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	<title>Comments on: Obama Nation vs. The Real McCain: A Study In Contrasts</title>
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		<title>By: donmoe</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/13/obama-nation-vs-the-real-mccain-a-study-in-contrasts/#comment-1580329</link>
		<dc:creator>donmoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The NY Times miscategorizes Corsi’s book as “non-fiction”, when it so clearly is total fiction!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Webster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Webster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The CorporateM$M will do anything and everything they can to protect their bottom line. We no longer have journalism in this country–that died years ago–what we have is plutocratism. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Does anyone really think these huge companies are going to give a fair shake to anyone who might even hint at holding them accountable or might suggest there should be some regulation brought into the picture?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You bet they’re behind McCain–and while they’re there they’re going to be stuffing as much adulation (and laundered cash) up McCain’s wrinkled old posterior as they can. This is Reagan’s legacy, this is what he was all about, and it was predicted back in 2002 in yet another neglected book, &lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;Reaganism and the Death of Representative Democracy&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt; by Walter Williams (Georgetown University Press). &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We’re out here alone with the truth in blog-land. Don’t expect justice or journalism from the CorporateM$M. It’s a wasteland.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CorporateM$M will do anything and everything they can to protect their bottom line. We no longer have journalism in this country–that died years ago–what we have is plutocratism. </p>
<p>Does anyone really think these huge companies are going to give a fair shake to anyone who might even hint at holding them accountable or might suggest there should be some regulation brought into the picture?</p>
<p>You bet they’re behind McCain–and while they’re there they’re going to be stuffing as much adulation (and laundered cash) up McCain’s wrinkled old posterior as they can. This is Reagan’s legacy, this is what he was all about, and it was predicted back in 2002 in yet another neglected book, <em></em>Reaganism and the Death of Representative Democracy<em></em> by Walter Williams (Georgetown University Press). </p>
<p>We’re out here alone with the truth in blog-land. Don’t expect justice or journalism from the CorporateM$M. It’s a wasteland.</p>
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		<title>By: calscientist</title>
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		<dc:creator>calscientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As noted, Larry King and Paul Waldman called out Corsi quite effectively on his Freep days and his antisemitism, antipapalism, and antiislamism.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As noted, Larry King and Paul Waldman called out Corsi quite effectively on his Freep days and his antisemitism, antipapalism, and antiislamism.</p>
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		<title>By: calscientist</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/13/obama-nation-vs-the-real-mccain-a-study-in-contrasts/#comment-1579982</link>
		<dc:creator>calscientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 06:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Actually, to his credit, Larry King pulled up verbatim a couple of the quotes Corsi had laid out at the Freerepublic site.  They were nasty, nasty ones.  Anti semitic, anti pope, anti islam.  Corsi’s only comeback was that he had apologized, that these were not reflective of his overall writings, and meant to be provocative, and that he had done much work in penance.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have to say that while Waldman was effective in the Larry King show, and thank god for the excellent work of MM, I wish that he had cited more specifics against Corsi.  He brought up two - the nefarious drug charge and the ridiculous sharia divorce business.  Corsi tried to slime his way out.  The problem is that Corsi has that air of Cheney about him - he is clearly a nutcase, but he sounds and looks reasonable in that avuncular white haired way.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I do wish Larry King would bring on Cliff Shechter!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, to his credit, Larry King pulled up verbatim a couple of the quotes Corsi had laid out at the Freerepublic site.  They were nasty, nasty ones.  Anti semitic, anti pope, anti islam.  Corsi’s only comeback was that he had apologized, that these were not reflective of his overall writings, and meant to be provocative, and that he had done much work in penance.  </p>
<p>I have to say that while Waldman was effective in the Larry King show, and thank god for the excellent work of MM, I wish that he had cited more specifics against Corsi.  He brought up two &#8211; the nefarious drug charge and the ridiculous sharia divorce business.  Corsi tried to slime his way out.  The problem is that Corsi has that air of Cheney about him &#8211; he is clearly a nutcase, but he sounds and looks reasonable in that avuncular white haired way.  </p>
<p>I do wish Larry King would bring on Cliff Shechter!</p>
