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	<title>Comments on: If It&#8217;s Tuesday, It Must Be Ted Stevens: Every Week Is Corruption Week For The GOP!</title>
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		<title>By: cleanth</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/29/if-its-tuesday-it-must-be-ted-stevens-every-week-is-corruption-week-for-the-gop/#comment-1561675</link>
		<dc:creator>cleanth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;…by and large most ‘excess’ surrounds political intractability and arrogance.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One of the things drummed into the heads of graduate students in academic fields is the ability to give a good and fair account of positions with which we do not agree.  I may sometimes adduce a position  which I do not necessarily advocate, but I do so in order to make a point, or to advance or evince discussion.  I recall remarking to Suzanne that in one wise I was playing “devil’s advocate” and she wondered if I saw that as my rôle in FDL. I do not, if by that is meant a professional gadfly for the thrill of it. I do believe that there is much to be said for following through discussions where one sometimes adduces arguments (in the intellectual sense of argumentation) for the sake of pointing up aspects. This will entail taking various positions for the sake of argument (discussion).  I think that I make it quite clear where I stand, personally, but there is so much more to the field of discourse than merely personal hobby horses.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Anyway, I have a constitutional aversion to being&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;pik’d up and sorted to a pip&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;–Keats&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;/s&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[To avoid misunderstanding, argumentation, in the philosophical and mathematical senses, in rhetorical senses, means adducing a coherent position statement.]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>…by and large most ‘excess’ surrounds political intractability and arrogance.</p>
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<p>One of the things drummed into the heads of graduate students in academic fields is the ability to give a good and fair account of positions with which we do not agree.  I may sometimes adduce a position  which I do not necessarily advocate, but I do so in order to make a point, or to advance or evince discussion.  I recall remarking to Suzanne that in one wise I was playing “devil’s advocate” and she wondered if I saw that as my rôle in FDL. I do not, if by that is meant a professional gadfly for the thrill of it. I do believe that there is much to be said for following through discussions where one sometimes adduces arguments (in the intellectual sense of argumentation) for the sake of pointing up aspects. This will entail taking various positions for the sake of argument (discussion).  I think that I make it quite clear where I stand, personally, but there is so much more to the field of discourse than merely personal hobby horses.</p>
<p>Anyway, I have a constitutional aversion to being</p>
<blockquote><p>pik’d up and sorted to a pip</p></blockquote>
<p>–Keats</p>
<p>/s</p>
<p>[To avoid misunderstanding, argumentation, in the philosophical and mathematical senses, in rhetorical senses, means adducing a coherent position statement.]</p>
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		<title>By: DrBong</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/29/if-its-tuesday-it-must-be-ted-stevens-every-week-is-corruption-week-for-the-gop/#comment-1561229</link>
		<dc:creator>DrBong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;snark?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;here?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Fainting couch, STAT!!!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;;~P&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>snark?</p>
<p>here?</p>
<p>Fainting couch, STAT!!!</p>
<p>;~P</p>
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		<title>By: DWBartoo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/29/if-its-tuesday-it-must-be-ted-stevens-every-week-is-corruption-week-for-the-gop/#comment-1561225</link>
		<dc:creator>DWBartoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The worst ‘excesses’ I have seen, and experienced came from a certain poster, as many here will not doubt recall.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This poster was quite lacking in the social amenities, and I confess, I was most happy to leave said poster as ‘found’.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Most of us here are happy to learn from others, some of course, are probably not, but by and large most ‘excess’ surrounds political intractability and arrogance.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Misunderstandings do occur, but most here take themselves to task when the misunderstanding becomes uncivil or personal.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At least such I have observed.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The worst ‘excesses’ I have seen, and experienced came from a certain poster, as many here will not doubt recall.</p>
<p>This poster was quite lacking in the social amenities, and I confess, I was most happy to leave said poster as ‘found’.</p>
<p>Most of us here are happy to learn from others, some of course, are probably not, but by and large most ‘excess’ surrounds political intractability and arrogance.</p>
<p>Misunderstandings do occur, but most here take themselves to task when the misunderstanding becomes uncivil or personal.</p>
<p>At least such I have observed.</p>
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		<title>By: DrBong</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/29/if-its-tuesday-it-must-be-ted-stevens-every-week-is-corruption-week-for-the-gop/#comment-1561223</link>
		<dc:creator>DrBong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;…and then there’s me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;;~P&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>…and then there’s me.</p>
<p>;~P</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i believe you are mistaking misquoting with snark :)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i believe you are mistaking misquoting with snark :)</p>
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		<title>By: cleanth</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/29/if-its-tuesday-it-must-be-ted-stevens-every-week-is-corruption-week-for-the-gop/#comment-1561217</link>
		<dc:creator>cleanth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mike has innocently misquoted me:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;And I have been a lifelong believer in the community.&lt;br /&gt;
How old are you&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wrote: “in community”.  Clearly I could not have believed in FDL all my lifelong! But I have done since the very inception of FDL.  I was there at the very beginning.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike has innocently misquoted me:</p>
<blockquote><p>And I have been a lifelong believer in the community.<br />
How old are you</p>
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<p>I wrote: “in community”.  Clearly I could not have believed in FDL all my lifelong! But I have done since the very inception of FDL.  I was there at the very beginning.</p>
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		<title>By: cleanth</title>
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		<dc:creator>cleanth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks, DW.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And thanks to Firepups who are tolerating this exchange tonight.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;DW, I may have misused the term “posters” here.  I have in mind those who post comments. Seems from what you have written that they are more properly denominated “commenters”.  The worst attack I have suffered here has been from a poster to me, a commenter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks to one and all for allowing me to get this matter off my chest.  Glad now to be among &lt;em&gt;most&lt;/em&gt; of you.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, DW.</p>
<p>And thanks to Firepups who are tolerating this exchange tonight.</p>
<p>DW, I may have misused the term “posters” here.  I have in mind those who post comments. Seems from what you have written that they are more properly denominated “commenters”.  The worst attack I have suffered here has been from a poster to me, a commenter.</p>
<p>Thanks to one and all for allowing me to get this matter off my chest.  Glad now to be among <em>most</em> of you.</p>
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		<title>By: cleanth</title>
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		<dc:creator>cleanth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Over 60, less than 70, Mike.  Retired professor.  Lifelong DFH lurking in there, too.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over 60, less than 70, Mike.  Retired professor.  Lifelong DFH lurking in there, too.</p>
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		<title>By: cleanth</title>
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		<dc:creator>cleanth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You would probably be shocked if I sent you the personal attack received from one of the FDL “heroes”.  Of course I will not propagagte this, but I can aver that it was indeed personal and very vicious.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for your very kind words, which &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; appreciated.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You would probably be shocked if I sent you the personal attack received from one of the FDL “heroes”.  Of course I will not propagagte this, but I can aver that it was indeed personal and very vicious.</p>
<p>Thanks for your very kind words, which <em>are</em> appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: foothillsmike</title>
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		<dc:creator>foothillsmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And I have been a lifelong believer in the community.&lt;br /&gt;
How old are you&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I have been a lifelong believer in the community.<br />
How old are you</p>
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