On Friday Republicans blocked a bill in the Senate meant to give regulators more ability to reign in oil speculation (h/t The Zoo). While there's some dispute how much if any of the price of oil is based on speculation, there's reason to think it could be a lot. And current law means that a lot of oil futures trading is done in such a way that we don't even know how much is being done, let alone if it's having any effect. At this point the current law is effectively "we don't even look to see if a crime could be occuring."
3. The Enron exception. Through its political pull with politicians like then Senator Phil Gramm (R-TX), Enron was able to insert language into the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 exempting energy trading companies from oversight by the Commodities Futures Trading Commission (CFTC), the government watchdog agency, in the over-the-counter (OTC) market for “futures-like” instruments. 4. London-Dubai loophole. In January 2006, the Intercontinental Exchange (ICE) with the blessing of the CFTC (via no-action letters) began allowing American traders to trade futures contracts on oil produced and consumed in this country on foreign terminals in the UK thus circumventing reporting requirements to the CFTC regarding large trader activity and speculation caps. (ICE also has an OTC component.) NYMEX joined with the Dubai Mercantile Exchange to launch a similar venture in May 2007.
5. Swaps dealer loophole. Under a 1993 CFTC rule, swaps dealers, investment banks like Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley, were given the same status as traditional futures traders like oil companies and airlines as long as they were considered to be hedging a “legitimate” risk. This allowed large financial funds to enter into swaps contracts with investment banks. A swap contract is essentially an agreement between two parties in which the first party agrees to pay the second a fixed rate of interest on an agreed upon amount, and the second party agrees to pay the first a variable rate on the same amount. The actual principals offset each other so it’s really a mechanism to convert a fixed rate into a variable rate. The trick is that the investment banks use the money they receive to buy something that has a variable value, in this case crude oil futures which they have access to and the funds do not. This has been yet another way for large amounts of outside capital to enter into and distort the operation of the futures market in crude.
6. An ineffectual CFTC. This agency is supposed to regulate futures markets, but in this most anti-regulatory of Administrations, it has given away so much of its authority that it has no idea what is going on in the “dark markets” created by ICE and the Enron exception and no real interest in doing anything about it.
So, the Senate bill, while it doesn't go far enough (I'd slap a percentage tax on all futures and options commodity trading, probably of 1% and I'd increase margin requirements significantly), it's certainly a good basic idea. Even if you don't think futures are doing a thing to oil prices, no liberal can be for all that trading going on in the dark—nor should any markets believer, since transparency in markets is generally considered necessary for them to operate properly, and this is clearly not a transparent market without information asymmetries.
But the real problem is liquidity slop, as has been the case with all bubbles in the past ten years ever since Greenspan slammed the pedal to the metal back in the late nineties and produced far more money stock than there are good investment opportunities. First money went into stocks, and caused the Nasdaq to go from a bull market to a bubble. When that burst, the money went into two places—housing and commodities (not just oil, but commodities as a group). The housing bubble finally burst last year and even more money then flooded into the commodity markets in general, and specifically into oil. Since there is a mechanical link between futures markets and oil prices, the already significant price increases began to bubble over.
While there are different stages to this increase in commodity prices, it should be emphasized that commodity prices began their long increase when Greenspan first released liquidity to end the Asian currency crisis. That has had a wide variety of effects, the first one of which was actually an increase in illegal immigration to the United States. As the prices of staples rose for the poor in Latin American countries, it hurt people on the margins, people barely making it, the most. When you're living on pennies a day and the price of food goes up, you're screwed. So those people headed north and you can see it very clearly on charts of illegal immigration numbers, where the numbers explode in the late 90's.
Another consequence is military. Oil money, the most important form of commodity money, goes in large amounts to the Muslim world. Not to put too fine a line on it, but the richer they are, the more support they are able to give various groups the US doesn't like. Saudi support for Sunni insurgents in Iraq (and Saudi Arabia is where most of their money comes from), for example, is made much more feasible by high oil prices. Subsidies to Palestinian fighters against Israel is made more possible. And so, frankly, is money for folks like al-Qaeda and the Taliban.
