It’s late afternoon, at a window booth in a small diner in Rutherford, New Jersey. Around 1961 or ‘62. An older man with short white hair that is still somehow tousled let’s his face slip back and forth, his expressions alternating like a cracker jack toy between interest and confusion. He gazes over his coffee at the young, mysterious stranger who wanted to meet a famous poet.
"What then shall be seen in America?" William Carlos Williams asked.
"You’re invisible now you got no secrets to conceal," Bob Dylan answered.
This perplexes the old poet. No, he’s not confused by the comment, just curious, all over again, at the national disrobing the brash young man described. Williams had watched and listened for more than half a century as America decided to go public, all out there on the radio, then the television and the satellites. But he remembers, too, that there is
No one
to witness
and adjust, no one to drive the car
Williams really asked this question, what shall be seen in America? Not of Dylan, of course. The above is fiction. Sort of. But he asked it of another friend. The question’s a fair one for a writer who was also a physician, a real doctor administering to the flesh and blood and psychic grievances of the "devil-may-care men" and the "young slatterns" of New Jersey.
What restorative could be found among the natural things and the ideas in the things of America?
On any given evening the country is full of marketing wizards haunting the malls, pulling people into groups of a dozen or so behind doors that don’t lead to stores but to conference rooms. There these innocent passersby are asked probing questions about their likes and dislikes. There’s a theory, or there should be a theory, that this ritual is the true origin of all alien abduction stories.
But it’s just a focus group. Sometimes the groups are held in office buildings or hotels. Participants are recruited by phone, paid a small sum and a smaller dinner.
It’s the way we do our politics, too, all of the consultants and opinion researchers quite certain they are keeping careful and accurate tabs on America’s soul. It’s got no secrets, that’s right. Learning all our non-secrets, they’ll concoct secret strategies to tell them back to us. Since there are no secrets, their hope is they can tell the non-secret stories better than their opponents can.
These cocky advertising and marketing magicians are sober behind the wheel, witnessing it all. But what is it they are witnessing really but the virtual confirmation of their own naked ambitions? They’re not seers. Just more of the seen.
I don’t want to think this is true, and I’m proposing we find a way to argue with it. American composer Michael Pisaro wrote that Dylan’s 1965 release of "Like a Rolling Stone," which declared the end of secrets, "seems to have been the last moment in American history when the country might have changed, in a fundamental way, for the better."
Pisaro’s observation, made in a letter to the brilliant cultural critic Greil Marcus and quoted in Marcus’ book, Like a Rolling Stone: Bob Dylan at the Crossroads,continues:
…like a Geiger counter developing a will of its own, [the song] wavers between trying to record the coming quake and trying to make it happen. This is where the song stakes its claim on eternity.
I was twelve in 1965, so I can’t be convicted. I was playing catch in a friend’s front yard when my older brother came around and told me I needed to hear this (45 rpm) record. It was "Like a Rolling Stone." No one’s selling any alibis, but I have one. Anyway, this wavering between recording and making history sure sounds like my generation’s escapade of hope turned to confusing ambivalence. We thought we would make history, then, after Vietnam, Kent State, Watergate, the first Oil Embargo and the Nixon pardon, many of us decided we’d rather consume history than make it.
History, it seems, requires secrets and is unsettling to dreams.
Novelist Russell Banks, in his new, wonderful essay on our country, Dreaming Up America, writes that there’s not one American Dream but many. He details three:
There was El Dorado, the City of Gold that Cortez and Pizarro dreamed of finding. And then there was Ponce de Leon’s dream of the Fountain of Youth, where you could start life over again, and the New England Puritan dream of God’s Protestant utopian City on a Hill, the New Jerusalem…The Dream of the Fountain of Youth may yet prove to be the strongest of the three, since it carries within it the sense of the new, the dream of starting over, of having a New Life. It’s essentially the dream of being a child again, and it’s the dream that persists more strongly than the other two and is today perhaps the most vivid of the three.
