guy win, just can’t. Especially compared to Obama’s answer on the same question.
It would be useful to find a way to spark a McCain Mutiny within the Republican base once the nominations are official.
No, that’s what Brody said.
Obama’s won the night. “big surprise” NOT!
can’t wait for the debates.
lol
Kay- in Maine,
no question who the intellectual is but America is an illiterate country.
Let’s be honest…any intelligent human looking at Bush in 2000 knew he shouldn’t be leading a boy scout car wash.
This country is DUMB. Yeah there are pockets of smart people…we like to think FDL is part of that, but honestly, what explains the tie in the national polls? Working people can have their chain yanked whenever Bush co wants to do it, and the cast of Deliverance will vote for McSame McBush, McInsane, Capt Queeuug, whomever.
it’s emotional- not intellectual.. Obama can move the crowd ..he didn’t go into the evening thinking he had to do that,,,,but McCaine knew what the game was and he played it and Rick Warren let McCain do whatever he wanted and he won the night…and if this happens close to the election , McCain will win. to re-coin the phrase:
IT’S THE EMOTIONS, STUPID
the words of death are “nuance” – -america isn’t nuanced…only the rich are
(not you Kay, I’m just making the play)
Julia is upstairs!
Uncle John’s cabin
I got to remind you of Obama’s position on this,
Obama went on his celebrity tour and spoke with the troops and the “generals on the ground”. (Even when in an aircraft) as far as McCain is concerned.
McCain was thumping his militaristic abilities for a while and how he listens to the Generals on the ground like GW.
Well on the Celeb Tour, Obama made a very, very real Commander in Chief comment that set McCain back at least 30 years in his experience card that he plays. When Obama said, ” I will listen to all my advisors that include generals and the joint chiefs of staff. Yet ultimately as President your are the Commander in Chief and the decision lays there”.
Generals would like to retain whatever authority and allowances they can have. But the Commander in chief (the President) has ultimate control because of the many other factors around this world the President is also responsible. The President provides the mission and the gGenerals carry it out, not the other way around.
Point is that GW and McCain sell it that the Generals are in charge and naturally, they have a scape goat when things go awry.
This is why when Bush decided to appoint a Iraq War Czar that would effectively do his job of managing the troops. This was the Scappe Goat set up. This guy will never get appreciation for good work. Only if things go bad.
You dig…………..
mhm it’s Gore v BUsh all over again
There shall be no religious test for any public office, but that doesn’t stop the media from insisting on one. This kind of charade should be illegal.