In the 90's and the first few years of the 2000's really the Muslim world could only afford to subsidize one war against the West. For a long time that was the Palestinians, but when the US invaded Iraq, the money shifted there. The Saudis and other Sunnis sure as heck weren't going to let an Iranian controlled Shia majority take over without putting up a fight. That left the Palestinians, deprived of both Iraqi support and much Sunni support at the same time, in a bad spot and Ariel Sharon used this period to really put the pressure on, with an eye to enforcing a unilateral two-state solution during the last and probably greatest window of Israeli strength and Palestinian weakness.
Sharon's collapse put an end to that, and his successor horribly bungled the plan, then picked a fight with Hezbollah Israel couldn't win, shattering the myth of Israeli military superiority in the process. And all during this time the price of oil increased and the time came when the Muslim world could support more than one war against the West—could subsidize Iraqi resistance, Palestinian resistance and Afghani resistance all at the same time. Methods honed in Iraq were moved to Afghanistan and insurgent effectiveness soared along with NATO casualties. To be sure this wasn't the only factor, but it is a significant one and often overlooked. A poor Muslim world, one at $20/barrel, simply cannot afford to subsidize multiple wars. Heck, after the oil price collapse in the eighties, it could barely subsidize one, even though that subsidization was done directly by the Saudi government rather than through private individuals, mosques and non-profits.
In the old world, in the Clintonian world before Greenspan broke it, the idea was to keep the periphery poor. Make sure no one has as many dollars as they want for everything they need it for, and they won't do things you don't want them doing, or if they do, they won't be all that effective at it. People had to have dollars to buy the best weapons, if not an oil producing country, to buy oil, and also to buy the future. Wanted to be in on the newest hottest technology? It was happening in the US and if you wanted to play, you had to play in dollars.
Printing too many dollars meant an end to that. It meant that the discipline enforced on countries without hard currencies mostly went away, especially if they had oil. Countries like Venezuela started getting seriously uppity, indeed most of Latin America did. Why not? They had money again; they had resources the US needed more than they needed what the US dollar could buy.
The price, then, of loose monetary policy by the world's hegemonic power with the world's primary currency is the loss of power, the encouragement of its enemies and the flow of immigrants across borders as they seek to go where they can afford to live.
The result, oddly, has been that America has lost pricing power in the things it sells (other than food) and suffered inflation in the thing it must absolutely import: oil. That's an inflation riptide - prices of what you sell not rising as fast as prices of what you have to buy. And since what the US sold most was really paper assets backed by things like housing and since that market is actually in a deflationary spiral, really the US is caught between deflation in what it sells and inflation in what it must buy.
Not a pretty place to be. Add on top of that increased immigration and the fact that its enemies have lots of American cash with which to fight the US, and America is in a world of hurt.
At the end of the day, power doesn't just come from the barrel of a gun, it comes from the economic foundations which make supporting power in all its varieties possible. America is finding out that prosperity bought with fake money is likewise fake, and that fake prosperity leads to hollow power.
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Ian,
Great analysis. Thanks as always for showing us the forest rather than the trees!
Bullseye.
As per usual.
This graph is definitely one of my five favorites.
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Great piece.
ANyone want to buy a country - cheap
Hey Ian!
Dugg, thanks Boo
We’re fucked.
Dugg. Thanks BooRadley
Sounds like nominations for the American Freedom Award are in order
1. Phil Gramm
2 Alan Greenspan
and upvote on reddit
Thanks Ian.
Well, it was the House of Saud’s money that financed 9/11…!
You’d think that anyone who understood our history would know this. Traditionally, we were an economic power in spite of not having a large standing military. That changed in the Twentieth Century, for both good and bad reasons, but we seem to have utterly forgotten that keeping a strong military going requires a strong economy.
Sigh.
This gives a whole new meaning to taking it to the mattresses, eh?
