As everyone is probably aware by now, the Georgians attacked into South Ossetia August 7th, in an attempt to put down an autonomous government which had been ruling a good part (but not all) of the area since 1992. 1992 being when the last war occurred and when the Russians forced the Georgians to back down last time.
The Ossetians have had two referendums on independence. Neither of them was recognized by the international community and neither of them was done well enough to qualify, since ethnic Georgians mostly did not participate. However as best I can tell, a majority of residents of South Ossetia do want independence from Georgia.
Since 2004 there has been low intensity conflict, as Georgia has tried to crack down on smuggling (always a problem in "semi-autonomous" regions). At the beginning of August more severe fighting broke out, with both sides claiming the other started it. That quickly appears to have turned into some ethnic cleansing, with Georgian villages getting the worst of it. So, on Thursday, the Georgians invaded full force and assaulted the South Ossetian capital, Tskhinvali.
Then Friday the Russians decided to intervene, sending in planes, tanks and troops. They currently claim to have air superiority (which I believe). Tskhinvali has not fallen and Russia claims to have broken the assult. Georgia has declared full mobilization.
So what's it all mean? I'd take a few things from this.
One: Georgia is completely inside Russia's sphere of influence. Georgia's army is 30,000 men. Russia's is a million, with about a 100,000 just in the area. Russia has more tanks and more planes. Georgia's going to wind up giving Russia pretty much what it wants, which is a South Ossetia where Russia has more influence than Georgia.
Two: NATO expansion into Georgia would be incredibly stupid. Are you willing to send US troops to die in one of these little wars? One might argue that Russia won't risk a war with NATO, but I'll argue that Russia considers Georgia so much a part of its natural sphere of influence that it'll bet that NATO won't fight there, and if it will, might be willing to do it anyway.
Three: The international fetish for territorial integrity based on essentially arbitrary borders is a problem. It's an entirely modern artifact—no one had any hesitation redrawing borders in the 19th century. The intention is to make states secure, but in an age of nations, it often has created and preserved states that cannot function. Nowhere is this more visible than in Africa, where borders were deliberately drawn to cut important tribes in half, or to include tribes in one nation that despised each other. The end result has been huge amounts of needless ethnic strife.
Granted that South Ossetia's independence referendums were largely bogus, if the international community wished to it could specify what would be an acceptable referendum and oversee it. If the people want to leave, why not let them? Yes, it may make other nations really twitchy that they too might be divisible, set a bad precedent and all that. But perhaps it might set a good precedent too. Something about democracy and self determination. All that stuff we claim to believe in.
In the meantime, Georgia's a client state of Russia's, even if they refuse to act like one. Russia can slap them around any time it feels like it, and there's very little they can do about it, because not only are they militarily weaker, but they need energy that only Russia can supply and have nothing that Russia must have in return.
Georgia knows this, even if they don't want to admit it. Unless they get stupid, or the Russians overreach (always possible, the idea that people always act based on common sense predicts very little in this world) the status quo will likely return. South Ossetia will strictly speaking belong to Georgia, but will really be essentially autonomous from Georgia and dependent on Russia.
Plus ca change.
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Thanks for this post Ian. You make this whole mess much easier to understand.
Seconded enthusiastically.
Ian, I’m going to disagree with you here and say good fences make good neighbors. Wish I could comment more as I know people on both sides of that border.
I am not sure how I feel about this. How would this relate to the rebels in S Turkey and and the Kurdish region of Iraq. More importantly Israel and Palestine>
Hey Ian and Firedogs,
Bait the Bear ? why Ian, we were merely training Georgian troops as they joined the Coalition of the Willing (except of course, the fact we’ve been training them since 2002). I am going to have to start reading more Wired - who knew ?
Wired
more Wired
and oh by the way Ian, Jerome A Paris agrees with you. :D
when it comes to nations, or even communities, i don’t know of any that help make good neighbors:
the berlin wall
the israeli apartheid wall
the us fence on the mexican border
and closer to home the popularity of gated communities.
This was EPU’d two flights below. From The Guardian, the bombing of a mountain village Gori, Georgia. These folks don’t appear to be a threat to the Great Russian Nation. This bombing is no less an act of state terrorism than what happened at Guernica. Thirteen photos, some heartrending.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl.....=336376775
One thing I do know is that NATO and by extension, the US need to steer clear and let them sort it out on their own… I do think the aggressive NATO expansion into the former SSR’s is part of the problem by invoking Russia’s paranoia…!
OT, some sad news… He will be missed…!
i’m sure wes clarke is stimulated in his autonomous region by this turn of events.
The Russian army has 1,000,000. men?? Do we have that many? That’s a little sobering.
Uh, can’t we at least wait for it to actually happen before we start mourning?
He isn’t dead yet.
maybe there are two separate issues?
1. the back story so we can make some judgement on whether we support any of the actors. i have no knowledge and no opinion on that.
