The WSJ editorial page thinks everyone’s being unfair about the fine job the Bush administration did with the Hamdan case
On Thursday, a war crimes tribunal sentenced Salim Hamdan to a mere five and a half years in prison, which, with credit for time served, means that Osama bin Laden’s bodyguard and driver could be released as early as January. To borrow the obligatory media idiom, this "raises questions" about the process — namely one: Could anything happen at Guantanamo that isn’t "a stunning rebuke" or "an embarrassing blow" to the Bush Administration?
That’s the front page of the WSJ they’re annoyed at there.
A military commission delivered an embarrassing blow to the Bush administration’s first war-crimes prosecution, sentencing Osama bin Laden’s former driver to just five additional months’ imprisonment instead of the 30 years to life the government wanted.
The surprisingly light sentence could be a bad omen for the government, which is preparing the more dramatic trials of the key alleged Sept. 11 conspirators. Prosecution officials had considered the evidence against Salim Hamdan to represent one of their strongest cases.
Joseph McMillan, one of Mr. Hamdan’s civilian attorneys, said the Bush administration wanted to railroad defendants, but the "honor and integrity" of the military jurors produced a fair sentence.
Prosecutor John Murphy told the court that Mr. Hamdan was "a hardened al Qaeda member" who should "not get one day less than 30 years," a penalty "so significant that it forecloses any possibility that he renews his ties with terrorism."
The jury of six military officers, which on Wednesday convicted Mr. Hamdan of providing material support for a terrorist organization, instead handed down a sentence of 66 months, with credit for the 61 he has already served.
Um, yeah. That is kind of an embarrassing blow. Only not, says the editorial page, because it proves The System Works
The sentence came down a day after Hamdan was absolved of the more serious of the two charges leveled against him. The prior political narrative was that the commissions amounted to a new Inquisition. But never mind. Some eminences claimed that Hamdan’s partial acquittal really meant he had been found "guilty as ordered." Now a panel of senior military officers has rejected the 30-year sentence prosecutors requested — and we are told that also counts as a strike against military commissions…
If anything, Hamdan’s sentence again validates the fairness and due-process safeguards embedded in the system.
The front page tactlessly points out that the System had to be dragged kicking and screaming into giving Hamdan the safeguards he did have
Mr. Hamdan is already synonymous with challenges to the administration’s detention program. It was his case that led the Supreme Court in 2006 to strike down the administration’s first iteration of the military commission system, which the White House justified as necessary to ensure convictions of dangerous foreign terrorists. The system now in place gives defendants some rights the president initially sought to deny, such as attending all sessions of their trials, but the government has maintained that defendants have no constitutional rights.
but here the editorial page tops itself — the Hamdan situation proves the system works because he _may_ be released at the end of his prison term for political reasons
Hamdan could be held indefinitely as an enemy combatant, but the political explosion that option would touch off makes it all but untenable. In five months, he is likely to be repatriated to Yemen.
even though the System believes that he has no right to be released at the end of his prison term if they want to hold on to him – he may have received a definite sentence from the jury, but the jury doesn’t matter (this from the Times of London, another of those liberal Murdoch rags)
The US military tribunal that tried Osama bin Laden’s driver ruled that he should be freed by the end of the year. The Pentagon has suggested that he may be in jail indefinitely. The final decision, according to the judge in the case of Salim Ahmed Hamdan, could be in the hands of Allah.
Hamdan was sentenced by a jury of six military officers to 66 months in prison on Thursday for supporting terrorism — but was acquitted of being part of al-Qaeda’s conspiracy to attack the United States. To the outrage of human rights groups, the Pentagon insists that it can continue to hold “enemy combatants” beyond the end of their sentence — a position it is under growing pressure to abandon.
IOW, Hamdan’s "guilty as ordered," and he’s only going to be given freedom when his term is served if the president and the DOD cave to political pressure.
The judge, at least, doesn’t seem to think that either one is Hamdan’s best bet
The need for divine intervention was raised in a telling moment at the climax of Hamdan’s trial — the first of a War on Terror suspect held at the Guantanamo Bay detention centre. With credit for 61 months and eight days of time already served, the Yemeni will be eligible for release just before New Year’s Eve.