I don’t get how we,the little people can fix this. If Congress has all the power,and they have a vested interest in not putting our best interests first,then how will this ever get better? They’ll never outlaw lobbyists,who really yield all the power and write the laws. Congress won’t vote against lobbyists by regulating their industries,just like they won’t vote against their own pay raises.
I know,I sound negative,but honest to god,there’s not much left for them to steal or sell out from under us. Short of total anarchy,what’s left? Voting for good people who care is fine,but they seem to be vastly outnumbered and overruled.
Sorry,I guess I’m just overwhelmed. My husband lost his job after 15 yrs last week and I’m feeling really deflated.
(((A Mom Anon)))
As inflation climbs and a loaf of bread costs four pounds of money what have you gained
Good thing Katie Coric isn’t logged on, Ian, you’d have to explain this twice more and then again, so she can just see if she’s understanding. You know, microcosmically speaking.
I’m sorry to read that about you’re husband’s job. At the moment, I’m not feeling terribly optimistic, either. I suppose I keep going because the alternative, just letting it happen, is even worse.
Ditto
Know what people shouldm be outraged about as much as gas, or almsot, the price of a fucking gallon of milk. Piss me off.
Great job, Ian. I hung in there with this and glad I did. Just so I could understand it microcomically speaking.
sorry.
Thanks everyone.
I’m sorry to hear that…as if everything else weren’t NOT peachy, you have this too. Not fair at all.
All i can see that we can do is massive protests.
I don’t care if people say they don’t work, you do them until someone notices.
certainly not any weight!!
And there will be a lot of people voting for McCain because Obamas middle name is Hussein
Be afraid of stupid people in large numbers.
Prediction:
Things will hold together until Nov.3 and then
Ian, this article furthers your basic argument…
Bernie Sanders sums it up beautifully…
wow - ian’s given us a GUT (a grand unified theory). where to start?
… i guess with S.3268 - the D’s anti-(oil)speculation bill. the whole thing this past week seemed very strange to me. last month the Ds brought up a stupid energy bill (S.3044) which failed it’s first cloture vote.
then this month the Ds put forward S.3268, which i thought was a much better bill. reid submitted the bill on 7/15, filed for cloture (on a motion to proceed, i believe), and the first cloture vote passed 94-0 on tuesday. then reid file for cloture on the bill itself to prevent any amendments from being considered. this royally pissed off the Rs who then proceed to vote against cloture on friday. wtf?
seems like lots of kabuki, from the Rs for sure and maybe also from the Ds?
Before I forget, I wanted to put up a link. It’s an op-ed that McCain did that was printed (His Senate website has bunches). It was written before the Surge actually started. Mostly the same ol’ happy horseshit. But even he said:
Similarly, the Marines in Anbar province report substantial progress in reducing the nonsectarian, al-Qaeda-based violence that is the predominant cause of instability there.
http://mccain.senate.gov/publi.....6c6a780d65
sorry about the OT. Back to economics.
Thanks for the post. Hugh’s lis is also very useful. The function of the oil futures market is to calculate a good prediction of the future ‘fundamental’ equilibrium price on the flow market. If a large portion of that market is completely unregulated and unobservable, that destroys any assurance that it will perform that function. So the items on Hugh’s list are not examples of opening up more opportunities for market magic, they point to potentially very serious problems with the way the market functions. Shutting them down is not an example of suffocating regulation, it is simply imposing standard rules so that the oil futures market does what it supposed to do.
You need to know how many barrels of oil people are offering for deliver in the future, and at what price. You also need to know either a) that there are contracts to buy the same number of the barrels of oil at the same price at the same future date, or b) if there is a discrepancy, when, how much, to whom those extra barrles promised to buy or sell are going, and why. Most modern futures exchanges have rules that guarantee option a) is always the case. Option b) is almost always against the rules.