2. the morality of starting or provoking a shooting war absent some very good reason (and my bar is really, really high on this one) is wrong and should be condemned.
LOL!
tw3k, ecahn has got to see that one!
I agree, hence, he ‘will’ be missed…!
steer clear ? oh hell no,
We’re transporting 1000+ Georgian Troops from Iraq to Georgia - and trying to be all coy about it
lol :)
typically detailed coverage from bernhard at moon of alabama (but then he’s a little closer, being in germany). excellent comments also
Wow, so now they’re gonna pull all 2,000 troops out, I’d seen the earlier report of half that #… I did see that we couldn’t ‘confirm’ their use of our planes to get back…! ;-)
Just out of curiosity, is this conflict likely to effect the price of oil?
o/t
Chimpigula’s magic touch continues - US Mens Beach Volleyball Team, heavily favored for gold - just lost in two straight sets to Latvia who weren’t even ranked in world’s top 20
US guys played on the sand and were photographed with that pig yesterday
The Caspian Sea Oil Pipeline runs through Georgia…
You are right on both counts. My point being that these territorial fights need to be examined on the desires of the people. Maybe we should be looking at how can we live together rather than who gets what.
I think the most recent estimate from the McCain camp is that offshore drilling could reduce gas prices at the pump within minutes.
Be a good idea if we started it here. And could we just stay out of other people’s business?
My dad was Georgian. I have relatives there in Tbilisi. Dad was a captain in the Czar’s army and fought in the Bolshevik Revolution. Wonder what he would have thought about all this.
Heh, that pipeline delivers a million barrels a day, a heck of a lot more than would ever be produced daily by our incessant drilling…
Ian, thanks for the post and boiling it down succinctly.
Book Salon is up, Thomas Frank: The Wrecking Crew
Book Salon upstairs with Thomas Frank
Wish we could unfortunately Washington perceives “our interests” to be global.
mccain says it’s psychology:
And not the value of the dollar going up or the threat of oversite on futures trading
hey, according to these guys, perception is all that matters. they are off creating reality - we just study it. *g*
Thank You CT. Paul is a monderful human being and a talented professional. I wish that there was a way to the Lake to send him our gratitude for all the philanthropy he does as well as the wonderful information films that brought social issue to the forefront of American consciousness like nothing else could do. He promoted human kindness and the human condition like no one else. Let’s find a way to send him our respect and appreciation. Makes good stuff to eat too.
yes. yes.
Saction the attackers. Please no more war. Selise I agree with your position. Oil for food not for weapons.
It cracks me up that the Bush Regime thinks it’s unfair Russia is bigger & better armed than Georgia, but yet, these assholes didn’t seem to feel that way when Georgie attacked Iraq, which was completely defenseless.
Speaking of which, Kay…
We are not to be compared with the other. We are good. We are on a noble mission to bring freedom and democracy…/s
Sorry, but this post makes no sense. Ethnic minorities are supposed to be able to separate from Georgia? Well, why not in Russia? There are probably a dozen in the Transcaucasuses alone. There are probably 50 in Russia as a whole. Most notably the Chechens. Most would also follow Chechnya’s example of turning into a bandit state during its short lived independence. As for your calling Georgia a client of Russia, that’s just you. It doesn’t make it so anymore than prior Russian assertions about the Baltics or the Ukraine.
Good gawd. *faint*
Peony, why yes….George Bush & Dick Cheney are the noblest of all men and for me to question their judgment is just ludicrous. LOL!
at some point the members of the Coalition of the Conned are going to figure out that offering cannon fodder to shrub’s wars won’t buy them any help when the neighborhood bully decides to reduce their beautiful little wine-producing republics to a pile of rubble :P
South Ossetia is one of those areas that are claimed by two competing governments. Such areas inevitably become sources of smuggling and banditry. The criminals conduct crimes outside the border of the disputed territory, then get chased back into it by the police or military trying to protect their citizens and property from the bandits and criminals. Once inside the disputed territory, the criminals are save from pursuit because the other large nation disputing the territory will refuse to cooperate in catching the criminals.
Such cooperation is seen by both major nations as acceding the disputed territory to the other powerful nation.
The rather dry news reports that “smuggling” is going on clearly is not showing the seriousness of the problem. This is the kind of problem that destabilizes the less powerful of the major disputing governments. In South Ossetia it appears that Russia is using the disputed territory to force Georgia back into greater cooperation with Russia, and the efforts of the Georgian government to make nice with NATO are a reaction to this pressure.
No doubt there is a lot more at play here, but this is the logical set of actions that surround an international piece of disputed territory between two larger powers.
Much like the Russian invasion of Hungary in 1956, there is no possible military solution involving U.S. troops that will have any chance of either victory or even calming the waters. This is an area for the efforts that have invariably been failures for the Bush administration - Diplomacy.