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		<title>By: ThingsComeUndone</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/11/late-late-nite-fdl-hyperbolicsyllabicsesquedalymistic/#comment-1577361</link>
		<dc:creator>ThingsComeUndone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Agreed we need all studies and polls to publish their methods and use of Statistics this lying with numbers stuff is getting cheezy the lies are not even believable.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: prostratedragon</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh, and one more:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfTNt4CtkhQ&amp;feature=related&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Never Can Say Good-bye&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and one more:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfTNt4CtkhQ&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">Never Can Say Good-bye</a></p>
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		<title>By: prostratedragon</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What really got me about that article, aside from the appalling ignorance of basic facts that have been known by the most casually interested for about 60 years, was the presentation of reasons why Pakistan might rationally choose to hedge against our acting against their interests, e.g. the recent general tilt toward India, the nuclear co-operation compact with them, India’s development of strategic trade assets in US-supported Afghanistan that wuold cut Pakistan out, and potentially provide an incentive or opportunity for India to try to control Pakistan, &lt;i&gt;combined&lt;/i&gt; with that same obliviousness of officials in the USG to their role in creating these conditions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Add to that what they might see as our importuning about things that matter more to us than to them, or that have a much higher cost in stability to them than they do in immediate threat to us (the cavalier way in which US appear to have broken up some ongoing intel operations, a matter on which the ISI is better-informed than we are, has got to play a role in their perceptions here), whether they’re justified about feeling this way or not, and it’s possible to see how they could feel more that they’re being expected to capitulate than that they’re either being bargained with or confronted with a transparently legitimate request.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wonder whether the Pakistanis might have been more willing to risk a nuanced view of even the exact same set of facts if we had not gone clodhopping into Iraq.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What really got me about that article, aside from the appalling ignorance of basic facts that have been known by the most casually interested for about 60 years, was the presentation of reasons why Pakistan might rationally choose to hedge against our acting against their interests, e.g. the recent general tilt toward India, the nuclear co-operation compact with them, India’s development of strategic trade assets in US-supported Afghanistan that wuold cut Pakistan out, and potentially provide an incentive or opportunity for India to try to control Pakistan, <i>combined</i> with that same obliviousness of officials in the USG to their role in creating these conditions.</p>
<p>Add to that what they might see as our importuning about things that matter more to us than to them, or that have a much higher cost in stability to them than they do in immediate threat to us (the cavalier way in which US appear to have broken up some ongoing intel operations, a matter on which the ISI is better-informed than we are, has got to play a role in their perceptions here), whether they’re justified about feeling this way or not, and it’s possible to see how they could feel more that they’re being expected to capitulate than that they’re either being bargained with or confronted with a transparently legitimate request.</p>
<p>I wonder whether the Pakistanis might have been more willing to risk a nuanced view of even the exact same set of facts if we had not gone clodhopping into Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: wigwam</title>
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		<dc:creator>wigwam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;IMHO, as the denominator in their affordability index, they should use per-worker discretionary income rather than per-family raw income.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: ThingsComeUndone</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThingsComeUndone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As America slips deeper into economic reality, you aren’t going to see a peak unemployment rate of 33% as we did during the Great Depression, just like we aren’t going to see the banks close their doors. But that does not mean the effects won’t be equally devastating. Rather than 33% unemployment, we are likely to see 12% unemployment in the coming years, and 40 or even 50% underemployment.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But Washington will hide the data as much as it can by introducing new tricks and playing new games. And while the FDIC insures bank accounts up to $100,000, the real question won’t be whether you’ll be able to withdrawal your money, but what it will buy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://seekingalpha.com/article/90435-employment-data-washington-is-playing-games&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://seekingalpha.com/articl.....ying-games&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As America slips deeper into economic reality, you aren’t going to see a peak unemployment rate of 33% as we did during the Great Depression, just like we aren’t going to see the banks close their doors. But that does not mean the effects won’t be equally devastating. Rather than 33% unemployment, we are likely to see 12% unemployment in the coming years, and 40 or even 50% underemployment.</p>