We also can’t see if there is any self-dealing or market power being exercised, even we knew we were in an option a) situation. It has obviously happened in fact (initial stages of CA regulation) and can even happen in theory, so even an economist should be convinced. In theory, it can happen when several large players can make simultaneous trades to buy and sell, setting up dilemmas for people in the market that do not have access to as much liquidity (cash money, in other words). If any commenter wants to see the theory, ask and I will post a couple of references.
So, I agree with Ian that we don’t know how much of recent price increases are due to speculation. Even if it speculation has not been a major factor, the Phil Gramm/Enron, and swap exemption and other items on Hush’s list are bad and opportunities for bad trouble.
And remember, Phil Gram thinks everything is working fine, has no regrets, and is still an advisors to McCain, even if stripped of his official titles.
And another point, what should be considered a major factor is partly a function of how high the price is. At low prices the high end estimates of 25% of price might not cause havoc. However, from an historically high price, even a 5% or 10% premium, if sudden and at the wrong time, might create a very big problem. Especially in the midst of an historic financial crisis, and at the beginning of what may be a very severe recession.
So, I guess more and better grass roots congress critters powered by small contributers is one thing we can do to help shut down the Bush/Gramm casinos and myserty meat financial fiascos.
(((A Mom Anon)))
It’s a bad time. But the Congresses in the 20s weren’t much better, in truth. There’s a lag between changing time and kicking the bumbs out or their realizing times have changed. For what little it’s worth I think 2010 will see some significant changes in the House, as will this election. But 2010 is likely to be more populust. Hopefully progressive populist and not conservative populist (they do exist.)
They’ve no shame. Truly if Democrats lose this debate they’re beyond incompetent.
Which is why I’m scared, sadly.
This is the inverse of the massive transfer of wealth from the middle class to the wealthy, and the unfair distribution of the gains from productivity improvements. If the money were distributed to the middle class and the working poor, it would have stayed in circulation, instead of piling up in the hands of the wealthy. The top 1% of income is highly concentrated in the wealthy, who want very high returns. They ran out of investment options, and turned to speculation.
The cure? Tax the heck out of wealth. The Bush cure? Cut capital gains taxes, cut taxes on repatriated money, and hide everything behind a rolling wave of PR and ideology.
it’s true that us “little” people don’t have much of a say on our own. i guess that’s why we organize to try to amplify the power of our actions. (A Mom Anon)
Went to post a comment and wound up in the hinterland
i’m not sure they are trying to win the debate - at least not if “win” means to get good legislation passed. it looks more like the Ds are trying to show how they would pass good legislation if only they had more Ds in congress (so that we will vote for more Ds in nov).
i don’t think i agree about the 1% tax on futures trades. but i definitely agree w/ increasing margin requirements. also taxing hedge fund managers earnings as income and not capital gains.
but schumer was a co-sponsor of S.3268. hard to imagine he would have been if those measures had been taken.
Why does every major bill have to pass the 60 vote threshold… Why did Trent Lott rarely ever had to overcome that threshold when he was the Majority Leader…? So WTF?
even stranger - this time it was entirely reid’s doing (as far as i can tell). the Rs wanted to propose a bunch of stupid amendments. but so what? bring them to a vote and vote them down.
here’s the link to specter’s rant thursday night (h/t newtonusr for telling me about it)
2010: Republican talking point. - the dems took over and the world went hell in a hand basket
Apologies about the OT. I know several of you have been following the ICE Postville raid in my neck of the woods.
Potential labor violations etc.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07.....1&hp#
Massive protest show that people are taking action. Others witness this and the ball starts rolling. The big problem is MSM will NOT cover the protests or will downplay them. This doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be done. The danger is potential violence by the authorities and, then, they will justify marshall law. What to do?
Road Trip!
And it didn’t cost any gas.
:)
I just don’t have the brains to wrap some of these economic posts.
