if edward was not in then someone would have taken his place, there was plenty of pragmatic ”since hillary has bagage I want someone with a better chance.of winning”

hillary might have lost by even more if kucinach had the thied spot in the primaries

It’s a little tough to come up with that mythical mathematical advantage when your candidate was almost no one’s second choice in a myriad of polls for months. It’s well enough to throw out some unsupported assertion in the thick of things, but to do this and expect everyone to simply nod their heads and say “oh, well, he probably knows what he’s talking about” when the data suggests otherwise…in spades…is just sad.

whining for dollars and future jobs. rots a ruck

There are two reasons I switched from supporting Hillary to supporting Obama. The first was only Obama was running a campaign which could actually win a presidential election. Hillary’s campaign was the same GOP-lite, bet-it-all-on-Ohio shit which worked so well in 2000 and 2004.

The second–and equaly important–reason was to make sure that Wolfson, Penn, Carville and her other advisors never came near the reigns of power again. There are not people who may make mistakes if given the chance. There are the same people who led the Democratic party to the edge of permanent majority status, and not a single one of them has shown so much as a single fucking iota of ackowledgement that their ideas might be just a little bit wrong. As far as I’m concerned, these guys are no better than Kristol, Broder or any of the other consequence-free blowhards out there who only require solipsism to enact policy.

I know it’s on a sidetrack
but the illustration is, well, classic.

Yeah — the phrase “sore loser” on your resume isn’t exactly a selling point, now is it?

Your disinformation slip is showing.

Oooooo….that’s good.

Speaking of John-boy, good ‘ol Russ Feingold warned us about him. Another reminder to listen to Spinegold.

“I don’t understand how somebody could vote, five or six critical votes, one way in the Senate and then make your campaign the opposite positions,” Feingold said, expanding on comments he made a week ago to the Appleton (Wisconsin) Post-Crescent. “That doesn’t give me confidence that if the person became president that they would continue the kind of policies that they are using in the Democratic primary. I’m more likely to believe what they did in the Senate.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..83225.html

And as the ABC piece points out . . .

Wolfson’s contention is not shared by the Obama campaign, whose officials never bought the argument that Clinton was the second choice of Edwards voters. Immediately after Edwards dropped out of the race at the end of January, Obama won eleven straight contests in a row.

I don’t know if it’s Howard’s disinformation slip, though, Christy. I think he’s just incapable of grasping reality. Even when it hits up on the side of the head like a two-by-four.

My comment was a reply to Christy @ 2.

Preview is my friend . . .

He’s earned the nickname Howard the Dick.

-G

Hear, hear! Hope and trust the Obama White House appreciates Kucinich’s integrity and gives him the respect the party & MS deny him.

Thanks Christy for this fine post on an otherwise cold cloudy Monday morning.

why did obama pick up people from the clinton camp anyways. lose/lose

What are we to do with the Wolfsons and the Penns? Both whores, but at least they were our whores. Can we handle the defection of a couple of vindictive whores to the McCain camp? Come to think of it, maybe Penn and Wolfson would do us some good if they went all Lieberman on us. Me, I’ll stick with Penn & Teller.

Put them in cages on the Mall and invite passersby to throw fruit!

If you mean people from the Clinton administration I think he picked them up because they have information that he does not. They had to learn it from the ground up when Clinton won. If Obama can go in with all that info about how things work BEFORE it’s a real advantage IMO

I had much fun tracking down that particular illustration. It’s a page from my childhood as my granny had that book for me to read at her house…and I have, alas, lost track of where it went in the family because it was one of my faves as a kid.

Some of them are quite good — they aren’t all Penn and Wolfson, you know.

Clearly, I chose mockery… *G*

Aw dammit. Scratch that about listening to Russ:

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=781576

Maybe term limits aren’t such a bad idea after all. Even Russ is compromised now. Ugh.

I’d like to see a scorecard on these strategists

I bet it really makes Republicans squirm to hear one of the most liberal senators praise moldy McOldie.

Apparently, even some of the insiders in Clinton’s camp told Penn and Wolfson to STFU, if the internal memos that Johsua Green at Atlantic got his hands on are a good reflection of the sentiments — one top aide told them to cut the circular firing squad crap. *g* Well, I guess the question is (a) who is leaking all these memos and (b) for who is this supposed to be payback and why?

Wolfson sounds like a little kid saying “I didn’t do it. They did it.” He needs to grow up and take that responsibiity we are always talking about. His problem is he is unemployed – ha ha.

I’d like to see a dung heap on these strategists

Olympic Campaign Strategery (two person division) – Wolfson/Penn:

3.0
3.5
3.5
9.5
4.0
4.0
3.5

(The 9.5 is from the RedState judge.)

If you mean people from the Clinton administration I think he picked them up because they have information that he does not. They had to learn it from the ground up when Clinton won

You have to have advisors who actually know how the government works.The only way to have that particualr, boots on the ground, knowledge is to have actually served in the government. There aren’t too many Carter people around and the former Clinton Admin folks have the most up to date knowledge available to Obama.