“I wish you God speed, Mr Hamdan,” the judge, Navy Captain Keith Allred, told him. “I hope the day comes that you return to your wife and daughters and your country, and you’re able to be a provider, a father and a husband in the best sense of all those terms.”
The detainee replied: “Inshallah” — God willing.
“Inshallah,” the US military judge agreed.



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Evening Julia!
Fuck!
sorry for the little hiccup there folks. this is the correct post…
the thers post was not supposed to go tonight for those of you wondering where your comments went – they will be there when it does post
On the other hand…
A most pleasant evening to all y’all
The only embarassment is bush and co
Suz: plz make my 2 bye
kthxbai
No. The WSJ editorial page is also an embarrassment.
Julia! I was just in Thers’ post for a minute. Now I will read yours and curb my language a bit more.
evening
:D
Does this mean we can’t curse in Julia’s posts? Won’t that ruin our reputation as a foul mouthed fem blog?
bull pucky
julia is a foul mouthed fem blogger yanno
well, I am a delicate flower :)
We just came from a day at the Museum of Natural History, where we slept over last night
Thanks Julia. It is my hope that this country can someday recover our honor and integrity and leave Gitmo as a lesson in what to avoid.
and the media
True dat.
I made a deal with my mom when I was four that I would stop saying f*ck (don’t want to trigger websense, or I won’t be able to post at work) if she stopped saying damn.
I went to a very progressive preschool.
Uh oh… I missed the hiccup, eh? ;-)
Nice job, Julia! You finished it beautifully with the Judge bidding him ‘inshallah’…!
Sad, that the Judge’s and Jury’s ruling of 5 more months isn’t likely to happen…! 8-(
Did ya see my hero Robin Williams…? ;-)
kewl!
texteen once spent the night with a boy scout troop at the aquarium in corpus, but none of them slept well since the eels were watching them.
Could anything happen at Guantanamo that isn’t “a stunning rebuke” or “an embarrassing blow” to the Bush Administration?
Unfortunately, the answer is – “oh yeah”.
I have to wonder whether Judge Allred has heard his first and last case at Gitmo.
Given the legally-blasphemous rules of evidence inherent in the military trials, a change of judge and some new and different Pentagon-hand-picked jurors who better “understand” their assignment, there’s still a way better than average chance of some monstrous fuckery to come.
Oh, and if you didn’t get to read the new item last night, they have put Mr. Hamdan in his own special area in Gitmo, because he’s now a prisoner and not a detainee, so he’s in solitary.
Sadly,
Heather
I’m not sure they want him there when the higher-value assets are tried. He’d be too good a hook for stories.
Of course, they could just be running out the clock until it’s someone else’s problem.
In my youth, I unfortunately took after my hillbilly grandfather who was given to “colorful” language and whose every third word was “sumbitch”. I have mellowed quite a bit as I have aged (comes with teaching college).
Sure, but the WSJ editorial page is written by meth-junkie baboons. QED.
I did see a good quote from him in the entryway – I have lots of problems with him, but he doesn’t in the least deserve Marshall Wittman pretending to admire him
Julia, you seem to have an incomplete sentence after the first quote-indented paragraph.
What you got against meth-addled monkeys to insult them like that?
dugg and thanks to thomasmuffin for opening it
no, just sloppy capitalization, I’m afraid.
would you like me to go in and fix it for you?
More diggs, please
kthxbai
Speaking of meth-addled monkeys, this was the place to watch them this weekend. A top drawer “family values” event. Surprised that McCain didn’t make a campaign stop there.
Sure. I’m sorry, I should have been more careful.
Hiya Julia,
My Q is: How big are anuses of members of military tribunals, from getting f’d in them so often. Enquiring minds. . .
Here’s a moment of Zen: If you put an infinite number of monkeys at an infinite number of typewriters, they will necessarily turn out every edition of the WSJ editorial page. Also, the smell in the room will be unbearable. So, are we sure the WSJ editorial page isn’t written by an infinite number of monkeys?
exactly.
teehee
no problem
grandfather who was given to “colorful” language and whose every third word was “sumbitch”.
heh, a professional….
The kid made me start watching my language. The high point of my Sunday morning used to be cursing at George Will on This Week, and I thought for a while I would be able to keep watching if I just used rude gestures, but then the babysitter told little six month old her that she’d have to wait a minute for a teething biscuit and she used the universal hand signal for wanking.