I know that I have barely enought $ to pay the bills. But, I still do and that’s a good thing. Haven’t had to sell any of the kids our pets…yet.
good question. And why are the GOP Senators still allowed the ‘gentleperson’s filibuster’ where they just announce one, while other business continutes. They made Dodd stand up and talk, even to begin one. If the GOP used the filibuster is used for obviously narrow partisan and electioneering purposes, then they should be made to stand up for a few days and explain themselves to the public.
But the Democratic Congressional leadership has endless excuses to for itself.
For what it’s worth, everything Obama sells on his website is made in the USA.
Is that a start?
Keep the kids. You can always eat them later.
For:
Read:
Sharon’s collapse put an end to that, and his successor horribly bungled the plan, like Sharon before him he picked a fight with Hezbollah Israel couldn’t win. Sharon’s paniced withdrawal of the Israeli invaders from Lebanon shattering the myth of Israeli military invincibility. His successor repeated Sharon’s mistake and the headlong withdrawal of the Israeli invasion force shattered the myth of Israeli military superiority.
Thus far the Hizb vs. Israel score is:
Hizb 3, Israel 0.
I’d like some justifications please Ian for the statements quoted hereunder:
First I object profoundly to the statement that the “Muslim World” was waging a war against the west.
Please provide evidence that Malaysia and Indonesia the two most populuous Muslim nations were engaged in any form of warfare with what you term the “west” (by which I presume you mean in fact the “North”) once you’ve provided that I’d like to see some evidence that Turkey also was engaged in some form of warfare with the North. Once you’ve done that please move on to provide similar evidence for warlike activity by the Central Asian republics.
Arabs as I’m sure you know constitute about 18% of the world’s Muslim population. Since when has 18% constituded a “world”?
In fact I would like to see some evidence that any state other than Syria, Libya, and very ocassionally Jordan provided assistance to the Palestinians as most of Fatah’s seed money in fact came from the Egyptian Ikhwanis (and they very quickly lost patience with Fatah.)
As to this:
Yes indeed and there is a tiny crossover of personnel. You are missing an extremely point which is that there is a substantial trade in technology transfer amongst NSA military actors. Rather a lot of the carbombs in Irak are based on IRA designs. And as a highly experienced felix (markfromireland) has repeatedly pointed out the technology behind the shaped charge goes back to before the American revolution. There are rather a lot of soviet era shells in Afghanistan. This is NOT rocket science.
I think you need to think this through rather more.
Dubhaltach
Oh, dear heavens. Do you have a job?
With as little tabasco sauce and some pickles, eh?
Jest like chicken?
You noticed. Me too. I had my college student son read this..and his comment was, “We’re in the shitter, Mom..and we put ourselves there. Hope we’re all proud.”
GOP hangs together Dems form circular firing line
I guess this means universal health care is out of the window.
Sorry to read that. I hope you succeed in weathering this storm.
Du
Ohhh
sure you can wrap your head around them. i need to read parts over again a few times. Like Ian mentioned how printing more money was bad, When I was a kid that was my answer to everything. People are poor? Just print more money.
Got the chores done? I went swimming. The weeds will be there tomorrow.
blah, blah, blah.
No disrespect.
highly disrepectful in fact :-)
Ian has quite simply made some completely counterfactual statements in an otherwise good piece.
Think you made some good points
thank you
“In an interview, Mr. Martin said the company had contracted with an outside firm, the Jacobson Staffing Company, to handle its hiring, and new safety officers, including one former federal work safety inspector.” I looked this outfit up; the company has hired a payrolling firm; Jacobson will do all the vetting for immigration, perhaps some training, etc. but THEY will hire the workers. If they are lucky, the workers might get a situation where they will work on Jacobson’s payroll for several months as a ‘training period’ and then get hired by the processor. more than likely, however, what will happen is that they will be promised something like, “if you work out, you might get a job” and they will never get jobs. This is another gambit companies use.
I did some chores, but, I’ve still got some writing homework to do. Am procrastinating. The mister’s got to go to a music rehearsal. I’ll write then. Yeah. That’s it. Ha.
I remember when the kids were young and I’d say, no, we can’t afford that, we don’t have enough money and they would say just got to the atm.
