by all means, go, Joe. just don’t come back.

You can’t make this stuff up

I bet McCain told them to catch a Braves game while they’re in Georgia…

In what is being billed as Dildo Diplomacy.

-G

So do we have a hereditary monarchy now where King George just passed the crown to McBush and we all missed the event?

Does he cut the red wire or the blue one?

I hope this blows up in his face politically and takes Lieberman with him.

this whole scenario stinks to high heaven of having BushCo meddling in places they shouldn’t be to take everyones mind off of the many, many disasters happening already in progress.

Could they make this any more obvious? Do they think no one is watching?

Our hero!! Vice President Lieberman!!

GAG!!

But McCain is not acting presumptuous

You know it’s serious when McCain parts with his butt-gerbils.

The Bushies insist they knew nothing about what the Georgians were planning, Condi Rice phoned it in despite the fact that she’s a Russia specialist who met with Saakashvilli on July 9, and Karl Rove was suspiciously in the area with Saakishvilli shortly thereafter.

this entire affair might well have ysbeen that “august surprise” rove promised us a while back

so suggests the daily kos here;

http://www.dailykos.com/story/…..256/567224

Who is going to whisper corrections in his ear or crash the bus while they are gone?

Digg this post

Its Ok because he was a POW didn’t ya know?

Now McCain is dispatching Lindsey Graham and Joe Lieberman to Georgia (ostensibly as members of the Armed Services Committee).

obama is in a tough position if he cares anything about the people who are in the middle of the conflict. any good suggestion or position he endorses will be just what bush needs to decide to do the opposite. so i have just one thing to say:

where the fuck is levin?

Who is gonna watch McCain if those two are headed to Georgia?

Seriously, where are the DEMOCRATS? Can we have a “presumptuous” chorus, a large helping of “just one president at a time,” a few bars from “let the president’s team conduct foreign policy?”

This would be a wonderful moment for Nancy Pelosi to remind everyone of how she was schooled for going to Syria. Who is the chairman of the Armed Services Committee? Why doesn’t he speak up and say, “fellas, you just stay out of the WAR zone?”

Really, just because the presumptive nominee is on a week’s deserved vacation doesn’t mean somebody else can stand up and say, “CUT IT OUT, MCCAIN!”

Sure is nice to have butt-boys..

If McSame went himself he could walk out into a battlefield, protected by hundreds of troops, w/ 5-6 helicopters overhead, and see that everything is fine

It’s not like we didn’t warn them.

A statement from Obama stating that we have only one President and McCain should be careful not to forget that.

He’s a daft bugger, McCain, with a Napoleon complex.

Who’s presumptuous now?

he might be presumptuous but he wll never be “eloquent”

Every week ya think it can’t get worse…………but it does. :-(

He can’t raise his arm high enough to stick it in his shirt two buttons down

My 85 yr old Dad was watching Lieberman on TeeVee last evening….. said that Lieberman wants to be VP just as bad as McBush wants to be Prez….. will do anything….. AND that is from a super low information voter…

I wonder if Lieberman is going to wear his pink tutu over there

If the American people elect McCain on the strength of this foreign policy fiasco, we are just going to have to accept that we are f*cked up beyond repair. Fortunately, it’s a long way to the election, and this so-called ‘crisis’ will be overshadowed by the developing economic meltdown. Obama should not be smoked out on this one. It’s lose-lose for him, because the MSM have determined that only McSame can do the job as Fuhrer. The Russians are smart, and they aren’t going to give him any more rope than he needs to hang himself. Ditto the Europeans. They are not going to do anything to make him look good. That leaves Israel. I don’t think their tail can wag our dog this time.

I’m back from a week long break and I tell you I can’t take any more kabuki. I just read about the leader of the Arkansas Dem Party leader shot to death, the cherry on the cake of our democracy gone to hell, and wreaking havoc on the rest of the globe.

I almost wish that McCain would pick him because despite Joe being a riveting speaker who oozes charisma, I think that would pretty well clinch it for Obama.

It’s about as likely as him picking everybody’s favorite exorcist Bobby Jindal.

Hmmm. I guess McCain wasn’t kidding with that ad dubbing himself the President already.