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		<title>By: David Neiwert</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Neiwert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 04:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That was yours truly. Thanks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: TheShadowKnows</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheShadowKnows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;1) All high level government officials, elected and appointed, are members of the ruling class of citizens. Think of them as members in good standing of the “U.S.A. Country Club”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2) The dues for this membership are a substantial amount of personal wealth, or the assistance of those so endowed AND the good-will of the other members. Do something inamicable to the good name of the club, and you are in danger of being kicked out of the club.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;3) Those few members in the club whose conscience would favor exposing and diminishing the massive fraud and theft some members of the U.S.A.C.C. (USACC) perpetrate against the Commonwealth of the U.S.A., and against the poor around the world (who remain the fortunate ones in their nations if they are not killed or dismembered by the U.S. M-I-C outright), those few honest members of the USACC fully know what fate waits for them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;4) The USACC has at its disposal a full-bore propaganda agency broadcast agency (Fox TV 24/7 Channels), a full armada of Republican radio opinion making and reputation “destroyers”, newsprint media which are classic examples of Yellow Journalism and a Main Stream Media which provides an unbalanced presentation of “news you need to know” in proportions of 75% favoring international corporate interests, 24% presenting “Centrist” interests, and the remaining perhaps 1% presenting Liberal and Progressive causes in a non-discriminatory light. No wonder America has “TURNED” more Republican or “conservative” in the last 30 years.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;5) It is unfair to ask any newsperson to throw themself into the media Buzzsaw which awaits those members who dare to speak ill of fellow members of the USACC. If one has that audacity, their political career will be steered onto the same track that took Dan Rather to the sawdust pile of those who “bucked” THE club. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What we need to do is to create a new media, a new distribution system of the Progressive and Liberal ideas which brought this nation to its now quickly shrinking greatness. At the same time, except for those whose mission it is to expose the lies, disceptions, and half-truths of the media stooges, we should shun the marketing hacks posing as truth-teller journlists, and all the sponsors who have us, their customers, pay the salaries for thesee hacks.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;After all, the MSM State Progaganda Lies cannot reach those who are not listening, nor watching, nor reading their Orwellian drivel.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s why I am here!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) All high level government officials, elected and appointed, are members of the ruling class of citizens. Think of them as members in good standing of the “U.S.A. Country Club”.</p>
<p>2) The dues for this membership are a substantial amount of personal wealth, or the assistance of those so endowed AND the good-will of the other members. Do something inamicable to the good name of the club, and you are in danger of being kicked out of the club.</p>
<p>3) Those few members in the club whose conscience would favor exposing and diminishing the massive fraud and theft some members of the U.S.A.C.C. (USACC) perpetrate against the Commonwealth of the U.S.A., and against the poor around the world (who remain the fortunate ones in their nations if they are not killed or dismembered by the U.S. M-I-C outright), those few honest members of the USACC fully know what fate waits for them.</p>
<p>4) The USACC has at its disposal a full-bore propaganda agency broadcast agency (Fox TV 24/7 Channels), a full armada of Republican radio opinion making and reputation “destroyers”, newsprint media which are classic examples of Yellow Journalism and a Main Stream Media which provides an unbalanced presentation of “news you need to know” in proportions of 75% favoring international corporate interests, 24% presenting “Centrist” interests, and the remaining perhaps 1% presenting Liberal and Progressive causes in a non-discriminatory light. No wonder America has “TURNED” more Republican or “conservative” in the last 30 years.</p>
<p>5) It is unfair to ask any newsperson to throw themself into the media Buzzsaw which awaits those members who dare to speak ill of fellow members of the USACC. If one has that audacity, their political career will be steered onto the same track that took Dan Rather to the sawdust pile of those who “bucked” THE club. </p>
<p>What we need to do is to create a new media, a new distribution system of the Progressive and Liberal ideas which brought this nation to its now quickly shrinking greatness. At the same time, except for those whose mission it is to expose the lies, disceptions, and half-truths of the media stooges, we should shun the marketing hacks posing as truth-teller journlists, and all the sponsors who have us, their customers, pay the salaries for thesee hacks.</p>
<p>After all, the MSM State Progaganda Lies cannot reach those who are not listening, nor watching, nor reading their Orwellian drivel.</p>
