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		<title>By: Adie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/02/pull-up-a-chair-109/#comment-1565893</link>
		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 00:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Christy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In re my 83 &amp; 96: I promise.  I’ll just drop this train of thought in this venue.  Apparently either I lack proper voice and/or words, or I’m just totally off base.  I won’t repeat.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for all your work and applying your considerable talents to the problems faced by this “modern” world. - A.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christy.</p>
<p>In re my 83 &amp; 96: I promise.  I’ll just drop this train of thought in this venue.  Apparently either I lack proper voice and/or words, or I’m just totally off base.  I won’t repeat.</p>
<p>Thanks for all your work and applying your considerable talents to the problems faced by this “modern” world. &#8211; A.</p>
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		<title>By: rdwdkw</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/02/pull-up-a-chair-109/#comment-1565529</link>
		<dc:creator>rdwdkw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 19:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Christy, enjoy every minute of this, cause the grandkids make it even better.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christy, enjoy every minute of this, cause the grandkids make it even better.</p>
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		<title>By: Hattie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/02/pull-up-a-chair-109/#comment-1565457</link>
		<dc:creator>Hattie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m incredulous. I can’t imagine any child of my generation displaying that kind of empathy. You are to be congratulated on your wonderful little girl.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m incredulous. I can’t imagine any child of my generation displaying that kind of empathy. You are to be congratulated on your wonderful little girl.</p>
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		<title>By: PA_Lady</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/02/pull-up-a-chair-109/#comment-1565429</link>
		<dc:creator>PA_Lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Okay, &lt;i&gt;this&lt;/i&gt; one is for wavpeac. [Preview is my friend…] &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s really fascinating. I’ll have to read more about this.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve always told people who ask how I raised such thoughtful, conscientous children that it helped being broke. I simply could not do for them what a lot of their friends’ parents could. What they wanted, they had to work for. Before they could get “real” jobs, they had paper routes, mowed lawns, shoveled walks, babysat, etc.  And there was no allowance. “Mom doesn’t get paid for doing chores, and neither do you.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I made their education their main job, made a decision early on that they would only participate in one sport/activity per season (mostly because I couldn’t afford the fees for multiples!) and got rid of the cable when it hit $50/mo.  At the same time, I raised them with my Democratic beliefs in equality, fair play, and empathy for others.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, <i>this</i> one is for wavpeac. [Preview is my friend…] </p>
<p>That’s really fascinating. I’ll have to read more about this.</p>
<p>I’ve always told people who ask how I raised such thoughtful, conscientous children that it helped being broke. I simply could not do for them what a lot of their friends’ parents could. What they wanted, they had to work for. Before they could get “real” jobs, they had paper routes, mowed lawns, shoveled walks, babysat, etc.  And there was no allowance. “Mom doesn’t get paid for doing chores, and neither do you.”</p>
<p>I made their education their main job, made a decision early on that they would only participate in one sport/activity per season (mostly because I couldn’t afford the fees for multiples!) and got rid of the cable when it hit $50/mo.  At the same time, I raised them with my Democratic beliefs in equality, fair play, and empathy for others.</p>
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		<title>By: PA_Lady</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/02/pull-up-a-chair-109/#comment-1565425</link>
		<dc:creator>PA_Lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Late to the party again.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Christy&lt;/b&gt;: As a parent, you’re given only a few moments when you absolutely know that your child/children have turned out well or are on the right road. We get caught in the day-to-day, and then something happens that shines a light on how all our efforts thus far have paid off. Like Peanut extending a welcome to a new friend. I’m sure the glow from that is still with you.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Late to the party again.</p>
<p><b>Christy</b>: As a parent, you’re given only a few moments when you absolutely know that your child/children have turned out well or are on the right road. We get caught in the day-to-day, and then something happens that shines a light on how all our efforts thus far have paid off. Like Peanut extending a welcome to a new friend. I’m sure the glow from that is still with you.</p>
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		<title>By: CarolynU</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/02/pull-up-a-chair-109/#comment-1565423</link>
