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	<title>Comments on: Black and White and Obama: The Truths We Cannot Speak</title>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, the candidate of choice, hands down - be they black white brown pink or sapphire - would be Barack Obama.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the candidate of choice, hands down &#8211; be they black white brown pink or sapphire &#8211; would be Barack Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Who are you? You can’t be serious.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i shall treasure that always.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;who WAS that &lt;strong&gt;Sapphire-vented Puffleg&lt;/strong&gt;???&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Double dare ya to google it &amp; then click “Images”.  Oh it be.  It’s serious.  And it’s cute.  And it’s probably endangered.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Please please please vote for someone who cares about the environment.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Who are you? You can’t be serious.</p>
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<p>i shall treasure that always.</p>
<p>who WAS that <strong>Sapphire-vented Puffleg</strong>???</p>
<p>Double dare ya to google it &amp; then click “Images”.  Oh it be.  It’s serious.  And it’s cute.  And it’s probably endangered.</p>
<p>Please please please vote for someone who cares about the environment.</p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;oh dear oh dear.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;may I refer you to #100, this thread?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;it’s a bit long, but it might ease some of your concerns.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;sincerely, A.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh dear oh dear.</p>
<p>may I refer you to #100, this thread?</p>
<p>it’s a bit long, but it might ease some of your concerns.</p>
<p>sincerely, A.</p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Rick,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes.  Well said.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe we can all work together, in our separate corners of this country, and ease a few of those problems on a faster schedule, and maybe not.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We have to try.  Just because it’s the right and just thing to do.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thank you.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick,</p>
<p>Yes.  Well said.</p>
<p>Maybe we can all work together, in our separate corners of this country, and ease a few of those problems on a faster schedule, and maybe not.</p>
<p>We have to try.  Just because it’s the right and just thing to do.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: CanuckStuckinMuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>CanuckStuckinMuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Twain said&lt;br /&gt;
“I don’t disagree with you but what word would you use? That’s part of the difficulty of this subject - using the correct words.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and RevBev said&lt;br /&gt;
“Can you add to your instruction something about acceptable language. Are you saying that the correct manner of conversation is without any “classification”? I am certainly open to a larger explanation beyond what is NOT acceptable.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and paz3 said&lt;br /&gt;
“Surely you can see that there are differences of form among peoples from different regions that are far beyond just skin color. Don’t most all native people from the Indian sub-continent have straight hair? Don’t Australian aborigines have straight hair?”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I readily admit that there is no “correct” or even adequate replacement for the term “race,” if one is determined to refer to a collection of genetically heterogeneous people that have historically been categorized as some “race” or other, for all or part of the history of their relations with people of European descent. My point is that we should be aware that what we understand to be “racial” categorizations are nothing but the invention of racists, based as they are on, for the most part, an oversimplified category of skin color, such as “black” or “white,” neither of which refers to a group with uniform skin color.  If, for example, we refer to “white” people as if it were a homogeneous group, we are manifesting an inherently racist view of the world’s incredibly genetically diverse people. If you want the “correct” word for “them,” try Homo sapiens, or people, or humans. And if you want to use superficial physical characteristics to specify about whom you’re talking, try eye color, or curliness of their hair, or whether or not they have distinct earlobes. Even the most well-meaning progressive will echo paz3’s comment that “Something like how the isolation of human tribes by geography allowed for the derivation of “white” people from our common dark-skinned ancestors in Africa, as the northern isolates (we’re talking 10s of thousands of years here) faded in color due to long dark, cloudy winters, and much colder temperatures.” However this always misses the point that there is no homogeneous portion of the human species with “white” skin–rather, whitish skin color is a continuous spectrum from the almost milky white of some people in the British Isles, through the less whitish people of western Europe, to the definitely un-whitish skin of the people who live in the Caucasus Mountains and who gave their name to the “white” “races.” To sum up, when you describe someone other than yourself as belonging to a particular “race,” you’re falling prey to the racist point of view that permeates your culture.&lt;br /&gt;
In spe.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twain said<br />
“I don’t disagree with you but what word would you use? That’s part of the difficulty of this subject &#8211; using the correct words.”</p>
<p>and RevBev said<br />
“Can you add to your instruction something about acceptable language. Are you saying that the correct manner of conversation is without any “classification”? I am certainly open to a larger explanation beyond what is NOT acceptable.”</p>
<p>and paz3 said<br />
“Surely you can see that there are differences of form among peoples from different regions that are far beyond just skin color. Don’t most all native people from the Indian sub-continent have straight hair? Don’t Australian aborigines have straight hair?”</p>