Williams told a story once about Ponce de Leon and the Fountain of Youth. It’s in his book, In the American Grain, in the chapter, "The Fountain of Eternal Youth." It begins like this:
History, history! We fools, what do we know or care? History begins for us with murder and enslavement, not with discovery. No, we are not Indians but we are men of their world. The blood means nothing; the spirit, the ghost of the land moves in the blood, moves the blood.
Williams writes that our bloody past lives on in us, not as some abstract guilt, but as flesh and blood.
Men who do not know what lives, are themselves dead. In the heart there are living Indians once slaughtered and defrauded-Indians that live also in subtler ways…
Bending the river of history only slightly, Williams tells of Ponce de Leon gullibly believing a tall tale told to him by one of his slaves, a native woman of Puerto Rico. She spoke of a spring of eternal youth, located on a magical island called Bimini. Off Ponce went. He came ashore at Florida, but this time:
…the Yamasses put an arrow into his thigh at the first landing-and let out his fountain. They flocked to the beach, jeered him as he was lifted to the shoulders of his men and carried away. Dead.
Ponce died, but not the dream. You can visit the Fountain of Youth National Archeological Park in St. Augustin, Florida even today. The tourist attraction was established by Diamond Lil, or Luella Day McConnel, in 1904, who had come to Florida after being cured of gold rush fever in Alaska. Like Williams, Lil was a physician. She’d trained in Baltimore.
Williams’ gruesome story makes the moment of "Like a Rolling Stone even more tragic, if Michael Pisaro is right. Because another way to make Pisaro’s point about the lost opportunity of 1965 is to say that Dylan could feel a brief lightening in the blood, as if the ghosts of our murderous past offered pardon. The feeling was freedom, like a rolling stone.
But I’m not certain the opportunity of that time is lost. It was another verse of Dylan’s song that made me think of it.
Ain’t it hard when you discover that
He really wasn’t where it’s at
After he took from you everything he could steal
We are back in that place. Or a very similar place. Maybe we never left. Maybe it’s cyclical. I don’t know. Is this just another dream of eternal youth? I don’t think so.
What I’m suggesting is that we ask ourselves the question William Carlos Williams asked. "What then shall be seen in America?" We should not settle for our naked neighbors. We should look hard for the natural things and the ideas in the things of America. Imagination, not ideology.
Don’t listen to the sophisticates tell you you’re being romantic. They will not think that when the arrow hits their thigh. You are the seer in this game. So kiss like one. This is all a way of saying we must seize the day politically, even a chance at greater glory might depend upon that simple achievement. But we can’t forget the deeper truths of our own blood. We have nothing to lose but our ghosts. And they will not let us be until the least among us is free.
This is an exhilarating and frightening election year. But we could win this election and still miss the main chance. As Ponce de Leon said, we aren’t getting any younger.
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All yours.
But Glenn! You haven’t yet seen the guy who moved in upstairs from me! Wouldn’t mind seeing him naked. :)
What code am I not breaking?
I meant don’t just stop on the landing….
Ohh! Go all the way INTO his apartment?
some of the less mature firepups compete over who makes the first comment on a new thread. i have won twice this morning!
1st post in the thread.
That’s the spirit of the thing.
and that looks good on
resume…
some of the less mature firepups compete over who makes the first comment on a new thread.
“Present.”
Less mature? That takes years of practice and experience.
Dang, hit the wrong icon there. Should have been italics. I’m going back to bed.
Thanks. And congrats on the gold and silver…
so-so silver and shameful bronze
I must be missing out on all the fun.
Now he worships at an altar of a stagnant pool
And when he sees his reflection, he’s fulfilled
Oh, man is opposed to fair play
He wants it all and he wants it his way.
That’s the way it is in this bitch of a country.
Who can now see a butterfly and not imagine the “butterfly effect?”
