Barack Obama may be poised to choose Evan Bayh of Indiana as his running mate. Bilerico has some reasons why:
1. The Olympics start on Friday and run until the Democratic convention starts. He won’t want to compete with the Olympics for press coverage. He’ll announce before the Olympics starts. If he announces on Wednesday morning, he’ll get coverage all day and be on the news cycle until the Opening Ceremonies knock him off the top spot.
2. Barack Obama is coming to the state on Tuesday afternoon for a campaign stop in Elkhart, Indiana. He’ll be attending with Evan Bayh. The press has been told to plan on staying until Wednesday afternoon/evening. Why would he spend so much time in Indiana with nothing on his public calendar?
3. Staying around Indiana allows Obama and Bayh to travel to Illinois, Michigan, and Ohio – all important states in this election. When you’ve just announced your VP, those are states you’ll want to visit – especially since Bayh’s reputation will help the most in those states.
4. The website ObamaBayh08.com is taken. For a tiny sliver of time late last week, you could type in the URL and you’d be forwarded to another site. Where do you think it took you? The Democratic Party website….
5. I just got an invite from the Obama campaign to attend an appearance on Wednesday that isn’t on Obama’s official calendar. Why not? The campaign said, "I can’t tell you what the event is about, but we want to make sure you have a ticket so you can cover it for the Bilerico Project. We want Bilerico Project to be there for this one."
Why shouldn’t Barack Obama pick Evan Bayh as his running mate? According to Dylan Matthews at Tapped, there are lots of reasons not to pick Evan Bayh. Here they are:
Bayh is well to the right of both Obama and the party at large. He not only voted to authorize the invasion of Iraq in 2002, he was an honorary co-chairman of the Committee to Liberate Iraq, along with Joe Lieberman and John McCain. If those associates weren’t bad enough, the group’s non-Senatorial members included Bill Kristol, James Woolsey, and McCain foreign policy guru Randy Scheunemann. Even in this Congress, Bayh voted for the relatively weak Levin amendment calling for redeployment but against the more hard-hitting Feingold amendment, which Obama and Clinton both supported.
Going through the rest of his voting record, it’s clear that Bayh sticks out like a sore thumb in the Democratic caucus. He has a 50% NARAL rating, he voted for a flag-burning amendment and bankruptcy reform, he’s "undecided" on a school prayer amendment, he supports John McCain’s proposal to boot Russia from the G8, and he supported the Kyl-Lieberman amendment that Obama made a key part of his critique of Clinton.
That’s not change America needs, that’s a legacy Senator going along with the Washington thinking and failed establishment policies. The Democratic party selected Barack Obama as our nominee for the express purpose of moving our party, and our country, away from these failed policies.
Don’t choose a fellow whose career is defined by these policies, Senator Obama. It’s the most important decision you will make before your Inauguration. And you can do better, sir. As you must.
Update (h/t commenter TexBetsy): Per Jeralyn, Evan Bayh’s staff has cancelled a planned Tuesday night baseball game:
Bayh’s team was scheduled to play "the One-Hitters", which is the team of Students for a Sensible Drug Policy. Team captain and SSDP executive director Kris Krane and SSDP’s Government Relations Director Tom Angell think something is up and there could be a big announcement Wednesday by Obama and Bayh.
Note: WaterTiger’s travelling, so Teddy has stepped up to bat for tonight, but the tiger will be back. (Ian)



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Aloha, Teddy!
bayh is a perennial bridesmaid whose name is trotted out every 4 years as a possible veep. i’m hoping he hears another chorus of bye bye bayh this election cycle.
Great post Teddy. If it’s Bayh, what a dispiriting choice by Obama.
Stop right there. Go no further, Senator.
Hey Teddy!
Why shouldn’t Barack Obama pick Evan Bayh as his running mate?
Simple. Bayh isn’t Christy!
Gee if Obama is thinking of Bayh why not go all the way and pick Lieberman instead? Bayh is a lot like grits: homogenized mush with nothing distinctive about it whatsoever.
and he sure as hell aint no marcy. bayh wouldn’t know a timeline if one bit him in the arse.
Bayh, bayh, netroots.
****groan****
Evan Bayh is two four-letter words.
Bayh tramples all over the Obama brand. Barack has carefully protected it, despite FISA and his attempt to compromise on offshore drilling. I hope today’s new ad about McCain’s oil-drilling donations is a move to more populist, anti-establishment messaging. Bayh would step all over that.
Hello, everyone!