The Bayh talk is starting to piss me off. He’s moved to the top of Obama’s list because of the new focus on foreign policy, they say, due to the South Ossetian War. Evan Bayh was co-chair with John McCain of the Committee to Liberate Iraq, exec’directored by Randy Scheunemann. And that shows foreign policy expertise and judgment — how??

WASHINGTON – As the Senate debate on the use of force against Iraq neared its climax in October 2002, Senator John McCain turned on the floor to Senator Evan Bayh to ask what had led him to take such “a visible, as well as important” role in seeking Congressional consent for military action.

Mr. Bayh, a cautious Indiana Democrat, acknowledged it had not been an easy decision.

“There is reluctance in my heart, as I know there is in the other senators, to contemplate the use of force,” Mr. Bayh said, adding that he concluded “we were simply left with no other credible alternative to protect the safety and well-being of the American people.”

Georgian troops protecting him against Russians? Not likely to work out as smoothly as that Baghdad market.

Is Saakashvilli’s strings being pulled by McSames lobbyist buddies/ Karl Rove?

Because strong on national security is just another way of saying someone’s a warmongering neocon fuckwit.

Yup, McCain talks to himself several times a day. Obama cannot win on his own. It’s time for the MSM to step up and call McCain on some of his bullsh’t.

I just can’t see it. It would complete dilute the message of transforming Washington. I look for him to pick somebody from outside the Beltway.

repeating this again cuz it mattters–this was a major neo-con event. they have invested million of dollars and time in the caucus area. and it’s not in the process of being blown to smithereens.

on my top five most important panels list ever. since cspan started in the early 80’s…click view then red button.
aei take on georgia today. they let their slip show….really. i wish everyone would watch it. they let their strategy out, not on purpose. they like to hear themselves talk, uninterrupted, and let stuff out, then more trying to clean it up. runs 1:41

http://inside.c-spanarchives.o…..=566908072

and a public service announcement for people who get caught up in a thread and don’[t realize there is a new one–
i’m gonna go back to lurking. commenting away. new thread. noone said anything.
epu’d

not worth the effort it takes to participate and ends up you aren’t participating….

: )
replyReply

And unnamed folks who went on national tv and said, it didn’t matter who won the primary because they were both Democrats. Not that we’re still bitter.

and it’s not in the process of being blown to smithereens.

We’ll know when it happens – until we’re just having our strings pulled by the MSM

Don’t worry about McThuselah. He still has B-string butt boy Charlie Crist. Charlie’s feeling a little heat here in Florida since the state’s top mortgage regulator had to resign. It turns out over 10,000 criminals were approved to work in the mortgage industry and they’ve been making a ton of money.

I really hope that Obama is just laying back and letting McCain get caught in what is beginning to look like a really ham-fisted conspiracy. Please, please let that be the case… (rather than him jumping into the middle of it with Bayh).

Levin is the Chair of the Armed Services Committee- not McCain. Where is Levin in this?

he’s not gonna get it. doesn’t bring enough to the table. not familiar enough to the common voter.

and nobody knows how to spell his name..not kidding.

Jane, I think you hit the exact right wording in your Blogging Heads clip earlier today: Extra War. Who in this country needs or wants an Extra War? Nobody. Obama can link the idea of US military involvement in Georgia to Iraq: “Recent history has shown all too starkly that well-meaning but ill-considered wars can have counterproductive, dangerous, and tragic results. Given where we as a nation are today, we do not have the luxury of undertaking an Extra War.” That kind of approach might help him get on the right side of this.

Sending Lindsey and Joe at this point is like sending hannibal in to check on the children late a night.

If that leader is willing to see Lieberman and Graham at all.. I have little sympathy, but lots of sadness and dismay at ourselves.

I have linked to this several times but it is a must see

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJUCU1UH2w

Pelosi is busy not impeaching and loyalty to the Clintons keeps Democrats silent.

The Neo-cons strategies have made things disastrous for Israel.

Israel is in a bind now. They are backing away from Georgia. The Russians are very key in applying any effective pressure on Iran.

Russia may now expedite their advanced anti-aircraft weaponry to Iran.

