Today, the HJC is having a hearing on a number of issues surrounding the Bush Administration’s conduct while in office — and the constitutional responsibilities that Congress must exercise with regard to accountability and restoration of balance of powers. As Caroline Frederickson of the ACLU says:
…Since taking office in 2001, George W. Bush’s administration has been responsible for vastly expanding the role of the executive branch and implementing policies curbing the rights of everyday Americans. Under the Bush regime, Americans have seen their government violate the Fourth Amendment by spying on its citizens without warrants, sanctioning torture, and practicing extraordinary rendition. All the while, members of the administration attempted to game the system and avoid accountability by improperly invoking the state secrets privilege and falsely claiming immunity.
“From signing statements to Guantanamo, the Bush administration has proven to be opportunistic and eager to work at or beyond the boundaries of the law,” Fredrickson said. “It has expanded the role of the executive branch by skirting the law for its own ends and perpetuating a war on our system of checks and balances. Our Constitution does not bend with the whim of whoever sits in the Oval Office. No matter who is in the White House six months from now, there must be a clear commitment to upholding the rule of law.”
Time and time again, we have seen the Bush Administration’s contempt for the rule of law and the other branches of government. So where is the accountability?
Jane recently had a lengthy discussion with Bruce Fein on Bloggingheads.tv about these issues that is well worth a watch. As we slog through today’s HJC hearing, I can’t help but wonder why so much of the more in-depth, constructive conversations and actions about these issues seem to be held outside the halls of power?
(H/T to Crooks and Liars for the YouTube above.)
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Impeach!
Hello again…
Bugliosi up – no visible frothing at the mouth – yet…
oops – he drew applause – Lamar Smith wants the room cleared (as opposed to shutting down the hearing, I’d guess).
Meant to mention that the HJC hearing continues on C-Span1, for those who want to watch it. They are doing opening statements for the second panel.
Second Panel:
The Honorable Elizabeth Holtzman, Former Representative from New York
The Honorable Bob Barr, Former Representative from Georgia, 2008 Libertarian Nominee for President
The Honorable Ross C. “Rocky” Anderson, Founder and President, High Roads for Human Rights
Stephen Presser, Raoul Berger Professor of Legal History, Northwestern University School of Law
Bruce Fein, Associate Deputy Attorney General, 1981-82, Chairman, American Freedom Agenda
Vincent Bugliosi, Author and former Los Angeles County Prosecutor
Jeremy A. Rabkin, Professor of Law, George Mason University School of Law
Elliott Adams, President of the Board, Veterans for Peace
Frederick A. O. Schwarz, Jr., Senior Counsel, Brennan Center for Justice at NYU School of Law
I second that.
Impeach!
Impeach!
I am listening to the the Hearings. Is that King asking to clear the room? Dickhead.
I am wondering what Conyers is thinking right now.
At least they don’t have Rivkin shilling for the rightards.
yes, that’s the King dickhead.
Vincent Bugliosi managed adroitly to accuse Bush of murder and impeachable offenses without actually naming him which he could not do under House rules.
So what is impeachable for Stephen Presser? Rabkin, what is his background, anyone know?
IMPEACH PROSECUTE INCARCERATE and then use EXTRAORDINARY RENDITION and ship their ASSES to THE HAGUE for TRIAL for WAR CRIMES and CRIMES against HUMANITY!
Jeremy Rabkin: I’m here to establish a balance. George Bush is God.
Are Bush and Cheney running McCain’s campaign now?
From the hearing announcement:
Jeremy A. Rabkin, Professor of Law, George Mason University School of Law
and speaking of underreported scandals that may never see light of day :D
Bradblog (among others) is now carrying a story of Rove threatening Ohio operative (their IT guy no less) with ‘ya better take the fall or we’re gonna prosecute your wife for lobbying violations !’
e-mails, requests for immunity and witness protection, yep the usual sh*t
link
ps – found it when I went looking for video of yesterday’s Congressman Ellison bitchslapping Von Spakvosy – juicy transcript tidbits here
At least they don’t have Rivkin shilling for the rightards.
heh. Conyers just introduced ‘Rabkin’, and I wasn’t sure, not trusting my ears, whether to expect the vision of a clown-suit or not…
ok – disregard the above – “Rabkin” is equally suited for a clown suit. Anybody got a nice big round rubber nose and a water-squirting daisy?
