I hope everyone watching the anthrax/Bruce Ivins case has been reading Marcy's stellar work, particularly her delving of the Justice Department's selective document dump yesterday (see especially her wrapup on the documents and the timeline she constructed, as well as this morning's note). The bottom line: "they haven't solved this crime, but they want us to all go away and pretend they have."
Some of the evidence presented is fairly damning, to be sure. There's a big red flag in the middle this affidavit: Ivins gave the FBI false anthrax samples during their investigation of the mailings in April 2002. What's particularly noteworthy is that he appeared to be hiding the fact that his lab samples (which he originally did not hand over) matched the samples in the mailings.
Besides being extraordinarily suspicious behavior (Ivins' explanations were far from convincing) this sort of non-cooperation is also obstruction of justice. And that, no doubt, was a club the FBI began holding over his head to get his cooperation in the years that followed.
It's also worth noting that this event happened only days before Ivins was involved in discovering an anthrax leak at the lab, an event that set off a panic within Fort Detrick. (The Frederick News Post published an excellent series describing this event.)
At the same time, you have to be struck by some of the FBI's behavior that emerges from these papers as well as other documents. The Washington Post story following the dump covers this well: It really was an extraordinary pattern of constant harassment, including showing up at a supermarket with autopsy photos to tell Ivins' wife that he had killed those people.
I've been around federal law enforcement for a long time, and agents almost never engage in tactics like that unless they are dead certain they have their man and are trying to shake him into a misstep. Problem is, I've also seen agents be wrong about that.
What stands out in these documents is what we've gotten so far from the leaks (almost certainly coming from an investigator) that have fed us most of the public information about the case against Ivins: Namely, there are tons of cause for suspicion, and even a reasonable circumstantial case to make against Ivins, but it's a dubious proposition at best that this evidence would have yielded a conviction -- it's more likely, in fact, that it wouldn't have.
Indeed, it's likely that Ivins would still be alive if their case against him had been stronger. After all, they could easily have taken him into custody after his release from the hospital where he was treated just before his suicide -- but probably didn't because their case was so weak and they feared it would be dismissed outright if they grabbed him.
What the public has to work on so far are affidavits for search warrants -- which are fine for establishing probable cause, but don't do diddly for establishing actual guilt. They may have gotten a good crack on the case, but the FBI is far from having solved it.
Indeed, the affidavit contains several inconsistencies. One of the key pieces of evidence it raises is his mysterious late-night work around the time of the attacks, emphasizing his refusal to explain what he was working on. Yet a later section quotes an e-mail showing showing that Ivins resumed work on a vaccine project at this time. And the “unusual” pattern of night work is clearly shown to have begun in August, well before the Al Qaeda attacks on New York and Washington, D.C. -- meaning if Ivins was working on the attacks then, he conceived them before 9/11. And yet whoever was responsible for the attacks was clearly piggybacking off them (see the phony "Muslim" content of the letters).
This incoherency is also evident in the concluding final section, which makes clear that investigators are continuing to look outside of Fort Detrick for the location and the equipment used in making the anthrax and the letters. (It also makes it unlikely that the lyopholizer used in making the anthrax was the one recently linked to Ivins in news reports based on the leaks.)
Even if Ivins can be linked with hard evidence, the case still has many unresolved issues, particularly whether Ivins had any co-conspirators (the affidavits even indicate this was a possibility). And then there are the larger issues about what was happening at Fort Detrick -- why security was so lax, and whether the facility was violating the international bioweapons convention if it was making this anthrax.
But it's clear the Justice Department wants to walk away from this case -- and with someone linked closely to Scooter "Germ Boy" Libby calling the shots, that seems increasingly likely. Hopefully, Congress will have something to say about that.
[Thanks to Warbaby for the links and pointers.]
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Morning, David;
If the FBI were ‘certain’, and had sufficient ‘evidence’, then they would have arrested Ivins. The harrassment was designed to frighten and intimidate, and suggests that the FBI, in fact, did not, and perhaps, still yet, do not have such ‘evidence’.
Is it possible that this administration can do anything that isn’t tainted with doubt? This case smells like 3 day old fish to me.
Congress?
Say ’something’?
Do ’something’?
Surely, you jest, David?