I still slip sometimes.
fixed
I think it is. Retarded monkeys at that.
I suppose they’re the only wingnut welfare support system for Birchers.
Yep.
eCAHN – just in case you didn’t already see it, tw3k posted a comment on ian’s “Lessons of the Ossetian War: Don’t Bait the Bear and Stop Making a Fetish Out of Borders” thread that i thought you might enjoy.
I feel for them. They really seem to have done their jobs, and they going to get slapped.
I wonder that too. It certainly would draw more people than he is capable of drawing.
because I’d see more monkeys out drinking on Thursday nights in Manhattan if they all had high-level jobs in journamalism?
Thanks for that. Gave me a giggle. How you be?
Exactly the same “all American” crowd that they get at Sturgis, but a bit more free form and spontaneous (imagine all of the people you would never want to see without their clothes deciding to get publicly naked).
I prefer that Texteen not swear around me, though he knows that I use colorful language on occasion. But doesn’t seem right somehow to use it with him.
I don’t feel for them. They made their beds and now they must lie (lay?) in them.
Heh, you’re quoting Robin’s role as Teddy Roosevelt… Personally, I love Robin for his endearing wit and humor…! ;-)
Btw, I asked another personal hero, Badger, to critique my current post and he loved it, but, was perplexed by this article I’d cited… He asked me to keep an eye on it…!
i went to Sturgis one time and I’m still not sure that I saw what I actually saw.
That assumes that they volunteered. My understanding of the military justice system is that you are assigned. The military is not real big on recusals.
now they must lie (lay?) in them.
In the spirit of the tribunals in general, let’s use “lie”.
*shudder*
Dang, my 54 was for ya, Julia…! ;-)
Well, you do have to watch what you eat and drink there. ;-)
sometimes I lie in bed, but not as much as I do when I’m up and about…
Um, they volunteered for the military. You takes what you gets.
I have some friends in a local band who played there for years (it pays pretty well), but the band finally revolted and decided it was not worth the suffering.
My point exactly.
I still remember what I thought was an interesting bikini top shaped like cherries on this woman only to discover later that it was just ‘paint’
Robin Williams is one of the few comedians I prefer unscripted.
At least it wasn’t tattoos.
Spoken by a real lawyer… Hmmm… At least your honest to non-clients…! ;-)
Once was enough for me. i sat next to some Hells Angels from Cali and they were nice.
It was still a little unsettling. But then again people were riding buck ass naked all over the place
IIRC, even when he has a script, he deviates from it, and, oftentimes the directors keep it in…! ;-)
They can be and then they can turn on a dime and want to kill you. (Disclaimer: In my wayward youth I was know to occasionally frequent redneck biker bars. This is not conducive to good health or a long life.)
Wow, Bernie Mac died today…! Way to early…!
Crying and laughing!
I had been using Spanish cusswords whenever Bush was on TV, or when Crossfire was on, etc. Anyway, my sons knew just what I was saying.
yeup
Yeah, I figured as much. One wanted me to be his biker bitch and didn’t take it so well when i declined his generous offer
I imagine you made a few professional calls to similar establishments in your time.
darnit. that was in response to you, Dr. Dick @72
i heard about it this morning. Tragic.
Wow, Bernie Mac died today…! Way to early…!
Personally, I don’t care what time it is when I die – I’m still gonna be pissed…
sorry.
The guy was younger than me – that always freaks me out a little….
I figured it was. Freaking reply button does not work until the page is fully loaded which seems to take forever these days.
when i fired hired on, i was given the usual treatment, including a visit down to the local tittie bar. i was non-plussed and when the guys asked why, i told them it didn’t hold a candle to typing legal briefs about how the right to masturbate at adult theaters was protected under the pursuit of happines clause of the constitution.
took them 5 years before they figured out how to get me to blush.
Heh, ‘generous offer’ I think you’d have gotten into some serious trouble most rickety tick with your quick retorts and indomitable will…! Jez sayin’…! ;-)
FORK… when i was first hired.. dayam, i’m tired
She yells at me when I curse now.