<p>But Washington will hide the data as much as it can by introducing new tricks and playing new games. And while the FDIC insures bank accounts up to $100,000, the real question won’t be whether you’ll be able to withdrawal your money, but what it will buy.</p>
<p><a href="http://seekingalpha.com/article/90435-employment-data-washington-is-playing-games" rel="nofollow">http://seekingalpha.com/articl&#8230;..ying-games</a></p>
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		<title>By: TheLurkingMod</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Attaturk is upstairs!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/12/dont-kill-yourself-getting-back-here/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Don’t kill yourself getting back here&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attaturk is upstairs!<br /><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/12/dont-kill-yourself-getting-back-here/" rel="nofollow">Don’t kill yourself getting back here</a></p>
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		<title>By: ThingsComeUndone</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThingsComeUndone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What I do know is that my grandfather made enough to keep him and his 3 kids fed despite coming from Mexico, learning English and working manual labor construction jobs.&lt;br /&gt;
    Today a lot of Citizens can’t make enough to so both parents have to work.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I do know is that my grandfather made enough to keep him and his 3 kids fed despite coming from Mexico, learning English and working manual labor construction jobs.<br />
    Today a lot of Citizens can’t make enough to so both parents have to work.</p>
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		<title>By: ThingsComeUndone</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThingsComeUndone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good point we need options like husbands or wives getting paid more I don’t care who that and alimony and child support needs to be enforced better.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point we need options like husbands or wives getting paid more I don’t care who that and alimony and child support needs to be enforced better.</p>
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		<title>By: bigbrother</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigbrother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkosOU2fmvE&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkosOU2fmvE&lt;/a&gt; Isaas: Hyperbolicsyllabicsesquedalymistic He was a buffed puppy with maartial arts topped with musical talent anf a nice guy RIP Mr. Hayes many thanks for the moments. And to ES for the fine podt.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkosOU2fmvE" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkosOU2fmvE</a> Isaas: Hyperbolicsyllabicsesquedalymistic He was a buffed puppy with maartial arts topped with musical talent anf a nice guy RIP Mr. Hayes many thanks for the moments. And to ES for the fine podt.</p>
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		<title>By: ThingsComeUndone</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThingsComeUndone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;When is the Lake getting Diaries? I was saving this for the Diary or Al the Spook’s new blog he seemed to like it but he’s been distracted with his Father dying. Anyway            Does Dick Cheney watch the passion of the Christ and take notes? Or does he do a Pee Wee Herman? Trick Question the Answer is that  he does both after all  he has two hands and a Really Compartmentalized Mind.&lt;br /&gt;
      But seriously when are we going to stop torture? If not us then who?  If not now when? If the Democrats won’t do anything to stop torture when they have control of the House and Senate can we trust  Obama  to do the Right Thing  on torture after he messed up a no brainer like FISA?&lt;br /&gt;
       Everybody talks about God when they run for President, Bush even talks to him. Or does he…somehow I think that after being Crucified that torture would be VERY HIGH on Christ’s list of things that were No Nos.&lt;br /&gt;