There will be sternly-worded letters, perhaps …
this whole case sooo stinks…
How about a seven year old fish
I’ve always believed that if he was the one, it was because he was given orders from someone to do it. Also, I think when “they” turned on him, and that set off his rage as expressed to his so-called “theripist”….Seeing that he apparently began it before 9/11..well, that sure is convenient timing isn’t it?…and the investigators have connections to Libby….and that Cheney and crew immediately tried to link the attacks to AQ and Iraq. Well….ooooh…boy…it has my tinfoil bangin’ on the door.
Mock me relentlessly.
As far as the general public is concerned, the most convincing evidence that Ivins was guilty will be the fact that he committed suicide. An innocent man would have remained alive to prove his innocence, that will be the reasoning.
In the case of Ivins, however, he appears to have been a deeply troubled man. It was discovered that he had rented a P.O. box under an assumed name where he received pornographic materials. He complained of delusions and voices. The reason people commit suicide is because they cannot bear the pain any more, either physical or emotional pain, of continuing to live. Ivin’s guilt could have driven him to suicide, but his severe emotional distress compounded by the impending indictment in spite of his innocence could have had the same result.
I suggest that you get a large supply of tinfoil. We are going to need a lot of it in the next 6 months. We also could run out of brain bleach. :)
and I’ll be disappointed if said missives do not include “deeply troubling”
Anthrax, just another policy marketing tool.
I quite agree, without that sentiment, clearly expressed and perhaps even underlined, we should have to doubt Congressional sincerety, cbl2.
Mock me relentlessly.
nah. I think that folks around here, and the American public in general, have come to realize that the powers-that-be (soon to be powers-that-been) are capable of anything imaginable.
With the exception of anything to do with the 9-11 attack, of course…
That’s exactly right. When you read the pattern of harassment the FBI engaged in, and then realize that it had a very long duration … even an innocent man could crack under that strain. And Ivins appears not to have been very stable to begin with. One could easily see him concluding that his life, like Hatfill’s, was being destroyed.
OTOH, there is some very powerful evidence here that he was involved.
i don’t think we know that there was obstruction of justice here. lots of people had access to that flask and we don’t have a chain of custody for any of the samples. given the level of incompetence the fbi has shown in this investigation, i’m unwilling to assume they followed good procedures here - at least until they provide the necessary documentation.
furthermore the details (methods and data) of the genetic testing hasn’t been made public. with that info, and based on what seems like incomplete testing (from what i’ve read so far and compared with published procedures) - i remain unconvinced by their reports of genetic “fingerprint” analysis.
Remember when Libby said that he was familiar with Judy Miller’s work on germs….
Remember the Aspens are turning letter to Judy, where he referred to stories of bioterrorism to come…
Remember that Judy got an email from David Kelly the day before he died…
From bombs to bacteria …
What a chock-full toolbox is a our service, tw3k.
How fortunate we are, indeed.
Our empire is at its zenith, one cannot imagine anything but decline, henceforth.
And to think we have had the wonderful good fortune to have lived to have seen out nation in all her completest glory.
May the gods be praised!!!
hey LS,
if the date is 8/6/01, I’ll be out back waiting for the black helicopters !
At the time of this terrorist attack I worked for the health insurance company for the Mail Handlers union. This was a scary thing for the postal workers and there was some discussion that it might be an effort to mess with their union.
You are more optimistic than I about this once great nation.
Dave.
This a personal and extremely heartfelt “thank you” for all the hard work and attention to detail you’re putting into this.
It’s too bad that the FBI, as an organization, cannot find it within themselves to do the same.
Well then, you obviously have not received your rose-colored glasses.
Mine look just like the aviator glasses worn by ‘Buffalo Chips’ Mc$ame, I am so proud.
Uh, have you been religiously polishing you lapel pin, tw?
One should do so right after morning ablutions.
That “thank you” also extends to emptywheel. I just looked over the timeline she constructed.
Sweet chocolate jesus, that’s damning.
I guess my brand of feedup desn’t have a logo yet.
I know it’s probably silly to ask this but is Congress looking into this investigation/suicide at all?
Yeah, the thing about this is that I’m certain there are agents within the FBI who have been working hard on this case, but you know the manpower and resources for cases like this are being diverted nowadays.
OTOH, there is some very powerful evidence here that he was involved.
So why wasn’t his security clearance yanked? Because they were watching him to see if he returned to his behavior of so many years ago? Right.
I’ve mentioned this once before, but: my son, who will need at least some kind of security clearance when he gets to his eventual MOS in the Army, was filling out a health-related questionnaire. On a question asking “have you ever suffered from anxiety?”, first he checked yes, then erased it and checked “no”. His entire recruitment process came to a screeching halt, and it took him a couple of extra months, with the burden on him, to produce medical records showing that he was *not* suffering from anxiety, go through a period of waiting while the records were shipped off and examined, etc.