Please don’t shout in all caps in the comments. Thanks.
from Kagro:
Jeremy Rabkin SHUT YOUR FACE… he thinks we should just appease BUSH WTF. He is freaking blind to the facts!
For reasons I will never understand Chairman Conyers appears indifferent – dare I say worn out and must wonder why he even bothered to hold this hearing. sigh….
Rabkin forgets about the anthrax attack too.
This guy really is a smug asshole.
“the tone of these deliberations in demented”
Rabkin now joins Rivkin in the dickhead hall of fame.
Thinks they are in a bubble and the rest of the country doesn’t care about the crap W’s been doing.
Not.
Sorry Christy but thought I was using then correctly to high lite the important words in my comment!
Rabkin: War time Presidents don’t pay attention to the Constitution, and that’s a good thing.
You know this is the line of argument that Yoo used in his infamous memo justifying torture.
He’s astonished and thinks that the attitude in the hearing is demented, that they are living in a bubble.
And yes, I think he is off his meds.
kagro x pointed out the good perfesser does not have law degree but teaches Con Law
I’ve always fancied a particle physics gig myself
Conyers is too old for this job. He knows it, but he likes it too much to step down.
here’s your coke RevDeb :D
some twit up after Vincent Bugliosi – shocked everyone is so upset! surely, congress can work things out!
That statement concerning Presidents and wartime justifies ignoring the Constitution for this guy. That is a seriously messed up attitude and with that kind of thinking dictatorships are born.
Anybody got a nice big round rubber nose and a water-squirting daisy?
I bet present witness FAO Schwarz could get his hands on some…
don’t do coke products.
How about a mint julep?
Presser and Rabkin are like two characters at the rail of the Titanic ridiculing and making rude comments about those who are demented enough to think the ship is sinking and have headed to the lifeboats.
here ya go, and from what I’m reading, makin’ it a double !
Christy – any pithyness(vs. pissiness; that’s Goopers) from Maurice Hinchey? I had to go out for a meeting.
Lying about having an affair.
Under Presser’s theory of impeachment, setting up concentration camps for illegal immigrants and gassing them would not be an impeachable offense, since it wouldn’t have been done for personal gain. It would just be a policy difference.
Elliot Adams, Veterans for Peace – ‘a republic if you can keep it’ and that is why we are here.
Nor do I but at least I’ve read the Constitution.
Maurice Hinchey was good!
This is such a sad day.
I remember watching the Watergate hearings. In those days—well before cable—everyone had access to the same thing and there was a large and wide audience watching congress nobly do their job. I will NEVER forget Barbara Jordan.
As awful as it all was, I was proud of our system of government and it’s ability to self-correct.
Those days seem to be over.
I am ashamed of the US Congress.
i’m having all kinds of trouble with the lake – i got shut out on the 2 previous threads – kept getting some type of error message…. and this week i also had trouble getting in!! have i been barred or WTF? splain please somebody..
Tubes trouble, Juslin. Hi NSA!!
Yeah a BJ… he didn’t want his wife to find out, wouldn’t you try to cover it up and no died because of it!! Just how many have died and how many have been maimed because of BushCo???
Damn, I missed it. Maurice is NOT my guy, but he represents a good chunk of our county so we end up going to his meetings, fundraisers, etc. I’ve talked to him personally a couple of times. He hates Bush and Cheney and what they have done. The guy looks like the social studies teacher you had in 10th grade in about 1966(where DOES he get that hair pomade), but he knows an impeachable offense when he sees it.
Adams – we in military put our life on line, founding fathers were faced with hanging, now, gentlemen, it is your time to stand up for constitution.
(not quite verbatum)
juslin – it’s the same problem we’re all having.
thought adams was inspiring.
I learned from other FDLers at Netroots Nation that FDL has suffered some vicious attacks.
what a yawner.