Israel’s ally Turkey just hosted Israel’s nemesis Iran.

Syria and Lebanon have just announced plans to establish full fiplomatic ties.

The Lebanese gov’t just announced support for Hezbollah in their efforts to reclaim the Shaba Farms disputed territory occupied by Israel.

The Neo-cons are going to be the death of Israel.

-G

So basically, Russia invading Georgie was planned by Bush & Pootie through their underlings to help Johnny McTeleprompter out? Wouldn’t surprise me! This is why Georgie & Pootie were at the Olympics together. They knew what was coming and knew it would look better if they were out of their countries so as not to be connected to this latest conspiracy.

That has a lot to do with why I think McCain’s posturing on this matter is likely to backfire. Voters don’t want to even contemplate ANOTHER conflict. Even without realizing that Republicans are up to their eyeballs in fomenting this, voters will perceive it as going out of the way to LOOK for trouble.

Meanwhile, the U.S. economy continues to founder…

I just watched the AEI Panel . . . nary (or hardly) a word about our money tied up in the pipelines. A lot of ‘freedom loving allies’ BS, criticism of BushCo for allowing Putin to one up us, but not a word about the oil and gas and the pipelines . . . which are ALL Russia is about, cuz if Russia controls those in Georgia, Gazprom will be a complete monopoly on the EU’s energy needs for gas and oil. And Russia can control and manipulate EU by turning on and off the spigots of power and control.

I’ll bet Shell, the Texas oil boys and many others are crapping their pants given BoyKing and Darth can only do one of two things:

1) Let it go, accept the loss.
2) Provoke a direct confrontation with Russia, and try and blow it all up.

I’m not sure either of those options are what USA Power/Military want, but I know Option 1 won’t cause a world wide nuke conflag. I also know Darth might be DROOLING, finally, to be able to loose some DAMNED USA FIREPOWER ON THEM COMMIES!!!

Stock up on your medications . . . I need a few more cases of Merlot, that’s for sure.

Good coverage of this all here at FDL, but where’s that MISSING NAVAL ARMADA!!! *G*

Is it headed to the Persian Gulf, or the Med and the Bosporus Straits?!?!?!
Either way, once it arrives where it’s heading, our lives age gonna change significantly.

And Russia figures into it all, at EITHER location . . .

M. Albright on The Newshour

Obama has GOT to start attacking McCain’s supposed “best judgment in a crisis” BS. Building on the “maverick” thing, McCain should be depicted as a rogue elephant, charging around unpredictably, with no strategic vision. He should, rightly, be depicted as SCARY as Goldwater’s finger on The Button, with McCain’s singing “Bomb, bomb, bomb; Bomb, bomb Iran” looping in the background.

Not to mention the Logan Act. America needs to be reminded about that law and why it is the law.

Bob in HI

So Lieberman and Graham are going to Georgia? That reminds me of something.

Isn’t it rich?
Are we a pair?
Me here at last on the ground,
You in mid-air.
Send in the clowns.

Isn’t it bliss?
Don’t you approve?
One who keeps tearing around,
One who can’t move.
Where are the clowns?
Send in the clowns.

Who says McCain doesn’t have a sense for the dramatic?

Are you sure it’s foundering? MBA Bush cut taxes for himself, his family, and his cronies. Tax cuts fix everything, always!

Re Obama, his momentum began to fade about the time he started attacking his base. A coincidence? Yeah, right.

Neocons are poor at tactical and strategic preparations. The failure to cut the Roki tunnel, through which poured most of the Russian tanks and APCs is a big boo boo.