     Looking back at history I wonder if the Englishman who lit the fire under Joan of Arc said that My god is bigger than the French God?   Just like Lt Gen Boykin said&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;An American newspaper found him addressing church congregations wearing his uniform.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He told audiences that terrorists hated America because it was a nation of Christian believers and that the enemy in the war on terrorism was Satan.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Muslim ‘Idol’&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In one speech, he recalled a Muslim fighter in Somalia who said he had the protection of Allah against US forces.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Well you know what I knew, that my God was bigger than his,” said Lt Gen Boykin. “I knew that my God was a real God, and his was an idol.” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;.http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3199212.stm&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;From 1978-1993 Boykin was assigned in various capacities to Delta Force. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Most recruits come from the United States Army Special Forces (the Green Berets) and the 75th Ranger Regiment. Not just anyone can become a Delta operator; personnel must be male, in the rank of Sergeant (E-5) or above and attend a Delta briefing to even be considered for admission. Since the 1990s, the Army has posted recruitment notices for the 1st SFOD-D [5], which many believe refers to Delta Force. The Army, however, has never released an official fact sheet for the force. The recruitment notices placed in Fort Bragg’s newspaper, Paraglide, refer to Delta Force by name, and label it “…the Department of Defense’s highest priority unit…” [6]. The notice states that all applicants must be males, 22 years or older, have a general technical score of 110 or higher, and be in the ranks of E-5 through E-8, with at least four and a half years in service.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Such recruits are men with skills such as proficiency in a foreign language or other desirable traits. The selection process is based on the UK SAS model [7][8]. The selection course begins with standard tests including: push-ups, sit-ups, and a three mile run. The recruits are then put through a series of land navigation courses to include an eighteen-mile, all-night land navigation course while carrying a thirty-five pound rucksack. The rucksack’s weight and the distance of the courses are increased and the time standards to complete the task are shortened with every march. The physical testing ends with a forty-mile march with a forty-five pound rucksack over very rough terrain which must be completed in an unknown amount of time. It is said that only the highest-ranking members of the Pentagon are allowed to see the set time limits, but all assessment and selection tasks and conditions are set by Delta training cadre.[8][2] The mental portion of the testing begins with numerous psychological exams. The men then speak to the commander of Delta and others within the unit. If an individual is selected for Delta, then a 6 month training cycle/probation begins, starting with firearms accuracy and training with other types of munitions.[2]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Force&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Force&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My bold: You would think that multiculteralism would be encouraged in the Special Forces after all as Sun Tze says &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sun_Tzu&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sun_Tzu&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In all Fairness Eric Haney, a retired command sergeant major of the U.S. Army, was a founding member of Delta Force, the military’s elite covert counter-terrorist unit.&lt;br /&gt;
 he is against the war here is his view on torture.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A: (Interrupting) That’s Cheney’s pursuit. The only reason anyone tortures is because they like to do it. It’s about vengeance, it’s about revenge, or it’s about cover-up. You don’t gain intelligence that way. Everyone in the world knows that. It’s worse than small-minded, and look what it does.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve argued this on Bill O’Reilly and other Fox News shows. I ask, who would you want to pay to be a torturer? Do you want someone that the American public pays to torture? He’s an employee of yours. It’s worse than ridiculous. It’s criminal; it’s utterly criminal. This administration has been masters of diverting attention away from real issues and debating the silly. Debating what constitutes torture: Mistreatment of helpless people in your power is torture, period. And (I’m saying this as) a man who has been involved in the most pointed of our activities. I know it, and all of my mates know it. You don’t do it. It’s an act of cowardice. I hear apologists for torture say, “Well, they do it to us.” Which is a ludicrous argument. … The Saddam Husseins of the world are not our teachers. Christ almighty, we wrote a Constitution saying what’s legal and what we believed in. Now we’re going to throw it away.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://truthaboveall.blogspot.com/2006/03/delta-force-founder-says-iraq-is.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://truthaboveall.blogspot......aq-is.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When is the Lake getting Diaries? I was saving this for the Diary or Al the Spook’s new blog he seemed to like it but he’s been distracted with his Father dying. Anyway            Does Dick Cheney watch the passion of the Christ and take notes? Or does he do a Pee Wee Herman? Trick Question the Answer is that  he does both after all  he has two hands and a Really Compartmentalized Mind.<br />