If he picks Bayh, it will only confirm my impression that Obama is moving significantly to the right, as well as my initial judgment that Obama was just another DLC-style corporate Democrat. I will still vote for him, but I will have to hold my nose. close my eyes, and grit my teeth.
The war. Chairman of the DLC. Biggest tax cuts in Indiana history.
Among other things.
Thank you, and long time no see!
Ohhhh. Marcy would be a wonderful choice.
Besides, then I could say “I once did water exercise with our future VP. Once had dinner with her too.”
what other things? *waving hi to bt*
I hope this is just a feint to keep the MSM busy. Bayh Humbug!
Hello Teddy One!
ooooh, good one, EDP!
Has anyone thought how this ticket sounds?
Obama/Bayh
It sounds funny.
Remembering back to the Lamont campaign, he ran a smart, edgy race in the primary and a vapid, unfocused one in the general. I mention this because Obama is doing the same. He seems intent on removing any enthusiasm or reason for anyone to vote for him.
Bayh? O barf.
Are we going to have to hold our nose when we vote in Nov?
Hey, EDP! How’s your summer been going? Any big plans for the fall?
Evan Blah. Sigh.
I was hoping for someone more exciting but I could certainly understand it if he chose Bayh. He is white,
solidly mid-western (not a Yankee), physically attractive, soft-spoken, and very non-threatening.
Dreamy VPs
More and more, it’s becoming another example of voting for the lesser of 2 evils. If I didn’t hate McSame, so much–I’d stay home or write in “None of the Above”. God…not again! Just once, before I die, I want to vote with hope instead of disgust.
edp and diablesseblu – good to see ya again.
Co-chairing the committee to liberate Iraq — with John McCain! — is quire enough as far as I’m concerned. But there are other good reasons not to pick him. Politically, he couldn’t carry his state for Hillary Clinton against Barack!
Hey, Teddy! How’s things? Hello to Pat.
Well I will not be voting for Obama in November because of his support for the FISA Amendments Act. At this point, only the choice of Chris Dodd, Al Gore, or John Edwards for VP would impress me.
Be sure to sign WaterTiger’s headstand picture over at her place….
I have been waiting 35 years for that opportunity.
I didn’t know much about Bayh. It sounds like he won’t compliment Obama’s campaign at all. WTF? No one is an Obama clone, but whoever he picks need to further the agenda, not drag it down.
Things are good — how are you?
Waiting for my man to come home from work, as usual….
Dinner’s almost ready, though.
Living in sin is so — domestic!
So does Bush/Quayle…
and although i understand and agree with your reasons for why you feel that way, i’m gonna vote for a president that i can agree with some of the time instead of an r president i know i will disagree with all the time. guess that is why we have individual votes.
Evan Bayh is a Republican-Lite Red State Democrat. He’s got nothing to bring to the ticket except maybe the state of Indiana, which is doubtful. Obama needs a military type like Jim Webb. If he’s gonna choose a Milquetoast, he might as well go with Hillary. She’s got more testosterone and supporters than Bayh. Bayh really sucks.
I think the Democratic Consultancy crashes into any campaign in the general election. While I’m not sure we can blame Obama’s drift on Howard Wolfson and Lanny Davis (as they’ve both gone to FOX) I still the establishmentarians have gotten ahold of the message machine in Chicago.
Although today’s ad was a nice return to the punchiness of the primaries.
Sounds wonderful!!
I’m employed, for which i am duly greatful!! otherwise, nothing significant.
The last time this came up I pointed out that Bayh contributes nothing to an Obama ticket. Indiana is next door to Obama’s home state of Illinois. It remains the most conservative state in the Midwest. For geographic balance the choice of a Southerner or Westerner or even someone sort of Mid-Atlantic would make more sense. In terms of doing things differently in Washington, it is hard to imagine someone more representative of the status quo.
If Obama wants to win, he needs to attack McCain and the Republicans ion the issues. Hit them on the economy, the war, high gas prices, deregulation, crumbling infrastructure, growing inequality, and all the rest. He does not have to be nasty, but he does have to lay the blame for the mess we are in directly at their feet. No Mr. Nice Guy.
Evening, all-
I would rather see Obama pick Hillary than Bayh. Hillary will bring her very large national constituency, while Bayh, as far as I can tell, brings nearly no one. The average man in the street: “Who? Bayh? Who’s that?” Outside of political observers, I don’t think most people have the faintest idea who Bayh is, and that’s bad for the ticket.
I have to agree with you Suzanne.
