A few more thoughts on John Edwards’ admission today, since it’s probably futile to bother discussing anything else…
First of all, anybody think it’s a coincidence that Barack Obama just happened to leave the continental U.S. for a week’s vacation the day Edwards went public? Yeah, me neither.
Second, many people in Jane’s thread earlier today pointed out the obvious foolishness of Edwards trying to win the Democratic nomination for the White House, given the inevitability that this affair would be revealed eventually. But then again, that might explain the oddly combative-for-its-own sake tone of his campaign, as Edwards constantly spoke of the need to "fight" entrenched interests, with far less emphasis whether he actually had a plan to defeat them — almost as if he was giving a pep talk to the voters (and the other candidates), rather than actually planning to govern the country.
And speaking of those other candidates, Barack Obama should be extremely grateful that Edwards did run, since it was the latter’s hard-hitting negative ad last November that stalled Hillary Clinton’s momentum and opened up room for Obama to gain in the polls, after months of having little to show for his overflow crowds and heavy campaign spending.
That Edwards might have intentionally sacrificed himself, either to put his choice of issues on the table or simply to prevent Clinton from winning the nomination (while saving Obama the damage of "going negative" himself), is a convoluted, almost tinfoil-worthy possibility… but one that’s hard to dismiss out of hand.
Even if this baroque notion is true, however, Edwards’ choice to run for President with a sure-to-be-revealed scandal lurking in his closet means that he essentially took thousands of hours of his supporters’ time under false pretenses — along with millions of their dollars. Including some of mine.
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I really liked Edwards, still do! But, I am thankful he didn’t succeed since McInsane would’ve had a field day… 8-(
Fortunately I didn’t give him much. I’m merely ticked that he seemed to think no one would hear about it before November, even if he had no chance of being the nominee. (Not that it’s a permanent disgrace: remember Gary Hart?)
Hey Swopa!
Johnny McTeleprompter cheated on his first wife Carol with Cindy his current wife. Johnny also cheated on Cindy with Ms. Vicky who is a lobbyist. Oh boy!
When does cheating become a problem or labeled as an addiction? I say with the 2nd time cheating. Makes me wonder how many times John Edwards has cheated on Elizabeth all these years? Huh. I wonder.
Guaranteed Dennis Kucinich & Barack Obama are not cheaters. I could be wrong but neither one of them give off the vibe that they do.
Somehow, I’d like to think that if Edwards had been the presumptive nominee and all this came out today, the media would be asking Vicki Iseman for comment on all this tomorrow.
I’d been calling myself a member of the Brokenhearted Edwards Supporters party. More heartbreak.
I wonder if the $15,000/month Edwards has been paying this woman is hush money so she wouldn’t tell anyone he’s the father and that they were having an affair or if it’s for childcare for a child he says is not his child? Another head scratcher…
but…
He is no longer in politics, so honestly, all of this is none of our business. That said, we are so lucky he was not the candidate the Democrats chose because we would be up shit’s creek in a chicken wire canoe!
During his quest for the nomination, Edwards appeared unusually glum compared to his rather upbeat persona of four years earlier. When the news broke about Elizabeth’s illness I was inclined to attribute his demeanor to that. Combine the two… her illness must have greatly exacerbated his sense of guilt. He screwed up bad. Most of my sympathy is for his family but I am sorry for him as well.
You are so right on the money. This is exactly what the sausage-making of Congressional legislation is all about. Machiavelli had nothing on these guys. Coming at him from his left, Edwards was always a transparent foil for Obama.
Yep Mcinsane would have a field day… But when we find out McInsane was fooling around with that lobbyist will there be an uproar??
Rethuglians do what they want and say different.. just look at their recent history (no need to list it as we all know them) They are just two faced bald ass liars from top to bottom.. Ethics is a swear word to those people! They would know an ehtical thing if it hit them on the head! /S
Unfortunately it takes National Enquirer to follow around candidates and they know better than follow around repubs.. Where did the first Anthrax death occur.
The Edwards family has endured a lot of things that put incredible pressure on a relationship, and both Elizabeth and John have suffered. Ultimately, it is up to them to come to terms once again with another tragedy in their family. I think it is far from over.
I’m glad he didn’t get the nomination for obvious reasons.
Now…..John McCain’s denials about Vicki Iseman, as well as her swift disappearance off the scene….sure makes me wonder….Oh yeah, and John McCain is married to the woman he had the affair with when he left his handicapped wife. So, that leaves Obama…hope he’s been good..and same for whoever his VP is.