And Ivins is a murder suspect, with demonstrated mental issues, and he keeps his clearance?
Right.
my bold.
yep. as i wrote in an email: it reminds me too much of the easy cruelty of our torture and detention programs – meant to break and destroy people, not to pursue the facts or any kind of justice I’d recognize.
I see the FBI had offered his son the reward and “a sports car of his choice”
my gawd, think of what a 1st year law student would do with something like that in court - let alone a Gerry Spence or Roy Black
Indeed so.
Marcy and those commenting on her threads are educating us, daily, and deserve heart-felt praise and far wider appreciation.
Dr. Accountability is a national treasure.
lyotholizer => lyopholizer
i don’t see it.
not saying he isn’t guilty of everything the fbi says - but the so called evidence i’ve seen so far (and i haven’t read all the docu dump yet) is, imo, either bogus, inconclusive or assertion without the supporting evidence.
maybe i’ve missed it, but if so - will someone point it out to me?
I gather intimidation of suspects is standard operating procedure in U.S. law enforcement. The severity of the intimidation methods used is probably inversely proportional to the strength of the existing evidence, resulting in many false confessions and wrongful convictions. If that is true, the evidence against terror suspects at Guantanamo and elsewhere must be very weak indeed.
lieophilizer
i had a friend who was severely bipolar and had what could be interpreted at other issues. no problem with the security clearance - but he never tried to pretend otherwise.
I don’t buy that. The FBI is just another ideological agency that produces policy driven products.
“lieophilizer”
This is a critical useful tool in the toolbox of Lieophilosophy.
Check out the cast of characters…Bush…Albaugh…Whittington (the guy Cheney shot in the face)…and note that Joe Albaugh became head of Emergent Solutions (Anthrax vaccine company)…now, this article is talking about a scandal in Texas pre-2000…and the company it is talking about went on to become the body baggers for NOLA after Katrina. This was going to be my subject if diaries ever came to be, but I’ll throw this tidbit out there now:
http://www.bushwatch.com/gravedigger.htm
You’re probably right to be skeptical of this aspect. However, there are circumstances in which entrenched players within a bureaucracy — especially ones with heavy corporate backing like Ivins had (he was Bioport’s man at Dedrick) — get to skate on the rules that apply to everyone else. I’ve wondered if that was at play here, though I wouldn’t be able to know unless I had some time to hang out in Maryland (not an option).
Or he might be politically/socially connected, especially through his activism with pro-life outfits. Again, someone within the Beltway area would have to be doing the sniffing ’bout on that.
No, actually, it’s not, especially within the FBI, which is why I remarked on it. It’s not unheard of, but it’s unusual especially for federal agents who typically work hard to make their surveillance secret.
The FBI had no case against Ivins, period. It had the same kind of circumstantial evidence against him that it had against Hatfill and which probably could have been developed against most of the other researchers at Fort Detrick. All the FBI had was that there was or likely was a Fort Detrick connection to the attacks, and this has been known almost from the beginning. Ivins’ “red flags” are offset by other things which were not red flags or by comparable “red flags” that could be assigned to other people.
What we have here is not the presentation of a case but the construction of a narrative. The FBI and DOJ are using a standard Republican tactic. They are telling us a story. Yes, it’s full of holes and inconsistencies but it is their story and they are sticking to it. “The surge was a success,” “we don’t torture,” “coercive interrogations have saved American lives,” “the telecoms were just doing their patriotic duty,” “no one could have predicted,” the list is practically endless. The point of such narratives is to create a politically acceptable explanation. Accuracy is unimportant. Plausibility, especially if no one looks too closely, is.
that’s kind of scary.
I’ve got a client right now I’m trying to work out a “get out of town by sundown” deal for (’join the military and we’ll drop everything’) who is also bi-polar, disclosed it, and has a letter from the National Guard essentially saying “No problem, come on in”. This particular kid will never be looking at a security clearance issue however.
heck if I know.
I was under the impression that ‘Top Secret’ clearance is taken very seriously indeed, and have *heard* that it takes up to a year to conclude the extensive background check. Surely there is a procedure in place to periodically review those who have such clearance.
Actually he wasn’t.
http://anthraxvaccine.blogspot.....doubt.html
see point 7.
chs has two left feet upstairs.