I took a coupla lessons on that before they understood.
McCain is trying to trump up cancelled Obama trip to military hospital into a vile smear.
McCain Ad: Obama Isn’t There For The Troops Unless Cameras Are Around
http://tpmelectioncentral.talk.....re_for.php
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Of course, McCain has similar hospital visits cancelled for the very same reason, but if you are a depraved liar and putrid hypoctrite, what they hey?
Needs to be very hard pushback on the “New McCain” who it turns out is a dishonerable, lying smear and fear monger.
How many transparent lies has he told in just the last week. I could not believe he was not ruined by his lies about the surge and the Sunni Awakening. Not only did the Awakening occur before the surge, but in fact the surge did not protect people. A lot of Sunni’s died for it, including the Iraqi who inititated Sunni participation. And, one of the US officers who initiated it. So, not only did McCain lie, he used and dishonered dead heros in the course of his lie.
McCain has really turned into a vicious degraded, ruthless, exhausted crooked old poll, hasn’t he? And desperate. Reminds me a little of Dole, so it might not work, but still, it is dangerous.
There needs to be real sqauk about how vile McCain has become. Need to run a commercial with McCains pledge to run a respectful and civil campaign, then an immediate cut to one of McCain’s recent lies with a truthful narration of the facts to conclude. Need to hit back hard on this kind of stuff. I do not want to see Obama go Kerry or Gore at this point, that would be a disaster.
Dubhaltach - thanks. i had some different bits to question, and was holding off because i had been hoping for ian to continue past discussions on the energy speculation/bubble/deregulation issue. but since you’ve already started the ball rolling….
i think sharon only became prime minister in 2001? so i don’t see him as the prime mover in israel’s settlement policy in the mid nineties. that was barak (with apparently clinton’s approval) who doubled the number of settlers in occupied palestine. also, i don’t see sharon as enforcing a unilateral two-state solution, unless by that you mean that the palestinians get gaza and the israelis get most (or all) of the west bank.
The majority of money going to the Sunni resistance was from Saudi Arabia. It was not officially from the government, but then I never said it was. If you wish to change it to Arab world, I certainly don’t object though that’s not entirely accurate either (Iranians not being Arab), but then I’ve never considered giving money to the insurgency to be something for Muslims, or Arabs to be particularly ashamed of. They are, after all, a resistance movement. No? And large amounts of money moves from Iran into Lebanon and Iraq as well. Some at the government level, much through various charities. When there is more money floating around due to high oil prices, more money gets out. I don’t consider this particularly controversial and I am surprised you seem to be disputing it.
I said nothing to disrespect Hizbollah and you’re misreading if you think I did. Nonetheless, the defeat in 2006 was substantially different than the earlier withdrawal. Winning a guerilla war and winning a stand up fight are two very different things, as I’m sure you well know. The first did not shatter Israel’s aura as having an excellent conventional military. I will point out that I am one of the only people I know, who, when the war started, declared that Israel would lose it.
I said methods were moved to Afghanistan. The technology is not the point, again as I think you know. The strategy is, and the Iraqi strategy is not the strategy used in the previous Afghani guerilla campaign against the Russians. Weapons often exist for a long time, but how they are used is what matters - not their existence. A good example from history is machine guns - in colonial armies they were offensive weapons, but when used in large numbers in Europe they turned out to be defensive weapons. That was not expected.
ian - do you see any chance of anti-(oil)speculation legislation passing congress? the cftc has made a few little moves to actually do some regulating. but after this week’s nonsense i wonder if congress can get it’s act together or are they all too focused on november?
I don’t know if I agree with some of Ian’s points on MidEast politics. But, Sharon and his faction were verty strong supporters in Israeli poltics for more settlements, long before he became prime minister. Is that not correct?