We cannot give in to cynicism. We must act. Whether it is to check our tire pressure weekly or grow a tomato, recycle and re-use, keep our spirit positive. Smile, be kind and think. Knock on doors, meet our neighbors. Engage.
A crackerjack of a post, Glenn! And thanks.
I don’t recall who it was that said this:
I saw that on the DVD about Dylan, No Direction Home.
Just so.
Thanks! Just wish I’d been in that diner I made up with Dylan and WCW.
At 12? Wouldn’t have appreciated it.
And I’d have liked Louis Zukofsky, William Bronk, and Charles Reznikoff to have been at that table as well. What a grouping that would have been. Just imaging what they might have said is exhilirating.
1,730 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Glenn W. Smith and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Wonderful post…I hope we see many more from you on the front page durin’ the week too!
We are in fact at the end of a history…the end of the “modern age”, the end of corporate history and at a new moment out of time for humanity and our planet. This election period is all of the above, and I personally find it harder to be exhilarated than scared to fuckin’ death…but I’m old enough ta understand that we all end up in the same dustbin, so I’m less fearful about my own fate and more morose about whatever responsibility I have for the quality of life of my children and grandchildren.
So let’s not be afraid anymore…who wants ta live forever anyway…let’s jest kicK ass and…
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION…LETS MAKE SOME NOISE ON THE WAY OUT!!!
I’m not sure you can hear that song and not appreciate it. I agree with Greil Marcus about that. Even at age 12. Doesn’t mean I knew why or what. But, like T.S. Eliot said, good poetry communicates before it’s understood.
More coffee, please. Wow.
Obviously, Norske, you have not learned to full appreciate our corporate overloads.
You seem to like words, and destroying them, too. So here’s your word of the day, Norske:
shibboleths
Your points, such as I can discern them, would be better served if your expressed them better. This point has been advanced on these boards by others, as well.
I am reflecting back on the “genre” orientation you wrote about last week. I think Obama has a sense of this, and I hope that some of what he is saying is moving across the genre barrier. It requires some trust on our part, and I am suspending my disbelief in him this cycle.
I do think that there is truth to his suggestion that he is a symbol, he is the stand-in for the hope that remains or is being born again after the dismal planet that is the legacy of W.
I noticed it yesterday at an annual folk art fair in our neighborhood. There was one woman who made bags with Obama’s face/icon on them. She sold out immediately. She was flabbergasted.
The image seems to be part of the zeitgeist, as it were. People are excited. Or at least the folks in the folk art genre. . .a new generation, and they are having children. It is inspiring that there are lots of people who are not moving in the total consumer wave, pushing against that tide.
Glenn, you make a good point. How do we keep people involved in the process after November, when the natural tendency is to disengage, particularly after such a long, grueling election cycle? Even IF (heaven forbid) the other party should win? Regardless of the outcome, people must demand more of our government than we what have become accustomed to.
Hah! I just roasted a batch this morning, and I would be delighted to host you, Glenn. Marion and I have teased about opening a coffee shop, what with the delicious baked goods prepared each early morning for Firepups.
Citizen cleanth:
Jesus, get over yourself…there isn’t really very much there anyway…I”m sure I ain’t the first ta tell ya that though.
Why don’tcha look up the word “democracy” and then figure out where you fit.
Jesus, fall semester must not’ve started for you yet…find sumpthin ta do with yerself until they call ya back ta Philosophy 101.
I agree. Obama is crossing genre boundaries, consciously challenging old habits of thought and division. And I think he does symbolize something like a shaking off of constraints, and opening of genre communities. People can applaud and participate, and we may never know all the small and larger barriers that might come down…
Norske, my title is actually “Distinguished Professor Emeritus”, so it’s been quite a while since Philosophy 101.
I’m leaving the house now, so you need not make a flame.
Fact is, Norske, what do you suppose your interlocutors must think of such ill-expressed posts as you make? Are not your points deserving of being better expressed? I think that your heart is probably in a good place, but as for your head, do you forget to let out the clutch?