And queue the irony meter — Bob Shrum comments on reports of infighting in the Clinton campaign. Too bad Shrum has no apparent understanding of why that’s ironic…

Should have been “cue.” Arrrgh…preview is my friend, too…

mweee heeee, Peterr — good one

My BS meter tells me that Shrum hasn’t a clue about anything. How he got to be “important” is beyond me.

This is OT but is Bob Kerrey now campaigning for McCain. As a former Hillary supporter, I understand his disappointment, but wtf.

small wonder accountability is “off the table.” so much for change.

Hoping for a Veep nod?

Please, no.

Why are these memos in the public realm? Is this a PUMA thing?

The rightwing talk radio station in Chicago (WLS) has been pimping this angle for several days now. I think they’re trying to sow discord.

Sally Quinn weighs in with some puss talk: “I just want to smack [Edwards] across the puss, as my Savannah-born mother used to say. I want to smack him across that pretty puss, those pretty eyelashes, that pretty hair. I want to shake him and knock his pretty head against the wall.” Yes, that’s in her “a conversation on religion” blog.

It’s okay when SALLY QUINN does it with Ben Bradlee, because Bradlee was separated from his wife, supposedly. But Sally was also cheating on her live-in boyfriend, journalist Warren Hoge. Oh, the humanity.

http://www.salon.com/media/1998/03/09media.html

Have been trying to figure that out myself. If I had to guess, I’d say someone felt like they were about to be scapegoated for someone else’s failures and decided to take a first strike at that before it got deployed on them. But it’s just a guess. And no, I don’t have a particular name in mind at this point.

He married a socialite and immediately became a star on the cocktail party circuit…..

goes straight into the
“You Can’t Make This Sh*t Up” folder

I think there is definitely some sour grapes spoil the waters from both penn and Wolfson, who are on the outside of party confabs these days, having poisoned the well, so to speak, all by themselves with this type of antics. But whether it stays poisoned or not is anyone’s guess. Then again, Shrum had to resort to teevee commentary since no one would hire him as a consultant after the last fiasco. Come to think of it, that’s what Wolfson is doing at the moment as well…

Doesn’t it feel like we are all trapped in some sort of “Truman Show” version of “The Onion Live”?

If nothing else it would make for some truly craptastical ads to mock…

There you go – works every time. You can be dumb as a stump and get ahead with money and connections. Like McC.

And Luke Russert. Can’t wait to hear Would rather gouge out my ears than listen to his reporting on the youth vote at the Convention.

Would help if he changed this hair. What is it with that combing it all forward? Is he going bald already? Looks strange.

What?

No taste for grapes?..I have no taste for Republican antisocial racists but they keep showing up on the menu…and McWar commercials.

Do you like your new condo and how long do your plan to stay?

Apparently Kerrey was pimping the “Obama went to Muslim schools” thing a few months ago?

[Mod Note; Comment edited by Moderator. Please do not suggest violence or harm on others. Thank you.]

Need I say that Wolfson’s comments are being given heavy rotation on FOX this afternoon?

I just saw it for the first time. Beautiful view of the skyline and the Pacific beyond. The condo is small, but nice. Standing on the balcony (28th floor) gives me the heeby jeebies…

I go home the 16th. I will rent it out until I retire.

Apparently Kerrey was pimping the “Obama went to Muslim schools” thing a few months ago? [Edited by Mod: Second reminder that advocating violence, even as a joke, is not allowed, thanks]

Sounds beautiful. High floors give me the willies,too.
Have a great time.

The Wolfson = the stupid.

Oh, Howard, go back to your pals at Faux News. Your disinformation slip is showing.

And take Mark Penn with you, while you are at it. I suppose it’s a mere coincidence that the very advice Penn gave the Clinton camp on how to destroy Obama during the primary somehow made it’s way into the hands of McCain’s campaign folks…and that Penn and Charlie Black just happen to have worked together for years. Yeppers.  Just a coinkydink, I’m sure.  Sullivan has more.

Wow — I’d forgot that Mark Penn and Charlie “Cofer” Black are old stablemates. That explains a lot, doesn’t it? How PUMA of them.

Yes — I hadn’t forgotten that one. Although Black took a leave of absence to tra la along on the Sweet Talk Express once his lobbying from the back of the bus got exposed. But what are the odds that he and his partner, Mark Penn, are no longer on speaking terms since they both still have a profit interest in their firm? Hmmmm?

New post from Jane

Are you freaking kidding me with this: “I suppose it’s a mere coincidence that the very advice Penn gave the Clinton camp on how to destroy Obama during the primary somehow made it’s way into the hands of McCain’s campaign folks..”

Oh yes, the GOP needs so much freaking help to smear Democrats, they’re just too honest to think of this on their own. Nope, they never would have arrived at that strategy when running against an African American man with a funny name. It must be the evil Mark Penn’s fault. Spare me (and no, this is not a defense of Mark Penn. It’s a criticism of this silly, baseless point).

Hey, I wuz serious <8D