My reply to that is that going right back to the foundation of Israel they’ve been detemined to create a series of Bantustans as a way of driving the Palestinians to the absolute margins. Bantustans didn’t work for the other apartheid regime and it won’t work for the Israelis. I don’t see any difference in the strategic goal between the ILP, on one end of the spectrum and Kadhima on the other. They differ, a little, in their ethnic cleansing tactics but the goal is the same.
Du! How nice to see you! Hope all is well with the family.
Glad to see your experienced eye and mind again.
Oh come on, we are being ridiculously nitpicky. It was Sharon who suggested the fence, and if anyone thinks he didn’t intend to simply unilaterally make that the new border, I have some nice water fed land on a high point in the West Bank to sell you.
And yes, giving the Palestinians the worthless Gaza and taking the best parts of the West Bank was the plan. The key was to do it at the point of maximum Israeli power, maximum Palestinian weakness.
With all due respect, except in the long term it doesn’t matter whether you or I think bantustans work. What matters is whether Israelis, and specifically Israeli leaders think they work. S. African whites kept a much higher percentage of blacks under control for a long time using bantustans and other methods. I have written before that Israel as a religious state is doomed and frankly I think the two-state fantasy is dead too, but y’know, it could take 50 years to end this, and 50 years is a long time if you’re living it. Especially in a Bantustan.
If you don’t increase the marginal cost of such trades you don’t decrease the amount of it. The tax is absolutely necessary, though the exact amount can be argued. Derivatives are trading at way too many times actual world GDP and they need to be slowed down.
The tax money won’t hurt either.
Not till 2011. Nothing serious, anyway. Although if things get really ugly they may be forced to.
even before that… iirc, sharon had some cabinet position in the late ’70s or early ’80s that he used to support the some of the worst of the settlement movements. one of these was gush emunim which early on founded the settlement which became kedumim. in 2002 i had the pleasure of meeting some of the settlers at kedumim, which is probably why i remember this bit of this history (just hope i’ve gotten it mostly right).
ah, i misunderstood what you meant by the “two-state solution” - i took that to mean the creation of a viable palestinian state, even if much reduced from the green line border.
I don’t think a viable palestinian state is possible, except if it’s identical to Israel + occupied territories. No unless you’re willing to move almost all the settlers. They’ve done their best to create “facts on the ground” that make it impossible to have enough water, amongst other things.
In the 1850’s & 1860’s the U.S. violated treaty after treaty with the Sioux Nation - Something the supreme court called the blackest period in U.S. history. The Hearst family got the Homestake gold mines. Do things really change?
dr kirk is upstairs
completely agree - and have since i saw some of those “facts on the ground.” but i’ve been in the minority on that (although it cw may be changing?) and didn’t know your position.
p.s. thank you very much for continuing the speculation discussion - even if we didn’t seem to have a critical mass tonight to have the topic really take off. please don’t take my comments as anything more than extreme interest. i appreciate your give and take in the threads - makes for a more challenging and interesting conversation.
Is there anything better that the C-Span Congressional Chronicle (Beta version)? Nice get, selise.
I know all of you hate Specter’s freaking guts - he talks a good game but falls flat when it’s time to stand up - but he speaks his mind, which is a helluva lot more than I can say for our team.
Doc Murphy is upstairs…
good point - when the kabuki obscures, and i’m confused… the benefit of having someone say what they think from the house or senate floor is a good thing. wish we had more of it.
You’re missing my point vis a vis the Hizb victories. The first two proved Israel was not invincible. Running away is a well known tactic engaged in exclusively by the losing armies in any war.
The most recent Hizb victory proved that the IDF weren’t able to win in a conventional war either. Thereby shattering the myth of superiority.
I was being very precise when I said technology transfer. Technology transfer at least as it used in my profession (bomb disposal officer and now a field activity analyst) involves transferring the expertise to use the technology effectively. There’ve been some alarmingly effective innovations in Afghanistan involving vastly more effective kill boxes.
