Specifically about some of the work the Center For Constitutional Rights, the ACLU and others have done…fighting indefinite detention, torture, rendition, all those things that the Bush Administration denounced in public while encouraging them vociferously behind their own hand-drawn veil of state secrets. Hope you can join us.
From the very beginning, the Center for Constitutional Rights and the ACLU have stood for the rule of law. Trying to stop the Bush Administration’s dismissal of long-held, long-fought-for human rights laws which the United States previously championed.
Before we became a nation, George Washington’s decision to treat prisoners humanely stood in stark contrast to the treatment our soliders were given by the British, who argued that torture and other harsh methods were perfectly acceptable because American rebels were enemy combatants who refused to accede to British law and obeisance to the king.
Today, we have become that which we sought to throw off at our nation’s founding. To our shame.
The Hamdan defense case rested last week, with closing arguments this morning. The case is expected to be in the jury’s hands later today. There are things I want to bring to everyone’s attention:
…The defense team…asked if the jury was surprised to learn that Hamdan’s boss, Abdullah Tabarak, in charge of bin Laden’s security detail, including bodyguards and drivers, had himself been detained at Guantánamo Bay but was released and sent home to Morocco in 2004. And they shared with the jury video footage of Hamdan taken soon after he was captured, showing him shackled, hooded and scared, as he was badgered by a U.S. military interrogator and in obvious pain from sitting too long trussed about the legs.
Yet, through it all, it seemed that Team Hamdan could barely solicit a raised eyebrow among the jury members. Maybe such revelations would have shocked a military jury in the past. But the trampling of rights at Guantánamo Bay has so permeated the national consciousness (if not its conscience) that such abuse seems almost commonplace — a simple byproduct of the war on terror that must be endured…. (emphasis mine)
Glenn has a great interview with Ben Wizner of the ACLU who has been working on Hamdan’s defense team at Gitmo. As Ben points out, Hamdan was allowed to remain in the courtroom to hear testimony from Special Forces personnel about his own torture despite its high level of classification because "[t]he government doesn’t mind revealing that information to detainees because it doesn’t plan ever to release them."
Andy Worthington has a few choice words about the trial proceedings, including this:
…The Commissions’ former chief prosecutor, Col. Davis resigned in October 2007, complaining that his superiors had politicized the process, and explaining that he could not continue in his job because he refused to take part in trials that allowed evidence obtained through torture. In February 2008, Col. Davis reported that, during a discussion of the Nuremberg Trials with the Defense Department’s chief counsel William J. Haynes II, in which Davis noted that there had been some acquittals, which had "lent great credibility to the proceedings," Haynes told him, "We can’t have acquittals. We’ve been holding these guys for years. How can we explain acquittals? We have to have convictions."
I’ve been reading Jane Mayer’s book, The Dark Side, and it’s been giving me nightmares. Because it is the stuff of nightmares for a lawyer who takes a commitment to the rule of law and justice seriously. In the recent NYTimes book review, Alan Brinkley hits this head on:
…The tactics the president denounced were precisely those he had authorized and encouraged in the growing network of secret prisons around the world. The detainees in these scattered sites — many of them innocent — have been held for months and years without charges, without lawyers, without notification to their families and often without respite from torture for weeks and months at a time. The Bush administration’s response to the Abu Ghraib scandal was not to stop the behavior, but to try to hide it more effectively.
No one knows how many people were rounded up and spirited away into these secret locations, although the number is very likely in the thousands. No one knows either how many detainees have died once in custody. Nor is there any solid information about the many detainees who have been the victims of what the United States government calls “extraordinary rendition,” the handing over of detainees to other governments, mostly in the Middle East, whose secret police have no qualms about torturing their prisoners and face no legal consequences for doing so.
This is not who we are supposed to be, who we ought to be. Exposing this is one step forward, fighting it directly is necessary — and incredibly difficult and thankless work. As folks at the CCR and ACLU can tell you, they get called traitors and worse every day for standing up for the principles enshrined in our nations laws, its Constitution and its Bill of Rights. And thank god they do so.
Please take some time later today at 3 pm ET/noon PT to speak with Vince Warren from CCR and folks from the ACLU who fight these battles every day. For all of us.
(YouTube — Vince Warren discussing CCR’s work on human rights issues before the SCOTUS on Democracy Now.)
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Morning Christy!
