Comments on: Obama, McCain And Rick Warren: Calculations At The Intersection Of Faith And Power http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/15/obama-mccain-and-rick-warren-calculations-at-the-intersection-of-faith-and-power/ Firedoglake weblog Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:51:21 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Sara http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/15/obama-mccain-and-rick-warren-calculations-at-the-intersection-of-faith-and-power/#comment-1582401 Sara Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:33:36 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/15/obama-mccain-and-rick-warren-calculations-at-the-intersection-of-faith-and-power/#comment-1582401 <p>I would hope, at some juncture, that those who want to draw bright lines on the church/state matter would read themselves into just some of the history. You can’t do the history, for instance, or abolitionism without beginning with the Quakers in the late 1700’s, and then moving forward with the Evangelicals (guys like William Lloyd Garrison) through the first half of the 1800’s. You have to take in all those denominational fights that split virtually all of the Protestant Churches between 1820’s and the Civil War, which were all about the morality of slavery and abolitionism, without comprehending how profoundly influential churches were (and still are) in framing this master social justice issue in our history. Yes, on some issues some churches have had a negative impact — Temperance for instance. On others they split seven days till Sunday — Peace Movements and opposition to wars, as an example. </p> <p>What should bother us most is the tendency of the media to narrow the range of religious argument and positions they report. Larry King, for instance, somehow can’t find anyone with a theological or religious point of view other than those of the Falwell (RIP))/Robertson tendency. That is what we should find objectionable.</p> I would hope, at some juncture, that those who want to draw bright lines on the church/state matter would read themselves into just some of the history. You can’t do the history, for instance, or abolitionism without beginning with the Quakers in the late 1700’s, and then moving forward with the Evangelicals (guys like William Lloyd Garrison) through the first half of the 1800’s. You have to take in all those denominational fights that split virtually all of the Protestant Churches between 1820’s and the Civil War, which were all about the morality of slavery and abolitionism, without comprehending how profoundly influential churches were (and still are) in framing this master social justice issue in our history. Yes, on some issues some churches have had a negative impact — Temperance for instance. On others they split seven days till Sunday — Peace Movements and opposition to wars, as an example.

What should bother us most is the tendency of the media to narrow the range of religious argument and positions they report. Larry King, for instance, somehow can’t find anyone with a theological or religious point of view other than those of the Falwell (RIP))/Robertson tendency. That is what we should find objectionable.

]]> By: TomR http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/15/obama-mccain-and-rick-warren-calculations-at-the-intersection-of-faith-and-power/#comment-1581603 TomR Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:54:02 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/15/obama-mccain-and-rick-warren-calculations-at-the-intersection-of-faith-and-power/#comment-1581603 <p>Christy writes:</p> <blockquote><p>RedState demands an all-or-nothing abortion question from Warren or else cancel the event (I’m sure Warren is shaking in his pews)…</p></blockquote> <p>I was just thinking about this today: what is the pro-life answer to the dire situation where a woman experiences an ectopic pregnancy, when the fertilized egg implants inside the fallopian tube? Where does the abortion-under-no-circumstances crowd stand on this, when the embryo will not survive no matter what?</p> <p>- Tom</p> Christy writes:

RedState demands an all-or-nothing abortion question from Warren or else cancel the event (I’m sure Warren is shaking in his pews)…

I was just thinking about this today: what is the pro-life answer to the dire situation where a woman experiences an ectopic pregnancy, when the fertilized egg implants inside the fallopian tube? Where does the abortion-under-no-circumstances crowd stand on this, when the embryo will not survive no matter what?

- Tom

]]> By: Bluetoe2 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/15/obama-mccain-and-rick-warren-calculations-at-the-intersection-of-faith-and-power/#comment-1581546 Bluetoe2 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:11:46 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/15/obama-mccain-and-rick-warren-calculations-at-the-intersection-of-faith-and-power/#comment-1581546 <p>I’m looking forward to the day when churches are taxed.</p> I’m looking forward to the day when churches are taxed.

]]> By: RevDeb http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/15/obama-mccain-and-rick-warren-calculations-at-the-intersection-of-faith-and-power/#comment-1581526 RevDeb Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:16:21 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/15/obama-mccain-and-rick-warren-calculations-at-the-intersection-of-faith-and-power/#comment-1581526 <p>I totally agree with the UCC pastor. I have the same questions, the same concerns and would tell them the same thing to their faces.</p> <p>I find the whole Rick Warren forum idea unsettling/disturbing/toxic.</p> I totally agree with the UCC pastor. I have the same questions, the same concerns and would tell them the same thing to their faces.

I find the whole Rick Warren forum idea unsettling/disturbing/toxic.