What a world.
but I was so disappointed. I just expected more from him.
Unless it can be substantiated, McCain’s marital infidelity (since he married Cindy) is irrelevant. Like most Republicans, what really excites him is the prospect of screwing the country, which is why he must be defeated.
The only issue I have is the “what if”. He wins the nomination and gooper spooks unearth this in about 5 minutes…and wait.
John McShame’s history is far more onerous than Edwards. That being said there is no figuring the mentality of someone wanting to run for pres. Yesterday Obama was asked by a young girl, why he wanted to run for Pres and his response (joking) was that he got hit in the head with a rock and when he woke up he was in the race. Narcistic is how Edwards described his mindset. Does someone doing this feel themselves invincible, or smarter than everyone else, I am not sure.
Hey egregious I Dugg your Digg! So pups go ahead and Digg this post you will be helping the Lake!
LS Now…..John McCain’s denials about Vicki Iseman, as well as her swift disappearance off the scene….sure makes me wonder….Oh yeah, and John McCain is married to the woman he had the affair with when he left his handicapped wife. So, that leaves Obama…hope he’s been good..and same for whoever his VP is.
What a world. see my response at 11.. repubs are god cause they know how to deal with these people…
Well, so much for Edwards for Vice President…
aHAHAHA, as if.
you’re so funny Peterr
OT.. I tried to highlight Ls’s comments, why did it not work?
lol
Thanks Swopa.
Moi?
*g*
Why did the woman bring her newborn baby to the Hilton if Edwards was there to meet the man with her…uhhhh…not the man who claims to be the father, a different man… and why did Edwards go there to see her/them in the middle of the night for hours and hours? D’Oh….
This is going to get so much uglier and make everything so much worse…
Perhaps we should all admit that unless there is some weakness of character in a person, subjecting them to potential future blackmail, they are not allowed into the political arena in the first place by the “powers that be (namely AIPAC and all of the organizations funded by David Rockefeller). Do you think it’s just coincidental that so many ethical scandals swirl around these (s)elected officials? Look at them. Newt Gingrich? Used Car Salesman!
Isn’t it time to really consider how these “candidates” are thrust onto the scene in the first place? How is it that Even Obama is a member of the CFR? There is no truly independent AND ELECTABLE candidate allowed to enter the arena or advance through the process (which is totally controlled by the media).
Remember when the prospect of “campaign finance reform” raised the prospect of removing money from politics? Didn’t work, did it? Where does that political money go? The lion’s share goes to the media companies themselves in the form of paid political advertising. Who controls the media companies? The same tribe that controls foreign policy. They don’t want you to talk about that:
Media ownership study ordered destroyed
Sept 14, 2006
‘Every last piece’ destroyed
Adam Candeub, now a law professor at Michigan State University, said senior managers at the agency ordered that “every last piece” of the report be destroyed. “The whole project was just stopped – end of discussion,” he said. Candeub was a lawyer in the FCC’s Media Bureau at the time the report was written and communicated frequently with its authors, he said.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14836500/
“You can’t tell any more the difference between what’s propaganda and what’s news.”
FCC Commissioner Jonathan Adelstein
15 August, 2006
Abramoff was the guy they used to entrap politicians in compromising positions in order to blackmail them. It worked. Blackmail is one of the most significant problems facing this nation. It is rampant.
Accountability Now is creeping up on 2000 donors . . .
Hey Rahm: I’ve got two words for you — Al Wynn
Feel free to jump in at the link and add your own contribution.
Yeah, it is pretty fishy.
Maybe he’ll get impeached. No, wait… he is irrelevant.
The whole sordid business reminds me of that old joke about men having a brain and a penis but only enough blood to operate one at a time.
Sexpionage and Blackmail. Two explanations for EVERYTHING that is wrong in American Politics and Foreign Policy:
Of Swallows and Ravens
Israeli Sexpionage in the McGreevey, Condit and Clinton Affairs
Love, Sex and War
Black Propaganda and Sexpionage
The History of “Sexpionage”
Sexual Blackmail
Sexual blackmail gridlock in Washington today
It is disappointing as it is every time a man (or woman) cheats on their spouse.
Did you read about Morgan Freeman’s accident? He had a woman in the car with him and now Morgan’s wife wants a divorce. Oh boy.