I have created a monster.
laughed so loud i scared the cats…
thank you…
I’m still risking my life. One of my peeves, cause I bicycle 700 miles/year on roads, is motorcycles without proper mufflers. A real downer when they pass you on the road, especially in pods of dozens. So last Sat, I was approaching the county fairgrounds, a mile and a half from my house, when one such motorcycle roars by me. He got stopped in a line of traffic held up as pedestrians crossed the road to go from the parking lot to the fair. As I bicyled by him on the grass, I suggested he get a muffler for his next birthday present. He took umbrage, and was even louder when he got thru the traffic stop and roared by me. But he didn’t commit bodily harm.
Why is it that a pot-bellied unkempt 50-something male on a noisy motorcycle doesn’t like it when a short blond 60-something woman on a bicycle gives him lip. I don’t understand. *g*
And why are motorcycles allowed to get away with such noisy vehicles. Is that the Harley Davidson lobby?
Disclaimer: I wear Harley Davidson sunglasses on my bicycle. They are the best.
You do blush…? ;-)
I’m a latina. We’re a fiery bunch. but I had been forewarned and these guys were damn scary looking so i became a bit shy and coquettish for this occasion
how ’bout hand signals?
that was for you, Ctuttle @83
I figured such, M’dear…! ;-)
Hey CT and Suzanne,
The guys never got me to blush on Wall St. But then I didn’t work on the trading floor, which is notorious. One woman working there told me a guy reached down inside her blouse. I told her to dress like me: silk blouse with ties around the neck long enough to go twice around and then make bow.
Want to be careful with that kind of thing. Some of these people can get real ugly when challenged. We had a couple of cars “challenged” for not giving proper deference when the Hells Angels were here a couple of weeks ago. As to the 50ish thug’s attitude, a) they don’t take lip from nobody and b) especially from women (enlightenment will take them a while – maybe 2-3 millenia). Don’t know how the biker get away with that, but the same is true for ATVs snowmobiles, and jet skis.
yeup i do
wow. Just reached down her blouse?
One thing I’ve noticed at the Lake, the men are probably more apt to blush than the women…! Not demeaning the men mind ya…! 8-)
Mods admins check email plz
That doesn’t amaze me at all – a woman who lived in our building growing up was a successful trader, and she was taken off the floor and put in a less “stressful” job after her second child because, she said, her boss told her that he knew from dealing with his wife that women become far less able to focus after a second child.
It was kind of sad – she told me that until then she’d always assumed that women who told her they faced sexism at work were making excuses because they couldn’t cut it.
until the page is fully loaded which seems to take forever these days.
huh – thought it was just me. I even called my provider to ask them to test my box’s speed…
good news:
Tibet Activists Stage “Die-In” Protest In Tiananmen Square (VIDEO)
replied back thers
cool
Mr is watching beach volleyball on globo (brasil network)
Comes and goes. Tonight, sometimes it loads at a normal speed and other times it seems to hang up forever.
Pressing f5 as opposed to the reload circle atop the FF toolbar is a lot quicker, I’ve found…!
Yeah, I’m aware that I’m risking my life. Don’t do it often, but sometimes can’t resist.
LOL
Does seem to be a bit quicker overall, but still hangs up sometimes.
good night all. i’m going to get some sleep.
See now, that’s also another peeve of mine. The young whipper snapper women who think that sexism is for old foggies like me and don’t get with the plan until it happens to them.
Geez, how dumb can you get.
I was also under the delusion that any gender/race could get ahead by doing better work. However, I soon detected sexism, and not too long afterwards figured out that doing better work was more often a threat to your boss than a key to promotion. Have no patience for women who’s sexism radar is out of order.
and speaking of hangups, the littlest bluenose is home for the weekend and just came out to tell me to go to be, so I think I’ve got to (or she won’t).
Thanks, folks. Night.
Good painless night TB.
Actually, it seems to hang up just as much for me (though it is quicker when it doesn’t hang up).
pain free sleep wishes, tex
Aloha, Muffin! Pain free sleep wishes…!
Nighty night Julia.
Night Betsy. Pain free dreams.
boa noite texbetsy and julia
g’nite julia the non foul mouthed fem blogger
Night Julia.
Aloha, Julia! Nice takedown of the Murdoch Journal!
Yeah, I thought it was a bit odd.
I got her a copy of Games Mother Never Taught You. I was seventeen. She was a 35yo EVP.
john mccain on high def tv = not complimentary
Mr is watching beach volleyball on globo
*Women’s* beach volleyball? hmmm, that sounds interesting – maybe I should check it out sometime… *g*
Bravo for you.
