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		<title>By: Dawgman99</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/01/from-anthrax-to-war-how-about-lets-not-forgive-and-forget/#comment-1565330</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawgman99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;One aspect of Ivins background was that, even though he’d been cited for taking anthrax into unauthorized areas, he also was feted with the DOD’s highest civilian award.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And he’s from southern Ohio. Below is some info:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/08/01/ddn080208ivins.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.daytondailynews.com.....ivins.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Suspected anthrax mailer brilliant but troubled man&lt;br /&gt;
Scientist killed himself as FBI closed in&lt;br /&gt;
By David Dishneau&lt;br /&gt;
FREDERICK, Md. — Lebanon native Bruce E. Ivins was a juggler, a gardener, a church musician, a Red Cross volunteer — and a suspected multiple murderer, according to federal authorities.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Anthrax-laced letters that killed five people and rattled the post-9/11 nation may have been part of the Army scientist’s warped plan to test his cure for the deadly toxin, officials said Friday, Aug. 1.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Some people who knew the scientist scoffed at the government’s assertion that Ivins sent the anthrax letters. But court documents indicate the outwardly mild-mannered Ivins had a menacing side.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Documents show that Ivins recently received psychiatric treatment, and that he was ordered last week to stay away from Jean C. Duley, a social worker who counseled him. In her application for a protective order, Duley wrote that Ivins had stalked and threatened to kill her and had a long history of homicidal threats.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ivins, 62, committed suicide Tuesday as prosecutors zeroed in on him as a suspect in the 2001 attacks. They planned to indict him and seek the death penalty.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;His father, T. Randall Ivins, ran a pharmacy in Lebanon, where the researcher and his two older brothers grew up. After graduation, Ivins received three degrees, including a Ph.D. in microbiology, from the University of Cincinnati.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Tom R. Ivins, 73, who stressed that he had not spoken to his brother since 1985, was not shocked to hear that Bruce was accused of making death threats. He also conceded the possibility that Bruce may have been the anthrax mailer.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“It makes sense, what the social worker said,” said Tom Ivins, who lives in Middletown. “He considered himself like a god.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Some who knew Ivins said the investigation was too much for him to bear. But they also asserted his innocence.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“The relentless pressure of accusation and innuendo takes its toll in different ways,” his attorney, Paul F. Kemp, said in a statement. “In Dr. Ivins’ case, it led to his untimely death.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ivins had worked for the past 18 years at the government’s biodefense labs at Fort Detrick. He and wife Diane, a stay-at-home mom who ran a day care center out of the family’s home, lived nearby in Frederick. They have two adult children: a son, Andy, and a daughter, Amanda.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He worked to develop a vaccine that was effective even when different strains of anthrax were mixed. In 2003, he shared the Decoration for Exceptional Civilian Service — the highest honor for Defense Department civilian employees.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“I think he was just psychologically exhausted by the whole process,” said Dr. W. Russell Byrne, a colleague of Ivins. He said Ivins was “hounded” by FBI agents who raided his home twice.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“There are people who you just know are ticking bombs,” Byrne said. “He was not one of them.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One aspect of Ivins background was that, even though he’d been cited for taking anthrax into unauthorized areas, he also was feted with the DOD’s highest civilian award.</p>
<p>And he’s from southern Ohio. Below is some info:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/08/01/ddn080208ivins.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.daytondailynews.com&#8230;..ivins.html</a></p>
<p>Suspected anthrax mailer brilliant but troubled man<br />
Scientist killed himself as FBI closed in<br />
By David Dishneau<br />
FREDERICK, Md. — Lebanon native Bruce E. Ivins was a juggler, a gardener, a church musician, a Red Cross volunteer — and a suspected multiple murderer, according to federal authorities.</p>
<p>Anthrax-laced letters that killed five people and rattled the post-9/11 nation may have been part of the Army scientist’s warped plan to test his cure for the deadly toxin, officials said Friday, Aug. 1.</p>
<p>Some people who knew the scientist scoffed at the government’s assertion that Ivins sent the anthrax letters. But court documents indicate the outwardly mild-mannered Ivins had a menacing side.</p>