Why do men have to cheat? I swear they’re like SOME female wild birds who find themselves a nice male birdy to have babies with and for the male birdy to take care of….so she can fly away from the next every so often for some extra “exercise” with another male birdy. LOL
nahant
you left out the Money Bomb post
digg that too
Edwards suspended his campaign at the end of January. It took many by surprise. It wasn’t like people thought he had a shot at the nomination but rather that it was important for him to keep pushing a progressive message. I have to wonder how much this episode weighed upon his decisions.
“…he essentially took thousands of hours of his supporters’ time under false pretenses — along with millions of their dollars. Including some of mine.”
I like the general balanced assessment you make of this matter, and in that spirit want to suggest something else for your closing statement: The pretenses weren’t so false. You supported him because he was supporting your interests, didn’t you? Your investment of time and money made a difference in promoting those issues, and together, you were able to make a difference in the campaign(s) of the eventual winner(s).
You would surely have been justified in your closing statement if
(a) Edwards campaign left no positive mark on the shape of the campaigns of Clinton and Obama, and
(b) after quitting the race, he had said something like “I didn’t really believe any of that stuff anyway. I was just saying it because I thought it would help me win.”
But neither (a) nor (b) was true, so your support for him was not in vain, and had a salutory effect on the direction of the campaign.
Thanks for taking a look at Edwards’ role in the development of the Democratic primaries from an issues perspective. That’s the thing to do!
Aloha,
Bob in HI
Hey, I’m recently divorced and my husband left to live with his sister in the hills of WV.. so I’m a tad jealous that it wasn’t just for a cute honey…
Birds do it to diversify the gene pool and to increase the likelihood that at least some of their offspring will survive to repeat the process. Maybe that played a role in human evolution too. At any rate, it’s time for homo sapiens to start living up to the title.
It should only get ugly for the Edwards family. The right wingers are already trying to say that Edwards cheating is bad for Barack Obama’s campaign since Edwards came out publicly to support him. Dumbasses, but these are the imbeciles in our country right now. They’ll attack anything and everything to Barack just to glorify Johnny McTeleprompter who is delving in the same kind of crap the right wingers are accusing those who support Barack!
If the neocons want to play that kind of game, then I think we need to run with the story of how Johnny McTeleprompter is responsible for the bus crash in Texas that killed 14 people, because of the tires not having the proper amount of air in them which caused the tire to burst. See? He is telling his cultists to not listen to Barack’s idea of checking the tire pressure in their tires. He’s responsible for this bus crash now. /snark
I wrote this almost two years ago. See if it still sound relevant today:
STOP.
Stop talking about politics – and the elections that are nearly two years away. Haven’t you noticed? It’s the MEDIA that has convinced you that this topic is valid every day of every year.
THINK BACK.
Remember when there were no 24/7 cable news channels? Remember when there were no TV shows devoted solely to politics?
When election cycles were over, they were OVER. Those who were elected set about doing the people’s business, and the people got back to focusing on the issues that MATTER.
Look at what the system of Politics hath wrought.
Why is the topic of a Presidential race nearly two years away relevant on every news show, and every message board so early? This country has been reduced to EXACTLY what our MASTERS have chosen for us.
Bickering over which preordained puppet will be (s)elected by the globalists to (appear to) run the country is just masturbation.
Only men and women of low moral character (subject to bribes and blackmail) are even allowed in to the political arena in the first place. Why do you think the Congress is so complacent and compliant? They all work for the same boss – but it’s not you.
The social scientists and propagandists have managed to divide the country in half, with people who call themselves Democrats and Republicans talking AT each other 24/7 – as if it mattered.
We are all mindless sheep, doing as we are programmed by the images we see on our screens and the messages that are conveyed to us by Used Car Salesman who just happen to have been put in positions of (apparent) power by those in REAL POWER.
Since 1950, the Council on Foreign Relations has been David Rockefeller’s child. The CFR serves the interests of Rockefeller’s global empire of oil and financial interests (Exxon, Chase Manhattan Bank, JP Morgan Chase).
Founder of Council On Foreign Relations
David Rockefeller & Dick Cheney – American Traitors…
Cheney laughs about lying to his constituents in order to get elected
Today, I have destroyed every piece of JRE propaganda that was in my house: photos, postcards, the poster I got after meeting him in Chicago. I am bitterly disappointed that he — and his wife! — thought it was okay to proceed with a presidential campaign with this scandal hanging overhead. This woman Rielle was known to be unbalanced; why did JRE get involved with someone who appeared in books by Jay McInerney and Bret Easton Ellis?