<p>I readily admit that there is no “correct” or even adequate replacement for the term “race,” if one is determined to refer to a collection of genetically heterogeneous people that have historically been categorized as some “race” or other, for all or part of the history of their relations with people of European descent. My point is that we should be aware that what we understand to be “racial” categorizations are nothing but the invention of racists, based as they are on, for the most part, an oversimplified category of skin color, such as “black” or “white,” neither of which refers to a group with uniform skin color.  If, for example, we refer to “white” people as if it were a homogeneous group, we are manifesting an inherently racist view of the world’s incredibly genetically diverse people. If you want the “correct” word for “them,” try Homo sapiens, or people, or humans. And if you want to use superficial physical characteristics to specify about whom you’re talking, try eye color, or curliness of their hair, or whether or not they have distinct earlobes. Even the most well-meaning progressive will echo paz3’s comment that “Something like how the isolation of human tribes by geography allowed for the derivation of “white” people from our common dark-skinned ancestors in Africa, as the northern isolates (we’re talking 10s of thousands of years here) faded in color due to long dark, cloudy winters, and much colder temperatures.” However this always misses the point that there is no homogeneous portion of the human species with “white” skin–rather, whitish skin color is a continuous spectrum from the almost milky white of some people in the British Isles, through the less whitish people of western Europe, to the definitely un-whitish skin of the people who live in the Caucasus Mountains and who gave their name to the “white” “races.” To sum up, when you describe someone other than yourself as belonging to a particular “race,” you’re falling prey to the racist point of view that permeates your culture.<br />
In spe.</p>
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		<title>By: Rickbrew9x</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rickbrew9x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah. We should let Obama try to fix what Cheney/Bush/The conservatives have screwed up. And you know what is going to happen? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To the extent that Obama can’t fix the unfixable, it will become because he is Black, not because the Republican/conservatives have screwed things up beyond all redemption. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just wait. You will see. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And I’m still a White Texan who graduated from an all white segregated High School who is going to vote for Obama. He won’t win Texas, but he will have coattails that Hillary could never have had, and it a generation and a half, things are really going to start changing. The kids today are better than we ever were. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh, and there will also be a woman President within a generation because women’s advances have followed those of Blacks in America by about half a generation. There is a connection.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah. We should let Obama try to fix what Cheney/Bush/The conservatives have screwed up. And you know what is going to happen? </p>
<p>To the extent that Obama can’t fix the unfixable, it will become because he is Black, not because the Republican/conservatives have screwed things up beyond all redemption. </p>
<p>Just wait. You will see. </p>
<p>And I’m still a White Texan who graduated from an all white segregated High School who is going to vote for Obama. He won’t win Texas, but he will have coattails that Hillary could never have had, and it a generation and a half, things are really going to start changing. The kids today are better than we ever were. </p>
<p>Oh, and there will also be a woman President within a generation because women’s advances have followed those of Blacks in America by about half a generation. There is a connection.</p>
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		<title>By: ekunin</title>
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		<dc:creator>ekunin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Who are you? You can’t be serious. I said I think Obama would be better than McCain and you want a link. I know the election’s not going to be unanimous, but that McCain might win strikes me as a terrible indictment of democracy. Check out Ackerman’s post on Randy Scheunemann a couple posts above this one (sorry I don’t know how to do links) see if that changes your mind.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who are you? You can’t be serious. I said I think Obama would be better than McCain and you want a link. I know the election’s not going to be unanimous, but that McCain might win strikes me as a terrible indictment of democracy. Check out Ackerman’s post on Randy Scheunemann a couple posts above this one (sorry I don’t know how to do links) see if that changes your mind.</p>
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		<title>By: paz3</title>
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		<dc:creator>paz3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m hoping that Obama, who I am voting for, will not only break the racist curse/legacy of the US to some extent, but also govern from near the center so as to get reelected and thus have an impact on Supreme Court appointments. That’s a lot of what’s at stake here, folks. McCain will, if elected, send us a long way further down the road to the implementation of an oligarchy via court appointments, and that’s a sobering thought that ought to grab this poster who opened with “f**k Obama” right in the f**king area. Fast.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m hoping that Obama, who I am voting for, will not only break the racist curse/legacy of the US to some extent, but also govern from near the center so as to get reelected and thus have an impact on Supreme Court appointments. That’s a lot of what’s at stake here, folks. McCain will, if elected, send us a long way further down the road to the implementation of an oligarchy via court appointments, and that’s a sobering thought that ought to grab this poster who opened with “f**k Obama” right in the f**king area. Fast.</p>
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
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		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/12/penn-advised-hillary-not-to-apologize-for-war-vote/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;New Blue Texan post a few flights upstairs&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/12/penn-advised-hillary-not-to-apologize-for-war-vote/" rel="nofollow">New Blue Texan post a few flights upstairs</a></p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;no more like #1, deal?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;hope you &amp; yours are doing well.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;later…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no more like #1, deal?</p>
<p>hope you &amp; yours are doing well.</p>
<p>later…</p>
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