Have to agree. I really do not think that the VP is really that significant for the election overall (several folks have pointed this out in the last couple of weeks), but picking Bayh sends exactly the wrong message to the Democratic base. It could depress turn out and turn out and enthusiasm are currently Obama’s big edge in this election.
i agree
i wish i remembered the commenter’s name, but i can’t even remember which blog i was reading… but it went something like: “obama is an unconventional candidate with conventional politics running a revolutionary campaign.” if true it could explain why we keep getting crossed signals – we’re confusing the politics with the candidate and the candidate with the campaign.
Over at The Great Orange Satan, someone claims his actual voting record on labor issues is actually really good(which is a shock). This diary is it:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/…..835/562577
If that is indeed true, Bayh isn’t so bad. Of course his Iraq War vote hurts. And Bayh is rather bland. It’s funny, Bayh has been both a Governor and now Senator, yet doesn’t have the legacy his dad has. His dad is a kick ass progressive.
I do as well.
There is a strong need to drive our candidates hard to adopt or just live up to Progressive themes. But if we expect them to come to us all at once, we will drive ourselves batty before we get even one inch down the road.
Patience isn’t my strong suit, but neither is needless self-destruction.
We HAVE to have a Democratic President in 2009….. it isn’t the economy…. energy…. the war ….. it is the Supreme Court……THAT is more important than all of that……. with the right court….. we can start taking our country back from the wingnuts…..
Corporate regulation….. Voting rights…..Civil Rights….. it ALL leads to the Supreme Court….. IF you can’t vote for Obama for yourself…. Please do it for all of our children….
Hi, just popping in for a minute before I shut everything down so Bob the Conure can go night-night.
I had to laugh when I read that. I live in Illinois and I don’t think Barack has a lot to worry about. Neither candidate has spent one thin dime running ads here.
Bayh wouldn’t be MY short list but I did like how he put Lieberman in his place a couple weeks ago. Regardless of whether a decision is announced this week, I just hope Team Obama if playing offense from here on out.
Exactly. And Hugh makes good points too. Obama would do much better to get a running mate from Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, or even the Republican- Lite Bill Nelson of Florida. Indiana is a small state electoral college-wise that is likely to go to McCain in spite of Bayh. Its too close to Illinois. Obama needs to go south or west to involve a larger and different voter dynamic.
hi bye ratfood
From TalkLeft:
Sen. Evan Bayh is going to introduce Sen. Barack Obama at an event in Bayh’s home town of Indiana on Wednesday. Is that any reason to cancel a baseball game the night before?
Teddy….. I’m ready to go for Governor Napolitano just NOT to have Bayh… OMG the guy couldn’t even get a Presidential bid past exploratory…..
Doesn’t mean it’s going to be Bayh. Hell, he may not even be announcing his VP pick this week. Might be something else entirely. For some reason, and I could very well be wrong, I still think it’s going to be Clark.
Agree completely.
If Obama will do this, I believe he will be inaugurated in January. At the same time, I can’t help but remember how exciting McGovern was in early ‘72, only to see him run a fuzzy, unfocused general campaign against one of the most chronically unpopular politicians in recent American history, and get crushed.
Obama could still lose this. This is not over, not by a long shot.
I don’t really think going Southern would help him much. Too many social conservatives and racists down there (I grew up border state Southern). To the extent that the Veep has any impact at all (and the data seem to suggest it is minimal at best), he is better going with the West or Mid-Atlantic where he has a shot.
wow
or maybe bayh’s name is being floated to make whoever obama does ask to be his vp look good to us in comparison?
or am i just speculating wildly and beyond reason?
I agree with your assessment, though not the conclusion. I’ll vote “None of the above.” I’m sick unto death of compromise and capitulating!
ha! that explains why he is such a popular bridesmaid but never gets picked.
My desire to have a Democratic President is a priority. I’ll just have to deal with the rest, should it be not so Progressive — heh! isn’t that why we are here to let them know how we feel? Thanks, Newt!
I can’t do that. McCain (or any other Republican) is simply too batshit crazy and dangerous. I really am not sure the country could survive another Republican administration.
McCain is really horrible, but Obama took the wind out of my sails with FISA, non partisan aisle reaching healing rhetoric, Lieberman enabling, Iran warmongering, AIP*C stroking, centrist crap. I’m not excited about Obama, but I’m glad other people are.
found it:
I am also unenthusiastic about Obama, but I am horrified by McCain.
LOL!
The Napolitano talk on the web has certainly quieted down.