I suppose the DNA tests will be revealed the day after Obama accepts our party’s nomination.
I have no further use for Edwards in the public sphere. None at all.
Fight back: moneybomb = $130,000 and climbing
Ok. I think it’s time for America to start to remember that public servants are human beings. Human beings do certain things that aren’t always perfect, and try to keep going on in life anyway.
Edwards, in the summer of 2006, has a sizzling hot, short-term sexual relationsip with a 42 yr-old, fully mature woman. Maybe it was a one nighter, maybe they did it a couple of times, but mostly out of some weak point in his ongoing human development, it felt good to only be john edwards again– sexy, virile, all alone in the world guy managing to blow some chick’s mind in bed. Not JOHN EDWARDS, perfect candidate, advocate, lawyer, husband, father. Ooooh, it felt good to not be anyone, to not be perfect.
Then, he either is caught, or has a huge attack of guilt and realizes he’s fucked up BIGTIME. He actually really loves his wife, his family. He forgot he has plans for the future, actually wants to do some good things for those less fortunate than himself by using his reputation and connections. Run for the Presidency maybe. So he distances himself from Hotlips, while at the same time trying to maintain a safe, “cordial” relationship with this ticking time bomb, who now has moved on to fucking some OTHER woman’s husband. Meanwhile, John Edwards confesses to his wife, they agonize like every married couple who experiences infidelity. Yet they find a way to come together, to make their marriage stronger and better than it was before the affair, also like so many other couples. She forgives him, and they recommit to one another. And they move on.
Then Hotlips manages to suck the sperm out of someone, and at AGE 42 GETS HERSELF PREGNANT LIKE SHE’S SOME TEENAGER.
Fast forward. He’s running for the nomination for President. He’s being dogged by reporters trying to dig up dirt, especially trying to prove he’s the father of Hotlip’s child. His beloved wife has a recurrence of her cancer, and he is even more devoted to her, and to their mutual goals.
What did you, or I, or anyone else expect him to do, anyway?
Okay, I’ll bite. It is West Virginia, can’t it be both?
I will say that I am shocked how much time the media is spending on this. I don’t expect them to spend time on Vicki, but give me a break..
If you believe this, why are you here, then?
I never favored Edwards since he had a profile on the Third Way website. I did value his expression of progressive ideals while campaigning.
How morally corrupt is America when it worries more about alleged adultery than International Crimes against Humanity?
Yeah, I don’t think, “Honey, I did it for the gene pool” is going to fly with most wives, husbands either for that matter.
I’m not so sure it was “short term”…
Well, there’s the Olympics and Russia invading Georgia (take that, Sam Nunn). In other words, not much going on.
Dam your right! So here it is Digg the Money bomb post
ME BAD:>)
FWIW, I read that someone close to Freeman stated that the divorce had been in process for a few months and was not an immediate reaction to the accident.
Yeah, it’s not his sister but her environment 50 miles from a grocery store.. Unfortunately he also is a colon cancer survivor and 4 hours from a good medical facility.. He did tell my sons that he is not close to them because I planned the social activities.. So forgive me if I’m a tad harsh on Edwards, Clinton, McCain or the rest of the gentleman who don’t know how to zip it up….
Please!
My ZIP 60641
s14ck3r!
[dugg]
Typical DLC “New Democrat” which Edwards was and his voting record in the Senate showed. Edwards is just like the Clintons after after all. DLCers have an amazing penchant for dishonesty.
Glad Obama has rejected them his whole career.
Actually, I would think you are pleased at there being political coverage 24/7.
Do you think the CFR got any publicity in the days before it was covered?
Seems like 24/7 coverage means there’s more of an opportunity for you to “get the word out” about things than there was when folks allowed everything to happen behind closed doors during all the off election times.
Yes! Cindy got the sigs!!!111
Russia was acting as a peace keeper in So Ossetia, IMO… John McCain might have a different view though since his campaign advisors work for the GA government.
Not every husband cheats on his wife; and many couples have their own arrangements in a marriage, which aren’t any of our nevermind. I don’t think it’s fair to bash all men because some men have cheated on their wives.
Yeah,
I can see how that would fly in my house.
Like a plate at my head.
No, forgive me. I knew the comment was a risky venture. I share your contempt for the people who rank a momentary thrill above their family and career.
In hopes of getting my country back from those who have stolen it. Every single topic discussed on ever political blog results in in depth revelations on that particular topic. Where is the blog that connects ALL the dots? Who is focused on the forest, rather that all these trees?