<p>Documents show that Ivins recently received psychiatric treatment, and that he was ordered last week to stay away from Jean C. Duley, a social worker who counseled him. In her application for a protective order, Duley wrote that Ivins had stalked and threatened to kill her and had a long history of homicidal threats.</p>
<p>Ivins, 62, committed suicide Tuesday as prosecutors zeroed in on him as a suspect in the 2001 attacks. They planned to indict him and seek the death penalty.</p>
<p>His father, T. Randall Ivins, ran a pharmacy in Lebanon, where the researcher and his two older brothers grew up. After graduation, Ivins received three degrees, including a Ph.D. in microbiology, from the University of Cincinnati.</p>
<p>Tom R. Ivins, 73, who stressed that he had not spoken to his brother since 1985, was not shocked to hear that Bruce was accused of making death threats. He also conceded the possibility that Bruce may have been the anthrax mailer.</p>
<p>“It makes sense, what the social worker said,” said Tom Ivins, who lives in Middletown. “He considered himself like a god.”</p>
<p>Some who knew Ivins said the investigation was too much for him to bear. But they also asserted his innocence.</p>
<p>“The relentless pressure of accusation and innuendo takes its toll in different ways,” his attorney, Paul F. Kemp, said in a statement. “In Dr. Ivins’ case, it led to his untimely death.”</p>
<p>Ivins had worked for the past 18 years at the government’s biodefense labs at Fort Detrick. He and wife Diane, a stay-at-home mom who ran a day care center out of the family’s home, lived nearby in Frederick. They have two adult children: a son, Andy, and a daughter, Amanda.</p>
<p>He worked to develop a vaccine that was effective even when different strains of anthrax were mixed. In 2003, he shared the Decoration for Exceptional Civilian Service — the highest honor for Defense Department civilian employees.</p>
<p>“I think he was just psychologically exhausted by the whole process,” said Dr. W. Russell Byrne, a colleague of Ivins. He said Ivins was “hounded” by FBI agents who raided his home twice.</p>
<p>“There are people who you just know are ticking bombs,” Byrne said. “He was not one of them.”</p>
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		<title>By: calscientist</title>
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		<dc:creator>calscientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 11:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am generally inclined to agree with you, although Greenwald’s post gives me pause.  These guys were willing to do a lot to get a war with Iraq.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am generally inclined to agree with you, although Greenwald’s post gives me pause.  These guys were willing to do a lot to get a war with Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: calscientist</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/01/from-anthrax-to-war-how-about-lets-not-forgive-and-forget/#comment-1565271</link>
		<dc:creator>calscientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 10:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wow.  That is some nice work by Greenwald.  Wow.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  That is some nice work by Greenwald.  Wow.</p>
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		<title>By: LiberalTarian</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/01/from-anthrax-to-war-how-about-lets-not-forgive-and-forget/#comment-1564717</link>
		<dc:creator>LiberalTarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 00:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In the article I read, Dr. Ivins went to great lengths to uncover contamination of anthrax in common areas, outside the lab where one would HOPE TO GOD that very clean lab etiquette prevailed.  He reported the contamination, which he had investigated without permission.  Now why on earth would a potential mass murderer via weaponized anthrax draw attention to himself this way?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;His friends and family say no way.  What, they didn’t know he was a crazed psycho killer as we learned vis a vis his rather poorly trained counselor???  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, earlier today I just thought it was curious.  Now, I have folded up a nice shiny tinfoil hat.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is like a plot to a bad spy movie.  Powerful men in the deep shadows of government attempt to murder/intimidate the opposition.  They fail at their first framing attempt.  Too-smart sci guy gets suspicious, advises his superiors that something is rotten in Denmark, becomes target.  Up and dies suddenly, and the investigation is “solved.”  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This plot is not exactly a new ploy–the murders of the Gracci brothers were pawned off on low-level, low-power stooges in Rome while the real plotters went free.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Don’t be so quick to buy the official story Jane.  &lt;em&gt;These people really are bad, that evil.&lt;/em&gt;  A closed investigation is not justice to the people that died and those that still suffer from their exposure to weapons-grade anthrax.  Unless they can show beyond a reasonable doubt that Dr. Ivins did this thing, it seems to simple an ending to the story–especially since murder appears as one of the options on the official White House table these days.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the article I read, Dr. Ivins went to great lengths to uncover contamination of anthrax in common areas, outside the lab where one would HOPE TO GOD that very clean lab etiquette prevailed.  He reported the contamination, which he had investigated without permission.  Now why on earth would a potential mass murderer via weaponized anthrax draw attention to himself this way?</p>