<p>That’s why I am here!</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt; “His mother often went to the church,” Adi told the Times, “but Barry was a Muslim. I remember him wearing a sarong” [Page 56].&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yep! Wearing a sarong makes you a Muslim! This is just the sort of ridiculous fare that the right-wing has to push off on a culturally-blindered American public.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Men wear sarongs in Indonesia because they are easier to put on and cooler than trousers. One wears to go to the bathroom in the morning, after a shower, and in just relaxing around the house. It’s like wrapping a towel around ones waist.  Lots of Ozzie surfers in Kuta Beach in Bali wear sarongs because, unlike their jammies, they get more coverage from mosquito bites. Almost all Indonesian males wear sarongs at some point…and that includes the Hindu Balinese, the Christian Bataks, and many Buddhists. Sarongs are also useful as devices as blankets, sheets, changing one’s underclothing, sunshades, pillows and towels.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Usually the attire for a mosque is more formal, a pair of loose white pajama-like pants. It’s NOT generally a sarong. This is an Arab/South Asian introduction into Indonesia. It’s accompanied by a white shirt and the &lt;em&gt;topi&lt;/em&gt;, a small skull cap.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is simply more silliness on the part of the right-wing looney-toons.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> “His mother often went to the church,” Adi told the Times, “but Barry was a Muslim. I remember him wearing a sarong” [Page 56].</p>
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<p>Yep! Wearing a sarong makes you a Muslim! This is just the sort of ridiculous fare that the right-wing has to push off on a culturally-blindered American public.</p>
<p>Men wear sarongs in Indonesia because they are easier to put on and cooler than trousers. One wears to go to the bathroom in the morning, after a shower, and in just relaxing around the house. It’s like wrapping a towel around ones waist.  Lots of Ozzie surfers in Kuta Beach in Bali wear sarongs because, unlike their jammies, they get more coverage from mosquito bites. Almost all Indonesian males wear sarongs at some point…and that includes the Hindu Balinese, the Christian Bataks, and many Buddhists. Sarongs are also useful as devices as blankets, sheets, changing one’s underclothing, sunshades, pillows and towels.</p>
<p>Usually the attire for a mosque is more formal, a pair of loose white pajama-like pants. It’s NOT generally a sarong. This is an Arab/South Asian introduction into Indonesia. It’s accompanied by a white shirt and the <em>topi</em>, a small skull cap.</p>
<p>This is simply more silliness on the part of the right-wing looney-toons.</p>
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		<title>By: ccmask</title>
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		<dc:creator>ccmask</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There are a lot of laughs and discussions at the Amazon page for this book.  Here are two snippets:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;M. Navarro says:&lt;br /&gt;
i was leaning towards obama but after reading this book only half way through. i have completely made a 360.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Alex Gershon says:&lt;br /&gt;
If you made a 360, doesn’t that mean you’re back to supporting Obama? Maybe it’s the new math, or all that independent objectivity of yours…&lt;br /&gt;
+++++++++++++++&lt;br /&gt;
J. Thompson says:&lt;br /&gt;
I have just ordered this book, so I can’t say yet how I will feel about what is said in it. I voted for Obama in the primary, but have changed my support to McCain after closely looking at Obama’s positions on the war in Iraq, the economy, oil drilling, and increased income taxes for socialistic programs.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Stout House says:  Congratulations, J. You ordered some books on Amazon and saw Corsi “on the TV.” A trained orangutan could do the same. The question, though, is whether or not he would understand what he sees. Like you, the same critter could also be trained to pull a lever for McCain in November. Also like you, he’d be ignorant of the consequences of his actions . . . until John McCain comes along in January and takes away his M&amp;Ms.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of laughs and discussions at the Amazon page for this book.  Here are two snippets:</p>
<p>M. Navarro says:<br />
i was leaning towards obama but after reading this book only half way through. i have completely made a 360.</p>
<p>Alex Gershon says:<br />
If you made a 360, doesn’t that mean you’re back to supporting Obama? Maybe it’s the new math, or all that independent objectivity of yours…<br />
+++++++++++++++<br />
J. Thompson says:<br />
I have just ordered this book, so I can’t say yet how I will feel about what is said in it. I voted for Obama in the primary, but have changed my support to McCain after closely looking at Obama’s positions on the war in Iraq, the economy, oil drilling, and increased income taxes for socialistic programs.</p>
<p>Stout House says:  Congratulations, J. You ordered some books on Amazon and saw Corsi “on the TV.” A trained orangutan could do the same. The question, though, is whether or not he would understand what he sees. Like you, the same critter could also be trained to pull a lever for McCain in November. Also like you, he’d be ignorant of the consequences of his actions . . . until John McCain comes along in January and takes away his M&amp;Ms.</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
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		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;’welcome&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;amd i’ve passed your list all over the place. thank you. i remember when it started, thank you for keeping it going. smooch. hug.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>’welcome</p>
<p>amd i’ve passed your list all over the place. thank you. i remember when it started, thank you for keeping it going. smooch. hug.</p>
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		<title>By: KayInMaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>KayInMaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;LOL &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Barack Obama supporter” = Media Matters&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Okay, I’m tired. Going to bed. ;-)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL </p>
<p>“Barack Obama supporter” = Media Matters</p>
<p>Okay, I’m tired. Going to bed. ;-)</p>
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