We have all been conditioned to shun conspiracy theorists. Who conditioned us? Those engaged in the largest conspiracy your mind could possibly conceive.
As long as they keep us focused on rearranging the deck chairs and blaming the other 50% of our friends and neighbors for our problems, the iceberg remains hidden.
Al of this shit is just shit. We’ve got a country to save, and analyzing the political landscape is not the solution, it’s the problem. Do you REALLY believe that the CFR and AIPAC didn’t know about Edward’s affair the day after he first slept with her? Who do you think they’re using those “Warrantless Wiretaps” on?
We’re ALL in this together. Look to those who choose to divide us as the problem, not the solution. The “two party system” IS THE PROBLEM.
The party is over.
Unite around revealing the entire truth. Expose the conspiracy for what it is. Connect ALL the dots.
If the purpose of Edwards’ campaign were just to stop Hillary, then he would have endorsed Obama immediately, back when it would have mattered. But let’s not fight the primaries all over again.
I was an early Edwards supporter, mostly because he put the poor and economic justice front and center. I’m very disappointed in him.
I’m not sure I would have changed my vote for Edwards in primary because of an affair. But, by then it was a protest vote to send a message that there were people who wanted more hard hitting campaigns and sensible policies.
I agree with commenters that we need to stand strong for more common sense in distinguishing between public and private morality.
So, Edwards, like many high power politicians can be a private sexual jerk. What else is new?
Cleveland was a good president in a time of bad sleazeball presidents. Did the the country sin by electing a guy who was paying child support for a kid from an affair with a ’scarlet woman’?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grover_Cleveland
Ma! Ma! Where’s my pa? Gone to the White House ha ha ha!
Sad to think that we could not elect a Cleveland now, the country has regressed even from the depths of the Victorian age.
It will be interesting when the first high profile woman politician gets one of her affairs called out in public. That will really be a High Crisis, givn this country’s chronic, pathetic, hypocritical and leering sexual panic.
But, it will probably, in reality, have nothing to do with fitness for public office, and everything to do with prudish nonsense of the public culture and media, and be important only in terms of personal human frailty that has existed since the beginning of the species.
I knew someone who was married to a man who was able to compartmentalize his life, such that his personal (im)morals and his business ethics were (far as anyone could tell) altogether different. He would never have cheated on his company. His wife? Different story.
Never tumbled to the fact that “my candidate,” John Edwards, was an apparent clone of that amoral dude. I gave John Edwards my money, my loyalty, my support. And since there were so many who did, I’m not the only one who was screwed.
(((Elizabeth Edwards)))
w3rd
I do not personally hold anything against JRE for infidelity – it is simply none of my business. But I cannot comprehend the disconnect between going thru this kind of rocky bit of marriage – and deciding that it would not matter in a run for the presidency, in this political climate.
I don’t believe marital infidelity disqualifies a person from being able to be a good president, or even a moral leader. I don’t know anyone who is perfect morally, and those who claim to be close seem to largely be hypocrites.
But reality is – that this kind of “news” would clearly be used to take down a candidate, and could be enough to lose an election.
So, what was he thinking? I feel like I’m missing information here, but I don’t even know if I want to know more. I’m overloaded.
I agree with you 100%!! I was an Edwards supporter, and I hope he and his family can get past that. JMHO.
OK, I’m letting out my inner sophomore on this:
It was only sex, hot, sticky, mind numbing sex. I’m sorry what was I saying again?
When Bill Clinton heard this, he laughed so hard the woman he was with fell out of bed.
Minus the $15,000 a month, she meant nothing to me.
Edwards spoke about two Americas, one for each face.
Apparently Edwards’ boyish good looks were not the only thing boyish about him.
No problem, it’s just that we had been married 30 plus years and his sister did not come down from the hills to sit with him during chemo or surgery.. so you can detect lots of bitterness.. I almost bought my sons Heidi on tape for xmas.. I really thought that Edwards was impeachable.
To quote the Dixie Chicks, I Ain’t Ready To Make Nice!
While I was most impressed by Edward’s policies coming into this campaign, I was never quite sold on Edwards, the man. Why?
He was pumped up to be the Dem super star after being first elected to the Senate. He ran for Pres against Kerry, then as his VP nominee. I was glad he didn’t get the nomination because I didn’t think he was ready or had the experience to run in prime time. When Kerry chose him as his VP nominee, I was less than impressed with his run as VP nominee. Where was the spark, that superstardom that we had been led to believe was there? At the time I saw it as his having to take a back seat to Kerry, I had to admit after that he essentially added nothing to the campaign.