Don’t pick fights you can’t win….

you know what’s irkin me off about all of this? really irkin’ me off?

stephen payne and randy sheunemann…..teflon. two scariest dudes i’ve ever come across in research. hooked with frank carlucci of carlyle fame and so many others it would take an entire post to list them.

lots there. too much there for me to completely research…..two months ago i was looking into them. anyone covering this would have had to gather their connections to this if they even pulled up one link. it’s right htere, in the open…or was, many of my links have been scrubbed since last weekend…….pay attention? follow it? i did, and i was on dial-up, though i admit i have a morbid curiousity about things that match up.
any reporter or journalist who simply pulled up one of their lobbyist inc. companies, and matched it would have found it.
this was the one hidden.
the jbanc
http://www.jbanc.org/

was the link, the simplest one, stephen payne was on their board, until he was caught takin bribes for bush’s library from a ‘baltic’ rep…….
all of this was easily available then, now has been ’scrubbed’
all of it, i’m tellin’ ya, all of it scrubbed.

a month later, a post on jbanc about randy scheuneman and two other mccain reps met with jbanc people to appease them and say how they support their efforts. now has been scrubbed.

cbl2 found the pic for me…article gone….

the woman on the right in the back row is the georgian rep.

march 13th
http://www.alausa.org/gg/March…..n_Reps.jpg

i’m just a chick in ohio, i found it.
now that it is happening, nothing. no mention.

albright and eagleburger on lehrer about georgia, missed part of it, am still waiting to hear if this is a bigger operation than neo-con.

and no, i don’t own a tinfoil hat, not yet.

“I really hope that Obama is just laying back and letting McCain get caught in what is beginning to look like a really ham-fisted conspiracy. Please, please let that be the case…”

It is my impression that what Obama has been doing here in Hawaii is reconnecting with his roots, and with his sense of Who He Is. He visited his Grandmother, had lunch with some old chums from High School, walked barefooted on the beach, and hung out with family. I think it was time well spent.

I think he recognized that he was breathing too much of the Washington Beltway laughing gas, and his head was beginning to hurt. I am hoping that his pause for refreshment will help him resist the Mark Penns and other crazies among his advisors, and will go back to what he does best.

Bob in HI

Only 99,000 to go on the Facebook Group

“100,000 Strong Against Evan Bayh for VP!”

Join us, and invite your friends!

disgusting. you need to post that on siun’s threads.

Man, this McSame campaign just keeps getting weirder:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/n…..nor_ha.php

Sindy McSame gets sent to hospital because some oafish Repube shakes her hand too hard? Ms. PrivateJet’s probably pretty peeved at having to mingle with the riff raff.

I’ll bet Harvard would like to rescind that degree.

The entire operation in Georgia, and the media’s interpretation of it here in the US is entirely a Karl Rove “discernible reality” Production.

Yes, he has THAT MUCH capability, evil intent, and resources at his disposal.

Whether it is war or terrorism, Karl Rove is capable of creating any form of imaginable havoc for political gain.

EVERY Terror Event since 2000 has been a Karl Rove Production.

This Genocide is just another notch on his belt.

That’s a theory I’d like to subscribe to. It is devoutly to be wished.

But where are the surrogates? Has Obama muffled everyone while on vaca?

Reminds me of windsurfing….

I’ll bet Harvard would like to rescind that degree.

I dunno Harvard is a pretty conservative place, especially its business school I would think.

Georgia is another example of a Republican fuckup being portrayed as expertise.

I hope you are right, as well. The pics have shown Obama looking really relaxed and his remarks have been circumspect, I think. Listening to the Newshour piece on this Russian things really points up the need for some serious, clear, complex thinking on our world. Not cowboy, America hubris stuff. I think his tone could be so helpful, and folks would trust him. Like you, I hope he comes home renewed, ready for battle, as you say, grounded.

i’m still waiting for the same firedoglake push to be used on the flickr group as was used for facebook…i made the effort and then it died. i was so excited to be a part of it. i really was.kinda pissed me off, since facebook kicked me off cuz i was honest. and days of posts were done to promote facebook and one single little iddy biddy post was done to promote the firedoglake members flickr page.

wrote a few letters about it, no answer.

so, made a bigger effort to do the flickr page after the facebook debacle.
nothing from fdl to promote it.

that’s ok, my friends liked it, and saw lots of cool stuff from the pups that did sign on. that i have enjoyed. i love links pups give to photos and things, so, thought i would do the same. i know you have a flickr page, but didn’t sign up…why did you guys launch this and not support it? i wondered. still do,.
http://www.flickr.com/groups_m…..tab=member

in other words, facebook can —- me…..and i received an email about a facebook bug from a tech i know. i’m not normally vindictive, but i did like the idea that their techs were having to deal with it.