(Bruce Fein excepted)(loved his line about “I’m changing the names involved to protect the guilty”).
hey, Toby! yes, NY should be proud
Bob Barr – remember the Atomic Clock counting down to midnight, also the National Debt clock counting up, now we have the Constitutional Clock
can they get away with callinghim ”Beorge Gush” to get around that ”no naming names” rule?
Hinchey is the rep I would have if I voted in the country. He is well liked in his district.
The Panel is doing final summations now. Holtzman, Barr & Anderson made strong arguments for action. Anderson was more scholarly than I expected. He was reading from a prepared text, and responded directly debunking some previous testimony.
Bob in HI
We stand up for the rule of law which is under attack from all directions—so I guess we are on the front lines of the war on the Constitution.
It’s Friday, He wants to be home
From David Swanson:”Our hope lies in the likelihood that Conyers’ calculation is wrong when he supposes that Democrats will benefit from publicizing the case for impeachment and not suffer for failing to pursue it. If the public makes clear its demand for action, not just talk, the door that is cracking open may be very difficult to shut. “Stop the preaching and start impeaching” is a cheer that may be heard at a gathering of impeachment activists outside the Rayburn Building immediately following the hearing.”
“IF the public makes clear it’s demand”; THAT is what needs to be done.
And Hooray for Elliot Adams of Veterans for Peace.
And this is who Stephen Presser is:
http://judiciary.senate.gov/ol…..601Pre.htm
Anderson – Professors Presser and Rabkin -> “atrocious scholarship.”
warning – panties-in-a-wad screeching dead ahead!
” in any way in the milky way” ; great statement. And Fein’s statement about the people giving power to the Executive Branch hoists Presser on his own petard per what Presser said to the Senate Judiciary Cmte.
Sorry OT but
Guantanamo testimony: U.S. let bin Laden’s top bodyguard go
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/world/story/45505.html
Do you think maybe, just maybe there has been some connection to the CIA or something? I know this is deep conspiracy territory, but come on. There is ample evidence that many of the folks at Guantanamo are completely innocent. Meanwhile we let go without charges “the Top bodyguard” to Osama bin Laden? This strikes me as a cover-up. What did this guy know? What possible reason would the US government have for releasing this person?
Meanwhile innocent people are in jail without any hope of release for years on end. I am flabbergasted.
Shorter Presser: Mein Fuehrer, right or wrong.
Why has this group gotten a second round when the first didn’t
I’m having the same trouble, Juslin, it sure isn’t just you.
I figure all they’re doing is alerting us to what’s a really important post.
Bruce Fein quoting Barbara Jordan = no question of Executive Power, Prez has only the power we give it.
said “no way in the milky way” !!
can’t leave this around like loaded weapon – becomes prescedent.
Are you sure he was let go and not taken to some torture chamber
perhaps because Dennis was on the first?
Yessirree. Wear flack jacket & helmet when I go out.
vincent bugliosi is my hero
I was thinking about Barbara Jordan’s amazing speeches during that time period this morning, along with so many others through the years. I woke up today with the worst headache — just a splitting one that is making my eyes throb, which is why I’m not liveblogging this hearing today.
What I’d really love is simply a roundtable discussion — a real, honest, open-ended debate with unlimited time and back and forth — between the folks on the second panel. But, alas, we aren’t going to get it today, are we?
part of the problem, i think, is that if presidents were impeached for lying the country into war… well who would have been the last president not to be impeached? maybe carter?
vincent bugliosi. prosecutor of the sharon tate murders and author of Helter Skelter.
Vincent Bugliosi quoting bush so gets to say his name, asks conyers if he can draw an inference – taking country to war on a lie is against the law
damn i forgot tha last part, conyers finally had to throw someone out for applause [ the Repubs getting on his ass.
was that Cindy Sheehan who just got tossed out?
At least we’re getting a less formal 2nd round. Presser and Rabkin had nothing to say. Says a lot.
As to Barbara Jordan, we were much younger then and still the impression remains. Other than the war, I don’t remember being tuned into much of anything political at that time which says a lot that I really paid attention. You must have been a young girl at the time.