Zactly.
Who, sir, do you think you are?
We get deeply involved in life, in our community and the world, and life doesn’t organize itself into election cycles. So that just becomes one of the things we do. And we don’t stop, when or lose a particular election. The more people focus upon the larger vision, upon the greater goals, the less demoralized they’ll become at a setback, and the less self-congratulating they’ll be with a victory.
Why Mary, same as you: another contributor to FDL. You and I have exchanged pleasant messages before. I have enjoyed your feisty attitude. And you know how to write well, too, so that we can take your points.
There is a lot of cynicism in the zeitgeist too. I don’t know why I find it important to fight back, but I know if I give up, I am finished.
I have been knocking on doors for the last month. It is the best political work I know, besides outright organizing. If they don’t come, we have to go to them. People are overwhelmed. Hope is not worth much, but it is about all we have. . .
Just a friendly reminder. In the comments here at Firedoglake, spirited discussion is encouraged. However, insulting other commenters is not allowed.
Thank you.
I wonder what we do know about our fellow citizens. Polling questions require people to put an answer out there, which may be even before they know for sure what they think. Focus groups, unless really well led, can be taken over by an opinionated person, who crystalizes views that were not fixed coming into the meeting.
This makes it easier for spinmeisters to work. They think only the things they are paid to think. This makes it possible for them to be thought leaders: they act without the need for actual cogency, while the rest of us work out the situation, criticize their nonsense and lose because it takes us longer.
bgrothus said:
Emily Dickinson:
Citizen bgrothus:
“…I hope that some of what he is saying is moving accross the genre barrier. It requires some trust on our part, and I am suspending my disbelief in him this cycle.”
Jeez, what a nice way ta express puttin’ faith in sumpthin’ or someone of which or whom ya can’t quite convince yerself…thanx, ‘cuz that’s what I’m gunna do now…
It will also help if the leadership (assuming the good guy wins) continues to encourage ordinary citizens to play a role. It will be quite a change after 8 years of being told to forget the war (and executive abuse of power) and go shopping.
Well that’s a great idea but I still have the late night snacks concession!
Citizen cleanth:
Emily Dickenson also said:
“I’m nobody who are you are you nobody too…”
Perfect, Emily’s a good place ta start ta find yerplace with everyone else in the horizontal world of democracy.
I can’t believe we’ve been reduce to “hope.”
hope, that works out for ya.
With pleasure! Marion and could, perhaps, do the earliest morning as Marion has done so well and enticingly for so long now. And I’d be delighted to taste your goodies, especially as I am a night owl now I’m retired. Late Night FDL is a must-see in my routine, such as I have a routine ;-)
So…not horning in on your well-catered-for territory, Betsy!
NF, what I trust the most about Obama is his equilibrium. I believe he has an extraordinary ability to keep his cool, that he will not be thrown off by the crap that is produced on the other side in quantity. I don’t care if he doesn’t have certain experience, that he will keep his head through the campaign and beyond.
Watching W in China is just a reminder of the juvenile behavior that has been the stand in for our “head of state” for these last miserable years.
I am willing to suspend my cynicism for any improvement of that.
McSame, not so much.
Citizen marymccurnin:
Thanx Sister mary but don’t get worked up over Citizen cleanth…academic polemic is jest a “genre” of bullshit…it’s always fun ta watch some of ‘em when they finally figure out that their bullshit stinks jest like the rest of ours does.
OK, Norske, here is what Dickinson wrote:
Her poem does not serve the uses to which you are seeking to put it.
And now, I am leaving the house. Funny thing, my MLA group is meetinig this afternoon, of all things.
Did you see the series of pictures of W in China at Huff Post last night? May still be there. He is about 5 years old mentally but there is one picture where he looks as if he is about to grab the a** of a female volleyball player who is very scantily clad.
What have you got?