707! So true.

For serious news analysis and giving their audience an understanding of the situation and nuances in the Georgia-Russia contretemps, CNN provided… James Carville and Bill Bennett.

Gag me.

OT–Is nothing sacred? Julia Child was a spy???

I joined, Teddy! ;-)

What’s really scary is Johnny is not taking some time off, will end up freaking out from wearing himself out, and the next thing we know he’ll scream, “That’s it! The Russians aren’t listening to a damn thing I’m saying so let’s nuke the hell out of them!”.

He scares me.

I’m glad Barack Obama is taking some time off right now. He’s not the president yet and any situation that arises is George Bush’s to deal with anyways.

I laugh at Johnny as he acts like the guy with all the answers without telling his supporter(s) that he’s got lobbyists people in his campaign connected to the Georgian government.

Yep, thanks. So glad I missed it. Bennett comes on my drive time car radio, but not for long.

oh, and someone sent me an email that i need to answer. a neo-con

does anyone know how many were in obama’s graduating class?

and his undergrad info?

wanna send back

obama-#1 in his class
mccain-4th from the bottom.

i need it to send back to this neanderthal.

here’s why-here’s the email in response to my receipt of an offensive obama email from a friend, i accidentally hit ‘reply all’ instead of ‘reply’ and got answers back from neocons, my letter is below his.

==========
Anyway, here is something to consider when choosing the Commander-in-Chief of these United States…

Congressional experience:
John McCain 26 Years
Barack Obama 143 Days

Military experience:
John McCain 22 Years
Barack Obama none

‘Nuff said.
-K

Imagine the world you would be living in if McCain wins.

Seriously.

d

David Shuster is hosting Hardball… A better diversion IMHO…! ;-)

mccain just had ‘time off’ at the ranch, but wasn’t called a vacation.

thanks, i don’t have all of the shows ‘down’ yet.

For serious news analysis and giving their audience an understanding of the situation and nuances in the Georgia-Russia contretemps, CNN provided… James Carville and Bill Bennett.

I am reminded of a mid ’60s interview with Pete Townsend included in the documentary The Kids Are Alright.

teenager: “You say your group doesn’t have any quality, why don’t you try to give it some?”
Townsend: “No, you don’t understand, if you steer clear of quality, you’ll do alright.”

If Townsend was correct, CNN should do alright.

That was a reply to Prairie Sunshin @ 73.

Slave owners, extramarital affairs, oil heiresses, cozy with swindlers among other stuff in Johnny McTeleprompter’s history:

http://www.nndb.com/people/914/000023845/

Hey dmac…
since facebook kicked me off cuz i was honest.
I’m one of the people who did not quit FB, but, I don’t use it very much, so I’m wondering what you mean by the copied fragment.

ratman at 83

my favorite man, pete. oh my. taught me how to look at the world, ’pure and easy’ and ’let’s see action’.

he’d be sayin’ this one right now-
don’t try to make me real.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=nb2E__rmqFs

and one of my favorites of all time.
now and then (you see a soul you can’t do a thing about it)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im6vrdULHuE

: )

i emailed a question and they realized that i wasn’t using my ‘full real name’ and kicked me off!!!! —- them. like everyone does, yeah right.

won’t ever have an account there. ever.

that 88 was to demi

reply didn’t work, don’t know why.

The Grey Lady chimes in…

McCain to Send His Wingmen to Georgia

Senator John McCain turned aside questions today about whether Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, had strayed over the political line yesterday when he said that Senator Barack Obama had shown inexperience in his initial response to the war between Russia and Georgia.

And he tried to tamp down earlier charges from the Obama camp that he was responding to the Russian crisis with a belligerence that could only make the situation worse. He said he was taking a hard line on Russia but wasn’t trying to “reignite the Cold War.”[…]

“As the Russians move into Georgia as aggressors, and if you read the statements from the beginning, from Senator McCain and Senator Obama, one had a kind of moral neutrality to it,” Mr. Lieberman said Tuesday. “That comes, I think, from inexperience.” He added that Mr. McCain’s statement was “strong and clear” and showed he was ready to be commander in chief from day one.