Another problem with Bayh is that the state has a GOP governor, right? So his replacement would be a GOP. Since we are now fighting for a filibuster-proof Senate, that one seat could matter.
Obama needs to pick a strong personality for VP….. someone who can shepard all those bills like universal healthcare and instituting regulations of all those run amuck industries ….
excellent point teddy! i forgot all about that part of the selection process
To answer the question posed by the title of the post (Why Bayh?), just let me say – that there is absolutely, positively no *good* reason whatsoever. Unless, of course, Obama is thinking that a man with neither a discernible personality or spine would really, really help him out, that is.
This whole idea is irritating as all kindsa hell to this Hoosier, so I’ll just paste a comment of mine from earlier today:
Indiana is already in play, methinks. And whether it is, or is not, putting Evan Bayh on the ticket isn’t going to change many votes here. Bayh ’spearheaded’ Hillary’s primary campaign here, where she won by just a few thousand votes.
Bayh brings nothing. Obama won Marion County (Indianapolis) with 67% of the vote.
If Bill Clinton is serious about wanting to help Obama, he could, and should, re-trace his steps through southern Indiana, which went HRC big time. IMO, it’s Bill Clinton, not Evan Duh-Bayh, which could bring this state in for the D’s.
This has been a problem for us here at the Lake. Everyone mentioned is important right where they are so we are left with nobody – what to do?
Watertiger – if you’re here, I think selise has infringed on your “tag line”
I’d sue if I were you.
Just sayin.
;~P
Might they be thinking that Bayh could draw in those elusive independents? I still don’t think they’ll pick another midwesterner…..doesn’t make sense to me to do that.
I’ve heard some Obama-bashing redneck conversations in restaurants that are embarrassing. I’m embarrassed to be a member of the same species as these drooling ignorami.
Yes, and for all this and probably more to come, we will not know what Obama will do as President.
We have no way of knowing how much of this is tacking for political position and how much is his idealogical bent.
Although FISA and other “betrayals” bother me no end, I understand the political angles. And courting Hillary’s adherents is a distasteful exercise.
This isn’t Bobby Kennedy, and we shouldn’t be disappointed when he falls short of that mark.
McCheese is simply not an alternative.
Added an update to the post, thanks Betsy! Wish I’d seen that myself.
Softball games are tres important on Capitol Hill. They don’t get cancelled over nothing. This could be it.
but is obama fighting for a filibuster proof senate?
Another problem with Bayh is that the state has a GOP governor, right?
yep – veteran of both the Reagan and Bush The Lesser administrations, Mitch Daniels.
I saw the “Mitt” as Surrogate” thing today and the threat that McCain wouldn’t state his VP choice until Obama chose his. Phuquedat.
My bet is that Obama is reading the Goper attack tea leaves and knows he needs a pit bull. The Democratic party only has one pit bull who can compete on the national stage at this critical moment.
His name is Howard Dean, and it don’t take a freakin’ street musician to figure it out.
Obama/Dean 08!
“Change The Paradigm!”
Oh dear God. That really is depressing. My condolences.
Well, that’s a thought.
Who was it that said “when the choice is between a republican and republican lite, the voters always pick the republican”?
Bayh is rethuglican lite. Should something happen to Obam—and we know there will be people and forces wanting that to come to pass—then we get Bayh. This is not just another pick for backstop. The choice needs to be someone who can actually step into the job.
God help us all. And with the trend lines going the way they are, I don’t see this choice doing anything whatsoever to reverse the direction.
Yes. Exactly. And, assuming he does get elected, I’m sure he will genuinely be mystified by the way the left wing of the party, after voting for him, is going to hold his feet to the fire, which it must certainly do if the agenda is to be driven back toward the center.
AstralT!
This thread sure has brought out some FDL veterans!
I like Dean. I also like Clark. If you like Clark, sign on here.
He also needs an attack dog for the campaign since he seems to not want to go there and he’s dismantled much of the infrastructure that would have done it for him.
URGH.
Would it be accurate to say that Nixon was more liberal than Obama?
I’m back.
This probably isn’t worth mentioning but wouldn’t it be funny if Bayh was part of a bait and switch? See if the McCain camp will jump first and announce a VP choice they think counters Bayh, only to have Obama turn around and pick somebody else?
No doubt just my head rattling.
There were several reasons I voted for Obama over Clinton. Heck, I was even a delegate for Obama at my state convention. I’ve continued to support Obama by volunteering. One of the reasons I chose Obama was my belief that Clinton would pick Bayh as a running mate.