Two words: Karl Rove
exactly.
Christy’s upstairs.
http://firedoglake.com/2008/08.....ris-style/
These investigations are conducted by the FBI
See…Rove…WH…Wolfowitz…Emergent Solutions…all well before 9/11…April, 2001:
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/....._0807.html
i didn’t (this was something like 20 years ago) think it was scary then and i don’t now. he had excellent social support, got himself hospitalized during the occasional manic phases and as far as i know was never a danger to anyone (possibly himself but i really don’t know). he was also a brilliant scientist.
i don’t know what level of security clearance he got - but it involved interviews with his personal and professional friends and colleagues.
One of the things that flashed a big red flag for me is the fact that they can’t place Ivins anywhere near New Jersey at the time the letters were mailed from there. If he had used a mail forwarding service we would most likely have seen a victim from that activity.
That’s why I theorize that maybe he made the anthrax because he was ordered to and then gave it to somebody who then mailed them. Then 6 1/2 years later, they turned on him and he is now silenced.
I would think that if he did this on “orders from above,” our illustrious dimwitted FBI would have a little more solid evidence than they do. From what I’ve read and heard they have very little other than circumstantial evidence on Ivins. Not to say he didn’t do it but I’d like somebody to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he did before I go looking for unknown co-conspirators from above.
SD…you are right…I meant to say “If” he was involved…I should have clarified that.
Yeah, I’ve probably watched too much TV. I recall the FBI was the first to raise private objections to treatment of detainees.
Ditto. I’d go further and say I feel pretty unmoved right now by some of the reporting that links Ivins to the crime.
In terms of the suicide, I can only think back on the Hoover Boy’s commie baiting days. A prof. of mine, covering the author Richard Wright, told us that the FBI files on Wright were heartbreaking to read. He stressed heartbreaking (Wright, I guess had been pegged a commie, which he was at one point in his life, and deemed worthy of harassment by Hoover.) At any rate, Wright developed some paranoia and died early of a heart attack I believe. (I should wikipedia that) But that is not an unusual story. Harrassment and stalking can cause an unbelievable amount of stress on the person it’s directed at. I’ve had some experience of this, and it was just one guy and not the FBI!
G*dess you say that well.
The Hooverish aspects of the Ivins debacle are all too-familiar for those of a ‘certain’ age as well as for those possessing a ’sufficient’ grasp of ‘Bunk’ (also known, outside of ‘Murkah, as ‘history’), mui1.
Hehe!
I should point out too it is not clear that Ivins committed suicide. He had apparently been mixing alcohol and medications for a while and had previously been found unconscious or impaired. He could have accidentally OD’ed. This is supported by the fact that he left no suicide note.
You want to see what a total media blackout looks like?
Go to Google News and enter this:
“dr. philip zack”
It returns only 1 result.
Then go to Google blogs - and you’ll get 47 results
The ONLY media outlet even mentioning Dr. Zack is www.antiwar.com
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=13251
You think it’s just a coincidence that there is a total media blackout re: Dr. Philip Zack?
Are you patronizing me?
No.
Merely wishing there were many more Americans who are able (and willing) to ’see’.
I could not be more serious.
Sorry if my comment seemed otherwise, mui.
Well even that. Not to be morbid, but if a person is really trying to commit suicide, codeine tylenol and maybe alcohol is not exactly fail-proof, especially if the wife was around. I get the impression from WaPo that the alcoholism became acute around the time of the investigation. My opinion? Even if Ivins accidentally killed himself, the FBI bears some responsibility for goading a troubled man into risky behavior.
Hey it’s okay.
I have heard second hand of other scientists working on sensitive *cough* projects who have mental health histories. This is a problem that afflicts one in . . . I dunno, fill in the blank 10, 20 Americans. (I saw an ad to that effect.) I get pretty furious when mood disorders are equated with capacity for criminality.
Bruce Ivins is a paint job.
Obama ‘08
Hugh, Selise do you have any direct linkage to your take on the FBI cases against Hatfil/Ivin?
I couldn’t agree with you more!!
It pains and angers me to hear how this man, who clearly suffered from a mental illness, has been defamed and demonized.
Manic Depression or Bi-Polar disorder is a serious disease, my own mother suffers from it.