Hamdan’s boss was released? Do you know anything about why? Wealthy, influential family? It makes no sense that Handan would still be held as a lowly driver…
Morning jayt! For your defense attorney reading annoyance, do take a peek at the “in the jury’s hands” link above. It will thoroughly piss you off…fair warning.
Good morning Christy,
While this congress vacations the stench emanating from Washington continues
I know it’s early to go off topic but this does go to the lawless government so I hope it’s ok, from think progress;
pot, I have here kettle to which I think you should make your introduction
link
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/…..se-spying/
I don’t know the answer to that — would be a great question to ask folks this afternoon. One of the things that I wonder about with that is how successful Hamdan was in pressing his case — and whether the Bush Administration decided to hang onto him to make an example of him or out of spite once his name became known. Look at that quote from Haynes — once Hamdan became a specific defendant that people could point to publicly, I don’t think there is any way that this particular Administration was going to admit they had made a big mistake and release him.
They aren’t about justice, they are about retribution and CYA at all costs.
Good Morning, Christy, Jayt and Loo Hoo.
Happy Monday morning to you all. Hope everyone had relaxing weekends and are now right to fight the good fight, once again.
I am not an attorney, put that doesn’t stop me from being Hugely Disappointed in our far our system has moved away from our original ideals.
wow thanks Christy,
gonna be a great discussion this afternoon
Why is this Congress doing nothing? Can we sue them?
Man, I hope these criminals get their come-uppance. And I don’t mean the detainees.
CHS
BTW, I won’t be able to join this afternoons first Monday discussion, ’cause I have a writing session, but you know I do enjoy these…seminar/workshops and will certainly check it out tonight. Thank you Christy!
Good Morn Christy and Pups.
Magnificent job on this, Christy. Must have been grueling to research and write. Thank you. A great service is being done for our country by people like you, the ACLU et al.
I think this post would be an excellent one to forward on to Barack Obama, if only as a reminder to him that he must not flinch away from dealing with the horrors of bushcheney head-on, and somehow exorcise the demons they have loosed on our society.
I hope Obama gets the word out that McCain approves of the CIA using torture. People need to know that. Maybe it’s something he’ll address in his stadium speech in Denver.
gawd – I’m gonna pretend that it’s too early in the morning for a full-fledged, profanity-laced rant.
The war crimes case against Salim Ahmed Hamdan today goes to a jury of his enemies, hand-selected by the Pentagon official who charged him on behalf of a president who has ordered him imprisoned even if acquitted.(my bold)
Thank gawd for
smallbig favors. I would so end up, in that “courtroom”, getting myself slammed in the brig for contempt every single day.Law degrees? Who needs ‘em?
I wonder – are JAG lawyers subject to discipline by any bar association? I would assume not, but wonder whether, after retirement from the military, if any of these prosecutors or judges could pass the ethics requirements for admission to the bar of any state in the country.
Possible the D.C. bar?
Charlatans….
everybody should watch the video Christy put up, “Vince Warren discussing CCR’s work on human rights issues before the SCOTUS on Democracy Now”
There is this January 2006 WaPo article on Tabarak’s release:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01044.html
It is called mysterious. At one point, it is said the Moroccains thought they could get more information out of him. He was released from their custody within a few months. The story also says that Tabarak sacrificed himself by taking bin Laden satellite phone from Tora Bora and allowing bin Laden to escape. This is mysterious in much the same way skunks are.
But wasn’t his boss released before he became well known?
maybe they implanted a tracking ship in him before they let him go.
tracking CHIP, sry
No
tracking CHIP, sry
I’m thinking that if a ship was implanted, it wouldn’t really need a whole lot of special electronics in order to keep track of him. *g*
I think you’re right
*giggling
I knew that would piss you off.
Just got off the phone with Vince Warren from CCR — he’s really looking forward to the discussion this afternoon.
Just got off the phone with Vince Warren from CCR — he’s really looking forward to the discussion this afternoon.
me too – better get some work done now. Later on, y’all.
And Christy – thanks a lot – mission accomplished. *g*
for folks on dial up, there is also a transcript.
and OT, but also at the democracy now! website, glenn greenwald was on today to talk about ivins and reporting on the anthrax attacks of 2001.
I don’t think we should lose sight of those jag officers who bucked the system and tried to do the right thing.
!! thanks selise, that whole story reeks
Thanks, selise — I meant to link up the transcript for the dial-up folks and just forgot when I was putting this together. Too many windows open at once here, I’m afraid…appreciate you passing along that link.