I’ve heard Bayh repeat right-wing talking points against Democrats, calling them weak on defense, when speaking at CFR. Bayh’s attitude about gays is horrible, and I find him shaky on women’s rights. Bayh doesn’t get it. Why Bayh’s get credit for foreign policy is a mystery…he’s always wrong. Recently he’s sponsoring a bill to saber-rattle at Iran by calling for a blockade. If there a vote where Democrats cave, Bayh’s name is always on the list marked spineless. Sirota called one Democrat a “hack” in his book: Bayh after he shilled for the credit companies during the debate over the bankruptcy bill. That bit of work netted Bayh over $200,000 from outside of Indiana companies.
If FISA wasn’t a deal breaker, Evan Bayh would do it. Big Time.
Oh dear God. That really is depressing. My condolences.
thank you. Since I’m no longer into artificially altering reality, I have gotten pretty good at just ignoring it.
(and he’s a shoe-in for re-election this year…)
Cool Teddy. Thanks for the h/t
I have my matches and wood pile ready, as well as a stock of branding irons, should they become necessary.
Don Bivens the Chair of the AZ State Democratic Party was on the local Sunday talking head show and clearly stated that Gov Janet would run against McCain in 2010….
The issue about Bayh being replaced by a GOP Gov….. need to check the state constitution because in AZ…. If McCain (OMG you would not believe I am even thinking this)wins, Gov Janet HAS to pick someone as the same party of the departing Senator……of course she could pick the most “liberal” Republican in the state BUT the problem here is that the AZ GOP has chased out anyone who might have a stray liberal thought right into the Democratic Party…
Despite being widely dispersed, Hunter Thompson’s ashes just rolled over.
Obama/Dean 08!
I agree whole-heartedly.
Obama should pick Dean, and then demand three Vice-Presidential debates.
I have lost faith in Obama. When you consider the cancelled ball game and the Bayh introduction (and all the other – FISA, AIP*C, etc), I fear that Obama really will pick Bayh the Puke.
I know the feeling. Our repellent Bushevic Rethug congressman (our only congressman) is also a shoe in. Fortunately so is our slightly less repellent senior Democratic senator and our generally acceptable Democratic Governor. In fact the Dems may sweep the statewide offices this year.
OK. I’m sold.
If, and it’s a big “if” you can find someone to run the party and execute the 50-State strategy with the same devotion.
Well, I would point out that Obama is the one running for office and if there is going to be any self-destruction going on it will be his because he didn’t offer us any good reason to vote for him.
As for the Supreme Court, as I have often said, the Democrats have always had the numbers in the Senate even when they were in the minority to filibuster judicial nominees. They just never did. Not with Roberts or Alito or a lot of crazy-eyed conservative district and appellate court judges. So I don’t know what to make of the argument that we should vote for a Democratic President because he will nominate Supreme Court candidates, almost certainly not liberals, but maybe not quite as bad as McCain’s choices, because a Democratic Senate won’t block those choices. It sounds to me like I’m being told Democrats are so pathetic that I have to vote for Obama or else they’ll cave to McCain. Why aren’t they thinking about our children? Why isn’t Obama?
Josh Marshall working late:
Calling Marcy, STAT:
I think Obama is head-faking McCain on the debates, and it wouldn’t surprise me if his campaign head-fakes on the Veep as well. I think they want McCain to go first, and McCain should probably go first this week: the Olympics end just as the Democratic convention begins, leaving McCain little room except at the traditional start of the GOP convention the following week.
Perhaps the Obama campaign is playing “you first, Alfonse.”
Cold comfort when McCheese is sworn in-
“Obama was so bad that…”
wow – now can we impeach?
Donna Brazile?/s
I agree. Obama isn’t the one who needs the boost at this moment.
Sorry, table still clear.
If so, they have a funny way of showing it. That move would be two clever by half and the Obama campaign hasn’t shown that kind of clever—at least I haven’t seen it. Got into another “discussion” this afternoon with the Mr. who thinks Obama walks on water.
I have never felt this dispirited this far before a natl. election. Never.
With that, time to close the laptop down.
Don’t hold your breath.
but who would set the table?
Have you ever paid this much attention?
nite revdeb
If you’re a liberal and you are excited about Obama, its b/c you haven’t been paying much attention.
Donna Brazile?/s
Can Bob Shrum be co-Chair?
I really think Bush and Cheney could both fuck a dead boy in the Rose Garden at noon in front of the press and the Congressional Democratic leadership would not impeach.