<p>His friends and family say no way.  What, they didn’t know he was a crazed psycho killer as we learned vis a vis his rather poorly trained counselor???  </p>
<p>So, earlier today I just thought it was curious.  Now, I have folded up a nice shiny tinfoil hat.  </p>
<p>This is like a plot to a bad spy movie.  Powerful men in the deep shadows of government attempt to murder/intimidate the opposition.  They fail at their first framing attempt.  Too-smart sci guy gets suspicious, advises his superiors that something is rotten in Denmark, becomes target.  Up and dies suddenly, and the investigation is “solved.”  </p>
<p>This plot is not exactly a new ploy–the murders of the Gracci brothers were pawned off on low-level, low-power stooges in Rome while the real plotters went free.  </p>
<p>Don’t be so quick to buy the official story Jane.  <em>These people really are bad, that evil.</em>  A closed investigation is not justice to the people that died and those that still suffer from their exposure to weapons-grade anthrax.  Unless they can show beyond a reasonable doubt that Dr. Ivins did this thing, it seems to simple an ending to the story–especially since murder appears as one of the options on the official White House table these days.</p>
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		<title>By: KayInMaine</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/01/from-anthrax-to-war-how-about-lets-not-forgive-and-forget/#comment-1564651</link>
		<dc:creator>KayInMaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 23:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thom Yorke of Radiohead did a song called Harrowdown Hill which is where David Kelly’s body was found:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS37ZSYOwTA&amp;feature=related&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here’s the lyrics:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Don’t walk the plank like I did&lt;br /&gt;
You will be dispensed with&lt;br /&gt;
When you’ve become inconvenient&lt;br /&gt;
Up on Harrowdown Hill&lt;br /&gt;
Where you used to go to school&lt;br /&gt;
Thats where I am&lt;br /&gt;
Thats where I’m lying down&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Did I fall or was I pushed?&lt;br /&gt;
Did I fall or was I pushed?&lt;br /&gt;
And wheres the blood?&lt;br /&gt;
And wheres the blood?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m coming home&lt;br /&gt;
I’m coming home&lt;br /&gt;
To make it all right&lt;br /&gt;
So dry your eyes&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We think the same things at the same time&lt;br /&gt;
We just cant do anything about it&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So don’t ask me&lt;br /&gt;
Ask the ministry&lt;br /&gt;
Don’t ask me&lt;br /&gt;
Ask the ministry&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We think the same things at the same time&lt;br /&gt;
There are so many of us&lt;br /&gt;
So you can’t count&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We think the same things at the same time&lt;br /&gt;
There are too many of us&lt;br /&gt;
So you can’t count&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Can you see me when I’m running?&lt;br /&gt;
Can you see me when I’m running?&lt;br /&gt;
Away from them&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I can’t take their pressure&lt;br /&gt;
No one cares if you live or die&lt;br /&gt;
They just want me gone&lt;br /&gt;
They want me gone&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m coming home&lt;br /&gt;
I’m coming home&lt;br /&gt;
To make it all right&lt;br /&gt;
So dry your eyes&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We think the same things at the same time&lt;br /&gt;
We just cant do anything about it&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We think the same things at the same time&lt;br /&gt;
There are too many of us&lt;br /&gt;
So you can’t count&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was lured into the back of Harrowdown Hill&lt;br /&gt;
It was me lured into the back of Harrowdown Hill&lt;br /&gt;
I was lured into the back of Harrowdown Hill&lt;br /&gt;
It was a slippery slippery slippery slope&lt;br /&gt;
It was a slippery slippery slippery slope&lt;br /&gt;
I feel me slipping in and out of consciousness&lt;br /&gt;
I feel me slipping in and out of consciousness&lt;br /&gt;
I feel me…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thom Yorke of Radiohead did a song called Harrowdown Hill which is where David Kelly’s body was found:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS37ZSYOwTA&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v&#8230;..re=related</a></p>
<p>Here’s the lyrics:</p>
<p><em>Don’t walk the plank like I did<br />
You will be dispensed with<br />
When you’ve become inconvenient<br />
Up on Harrowdown Hill<br />
Where you used to go to school<br />
Thats where I am<br />
Thats where I’m lying down</em></p>
<p>Did I fall or was I pushed?<br />
Did I fall or was I pushed?<br />
And wheres the blood?<br />
And wheres the blood?</p>
<p>I’m coming home<br />
I’m coming home<br />
To make it all right<br />
So dry your eyes</p>
<p>We think the same things at the same time<br />
We just cant do anything about it</p>
<p>So don’t ask me<br />
Ask the ministry<br />
Don’t ask me<br />