In the current campaign, he fizzled out early, and it did not surprise me. Had he run for re-election to the Senate in NC, in 2004 instead of running as Kerry’s VP nominee, there is no doubt in my mind that he would have lost his seat.
I have nothing more to add to Jane’s “incredibly stupid”! Too bad that someone that had potential turned out to be a dud.
Swopa, haven’t read the comments yet so maybe this has been discussed. Didn’t Obama say something about having Elizabeth work on his health team? He didn’t promise John anything…maybe John was honest with Barack when they met at Edwards’ home.
Thanks for the thoughts. You’re probably right, in terms of my support and why I donated my money.
But I have to assume that many of the people who donated, and especially those who volunteered, did so because they really wanted him to be President. And they might have been happy to bank on a long shot, but much less willing to help someone who had zero intention of winning himself.
I think it is a poor assumption to underestimate the hubris of any really successful trial lawyer/politician type.
It is entirely conceivable to ne that Edwards migh have thought he could brush over that indiscression.
Look at Elliot Spitzer.
(Actually that is unfair – no one should have to look at Elliot Spitzer)
Look at McCain leaving a cripple for a hot blond heirress.
Look at Rudy dumping his wife on the radio.
(no – you don’t really have to look at any of them)
My disappointment in Edwards is tempered only by my relief that he is not the presumptive nominee. Say what you will about McSame, the odds are greatly against any recent illegitimate offspring. I am glad to not have to face that silly argument.
Interesting . . . would explain a lot.
I read on Time’s site that she has a speaking role, but not him..
Is there a statute of limitations on cheating on your wife, wrt McCain? The only thing different is Edwards stayed with his sick wife but McCain left his sick wife. Although this is a terrible thing for Edwards to have done to the party, it seems to me that it will hurt McCain in the end if they keep playing it up.
And let’s not be forgetting Newtie.
rimshot
crash
I appreciate that we are honest on this site and we don’t try to sugar coat the facts. We are all disappointed and we will all move on, but we won’t hide our disappointment.
try as I may he just won’t go away
I love sophomoric, or 3rd grade, humor. Thanks.
Arrrrgh!! That is pretty far down the pecking order (no pun intended, but it’s rather apt, isn’t it?!) of what’s important here. Just sayin’.
Oh, and one more thing, Newt and McCain are both a**holes..
Chemo day cameo. Adieu!
Sorry Swopa, I can’t go with you on this theory. This is not a new circumstance and it’s doesn’t have to involve be very difficult to figure out. It happens. People rationalize and actually do believe that it won’t come out, no one will be hurt, and they still have something to offer. I am disappointed that he would have taken a chance with all of our futures, but don’t think its more complicated than that. I certainly don’t think brooding Hillary supporters have any additional reason to fill cheated.
Really? Thanks for clarifying that. It makes me feel a little better because I love Morgan Freeman and the thought of him doing a “Newt Gingrich” was a little too much to bear. ;-)
The woman in question had an affair with a married man…let’s start with that. She knew his wife was a cancer survivor. She knew they had lost a son.
Affairs happen many times because one or both of the participants are seeking something that is missing in their lives. John Edwards lost a son, his wife is seriously ill, he lost an election….along comes a shoulder to cry on and next thing you know…badabing..
Elizabeth Edwards lost a son, has a dire illness, is married to a man who lost an election…and now has to deal with a complete betrayal of trust from her most beloved husband.
Why can’t other people stay the heck out of the lives of people who are suffering….some of these people are predators….some of them are confidants…and some of them are lovers.
If the child story turns out to be true….well, it just makes me want to puke.
Elizabeth Edwards did not deserve this. It will haunt John forever. Sad, very sad.
My thoughts and prayers go out to ya, barbara! *g*
When I saw Russian tanks rolling into Georgia on the same day the Olympics started, the timing sure seems intentional. It is quite possible that within 24 hours, Iran will be attacked as well.
You’ve got China sidelined by its hosting of the Olympics and Bush in attendance.
Putin and Israel may have struck a deal whereby Israel would ensure no retaliation against Russian by the US for its invasion of Georgia, while Putin would turn a blind eye to Israel’s planned attack on Iran. Quid pro quo – with both the US and China on the sidelines – and the Olympics as the backdrop.
Israel and Russia are more in charge of global events that the US at this point. Watch for Israel to launch a false flag attack, purported to come from Iran, imminently.