I said methods were moved to Iraq. The technology is not the point, again as I think you know. The strategy is, and the Iraqi strategy is not the strategy used in the previous Afghani guerilla campaign against the Russians. Weapons often exist for a long time, but how they are used is what matters - not their existence. A good example from history is machine guns - in colonial armies they were offensive weapons, but when used in large numbers in Europe they turned out to be defensive weapons. That was not expected.
Oh I think I think I understood you Ian. Let’s deal with Iran first:
Iranian money (and weapons?) have been going to the Sunni resistance? To their sworn enemies? I’ll grant that the arms trade doesn’t give a damn about who they sell to so some weapons from Iran probably have made their way into the hands of the likes of IAI and 1920 brigades. Iranian government money, Iranian government arms and materiel or other assistance such as logistical support. No.
Same objection to Iranians funding any of the groups associated with either Fadhila or the Jaish al-Mahdi. Not going to happen because not being fools the Iranians tend to think in rather long timespans and the short-term gain is far outweighed by the long term costs of strenghtening the groups in Irak who hate your guts. It is very difficult to describe how intensely Iranians are detested in Irak.
Where the Iranian money has gone to is Badr. Not surprising when you think about it.
I’m not entirely convinced about the “Sunni” groups getting the lions share of their money from Saudi either. Yes some got a lot from Saudi individuals and foundations, also a fair bit from the Emirates. That has gone mostly to groups like the black banner brigades not to Ba’ath groups who had a hell of a lot of money and materiel salted away already. A lot of what is reported as “Al-Qaeda” activity is in fact Ba’ath.
No it doesn’t matter what you and I think about the bantustan policy and the time frame could well be right - it was one of your profession who said in the long run we’re all dead not one of mine :-)
oh, and yes - now i want the same thing for ALL congressional hearings.
and when we get that, i will be agitating for good quality mp3 podcasts, and decent audio streaming for folks on dial up, and searchable transcripts in html and pdf. all available same day, ‘natch.
what comes after that i’ll have to think about. *g*
Laura thanks. Back for a week then off again. Erdla and the
hordechildren are at our summer place in the archipelago but following a phone call from me are travelling back tomorrow. I am looking forward to that. :-)“At the end of the day, power doesn’t just come from the barrel of a gun, it comes from the economic foundations which make supporting power in all its varieties possible.”
Not at the end, at the beginning. One has the army one can afford. One does not have the economy to fund the army one wishes for.
I’ve wondered about that especially since Col. Dhaib, has been making some noise recently…
Correction, I meant Al Duri…
The Ba’ath never went away. Booting ‘em unceremoniously from every single position and following it up with the death squad campaign against former officers (especially air force and the Medina division) well, I understand the reasons why, but the thing about the Ba’ath is that when the going gets tough the Ba’ath get nasty. They don’t believe that stuff about being good losers as far as they’re concerned you play to win and the only rule is win
The GZG is certainly dragging their feet on the de-Ba’athification law, along with every other nationalist bill like the Provincial elections, Oil, etc…!
On the de-Ba’athification law the latest version had some very nasty provisions in it. To get an amnesty you had to register with the interior ministy………………..
Re the top of this post on oil futures markets, James Hamilton has another go at estimating equlibrium price/quantity on flow market. His reasoning seems OK to me. But, he is still using US inventories to evaluate stock accumulation, which seems like a mismatch when trying to figure out the world market -expecially when world inventory shows significantly higher stocks relative to recent past than US data for most of last 18 months. But, there are good data here. Hamilton is sticking with
mostly all fundamentals story. But then he stuck with no housing bubble significant for national economy line for far too long also. And, for a famous economist, missed some technical “funny stuff” in his regressions results that he used to support his conclusions.
But he might be right this time. He certainly knows more about how futures markets work than 90% the purorted experts I see in the media.
http://www.econbrowser.com/arc.....s_and.html
But in fariness to Hamilton, the world stock data show stock declines from very high levels precisely when big price increases started early this years. So, using worldwide inventory data would not produce evidence that he is wrong.
Oof! Btw, on the Oil law, will the Kurds actually come around and s