Ask the ministry</p>
<p>We think the same things at the same time<br />
There are so many of us<br />
So you can’t count</p>
<p>We think the same things at the same time<br />
There are too many of us<br />
So you can’t count</p>
<p>Can you see me when I’m running?<br />
Can you see me when I’m running?<br />
Away from them</p>
<p>I can’t take their pressure<br />
No one cares if you live or die<br />
They just want me gone<br />
They want me gone</p>
<p>I’m coming home<br />
I’m coming home<br />
To make it all right<br />
So dry your eyes</p>
<p>We think the same things at the same time<br />
We just cant do anything about it</p>
<p>We think the same things at the same time<br />
There are too many of us<br />
So you can’t count</p>
<p>I was lured into the back of Harrowdown Hill<br />
It was me lured into the back of Harrowdown Hill<br />
I was lured into the back of Harrowdown Hill<br />
It was a slippery slippery slippery slope<br />
It was a slippery slippery slippery slope<br />
I feel me slipping in and out of consciousness<br />
I feel me slipping in and out of consciousness<br />
I feel me…</p>
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		<title>By: KayInMaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>KayInMaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 23:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I learned 3 things today about Ivins’ “suicide” while riding in the car listening to news radio:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(it was a CNN news break on WGAN AM560 here in Maine)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1) Ivins’ attorney stated that there were no immediate charges coming to his client&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2) The neighbor to Ivins said via audio that the FBI was at his house a lot and had been for at least a year consistently&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;3) Someone (not sure if it was police, the reporter, or an associate of Ivins’) stated that the FBI mostly likely witnessed Ivins’ death.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Very, very interesting. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The FBI killed him because Ivins was going to blow the doors off by going public with what he knew (he didn’t kill himself because of the “imminent” charges) and this information would have been very damaging to the Bush White House, because as we all know, it was them that sent the anthrax out after 9/11. They had to kill him because he knew too much and wanted to go public to protect himself from what they did. He didn’t want to be the patsy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I learned 3 things today about Ivins’ “suicide” while riding in the car listening to news radio:</p>
<p>(it was a CNN news break on WGAN AM560 here in Maine)</p>
<p>1) Ivins’ attorney stated that there were no immediate charges coming to his client</p>
<p>2) The neighbor to Ivins said via audio that the FBI was at his house a lot and had been for at least a year consistently</p>
<p>3) Someone (not sure if it was police, the reporter, or an associate of Ivins’) stated that the FBI mostly likely witnessed Ivins’ death.</p>
<p>Very, very interesting. </p>
<p>The FBI killed him because Ivins was going to blow the doors off by going public with what he knew (he didn’t kill himself because of the “imminent” charges) and this information would have been very damaging to the Bush White House, because as we all know, it was them that sent the anthrax out after 9/11. They had to kill him because he knew too much and wanted to go public to protect himself from what they did. He didn’t want to be the patsy.</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 22:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If Duley’s assertion were true, how did Mr. Ivins obtain and/or keep a high-level security clearance?  One would think his claimed history and the nature of his employment at a government bio-weapons lab would be dramatically in conflict.  Perhaps those in charge were clueless about why Ivins might have preferred Las Vegas to the Boulder Free Zone and refused to take The Stand on it either way.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As you and others suggest, if Ms. Duley and Mr. Ivins had a mental health provider-patient relationship (ie, were she not involved merely as an administrator forwarding records), her credentials seem laughably inadequate, given the unique stresses of Ivins’ work.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Duley’s assertion were true, how did Mr. Ivins obtain and/or keep a high-level security clearance?  One would think his claimed history and the nature of his employment at a government bio-weapons lab would be dramatically in conflict.  Perhaps those in charge were clueless about why Ivins might have preferred Las Vegas to the Boulder Free Zone and refused to take The Stand on it either way.</p>