If it is against a US Naval vessel, consider it to be USS Liberty – Part Deux.
Here comes a world war, right in the middle of a good sex scandal. Damn.
Bush41 too.
“It wasn’t my fault. I blame those snorg tee-shirt ads.”
“I had a Republican moment.”
“It reminded me of my Vice Presidential campaign. Wait, I didn’t say that.”
Because sexual morality is “easy” to understand, and is the stuff of everyday life, while International Crimes against Humanity are more “foreign” to the stuff of our everyday existence?
It must be a corollary of one of C. Northcott Parkinson’s laws: A committee will argue for hours over who makes the coffee in the morning, because that’s something they know about, but will wisk a resolution on a local nuclear power plant through in 15 minutes because they really don’t know anything about it except what someone they trust told them to say about it.
Bob in HI
That’s funny.
See, where the “democrats” go wrong is that they have “normal” sex and the corporate media can broadcast it day and night.
Nah…W looked into Putie’s soul…saw it comin’ and said..go for it Putie…
There is nothing the US can do. Nothing. Russia looked the other way when W went into Iraq and Afghanistan.
They made a deal.
Totally understand. Unless there’s an agreement between a couple to allow it, infidelity is inexcusable IMO, whether the adulterer is male or female or both. Especially if they’ve had kids! It’s about trust and commitment and health.
No excuses. Be an adult. If someone isn’t getting what they want, they need to talk about it and find solutions that work for them.
Yes, cheaters are typically male. Yes, “boys will be boys” and cheat, but men will be men and be able to control themselves. I’m always amazed by any male friends of mine who don’t seem too bothered by cheating. In some of these cases, I know for a fact that their female mates were turning down advances from other men very often, while they claim “it’s just the way were wired.” Pathetic.
In an incredibly sexist world, women especially deserve better treatment than that.
Adios Edwards, ya child. Good luck to Elizabeth and her children.
you weren’t the only one to notice.
Are you sure about Edwards and the DLC? Didn’t seem so, to me.
Bob in HI
I’m just waiting for the two-faced Republicans’ reply to this. And the MSM has been complicit as well. After all, the media was silent on the 1st Bush’s honey, who worked for the State Department.
Whew, plunger, you see conspiracies around every corner, eh? I won’t quibble with many of your arguments’ main contentions about the Media being in bed with the Pols, or CFR’s and AIPAC’s undue influence on our Pol’s approach to our Foreign Relations, but, you’re rapidly losing credibility…
Christy’s upstairs. It’s time to say good by to Edwards, IMO…
Good news! Thanks! Time for everyone to not only do the money bomb, but ActBlue!
Bob in HI
So you agree with my premise on those elements you identified, have not identified anything you can refute with facts or links, and are essentially swiftboating the messenger?
Read through everything posted here, and get back to me with the stuff you can disprove factually – with links:
http://plungerspeaks.blogspot.com
If the word “conspiracy” disturbs you so, just admit that. But if you cannot identify any factual inaccuracies in my postings, don’t question my credibility.
Elizabeth Edwards has a diary about today on Kos:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..473/564989
Rielle Hunter’s past as a party girl is apparently true, but I’ll bet you were unaware of it until the story of this affair broke earlier this week. Is Jay McInerney a personal friend? Brett Easton Ellis? And RH was using a different name back then. Who said she was unbalanced? They said wild, huge difference.
Why don’t we just wait a couple of weeks and then grade your paper?
I think Elizabeth would welcome the baby girl into the family if she is John’s. It would take a lot of guts, but she’s got ‘em.
Thanks for this moment of clarity. Don’t why it’s so hard for some to realize that Obama won by superior ideas, strategy, and most importantly leadership.
Edwards and Obama developed an elaborate plan together to bring down the mighty House Of Clinton?!? Please. Althoughhhhhh….do Edwards and Tony Rezko have any connections? Perhaps we’ll be seeing a post by a fellow “Democrat” raising this question in the near future.
Harriet Christian must be on the edge of her seat.
Good idea!
Edwards said his deeply held religious beliefs keep him from personally supporting gay marriage, but that as a political leader he could separate that out in favor of civil unions. Commendable. It was one of the many reasons I supported him so much.
So these deeply held religious beliefs were not enough to keep him from honoring his sanctioned, fully legal marriage vows and rights where he enjoyed tax benefits, and enormous political support that came from his spouse Elizabeth. And he lied while running for president about it.
