Comments on: McCain: Red, White and Outsourced http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/14/mccain-red-white-and-outsourced/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:27:20 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: ally http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/14/mccain-red-white-and-outsourced/#comment-1580473 ally Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:09:50 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/14/mccain-red-white-and-outsourced/#comment-1580473 <p>“I can’t tell you these jobs are ever coming back. The old jobs aren’t coming back.” And no new jobs are coming either because McSame supports outsourcing and unfair free trade. </p> <p>I hope the voters in Ohio and other states really understand this and not vote for McSame.</p> “I can’t tell you these jobs are ever coming back. The old jobs aren’t coming back.” And no new jobs are coming either because McSame supports outsourcing and unfair free trade.

I hope the voters in Ohio and other states really understand this and not vote for McSame.

]]> By: Knut http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/14/mccain-red-white-and-outsourced/#comment-1580432 Knut Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:59:39 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/14/mccain-red-white-and-outsourced/#comment-1580432 <p>I used to think that, and teach that proposition, but I’m not so sure anymore. It looks like most the savings you mention simply go into the pockets of the rich, and not to all the good things you mention. It might be different if we had a progressive income tax, but we don’t. All that happens when you outsource is redistribute income from the not so well-off to the very well-off. </p> <p>If you like that outcome, you are welcome to it. Says a lot about your values, though.</p> I used to think that, and teach that proposition, but I’m not so sure anymore. It looks like most the savings you mention simply go into the pockets of the rich, and not to all the good things you mention. It might be different if we had a progressive income tax, but we don’t. All that happens when you outsource is redistribute income from the not so well-off to the very well-off.

If you like that outcome, you are welcome to it. Says a lot about your values, though.

]]> By: punaise http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/14/mccain-red-white-and-outsourced/#comment-1580421 punaise Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:43:30 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/14/mccain-red-white-and-outsourced/#comment-1580421 <p>newish<a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/14/happy-birthday-social-security-just-slightly-older-than-john-mccain/" rel="nofollow"> thread</a> upstairs.</p> newish thread upstairs.

]]> By: punaise http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/14/mccain-red-white-and-outsourced/#comment-1580420 punaise Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:42:41 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/14/mccain-red-white-and-outsourced/#comment-1580420 <p>I like the graphic effect of the spiral binding on the book’s cover.</p> I like the graphic effect of the spiral binding on the book’s cover.

]]> By: foothillsmike http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/14/mccain-red-white-and-outsourced/#comment-1580419 foothillsmike Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:42:32 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/14/mccain-red-white-and-outsourced/#comment-1580419 <p>How much income tax will the workers in the American ship building yard pay? For every job you creat in a community 4.7 other jobs are created. How much tax will these other workers pay? It is a little more complicated than you make it seem</p> How much income tax will the workers in the American ship building yard pay? For every job you creat in a community 4.7 other jobs are created. How much tax will these other workers pay? It is a little more complicated than you make it seem

]]> By: dakine01 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/14/mccain-red-white-and-outsourced/#comment-1580418 dakine01 Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:40:41 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/14/mccain-red-white-and-outsourced/#comment-1580418 <p>Excuse me. That should be half as much if built overseas; twice as much if built in the US.</p> Excuse me. That should be half as much if built overseas; twice as much if built in the US.

]]> By: dakine01 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/14/mccain-red-white-and-outsourced/#comment-1580417 dakine01 Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:39:09 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/14/mccain-red-white-and-outsourced/#comment-1580417 <p>Do you have a link to a study showing cost of ships being twice as much if built overseas?</p> <p>And doesn’t it make sense for ships to be used by our Navy to be built in the US; for security purposes if for no other reason?</p> <p>Seems that there are some areas that it makes sense for the US to pay a higher price. One of those areas would seem to be to maintain the abilities for certain goods and services to be manufactured in the US and not have them built in other countries where the US does not have control of things.</p> Do you have a link to a study showing cost of ships being twice as much if built overseas?

And doesn’t it make sense for ships to be used by our Navy to be built in the US; for security purposes if for no other reason?

Seems that there are some areas that it makes sense for the US to pay a higher price. One of those areas would seem to be to maintain the abilities for certain goods and services to be manufactured in the US and not have them built in other countries where the US does not have control of things.

]]> By: perris http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/14/mccain-red-white-and-outsourced/#comment-1580416 perris Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:37:34 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/14/mccain-red-white-and-outsourced/#comment-1580416 <blockquote><p>How simplistic are you? There is a downside to buying American when the difference between American and foreign goods is enormous. When the difference is negligible, then obviously, it’s a different question. But let’s not pretend that we sacrifice nothing when we prop up inefficiencies.</p> </blockquote> <p>this is a false trade, we need to do both, single payer health care is CHEAPER then what we pay now, it doesn’t cost a thing</p> <p>we need to do both, and we need to TARIFF ships made in countries that have lower labor conditions then we have, if their labor conditions are equal or better then ours, then we can allow them to bid for our business, otherwise they need to pay the differance between our costs against theirs in a tariff</p>

How simplistic are you? There is a downside to buying American when the difference between American and foreign goods is enormous. When the difference is negligible, then obviously, it’s a different question. But let’s not pretend that we sacrifice nothing when we prop up inefficiencies.

this is a false trade, we need to do both, single payer health care is CHEAPER then what we pay now, it doesn’t cost a thing

we need to do both, and we need to TARIFF ships made in countries that have lower labor conditions then we have, if their labor conditions are equal or better then ours, then we can allow them to bid for our business, otherwise they need to pay the differance between our costs against theirs in a tariff

]]> By: dakine01 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/14/mccain-red-white-and-outsourced/#comment-1580415 dakine01 Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:36:13 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/14/mccain-red-white-and-outsourced/#comment-1580415 <p><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/14/happy-birthday-social-security-just-slightly-older-than-john-mccain/" rel="nofollow">New Jane upstairs</a></p> New Jane upstairs

]]> By: RonD http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/14/mccain-red-white-and-outsourced/#comment-1580414 RonD Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:34:45 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/14/mccain-red-white-and-outsourced/#comment-1580414 <blockquote><p>Milo Minderbender has been fully institutionalized. </p></blockquote> <p>ROTFL! Isn’t that just the truth?</p>

Milo Minderbender has been fully institutionalized.

ROTFL! Isn’t that just the truth?

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