I knew a lot of women like her on Wall St. One of them made it to the first female partner of Goldman Sachs. So she laughed at us all the way to the bank.
The others, not so much.
wow i can’t type lmao
i meant to type: does not compliment him at all
John McCain on tiny, grainy b & w = not complimentary.
We are still waiting for the report on in braille.
My older son would get very upset if I stubbed my toe and said “Shit!”
Then Bush came into office and they figured I was gonna either vent or blow up.
I was watching the women’s beach volleyball on MSNBC earlier, they had a showdown between the Dutch and Americans… I think the Dutch won, but, who’s counting…! ;-)
Did you blush while watching?
We are still waiting for the report on in braille.
early betting favorites: mushy, bumpy and lumpy.
It is kind of interesting, but my mother (daughter of the hillbilly grandfather) never cursed at all. Only heard her curse once and almost fell off my chair. All she said was “Damn!”
You might have to wait a long while for that.
Ewwwwwwww.
Ha Ha, Doc.
Yeah and butt ugly to boot.
Only when the better half came in and asked what I was watching…! ;-)
i was thinking of you when i looked up and saw it LOL
the top American team, Misty May and the tall girl, was on earlier here… with the time difference and all, maybe you can catch that one later – it was on regular NBC…
As a federal prisoner Mr.Hamdan should get good time for his cooperation while being interrogated and tortured. That could reduce his sentence to completion and his attorneys should demand his release or an immediate explanation of White House policy.
But why?
I like to watch buff males. (Ahnold way OTT, though.)
Except that the Pentagon has already said that even if prisoners are acquitted they still may not be released. I really wanted to hurt someone when I heard that.
Just don’t hold your breath while waiting for a fair outcome please. We wouldn’t want to be without your comments.
yep – patriotism is my middle name.
I left it off my business cards though.
It seemed like the response; the Olympics didn’t cut it… Btw, why don’t the more ‘endowed’ women compete as much…? ;-0
707!
Btw, why don’t the more ‘endowed’ women compete as much…?
gravity.
you try competing at anything with a couple 5 lb sandbags tied to your chest dood and you will understand
Time for bed. Going hiking here tomorrow morning and need my rest. For all you flatlanders, tomorrow is supposed to be sunny with a high of 78 F. Love my northern Rockies summers.
Julia nice post g’night to you and Tex Betty and sleepy pups. With the resurgence of religion in America there has been a drop in empathy. See Ian’s post on E.
I think there’s actually a biological reason. One way it works is that starvation diets for female gymnaists suppress menestration and breast development.
Then there’s my hypothesis that body type correlates with atheletic participation. Women with big breasts don’t tend to engage in sports. Don’t know why, as I’m not endowed, but suspect it’s because sports are uncomfortable for women with big breasts.
CT,
And then there’s always Suz’s more concise explanation!!!!
I’m not asking for that much…! Just not carpenter’s dreams…! ;-)
nite, Doc.
g’nite dr no pause dick
G’nite BB.
lmao 707! One of the many times the funbags ain’t so fun
boa noite Dr Dick
Aloha, Doc!
gnite DrD
many women athletes wear minimizing bras to avoid the bouncing around – which is painful.
the more streamlined one is, the faster one is
true dat. When I played basketball all that bouncing was just painful. Not to mention you could put your own eye out if you weren’t careful
Hot off of my wire my repulican cuz is not voting for McSame and request Obama defie what exactly hope and all is in details she can vote for.
C’mpon fokls it’s time to get real specific and take the flack.
Highly likely. I played basketball for a while in my teen years. Not on any team, but i was the only girl in the neighborhood that would play on the local courts with the guys. I’m not endowed either, so i could actually play without too many issues. It paid off in boot camp too, where the more endowed women were in pain during the 2 mile run we had to do. It made me immensely glad that i had this physique, so i could be mildly athletic, even for a girl geek.
You’re putting waaaaaaaay too much stock in appendage mass – size and “cuteness” are often mutually exclusive.
And for the record, Girls Beach Volleyball is the best legal porn anywhere.
Pipe down… Some of us are loving this.
And don’t forget the starvation diets that, in early teens, retard both mestruation and breast development.