When you’re 5 you can get away with that…
Citizen cleanth:
Jesus, exactly: “there’s a pair of us, don’t tell they’d banish us you know how dreary to be somebody how public like a frog…”
Welcome to the swamp Professor frog.
nothing
One can also view these pictures at the irrepressible http://whateveritisimagainstit.blogspot.com/
I think your questions are on the right path. The problem with opinion research methodology, well, two of the problems, are its superficiality and artificiality. Questions are over-determined because they are aimed toward tactical ends. Where are people today on x…? That sort of thing. Respondents are automatically in artificial settings by virtue of becoming respondents in the first place.
Life is just so much deeper, messier, sexier, more dangerous and more complex than gets captured by these practices. Then we run the risk of believing the two-dimensional snapshot is us, and it becomes an endless regress. No secrets, indeed.
Well, at base, I have health. That is huge, for me. When I also have a blue sky/sun, I am grateful. These are what some might call blessings. In that sense, I am blessed.
I have also a pile of loss. This gives me renewed purpose for the effort to live and try to make some kind of difference, for the better (as I see it), in how I spend my days.
Hope is not much. But I do hope to make something better hour by hour. Mostly, I work with my hands.
I was 14 in 65, and remember listening to Rolling Stone, the AM radio edition(cut to under 3:00). We made fun of Dylans nasal(especially on a transistor)sound, compared to Beach Boys and Motown. But he did infect me, it just took a while to incubate.
There is tremendous wisdom in your reply. Perhaps only fellow-travellers would appreciate what is behind and within your lines.
I was thirteen and had the 45 with the long version.
Of course, I also had an older brother and sister who forced me to avoid a lot of pop music, listening instead to Motown, Stax/Volt, Chess, and a lot of blues
That’s the one I saw on the TV….get that man a sweet drink with an umbrella…to go with his ridiculous leer and shirt. Thanks for the replay.
http://whateveritisimagainstit.blogspot.com
This entertaining site specializes in actual news pictures which make W look as absurd as he is. And great snark. Highly recommended.
Recently seen in America:
http://freewayblogger.blogspot…..ornia.html
The problem with the peace movement in this country is that there’s no evidence of it.
Try it again! Last attempt went round in a loop.
This irrepressible site features pictures from the daily pools depicting W as the fool he is.
Really great signs. Apparently we Americans think Peace on Earth is only used during the Christmas season. Thanks for all you do.
Letterman should get the pictures to accompany his spot of great speeches by American Pres, you know, FDR, JFK, then he plays W. ‘Nuf said.
“Anybody here seen my old friend Martin?
Can you tell me where he’s gone?
He freed a lot of people,
But it seems the good they die young.
I just looked ’round and he’s gone.
Didn’t you love the things that they stood for?
Didn’t they try to find some good for you and me?
And we’ll be free
Some day soon, and it’s a-gonna be one day …
Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he’s gone?
I thought I saw him walk up over the hill,
With Abraham, Martin and John..” – Richard Holler
recorded by Dion, 1968
turning
ten I knew without knowing
Feeling the growing rush of revolt.
turning
hopeful eyes brimmed, blinked.
And then… Hope mangled,
turning
to ash,
and swallowed.
turning
in-deep
And then… Out
my personal revolution…
Now, once again Ours?
…”now the ears of my ears awake and now the eyes of my eyes are opened”
- e.e. cummings
Hope is a miracle-muscle we can use. I’m just saying…
Thanks for the music…the longing of all the years I have missed JFK, Martin, Bobby…hopes dashed, never quite to have been rekindled. I had hoped this may be the season.
Well, I may not live long enough to see a true change, the one alludede to in “Like A Rolling Stone,” but I still have strength for this sardonic hope:
[From “Masters of War”]
For my children and grandchildren…
Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy your forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul
And I hope that you die
And your death’ll come soon
I will follow your casket
On a pale afternoon
And I’ll watch while you’re lowered
Down to your death bed
And I’ll stand o’er your grave
Till I’m sure that you’re dead