I don’t think she made any great secret of the fact that she was in the OSS. Please note, that was during WWII.

If you try to reply to someone before the page finishes loading completely, the Reply does not appear to work.

Mr. neiwert has a new thread upstairs.

http://firedoglake.com/2008/08…..s/#respond

Heh, KO just showed a clip of Mcinsane stuttering in answering a question from a reporter that asked for a response to Hojo’s assertion that I just quoted @ 90…! ;-)

You shouldn’t make a comment like that until you’ve shaken hands with a coupla hundred strangers in a day. Then I’ll listen to you.

Bob in HI

and demi and teddy–i was bummed because i actually went to great efforts to post art work, friends, home stuff, etc….i was kinda pissed when it didn’t get promoted. at all. i even linked my name to the firedoglake site instead of my own…
now it’s linked to my music site with the flickr page listed.

irked me, still does. why launch something and drop it after one post? quite a few of us made an effort and for what?

big smooch. mwah.

Sorry to reply late. Was on the phone with Mom.
That sux. FB kicking you off, not talking to mom. Ha. I’ve heard lots of people admit they don’t use all their Real Information.
I don’t blame you at all.

epu’d again, i give up, i certainly do ‘give it up’ to the epu ghost.

off to other things more tangible.

As my 14 year old says…Never give up. Never surrender. But, I understand taking a break, if ya need to.

it’s all in the timing.

you know that.

: )

The GOP/Media Complex is apparently busy fibbing away on behalf of McCain’s buddies in Georgia:

CNN blamed for using misleading war video

American broadcaster CNN has been accused of using the wrong pictures in their coverage of the conflict in South Ossetia. A Russian cameraman says footage of wrecked tanks and ruined buildings, which was purported to have been filmed in the town of Gori, in fact showed the South Ossetian capital Tskhinvali.

yeah, and i have a thing about lying. so, with flickr, i didn’t have to ‘claim’ anything..a way around it….check it out demi, click on my name check out my blog and my flickr page you would like it, the blog, it’s music about love and compassion.

still in the construction stage. i’ve gotten too many toys in a short period of time…gonna take a while to absorb it all, but i promise it will not disappoint. passin’ on all of the stuff that’s been handed to me. from all kinds of places.
enough said.
takecare.

and they used footage of ruins as ‘just bombed’ places….

i trust what they[’re showin’ me, don’[t you?

Geez – I dunno… Ya get this high speed intertoobz thingie, evacuate yer desktop of all them little nuisances, differnt browser – firewolf, is it?

and ya still get epu’d

oh… and yeah – f FB

;~P

Midnight shortbus to Georgia.

I heard on (N)ice (P)olite (R)epublicans this morning that CNN is planning on opening dozens of new “bureaus” in the US, when all the other neetworks are downsizing their “talent” – All it takes is a cubicle, camera, high speed internet connection and you, too, can be a CNN “reporter”

Yah-fucking-hoo!!!

One definition of Hell is being trapped in an elevator for all eternity with Lieberman and Graham. Hasn’t Georgia suffered enough without inflicting these sanctimonious pricks on them?

I agree that Obama ought to be speaking up more. But, with all respect to Jane, I guess I’m not convinced that McCain’s presidential pantomimes over Georgia resonate in economically hard hit states like Ohio and Michigan.
With the Detroit Three sucking wind, DHL possibly leaving Ohio, energy prices still in the stratosphere, etc., I think folks in those states still are worried more about their pocketbooks than about the Russia-Georgia situation. Or maybe I’m just in denial. ;-)

Because Larry and Curly weren’t available!

Supposedly we are sending warships to Georgian ports with humanitarian supplies. Under Kennedy we went to the mat to keep Russia out of Cuba although they had every right to be there. We can say we were invited to Georgia, but Russia would be equally intent on keeping us out. This is a serious game of chicken. Unfortunately we started it, and our president is foolish enough to not swerve.

With Russian and US armed forces in such close proximity, a very dangerous situation exists. Probably the responsible thing to do is to stay out of it. Politicizing all this by sending your Sancho Panzas is really irresponsible.