Fein’s comments in Jane’s interview of him about Cass Sunstein’s remarks against impeachment and prosecution were featured in Glenzilla’s posting this morning in which he devoted quite a bit of attention to Obama’s legal advisor and Univ. of Chicago colleague, Csss Sunstein, the most highly cited legal scholar in the country and a leading candidate for a SCOTUS appointment. That guy is very dangerous, much more so than say John Yoo. I recommend viewing Glenn’s debate with him at Democracy Now.
Now the shill Smith wanting to get the other shills, Presser and Rabkin to make their own points over and over and over again. Not that their points have any merit.
o/t
apparently the good times really are over for good –
Mayor McCheese blows off WSJ reporter
watch Huckleberry’s face when he does it :D
Lamar Smith (Dick – Texas) gets to ask questions. Going first to Presser – surprise!
Totally OT, but it has been referred to Conyers et al.
Rove Threatened GOP IT Guru If He Does Not ‘Take the Fall’ for Election
Fraud in Ohio, Says AttorneyLetter Sent to Attorney General Mukasey Requesting ‘Protection for Mr. Connell and His Family From This Reported Attempt to Intimidate a Witness’ After Tip from ‘Credible Source’http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6214
Also here: http://thejournal.epluribusmed…..on-lawyers
Christy – if Rove used the Internet to threaten this guy(using email), is this any different than if he’d used the phone system or a hand written note or just told someone who told the guy?
Prof. Ratkin hasn’t heard of PNAC.
They normally just do short statements with members of Congress if that’s what they want. That would have been negotiated with the first panel before testimony happened today. Don’t have any inside scuttlebutt on what that particular panel wanted, but I do know that often elected folks prefer short, sweet, and no questions when they can do that — prevents stuff from being asked or used in campaign commercials, for one thing.
re Sustein:
completely agree. and from glenn this morning:
imo the importance of this can not be overstated.
Rabkin acts as if war has no consequences
ok, that was me being over the top. should have said “hard to overstate”
Presser- No evidence of any misconduct by this administration.
Rabkin – I don’t understand what all of these other people are talking about! They’re demented! And bitter!
(sigh) Somebody please tell me at least that there is a limited supply of “experts” such as these…
Thanks
Rabkin saying if Bush took the country to war just to enrich the oil companies, then of course one would have to impeach.
Reminding people are not calm because of a third close election and of course tempers flair!!
Presser and Rabkin are revealing truths in spite of themselves!
Could that be the Cass Sunstein who recently married Samantha Powers? A marriage made in hell, IMO.
Why is the Downing Street memo off limits
Rabkin – “hey, Presidents make mistakes. People then die. Whaddya gonna do?”
Nadler seems to think Presser and Rbkin don’t know what they are talking about. Nadler for some funny reason doesn’t like the unitary executive.
yep.
Waht surprised me about the DemNOw interview is when Sunstein said “Crimes are against the law, and if there’s been egregious wrongdoing in violation of the law, then it’s not right to put a blind eye to that.” and neither Glenn nor Amy confronted him about the fact of Bush’s warrantless spying, that such is a felony, that Bush admitted to it. If a felony isn’t ‘egregious’ then what is?
Sunstein is a dangerous idiot with no understanding of the law or Constitution.
makes sense. Thanks.
Guess he disagrees with Alan Greenspan and has forgotten about ‘rolling out a marketing campaign’.
that’s not how amy goodman does her interviews.
Why is the Downing Street memo off limits
Came from a British guy. Great Britain just put the U.S. on a no-extradition list on account of – well, we torture people.
From this point forward, we can trust nothing of British origin.
Which reminds me – there are, I think, a couple of vacancies on the “Axis of Terror”. I hereby nominate Canada and great Britain.
Hi Selise. I recommend reading Sunstein’s Wikipedia entry and his HuffPo article about Obama consulting him regarding warrantless surveillance. Visibly he had much influence in Obama’s about-face away from the rule of law on the matter.
Sunstein is a dangerous idiot with no understanding of the law or Constitution.
No disrespect – but since when does that have anything to do with the nomination or confirming process?
See Thomas, Clarence, and Alito, Samuel.