      But seriously when are we going to stop torture? If not us then who?  If not now when? If the Democrats won’t do anything to stop torture when they have control of the House and Senate can we trust  Obama  to do the Right Thing  on torture after he messed up a no brainer like FISA?<br />
       Everybody talks about God when they run for President, Bush even talks to him. Or does he…somehow I think that after being Crucified that torture would be VERY HIGH on Christ’s list of things that were No Nos.<br />
     Looking back at history I wonder if the Englishman who lit the fire under Joan of Arc said that My god is bigger than the French God?   Just like Lt Gen Boykin said</p>
<p>An American newspaper found him addressing church congregations wearing his uniform.</p>
<p>He told audiences that terrorists hated America because it was a nation of Christian believers and that the enemy in the war on terrorism was Satan.</p>
<p>Muslim ‘Idol’</p>
<p>In one speech, he recalled a Muslim fighter in Somalia who said he had the protection of Allah against US forces.</p>
<p>“Well you know what I knew, that my God was bigger than his,” said Lt Gen Boykin. “I knew that my God was a real God, and his was an idol.” </p>
<p>.<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3199212.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3199212.stm</a></p>
<p>From 1978-1993 Boykin was assigned in various capacities to Delta Force. </p>
<p>Most recruits come from the United States Army Special Forces (the Green Berets) and the 75th Ranger Regiment. Not just anyone can become a Delta operator; personnel must be male, in the rank of Sergeant (E-5) or above and attend a Delta briefing to even be considered for admission. Since the 1990s, the Army has posted recruitment notices for the 1st SFOD-D [5], which many believe refers to Delta Force. The Army, however, has never released an official fact sheet for the force. The recruitment notices placed in Fort Bragg’s newspaper, Paraglide, refer to Delta Force by name, and label it “…the Department of Defense’s highest priority unit…” [6]. The notice states that all applicants must be males, 22 years or older, have a general technical score of 110 or higher, and be in the ranks of E-5 through E-8, with at least four and a half years in service.</p>
<p>Such recruits are men with skills such as proficiency in a foreign language or other desirable traits. The selection process is based on the UK SAS model [7][8]. The selection course begins with standard tests including: push-ups, sit-ups, and a three mile run. The recruits are then put through a series of land navigation courses to include an eighteen-mile, all-night land navigation course while carrying a thirty-five pound rucksack. The rucksack’s weight and the distance of the courses are increased and the time standards to complete the task are shortened with every march. The physical testing ends with a forty-mile march with a forty-five pound rucksack over very rough terrain which must be completed in an unknown amount of time. It is said that only the highest-ranking members of the Pentagon are allowed to see the set time limits, but all assessment and selection tasks and conditions are set by Delta training cadre.[8][2] The mental portion of the testing begins with numerous psychological exams. The men then speak to the commander of Delta and others within the unit. If an individual is selected for Delta, then a 6 month training cycle/probation begins, starting with firearms accuracy and training with other types of munitions.[2]</p>
<p>    <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Force" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Force</a></p>
<p>My bold: You would think that multiculteralism would be encouraged in the Special Forces after all as Sun Tze says </p>
<p>It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sun_Tzu" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sun_Tzu</a></p>
<p>In all Fairness Eric Haney, a retired command sergeant major of the U.S. Army, was a founding member of Delta Force, the military’s elite covert counter-terrorist unit.<br />
 he is against the war here is his view on torture.</p>
<p>A: (Interrupting) That’s Cheney’s pursuit. The only reason anyone tortures is because they like to do it. It’s about vengeance, it’s about revenge, or it’s about cover-up. You don’t gain intelligence that way. Everyone in the world knows that. It’s worse than small-minded, and look what it does.</p>
<p>I’ve argued this on Bill O’Reilly and other Fox News shows. I ask, who would you want to pay to be a torturer? Do you want someone that the American public pays to torture? He’s an employee of yours. It’s worse than ridiculous. It’s criminal; it’s utterly criminal. This administration has been masters of diverting attention away from real issues and debating the silly. Debating what constitutes torture: Mistreatment of helpless people in your power is torture, period. And (I’m saying this as) a man who has been involved in the most pointed of our activities. I know it, and all of my mates know it. You don’t do it. It’s an act of cowardice. I hear apologists for torture say, “Well, they do it to us.” Which is a ludicrous argument. … The Saddam Husseins of the world are not our teachers. Christ almighty, we wrote a Constitution saying what’s legal and what we believed in. Now we’re going to throw it away.</p>
<p><a href="http://truthaboveall.blogspot.com/2006/03/delta-force-founder-says-iraq-is.html" rel="nofollow">http://truthaboveall.blogspot&#8230;&#8230;aq-is.html</a></p>
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