Uncle! I guess I’ll have to settle for the shot-putters and discus throwers…! ;-)
you can refer her to his webpage. The good, the bad and the ugly is all laid out there.
When I played basketball all that bouncing was just painful
Wondering whether a creative use of momentum might translate into a good high-jumper…
Err..except mud wrestling dodging and weaving. G)
hope is not more of the same
change means no more because we have had enough
Yep.
I picked up a book during one intermission at NYC Ballet: Ballet Dancer’s Diet. They live on 1200 cal/day and do 8 or so hours of physical labor/day.
By comparison, I lost 80 pounds in 2001 on 2000 cal/day with plenty of exercise. So 1200/day which female gymnasts do, is truly inhumane starvation. At least ballet dancers have a career to show for their sacrifice.
Ha. Anyone who is into a lot of butt slapping, would love it.
Oh, sorry, it’s over for now. No worries, there’ll be more.
i have no idea. the answer for me was a $50 sports bra. did the trick.
I was watching the finals for swimming earlier. Male swimmers have the most interesting physiques.
Whew! You had me going there for a minute.
Phelps set a new WR for 150m Individual Medley!
Swimming is the best for physique & lifelong sports according to conventional wisdom. It does not put demands on your body, as water buoys it up, and it uses every muscle, leading to fabulous appearances. However, as a teen-swimmer, let me assure you that no sport is more BORING.
Fucking Chimpy shaking hands with Kissinger. If ever there were a reason… Forget it.
Correction, 400M IM… We’ve accumulated 8 medals so far, 2 gold, 2 silver, and 4 bronze…!
I eat a fairly normal diet, but i’m also in an active job where i’m walking around all day. Even if it’s in a mostly enclosed area, it’s still burning calories as i work for 8 hours. Being the most ‘active’ tech has some advantage. *grin*
and OUCH on the ballet dancers diet. Gah, i’d be starving less than 2 hours later on anything like that. I burn through food so fast i have to parcel my meals out into smaller ones. One big meal during the day (usually dinner) and the rest of hte time is smaller bits and pieces as i go. When you’re hungry every two to three hours its the only way to survive without killing those around you. At least in my case.
At this tiny (5′2″ and about 120ish lbs) my metabolism is still pretty high. Slowed down a little as i reached my mid 20s, but not much. I used to weigh about 100 lbs for pretty much all of high school and about 5 or so years afterward.
i love watching but i’m a basketball girl at heart
Male swimmers have the most interesting physiques.
Much like fighters. Heavily muscled across the back, lats, triceps and shoulders. That’s where the power is.
No real need for biceps and pecs – essentially useless in most sports.
your tiny *g*
Heh, watch what a kid or two(or more) does to one’s physique, Ma Cheri…! ;-)
Why I don’t like pro sports or even ballet any more. Don’t like abnormal behavior,
Did you guys see the story of the young Chinese boy who got to walk with the Chinese team in the opening? He was at school during the earthquake a couple of months ago, where a
huge percentage of the students died. This young man pulled a friend out of the rubble and took them to safety, then went back and rescued another. When asked why he did that, he said he had to, he was the hall monitor. It was his job. What a little angel.
a long torso helps in swimming as well
cartoon upstairs
Leaving aside the issue of why the schools were built to collapse during any earthquake, in an earthquake prone region. I am not impressed. Quite the contrary. Throw up in my mouth with the propaganda.
Oh i know. But finding a guy to commit to immigration to Canada with me at this point? Slim to none in the area i live in. Not too many that would like the rabid geekery in competition with their intelligence either. So methinks kids will show up after i end up in Ontario. *grin*
Oh, come on. The little hall monitor didn’t build anything under code. He did something good. I’m not naive enough to buy all the propaganda either, but I was moved by what he did and said.
Hey Butt slapping try pro football.. now htere is some good ass slapping.
Crackin myself up.
How about a bodybuilding contest butt slapping olypic event mixed pairs. I’m OT sorry.
Football players? For sure, but they’re all wearing plenty of gear.
You’ve seen how much the girl volleyball players aren’t wearing, right?
Meanwhile,
NewspeakNewsweek has decided to go the WSJ one better by saying that everyone’s being unfair about the fine job the Bush administration did with just about everything else.Your “librul” media at work, folks.