True — Hamdan was initially represented by Lt. Cmdr. Swift, whose work on the case was amazing.
Hugh, you’re too funny!
We used to have around a narrative written by an ancestor who was held on the (if I recall correctly) “Jersey” prison ship during the War of 1812. It was easy to grow up thinking that the British were the bad guys.
Then we got PBS and Masterpiece Theater and everything British became admirable. (OK; tongue firmly in cheek, there.)
What *is* true, though, I think, is that we have forgotten why “We the People” and “Liberty and Justice for All” were such radical ideas upon which to found a country. And it makes me very, very sad.
selise, do you know of a transcript of Greenwald on Ivins today?
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Your score is 98 :)
hamsters seem to have gone into a tailspin. sorry to bother. it seems here that clicking “Preview”, waiting for that to settle in, and then clicking “Submit” works after a pause. Anything more direct prompts multiple error messages. sigh.
the transcript will be posted soon – the show is broadcast live at 8am and it usually takes a few hours before the audio, video and transcript archives are posted. but it should all be at the link (see above) later today.
or you can check if democracy now! is broadcast during the day on one of your local radio stations.
are you sure that wasn’t the Revolutionary War?
and wow! you should find out who has it and copy it, put it up on the Internet. What a valuable resource! Your family is so lucky to have it, not that your ancestor was lucky to have been imprisoned on one of those hell-holes.
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And you make such a poignant point:
“We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal…” Unfortunately repubs have made a distinction between “creation” and everything that follows.
woo hoo! I wuz always a solid boring “B” student. heh
Hi Twain. I gotta quit. Not only is this thing acting up, but kitty needs my attn.
Hey. Our tv (a hand-me-down) started smoking furiously last night during some important MSM thingie or other. Yanked the plug immediately. I think da machine was making an editorial comment. eh?
Thanks – tech crew is already working on it and have been all morning. Appreciate the heads up…
Good Morning Christy and Firedogs,
If this be Treason, make the most of it !
if it helps. we use Firefox on an XP Dell pc.
p.s. you can also look for radio stations (here) that are playing democracy now! throughout the day and offering audio webstreams of one kind or another.
Good morning Christy. We had guests for BBQ last night and had a lively conversation about this very thing. “Today, we have become that which we sought to throw off at our nation’s founding. To our shame.”
One of our guests is an ex Marine sniper, and at first took exception when I expressed the shame I feel for America these days, until I explained why I felt that way. I think it was an ex Marine knee jerk reaction to the statement, but he had to agree once I stated my points. I get furious when I think of all the brave men and women who died for the idea and values of America, and how all of that is for naught now. STARTING with our founders and the American Revolution. Who, really, can fix things now, who will enact a total restoration and make that point through actions to the rest of the world. It’s a dark and horrid feeling to BE one of the countries I always read about throughout my life, and gave thanks not to be from a country like that.
Thanks for this! I too am very very sad, and again, outraged. NONE of this was done with my “OK”, in fact, like all of us here, I have fought it tooth and nail every inch of the way down, down, down that dark passage.
It’s not a browser interface problem this morning, it’s something else. But thanks much!
Wow, your own Star Chamber. Even the English Kings could hardly have done better.
that is one ginormous can of worms you’ve got there Ms Loo Hoo.
for those sporting a lovely tin foil cloche -
his release date (8/04) coincides nicely with the Moroccan connection to the Spanish Train Bombing tragedy.
Great post CHS!
I got an e-mail from CCR this morning too which reads in part:
((((techies))))
our son is one. we know how hard they work. they are absolute wizards. ;->
((((((Christy))))))
I was serious earlier. Your posts are absolutely wonderful. Very clear, concise, informative to us laypersons. Deep thanks for all you do!
I was thinking that very same thing this morning. Henry VIII would have been envious.
Oh yay — thanks, tw3k! Didn’t know they had sent that out today.
Was nice to see the First Monday announcement from CCR!
It’s beyond frustrating when you consider the historical context, isn’t it? I was reading a Bruce Fein essay the other day that walked through a lot of that history. But I don’t think the Bushies give a rat’s ass about that so long as their ends get met, the means doesn’t matter for squat. SIGH
Christy, every day in so many important ways, you surpass yourself at FDL. You amaze me. Just perhaps, if there were more like you, democracy might be a viable form of governance.