<p>As you and others suggest, if Ms. Duley and Mr. Ivins had a mental health provider-patient relationship (ie, were she not involved merely as an administrator forwarding records), her credentials seem laughably inadequate, given the unique stresses of Ivins’ work.</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 22:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bruce Ivins was our top government scientist on anthrax, having passed original and subsequent super-secret clearance investigations, and worked at a site that should be more secure than the White House.  (The latter, after all, requires at least a one-way valve for the escape of hot air, which ought to be a No-No at a government bio-weapons lab).  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yet, the FBI claims that Ivins orchestrated one of the worst terror attacks the US has witnessed, with weapons from his own lab, and successfully linked it at just the right time to Saddam Hussein and 9/11.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Which would be worse: that the FBI is right, and they can’t prove it seven years later, or that they’re wrong and they’ve still got nothing seven years later?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is the government itself involved?  Did it only order a go slow?  Are we not supposed to know that the anthrax murders were an own goal by our own bio-weapons experts using weapons from our own super-secure facilities?  That would convince Americans George Bush and the Goopers know how to keep us safe.  Who leaked selectively to Village reporters, telling them to take Cipro?  And by extension, who failed to tell the rest of official Washington and us?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The black hole that is the CheneyBush administration just got deeper.  One would think a responsible Congress might want to empower a Select Committee to get to the bottom of this, if there is one.  Its leadership was among the anthrax murderers’ prime targets.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce Ivins was our top government scientist on anthrax, having passed original and subsequent super-secret clearance investigations, and worked at a site that should be more secure than the White House.  (The latter, after all, requires at least a one-way valve for the escape of hot air, which ought to be a No-No at a government bio-weapons lab).  </p>
<p>Yet, the FBI claims that Ivins orchestrated one of the worst terror attacks the US has witnessed, with weapons from his own lab, and successfully linked it at just the right time to Saddam Hussein and 9/11.</p>
<p>Which would be worse: that the FBI is right, and they can’t prove it seven years later, or that they’re wrong and they’ve still got nothing seven years later?  </p>
<p>Is the government itself involved?  Did it only order a go slow?  Are we not supposed to know that the anthrax murders were an own goal by our own bio-weapons experts using weapons from our own super-secure facilities?  That would convince Americans George Bush and the Goopers know how to keep us safe.  Who leaked selectively to Village reporters, telling them to take Cipro?  And by extension, who failed to tell the rest of official Washington and us?  </p>
<p>The black hole that is the CheneyBush administration just got deeper.  One would think a responsible Congress might want to empower a Select Committee to get to the bottom of this, if there is one.  Its leadership was among the anthrax murderers’ prime targets.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk James Murphy, M.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk James Murphy, M.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 22:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;intersting media note:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;at the top of the 3PM PST hour, KALW began the BBC’s “newshour”.  [1 hr delay]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The announcement re Ivins included word (IIRC) “who possibly killed himself” — and then led a report of the medical examiner’s announcement.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>intersting media note:</p>
<p>at the top of the 3PM PST hour, KALW began the BBC’s “newshour”.  [1 hr delay]</p>
<p>The announcement re Ivins included word (IIRC) “who possibly killed himself” — and then led a report of the medical examiner’s announcement.</p>
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		<title>By: LS</title>
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		<dc:creator>LS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 21:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So…Hatfill gets off with a big pay-off very, very recently…7 years after the anthrax attacks…Leahy brings up the anthrax case in the hearing very recently with Mukasey….then, suddenly the guy they are “going” to charge…who they “tell” they are going to charge and ask the death penalty for….is not arrested….noooooo.  He’s not arrested and then told.  He is told what is going to happen to him and he…he…eats a bunch of tylenol-3 and is dead as a doornail, before any actual charges are made or an arrest is made, and before anyone can interrogate him to find out if he did it or not…and the MSM is claiming the case will be closed…this ends it…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;WTF???  Do they think we are stooooopid????&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So…Hatfill gets off with a big pay-off very, very recently…7 years after the anthrax attacks…Leahy brings up the anthrax case in the hearing very recently with Mukasey….then, suddenly the guy they are “going” to charge…who they “tell” they are going to charge and ask the death penalty for….is not arrested….noooooo.  He’s not arrested and then told.  He is told what is going to happen to him and he…he…eats a bunch of tylenol-3 and is dead as a doornail, before any actual charges are made or an arrest is made, and before anyone can interrogate him to find out if he did it or not…and the MSM is claiming the case will be closed…this ends it…</p>
<p>WTF???  Do they think we are stooooopid????</p>
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