You probably heard that the McCain camp admitted they intend to wait until Obama announces and then tailor their pick based on whatever they perceive as the other ticket’s weakness. A more likely scenario might be that every night McCain locks in a choice by bedtime and forgets it by the following morning.
Night RevDeb.
If you’re a liberal and you are excited about Obama, its b/c you haven’t been paying much attention.
I liked his speech from Michigan today. Essentially called for a Manhattan Project-style energy policy.
Certainly not if he’s already dead! Where is your lapel pin and why haven’t we seen you at Church?
g’nite revdeb
He has moments when he almost has me going, but then he turns around and screws the pooch again.
Safe to say Fox News would run a (D) by their names.
ROFLMAO Srsly.
Terrorist fist bump back at you…w00t!
hee hee
I’m wondering if these are all trial balloons….. keep hearing it could be X or Y or John Doe….. and then we all react and the Obama campaign has someone monitoring the online world to get the feedback……
So Teddy….. maybe this will sink this little party balloon or then…. I need to get some sleep….
teddy, great line for that ad you said she wants run – the elderly talking about why mccain should not be president.
g’nite katymine
They would, wouldn’t they?
Night katymine. Think I will head out as well. Take care and take back the party!
nite katymine
nite doctor
(teddy: any thoughts on lady di floating a trial balloon for governor? i almost choked when i read it.)
Oh I wasn’t going to bed….. should but not yet…
Update on the Parents house….. the Restoration construction company is now evaluating (now that they cleared out all the contents out of the house) if the house is too structurally damaged and will need to be rebuilt from the ground up….
Oh Joy….. when it rains it pours….
I agree. My own mother is older than McLame – and *she* thinks he’s too old.
neverminding…. katymine
g’nite dr no pause dick
better to find this out now katymine. if it needs to be rebuilt, so be it – it will probably be faster than rehabbing from the fire.
Goodnight from the Great Swamp, Dr. Dick!
My father (who will be 86 tomorrow) states his issue with McCain (except he is a repug) is that my father has known a lot of military who were POW’s, long old friends AND thinks they would be too unstable to be President…. and the age thing too…
per BT in email, Karen Tumulty at Swampland has more:
She then includes a YouTube of his “feisty performance against Joe Lieberman a few weeks ago on FOX,” which I missed entirely because, well, it was Lieberman on FOX. Even Evan Bayh couldn’t get me to tune in to that….
I wonder if she could do less damage as Governor as Senator.
Then I realize she’d probably find a way, especially giving the Four Hundred Families billions of dollars in water, as Kirk Murphy reminds me.
Right you are!
We should live so long. /s
egad… but that is a pretty kewl takedown of hojo by bayh.. but then again, a dead clock is correct twice a day
Well, if we’re going to get the lead into this balloon, we’ll need some more Diggs for this post, please….
When the Messiah comes! /s
Dugg Teddy!
Insane! Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. When will they ever learn.
I have a theory that the reason McCain wants to be president so badly that he has been willing to chuck everything that people respected about him in service to blind and ruthless ambition is that is father and grandfather were admirals. This is his last chance to prove that he is as big a man (or bigger) than they were. If that is the case, he has more in common with Bush than policies. We don’t need another president with an Oedipal complex.
“obama is an unconventional candidate with conventional politics running a revolutionary campaign.” if true it could explain why we keep getting crossed signals – we’re confusing the politics with the candidate and the candidate with the campaign.
Great inisight there, Selise. Thanks for this useful frame.
FORK.. i totally forgot to digg…. scurrying away to digg in shame.. sorry teddy
good night all
There’s a fair amount of excitement this week in Elkhart, Indiana,…
almost as exciting as the county fair!
I’m thinking that the residents of Elkhart, Indiana, are pretty easily amused…
nite Betsy…
Nite Tex…..
Kinda hard to make the same argument about Obama – not exactly stunted by fathers stature in the world… Reminds me of Bubba in that regard.
nite betsy
pain free sleep wishes tex
Suzanne, you are in high spirits tonight! Must feel good to have the packing behind you.
Thanks, newt!
Can Indiana be that important for Obama that he would pick Bayh as his running mate? I still think (hope) that he will pick McCaskill as his VP. It would help solidify the Hillary wing and help us gain a Red state.
Just got here and dugg too. Didn’t read all of the comments. Who will replace Bayh in the senate?
I hope we are also not confusing Obama’s supporters with his voters. That way lies danger. Everyone who supports him — or who fears McCain — must vote. It is essential.
And I would like some more good reasons for doing so!