Anyone else read the article in the WaPo about Biden’s hearing last week on foreign policy functions shifting to the Pentagon? It’s fascinating, and goes hand in hand with a lot of what Jane Mayer talks about in The Dark Side. Would love to know thoughts if folks have read it…
Aw, thanks! *blushing*
Not to shatter any illusions or anything but our history is filled with outrageous activities masquerading as patriotism.
d’oh! ;->
btw, just heard back from the ACLU that Ben Wizner is not going to make it for the discussion most likely this afternoon — we were trying to work it out so he could chat from Gitmo where he’s working on Hamdan’s defense team. But since they have closing arguments today and the jury will immediately begin deliberations afterward, it just wasn’t tenable to get Ben online for the chat. Hopefully we’ll be able to talk with Ben at a later time.
But we will have Steven Watt on to chat from ACLU, who has also done some extraordinary work on human rights and civil liberties questions the last few years. He and Vince from CCR will be here for the chat live — it’s going to be a good one…even if the topic is a bit difficult and depressing.
Thanks.
Internment of the Japanese during WWII springing immediately to mind here…
To what point would this “total” restoration restore the US?
as well as genocide, violation of treaties w/ native americans.
Oh, it’s a long, long list…but I’m trying to pick up some toys so I can vacuum here…so you’ll have to forgive me if I don’t catalog them all. *g*
amen Siri amen.
just finished reading a Wiki piece driving that one straight through the heart:
Kangaroo Court
I am very glad that you have made this point, Siri. I have tried time and again to impress upon Firepups that in our form of representative democracy, we erect vicarious moral agents in the form of our elected “representatives” who take decisions in our names for which, in actuality, we alone, each one of us, is personally responsible. In our form of governance there is no effective immediate way within this system to give or withold ones “OK”. And by the time the corrupt mechanisms we do have have a chance to work, if at all, the damage is already done, the millions killed or whatever, and we are left, as are you here, angry and frustrated.
There is a tremendous reluctance among those who have bought in to recognise the implications of electing representatives with these delegated powers. Such powers are not amenable to delegation.
Fund diplomacy when there are so many cool toys and gizmos?
Bushco puts our money where his mouth (and heart) is
Isn’t it nice of him to do so without talking to us about what we think? Teh awesome! *cough*
ot – But I know a lot of you watch CSpan – I’m watching Anne Korin, Co-Director of the Institue for the Analysis of Global Security -she’s got a pretty good command of a lot of issues. Worth checking out. If not now, look for a transcript of video later.
Mike — do you really want to speculate about our President’s heart? You’ve got more balls than I.
Great point
2nd request for clarification of your point, to wit:
To what point would this “total” restoration restore the US?
Inquiring minds want/need to know.
There have been books written on that topic!
New post on the Anthrax Investigation.
That’s been more than obvious since the first months of Bu$h’s administration, to be sure, Christy. And even more obvious, sinister to point of being deadly and disheartening since 9/11. No matter what the facts are regarding that attack on our country, 9/11 worked very well for this administration. As in smacking of a “dream come true”, and there’s really no other way to see it once we examine the responses.
Dugg!
There’s no evidence that anyone from the Bush family has a heart.
Restoring the actions of this country to follow the Constitution, restoration of the Bill Of Rights to it’s original form and intent. That’s what I’m talking about.
I’d like to see a Department of Restoration enacted under the Obama Administration, and I’d like to see the head of that department be Sheldon Whitehouse, Feingold, or Kucinich. Go in, undo the damage, restore our Framer’s ideas and intent and make that known loudly to the rest of the world.
oh! And prosecute each and every person who was party in any way to dismantling those document’s ideals.
Understand?
TERM LIMITS!
I’m a huge advocate of term limits, and I think the American people, ALL of us should be asked in vote before we go to war with (read ON!) anyone!
One suspects that Cheney’s One Percent Risk profile, in a paraphrase of Ron Suskind, relates not to threats to the security of America or Americans. It relates to two conflated risks that to Cheney are indistinguishable: the risk to Americans (or at least those he deems worth saving from harm) and the security of the Republican hold on government, which includes his ability to reshape it into a cog in the election gearworks of the GOP.
It’s pretty clear that the Congress will not hold the administration accountable. We need to go abroad to the other signatories of the Geneva Convention to enforce the treaty against this administration.