It’s horrible, particularly if you’re the one who has it or has to live with someone who does, and I had thought we’d moved far enough into the 21st century that we wouldn’t be denigrating those who suffer from it.
i agree about the criminality part. otherwise, i don’t know… i’d guess it would depend on the particular situation and person. but i think there is a lot of irrational fear mongering going on - even here. should we require mental health screening for everyone who wants to buy a carving knife? or get a driver’s license?
this drive to live in a perfectly safe world and control all risks is… well, just nuts. imho. *g*
Both were circumstantial in nature
Both focused on a particular individual to the exclusion of all others
Both involved heavyhanded surveillance techniques amounting to harassment
Both involved trying the suspect in the press
I base a lot of what when on with Hatfill from the suit he filed against the government.
http://fl1.findlaw.com/news.fi.....603cmp.pdf
not me. i’m just reading and throwing out my opinions (as per usual). here and a bit a jim white’s blog.
Oh yeah, been to the pharmacy lately? Peer closely at the shelves where they place the most used pharmaceuticals. A good portion of them are antidepressants, Wellbutrin, the 20 types of prozac(exaggeration I know), but I once asked a pharm technician why those drugs were placed there. Easy access, the most requested was her answer. Me: wow, there must be a lot of people on antidepressants. Her: uh huh.
Okay, but right now I am relying on Greenwald. I enjoy hearing yours and Selise’s comments and wish you guys would post them somewhere on Hugh’s list.
I sympathize with you deeply. I have some family members as well who suffer.
@72. The again my interest in Big Pharma & sales, makes me a nosy neighbor.
Actually, Salon has discussed Zack, as has the Hartford Courant. Indeed, it was the Courant’s reporting that first brought him to light.
[Mod note: Gentle reminder to keep our copyright lawyers happy, please do not quote an entire article. A quote with a link is highly preferred, thank you.]
This ran in the WSJ two days ago. Mr. Spertzel, the author, was head of the biological-weapons section of that pesky group Unscom from 1994-99, and was a member of the Iraq Survey Group.
Bruce Ivins Wasn’t the Anthrax Culprit
By RICHARD SPERTZEL
August 5, 2008; Page A17
Over the past week the media was gripped by the news that the FBI was about to charge Bruce Ivins, a leading anthrax expert, as the man responsible for the anthrax letter attacks in September/October 2001.
But despite the seemingly powerful narrative that Ivins committed suicide because investigators were closing in, this is still far from a shut case. The FBI needs to explain why it zeroed in on Ivins, how he could have made the anthrax mailed to lawmakers and the media, and how he (or anyone else) could have pulled off the attacks, acting alone.
I believe this is another mistake in the investigation.
Let’s start with the anthrax in the letters to Sens. Tom Daschle and Patrick Leahy. The spores could not have been produced at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases, where Ivins worked, without many other people being aware of it. Furthermore, the equipment to make such a product does not exist at the institute.
Information released by the FBI over the past seven years indicates a product of exceptional quality. The product contained essentially pure spores. The particle size was 1.5 to 3 microns in diameter. There are several methods used to produce anthrax that small. But most of them require milling the spores to a size small enough that it can be inhaled into the lower reaches of the lungs. In this case, however, the anthrax spores were not milled.
What’s more, they were also tailored to make them potentially more dangerous. According to a FBI news release from November 2001, the particles were coated by a “product not seen previously to be used in this fashion before.” Apparently, the spores were coated with a polyglass which tightly bound hydrophilic silica to each particle. That’s what was briefed (according to one of my former weapons inspectors at the United Nations Special Commission) by the FBI to the German Foreign Ministry at the time.
http://online.wsj.com/article/…..11775.html
Bonus points to those who can name the crazed, lone nut who also seemed to be involved in a national security drama, but who must have had accomplices if you looked at the evidence more than superficially.
This American “lone nut” scenario will continue to arise as long as entrenched power can make it work without consequences.
No tin foil required, just study the evidence.
Brilliant and courageous scientist and researcher, Dr. Leonard Horowitz, has been addressing this very issue for years.
The CIA’s Role in the Anthrax Mailings:
Could Our Spies be Agents for Military-Industrial Sabotage, Terrorism, and Even Population Control?
Bravo to Firedoglake for addressing this charged issue … and may God bless and protect Dr. Horowitz and all doctors and scientists and activists and journalists speaking out such complex and highly controversial matters.
Health Lover Ilena Rosenthal
About your big red flag
Kemp says when investigators asked Ivins for an anthrax sample, he thought they were asking for a pure culture sample. It wasn’t until six weeks later that they called and said they had wanted something else.
http://www.npr.org/templates/s.....038;f=1001