]]> By: gloriasolideo http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/15/obama-mccain-and-rick-warren-calculations-at-the-intersection-of-faith-and-power/#comment-1581497 gloriasolideo Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:45:39 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/15/obama-mccain-and-rick-warren-calculations-at-the-intersection-of-faith-and-power/#comment-1581497 <p>You know the story of the Good Samaritan, right? Jesus told it when a Pharisee asked, “So who is my neighbor?” Seems that God himself took the time to close that loophole. Even your enemy is to be considered a “neighbor.”</p> You know the story of the Good Samaritan, right? Jesus told it when a Pharisee asked, “So who is my neighbor?” Seems that God himself took the time to close that loophole. Even your enemy is to be considered a “neighbor.”

]]> By: demi http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/15/obama-mccain-and-rick-warren-calculations-at-the-intersection-of-faith-and-power/#comment-1581482 demi Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:31:53 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/15/obama-mccain-and-rick-warren-calculations-at-the-intersection-of-faith-and-power/#comment-1581482 <p>Oh, I think the moderators are hard workers. Honestly, I don’t know how they do it.<br /> And, oh yes, we are all human and make mistakes.<br /> I wasn’t so much frustrated by the mod, really, whatever, I just was wondering what is considered violent. I haven’t been mod’d since my first really ugly comment I made several years (or does it just feel like that?)<br /> I’m not mad at the lake. I just don’t like Rev. Phelps. Being a faithful one, people like him bug me.<br /> Thanks….((CHS)).</p> Oh, I think the moderators are hard workers. Honestly, I don’t know how they do it.
And, oh yes, we are all human and make mistakes.
I wasn’t so much frustrated by the mod, really, whatever, I just was wondering what is considered violent. I haven’t been mod’d since my first really ugly comment I made several years (or does it just feel like that?)
I’m not mad at the lake. I just don’t like Rev. Phelps. Being a faithful one, people like him bug me.
Thanks….((CHS)).

]]> By: Christy Hardin Smith http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/15/obama-mccain-and-rick-warren-calculations-at-the-intersection-of-faith-and-power/#comment-1581479 Christy Hardin Smith Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:26:09 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/15/obama-mccain-and-rick-warren-calculations-at-the-intersection-of-faith-and-power/#comment-1581479 <p>I have to say, overall, our mods do a really good job with the sheer number of comments, blogs and such they are monitoring all at one time. Every once in a while,someone may moderate something that shouldn’t be — people do make mistakes, ya know? But, by and large, they are all really great people who aren’t out to get anyone that I know of, and I’ve worked with them for a long while. I get that it’s frustrating to have something modded, but if it makes you feel any better, they’ve had to mod me a time or two when my temper got the better of me. And Jane, too, for that matter. *G*</p> I have to say, overall, our mods do a really good job with the sheer number of comments, blogs and such they are monitoring all at one time. Every once in a while,someone may moderate something that shouldn’t be — people do make mistakes, ya know? But, by and large, they are all really great people who aren’t out to get anyone that I know of, and I’ve worked with them for a long while. I get that it’s frustrating to have something modded, but if it makes you feel any better, they’ve had to mod me a time or two when my temper got the better of me. And Jane, too, for that matter. *G*

]]> By: demi http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/15/obama-mccain-and-rick-warren-calculations-at-the-intersection-of-faith-and-power/#comment-1581475 demi Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:20:42 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/15/obama-mccain-and-rick-warren-calculations-at-the-intersection-of-faith-and-power/#comment-1581475 <p>Ha. I always say “she’s a funny girl, that God.”</p> Ha. I always say “she’s a funny girl, that God.”

]]> By: demi http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/15/obama-mccain-and-rick-warren-calculations-at-the-intersection-of-faith-and-power/#comment-1581474 demi Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:19:45 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/15/obama-mccain-and-rick-warren-calculations-at-the-intersection-of-faith-and-power/#comment-1581474 <p>Fair enough. Please do.<br /> I can email you what I wrote.<br /> I’ve noticed a lot of new commenters here lately, which is a very good thing. I’ve also noticed a lot of old timers are not here anymore. I just want what’s best for this blog.</p> Fair enough. Please do.
I can email you what I wrote.
I’ve noticed a lot of new commenters here lately, which is a very good thing. I’ve also noticed a lot of old timers are not here anymore. I just want what’s best for this blog.

]]> By: nahant http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/15/obama-mccain-and-rick-warren-calculations-at-the-intersection-of-faith-and-power/#comment-1581469 nahant Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:17:29 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/15/obama-mccain-and-rick-warren-calculations-at-the-intersection-of-faith-and-power/#comment-1581469 <p>Me To I just don’t understand how anyone can swallow that crap… I am sure Jesus would not condone anything like that!</p> Me To I just don’t understand how anyone can swallow that crap… I am sure Jesus would not condone anything like that!

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