		<dc:creator>CarolynU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Then again, we haven’t hit the teen years yet, have we?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The teen years are…interesting.  It is fascinating to watch the person your child is becoming.  Scary, everything out there they are dealing with.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m trying to spend as much time as I can every day just hanging out with my son.  Doing whatever he likes to do.  If he invites me to play a video game, or watch some goofy show, I stifle the “no I’m starting dinner” or whatever springs to my lips, and appreciate how wonderful the invitation is.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m also giving him more freedom to make choices and spend time with his friends, biking around on adventures.  Used to be he loved doing things with me, now not so much.  I’m determined not to take this personally, but it’s bittersweet.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Still, every day, I give thanks for such a wonderful kid, and the great luxury of watching him grow up.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Then again, we haven’t hit the teen years yet, have we?</p>
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<p>The teen years are…interesting.  It is fascinating to watch the person your child is becoming.  Scary, everything out there they are dealing with.</p>
<p>I’m trying to spend as much time as I can every day just hanging out with my son.  Doing whatever he likes to do.  If he invites me to play a video game, or watch some goofy show, I stifle the “no I’m starting dinner” or whatever springs to my lips, and appreciate how wonderful the invitation is.</p>
<p>I’m also giving him more freedom to make choices and spend time with his friends, biking around on adventures.  Used to be he loved doing things with me, now not so much.  I’m determined not to take this personally, but it’s bittersweet.</p>
<p>Still, every day, I give thanks for such a wonderful kid, and the great luxury of watching him grow up.</p>
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		<title>By: CarolynU</title>
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		<dc:creator>CarolynU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;But when I got to school, one of her teachers pulled me aside to let me know that a new child had joined the class and The Peanut had walked right up to the kid, introduced herself, reached out her hand and held the other child’s and said, “Being new is hard. I’ll be your friend.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Awww…what a sweetie.  Nice job, Mom (and Dad).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As for these kids:&lt;br /&gt;
Many studies have shown positive trends among American teenagers in recent&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;decades regarding problems like teen suicide, pregnancy, substance use and violence. Yet upper middle class kids appear to be floundering, outpacing their peers in rates of cigarette smoking, depression, alcohol and drug abuse, anxiety, rule-breaking, and psychosomatic disorders like headaches and stomach problems,&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On the one hand, they’re whooping it up, but on the other, they know in their hearts and their guts that the way they live is empty, meaningless, and wrong.  It is a sickness, consumerism, that permeates our whole culture, and it has sucked dry the soul of our society.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But when I got to school, one of her teachers pulled me aside to let me know that a new child had joined the class and The Peanut had walked right up to the kid, introduced herself, reached out her hand and held the other child’s and said, “Being new is hard. I’ll be your friend.”</p>
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<p>Awww…what a sweetie.  Nice job, Mom (and Dad).</p>
<p>As for these kids:<br />
Many studies have shown positive trends among American teenagers in recent</p>
<blockquote><p>decades regarding problems like teen suicide, pregnancy, substance use and violence. Yet upper middle class kids appear to be floundering, outpacing their peers in rates of cigarette smoking, depression, alcohol and drug abuse, anxiety, rule-breaking, and psychosomatic disorders like headaches and stomach problems,</p></blockquote>
<p>On the one hand, they’re whooping it up, but on the other, they know in their hearts and their guts that the way they live is empty, meaningless, and wrong.  It is a sickness, consumerism, that permeates our whole culture, and it has sucked dry the soul of our society.</p>
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		<title>By: twolf1</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/02/pull-up-a-chair-109/#comment-1565414</link>
		<dc:creator>twolf1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Phoenix Woman has a &lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/02/come-saturday-morning-what-not-to-do-on-a-bike/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;new thread upstairs&lt;/a&gt;…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phoenix Woman has a <a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/02/come-saturday-morning-what-not-to-do-on-a-bike/" rel="nofollow">new thread upstairs</a>…</p>
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		<title>By: wavpeac</title>
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		<dc:creator>wavpeac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I also think of how they worked hard and how community service became such an important part of the “fabric” of their family life. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;However, alcohol and substance abuse surely took their toll on that family. But the Kennedy’s showed no fear of working hard and certainly had to solve many family problems. I don’t think they had an “easy life”. I think the substance abuse was more likely fueled by “trauma” for them than “affluenza”.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also think of how they worked hard and how community service became such an important part of the “fabric” of their family life. </p>