*gentle reminder*
fantasy violence will result in your comment being moderated
The GOP Governor, who is cruising to re-election this fall, we are told, will make the choice. Perhaps he’ll choose himself?
still packing… the final bit of the kitchen tonight
I thought it was all going to be top secret. Wouldn’t it be easier to have Bayh fly somewhere Obama plans to give a speech than to do it this way?
Ham on rye with mustard only.
That makes no sense. Why would Obama consider someone who would put another republican in the senate?
I just want something to make sense. Pleeeze.
Well I have no idea how I will vote in November..
but for now, I vote this way.
Unless you write for Newsweek, in which case references to Lugers and cyanide pills are entirely acceptable!
This is a trial balloon, maybe. But let’s get the lead into it, then!
So you can be summoned for jury duty. Why would anybody need another reason to vote?
The enthusiasm of his base was Obama’s greatest asset, and he’s squandering it as fast as he can.
That is why I think that choice of Edwards or Clark makes more sense…. it doesn’t mess up the balance of the senate….. both are strong and feisty…
could be wrong but don’t think it will be another Senator…..a Governor…I really like Brian Schweitzer of MT
I also still like Ted Strickland from Ohio.
yeah, I know he said he wouldn’t do it – but i bet he would if asked…
*And* – no loss of a Senate seat…
Subway’s Heart Wave Coherence Pics.
I’ll be demonstrating this at DemocracyFest in Arlington Va two weekends from now. This Subway Serenade is also Howard Dean’s closing act.
Got tickets?
eureka has plame upstairs
Fading fast. Night, all-the best of all possible tomorrows to you all.
The Montanans scream just as loudly as some Arizonans I know, when their governor is mentioned. I wasn’t that excited about Clark until the Village threw their hissy fit over his comments on Face The Nation. I just love Bob Scheiffer’s comment, and leave it on blogs everywhere: “Are you questioning John McCain’s integrity?”
It perfectly summarized everything wrong with the Village and its Villagers.
I like Edwards, too, of course, but there’s that new, um, problem.
Have lots of fun and say Hi to Arshad from me… he is the Chairman of DFA national… it will be the first year since DemocracyFest was started that I will not be attending…..
It was in Austin 2005 DemFest where I met Gina Cooper where we shared the shuttle bus and she asked me….. “would you be interested if we planned a meetup of all the kossacks?”…… she was pitching the idea to Markos…
Weak choice, at best.
Buh Bayh!
The influence of the internet is a double-edged sword. At times it is good device for generating enthusiasm (maybe TOO good). It also provides the opportunity to scrutinize every detail of the campaign in microscopic detail until we lose sight of the big picture (and our enthusiasm).
This will be the 8th time I’ve voted for president and I don’t require enthusiasm, lesser of two evils has always been sufficient for me.
Evenin’ all !
Was that confirmed ?
I thought it was just an attempt to railroad Edwards’ Veep potential …
Sad. And not unfamiliar to me.
I don’t think it needs to be confirmed to derail his chances.
Me neither.
Are we all upstairs now?
If it was “invented” by a gossip mag, at the behest of someone else who’s in the running for Veep, it wouldn’t hold much water …
I’m not a complete cynic. I wish Obama well but I am skeptical regarding how successful even the best intentioned person can be at changing the culture of Washington, which is swept along by a combination of corporate influence, partisan politics, and bureaucratic inertia. The challenges facing the next president are daunting and if it is Obama, the Republicans will think it in their best interest to (country be damned) do everything possible to render him ineffective…
Sadly, I’m moving further and further in that direction.
My conscience just won’t allow this time.
Bayh? I’ve been READING today he might be the selection, and if he is, I’m done with Obama, and the Dem’s.
I’ll take my vote and support elsewhere . . . if it costs us tween Dem’s and Pub’s, at this point, I see NO difference anymore.
I won’t continue to serve the slide . . . and I’ll pray the rest of the progressive movement will IMMEDIATELY begin to form a new 3rd party, and make it viable . . . I wonder if Soros is pissed, or delighted, at this point.
Jeebuz, I hate to admit it, but yeah, we’d have a better chance of WINNING with HRC than Bayh. And, maybe, SOME progressive movement would occur on healthcare, maybe alt energy/green issues, and JOBS!
I LIKED Obama’s call for green energy, to MAKE jobs!!!
With Bayh? We can’t win, and we get a lousy administration which puts Supreme’s and Roe v Wade and Brown v Board Of Ed at stake.
Damn this is effin depressing as elephant poop . . .