That bothers me. I’m done with him.
Best, best, best, Barbara.
You could be right. Edward Albee has a recent play called “The Goat” that he says is about how people can do awful, unthinkable things (you can guess from the title) and yet see themselves as fully justified and acting rationally.
John Edwards’ statement today about narcissism and believing he was special may be an allusion to that (the way of thinking, not the Albee play).
Yes, you’re right. I still have an Edwards bumper sticker on my car, and I think I’m going to leave it there– because his campaign stood for the things that I stand up for. For me, that bumper sticker is a symbol of those *issues,* and Edwards’ stance on them.
Bob in HI
Bob you made that very clear. And John knew going in he was carrying the baggage the other candidates were able or willing to do.
I do question the credibility of many of your links… Many of them seem to be grasping at straws, however, they do have some basic facts right. But, it stretches incredulity being taken to the extremes they infer…!
Here’s the difference between Republican morality and Democrat morality (tabloid version): With Democrats, its OK if you have an affair with someone of the opposite sex, as long as you don’t go to war, and do a good job of running the government. If you’re a Republican, however, it doesn’t matter if you go crashing around the world like an elephant in a china shop, raining destruction and death all around, as long as you’re faithful to your wife.
Well, the above isn’t really true, but somehow I liked the symmetry of it.
Bob in HI
Heh. Mine came off the day after Super Tuesday (the day my state voted). And I actually wound up voting for Obama.
I’m not contending that I agree with everything on every link. I am absolutely positive however that a conspiracy more vast than any you can imagine has been and continues to be pulled off right under your nose. It’s not a suspicion or a guess, I know it for a stone cold fact.
9/11 and the anthrax attacks were the same attack – by Cheney, Mossad and Rumsfeld in concert with the Crown, CFR/Rockefeller/Bush41 and other interests.
There is no “Osama Bin Laden”
These are facts.
Keepin mine for NOLA and poor workers.
LOL So far, this is the best part of hearing this news.
Well…as a NC resident here…gotta say that when Edwards left folks with “Who Would Jesus Bomb” signs out in the cold one night before we invaded Iraq and refused to come out and speak to us because the Fund Raiser he was attending was more important than answering the Democratic protestors who had
had canvassed and donated to elect him to replace the odious Lauch Faircloth (Jesse Helm’s handpicked) well…I kinda got where he was coming from way back then. Turncoat, opportunist! Nothing he’s done since then gave me hope that he wasn’t what he showed us that night we stood out their with our signs armed with info from the “budding, young internet” that this invasion of Iraq was not only “morally” wrong but illegal.
I have watched Elizabeth Edwards bloom into the kind of person I would have wanted to support as a candidate for Democratic Office. She’s smart, knows her stuff, articulate and a fighter.
What’s sad is that her husband was made of weaker cloth. That his antics could cost us this election by him waiting so long to reveal his truth while his family knew. and felt if they stayed silent they might still give him a chance to achieve his goals shows much of what’s wrong with politics today.
That Edwards family “covered for him” and allowed so many thousands of hopefuls and Candidate OP’s to invest their time and money into his candidacy while they were all covering up something that could ruin Dems chances once again to take back the White House is beyond understanding.
Even the most egocentric, entitled in both parties would have known that with a profile of running as Veep to John Kerry and then declaring themself as the new “Populist/Progressive” in the next Presidential Election would certainly open one up to intense scrutiny. If Edwards didn’t learn from the “Swiftboaters” who went against Kerry…he surely should have.
I give my praise to Elizabeth and my prayers are with her and her family…but there’s really something VERY WRONG with JOHN and his EGO that he would allow this lie of an affair he had to go on with denials years ago and now with a weak denial that will be fodder for the “Talking Heads” in Media for a month to come…just before our Dem Convention.
It makes one wonder about the “ego/machismo” of some politicians who think they will Never be Outed..not matter what they do. That their friends and paid OP’s will cover for them no matter what.
It’s sad…it always comes to a bad end…and whether it’s Repugs or Dems who do these antics and think they can get away with it…it hurts the voting turn out by proving that in the minds of many who choose not to vote that “politicians are all the same…so why bother.”
This needs to end. American People are very forgiving if you don’t lie about what you did.
It’s a sad situation with Edwards. I don’t take comfort in figuring he was
without a conscience when I and others stood with our protest signs outside Dem Fundraiser that night in Raleigh, NC. He has proved that “first instincts” when one encounters another in a circumstance that requires a moral decision can often be very revealing.