<p>However, alcohol and substance abuse surely took their toll on that family. But the Kennedy’s showed no fear of working hard and certainly had to solve many family problems. I don’t think they had an “easy life”. I think the substance abuse was more likely fueled by “trauma” for them than “affluenza”.</p>
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		<title>By: aimai</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/02/pull-up-a-chair-109/#comment-1565412</link>
		<dc:creator>aimai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A great book on this topic is “consuming kids”–I think this emphasis on priviliged kids and the odd 40,000 dollar car is misplaced–poverty and reality will take care of all those kids when they can’t manage to match their parents foolish expenditures right out of college. But all american kids are being raised with unreal expectations of affluence and with very unreal grasp of the relationship between buying and enjoying something. I heard a woman explaining patiently to her seven year old that she had, in fact, just *bought him a toy* and that he hadn’t even had a chance to play with it while he was already begging her for a new toy.  She had just bought him a toy * a few minutes before the incident I watched.*  All american kids are encouraged to experience the world through shopping/purchasing/aquiring, to enjoy that for its own sake, and to feel a sense of emptiness and meaninglessness when they can’t buy something. Very few kids make their own fun, they are offered prepackaged fun/activities. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t know what the cure to this is. I’m raising two kids right now, and we are reasonably affluent but very self conscious about purchases and yet the stuff-the things–just kept winging through the window when they were young. Stuff was so cheap that people who knew us only a little but who wanted to signal their joy and happiness at our new children would give us stuff. In a previous generation only close family gave you things, and then only on significant holidays. Now every event, every non event, days that end in “y”, is a sign that gifts and tokens and things should pour into the house.  We cleared out all the teeny tiny giftie stuffed animals and dolls a few years ago but still they come in to the house.  It prevents kids from forming significant attachments to things, or from grasping that playign with the thing is its goal not just having it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We try to put our time and effort into doing stuff that is worth doing artistically and socially, in a non competitive way.  They both dance and perform.  And they go to a progressive school which preaches and teaches the value of community, committment, work, and sharing.  We try to “do” stuff rather than “have” stuff but it puts them waaaay out of sync with other people’s kids. And I don’t mean with the kids of the rich, but with the kids of, say, their brazilian babysitter who they have played with since they were newborns.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;aimai&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great book on this topic is “consuming kids”–I think this emphasis on priviliged kids and the odd 40,000 dollar car is misplaced–poverty and reality will take care of all those kids when they can’t manage to match their parents foolish expenditures right out of college. But all american kids are being raised with unreal expectations of affluence and with very unreal grasp of the relationship between buying and enjoying something. I heard a woman explaining patiently to her seven year old that she had, in fact, just *bought him a toy* and that he hadn’t even had a chance to play with it while he was already begging her for a new toy.  She had just bought him a toy * a few minutes before the incident I watched.*  All american kids are encouraged to experience the world through shopping/purchasing/aquiring, to enjoy that for its own sake, and to feel a sense of emptiness and meaninglessness when they can’t buy something. Very few kids make their own fun, they are offered prepackaged fun/activities. </p>
<p>I don’t know what the cure to this is. I’m raising two kids right now, and we are reasonably affluent but very self conscious about purchases and yet the stuff-the things–just kept winging through the window when they were young. Stuff was so cheap that people who knew us only a little but who wanted to signal their joy and happiness at our new children would give us stuff. In a previous generation only close family gave you things, and then only on significant holidays. Now every event, every non event, days that end in “y”, is a sign that gifts and tokens and things should pour into the house.  We cleared out all the teeny tiny giftie stuffed animals and dolls a few years ago but still they come in to the house.  It prevents kids from forming significant attachments to things, or from grasping that playign with the thing is its goal not just having it.</p>
<p>We try to put our time and effort into doing stuff that is worth doing artistically and socially, in a non competitive way.  They both dance and perform.  And they go to a progressive school which preaches and teaches the value of community, committment, work, and sharing.  We try to “do” stuff rather than “have” stuff but it puts them waaaay out of sync with other people’s kids. And I don’t mean with the kids of the rich, but with the kids of, say, their brazilian babysitter who they have played with since they were newborns.</p>
<p>aimai</p>
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