I agree, but at this point, don’t you think there’s enuff to worry about that Obama/Bayh won’t SERVE any of our issues INCLUDING the Supreme appointments? I’m completely dejected and it don’t LOOK like Obama’s gone right just to win . . . with Bayh, it seems he’s giving it away!!!!
Pure lunacy . . .
Add that to the bentonite 4 newspaper sources confirming Iraq origin. And all the OTHER fresh hells.
So where does America stand (sit, lounge, take a nap) on accountability?
I think the DEMS are leaning too much on “central casting”.
The Edwards rumors don’t have traction, do they?
bayh would finish the job of turning me off of obama for good. i would rather seen hillary in the veep spot, even w/all her clintonian baggage.
but it sounds like obama would rather attract some red state undecideds than actual democrats.
I don’t think Bayh helps Obama that much.
My fave is Wes Clark.
Bob in HI
Among those that haven’t ruled themselves out, yep.
Note a couple of things.
First,
obamawebb08.com
obamaclinton08.com
obamadodd08.com
are all taken – there are more, these are the ones I checked. (How about this one – http://www.obamanader08.com/ ?)
Second, you don’t need permission or cooperation to forward your web site to a third party.
Bayh is beter than Lyndon Johnson. Kennedy purportedly hated Johnson, but he needed him on the ticket to win. It was expected to be close. It was and Lyndon Johnson on the ticket did what it was supposed to do. Without him Kennedy most likely would have lost. Obama wants to win and he feels he needs someone like Bayh to overcome the race obstacle. He is probably right.
You won’t have someone you want to vote for with the present system. I don’t know how long it will take for large numbers of people to acknowledge the system is irreparably broken. It is a difficult conclusion to reach, but some day, after multiple disappointments, it will be reached.
I hadn’t thought much about Bayh, but strategically he makes a lot of sense. He locks in Ohio, makes Indiana more than competitive. That’s enough to win the election on its own. Don’t forget the big prize here. In the degree that it frees up time to campaign in Texas, VA, and the seizable mountain states, his nomination helps Obama crush the thugs.
Like everyone else here I would prefer a more liberal candidate like Gore or Edwards. I originally thought that Richardson would be the sensible pick, however, because he brings in Hispanic votes. But Obama seems to be doing well enough there on his own.
The main prize is the presidency. Who remember’s FDRs VP’s, other than Truman, who was called in for exactly the same reason as Bayh might be. The only one who has left a mark in histors the one (I forget his name) who said the office isn’t worth a warm bucket of spit.
It isn’t and it shouldn’t be. We’ve had enough of this surrogate presidency of Cheney, who ties up DC traffic with his motorcade everytime he has to go out to take a pee.
I agree. If it’s Bayh it will certainly send a signal that the DLC is still in control and Obama is just another Washington pol.
Bayh better than Lyndon? Not in my eyes.
Me too. Despite my dilike of Hillary she is MUCH better than Bayh.
That Vice President was John Nance Garner
I don’t know much about Bayh but Lyndon Johnson’s insecurities cost many people their lives. Same is true for George Bush. That’s a problem with the presidency. Inferiority feelings inspire people to “prove” themselves and what greater proof is there than the presidency? Obama, wanting to be president from kindergarten, suffers the same affliction, but he may be smart enough to keep it in check. I know. When I was in kindergarten, I wanted to be president too.
In Evan’s defense, having been an acquaintance since college, I think he has been as liberal as he felt Indiana would have tolerated. As vice president, you might find he would strike out more on the left edge of the mainstream on his assigned issues, as did Al Gore and John Edwards when they moved to the national stage. His father’s loss in 1980 may have moved him toward the dlc, but he also is very intelligent and chooses his words carefully “the soul of a vice president”, in the words of a friend of mine, and perhaps can be trained to loosen up, as Al did, on a national campaign. Don’t forget the family commitment to civil rights and women’s rights, Birch Evan Bayh senior was a pioneer coach in women’s sports, Birch Evan Bayh, Jr. was a great senator and the father of the Equal Rights Amendment and Title IX. (He also was the candidate I traveled nationally to work for in Iowa and New Hampshire and he has an interesting tie to the Kennedys, having pulled Teddy from a burning plane, and I can visualize a Teddy video intro of Evan Bayh at the convention.)And Evan (Birch Evan Bayh III) was a staunch supporter of the most serious female presidential candidate ever. I have always been far more liberal and have tsk tsk’ed him many times over the years. I’m just saying don’t underestimate or oversimplify Evan Bayh.
Evan Bayh as VP? Sickening.