And such weakens her reporting.
see my 15 above -
andhey, since it involves the internets, shouldn’t AG call the Post Office ?
more on the sunstein / greenwald debate on democracy now. there was some discussion of this in glenn’s comments. here’s what glenn wrote:
Elizabeth Holtzman for Speaker!
Let’t get her back into Congress.
Despite her weaknesses she definitely contributes to the dialogue
ummm, “Axis of Evil”.
Jerrold Nadler questioning witnesses – re pardons and how nixon’s impeachment came about
Good points, although one of the reasons given for supporting Obama is that he would not appoint Supreme Court justices as bad as McCain. Sunstein would be as bad.
yeah anyway
on the contrary – maybe if you only listen to her once. but i encourage you to listen to her over time. when she has two opposing guests, she lets them make their own case. and i think this is a good thing.
for what she can do, on the fly and with no prepartion, when she interviews someone one-on-one, check out her interview of president bill clinton. if you can, i recommend listening to it. best interview of bill clinton ever.
Steve King is a significant dork
Barr looks better by the day.
Sorry, I missed that..and your comment about the post office is why I asked Christy if there were any differences between HOW Roverboy sent his message: email, physical mail, phone call, post-it note(tm) or just whispered in someone’s ear.
Steve King “a Democrat President”
“she was extremely even-handed”; yes, and my objection was that neither her NOR Glenn hoisted Sunstein on his own petard; ‘even handed’ can obfuscate issues. Think of the saying ‘we present both sides, you decide’.
OMG! Obama’s Not Up 30 Points!!11!1!!
so bemoans BT upstairs
More Republican distraction on Niger. Lookee here at all this made up evidence that I would like to introduce into the record.
King loves yellowcake probably with chocolate frosting. He should get someone to whack him soon. He certainly is not asking any questions is he?
I remember Barbara Jordan’s speech, too. But where is the veneration for the Constitution that she articulated? It is hard to find even among Democrats these days. I am sickened by the timidity of the Democrats, except maybe for Sen. Dodd & Feingold.
Nadler was up with some great comments and questions.
Bob in HI
hi wigwam – i did read the huffpo piece, but i don’t know what to think. how could obama be convinced by sunstein if he didn’t hold similar views? the constitution is supposed to be something that obama is an expert on – surely he has his own views on the matter?
Sunstein would be as bad.
Agreed. Hopefully the Democrats would give him the Harriet Miers treatment.
King putting stuff into the record re yellowcake – secret transfer of yellowcake from iraq to canada 550 metric tons
Sunstein is not going to be a nominee. The person blabbing about Sunstein being a great nominee is likely Sunstein. He’s not apt to get full support on the Hill, and isn’t really likely because his personality makes as many enemies as it does admirers.
And, for the record, as asstastic as some of his Beltway Broderisms are, he’s still not worse than an Alito or a Roberts clone. Especially not on labor issues.
i thought it was completely clear. sunstein was shown to be a dangerous idiot – by his own words.
A lot of things went by way too fast in that interview/debate. Do you know if there is a transcript of it?
Jonathan Turley posted a follow up that hit the exact point you mention and then said the same thing on Countdown. There’s a link to the video at the end of this post by Glenn Greenwald: http://www.salon.com/opinion/g…..index.html
BTW, in support of his FISA views, Sunstein mentioned Mort Halperin, who supported H.R. 6304 and has 35 years of experience fighting against warrantless surveillance by presidents — he was a Friend of Ellsberg and #8 on Nixon’s enemies list. On the day that H.R. 6304 passed Halperin had a NYT op-ed explaining why he thought it was so necessary.
Something very peculiar is going on here. And I very much don’t like it.
Oh oh, I think Mccain is getting ready to blow.
Halperin was advising both the Obama camp and the Dem leadership on FISA. I’ve heard that rumor from more than one source, just haven’t been able to substantiate it on the record. And yes, my displeasure about that has been made loudly.
you know for a fact that obama is no going to choose someone like sunstein? or do you just think it’s unlikely? would love to be convinced if you have some reason to be so sure. thanks!
Wigwam, here’s the transcript:
http://www.democracynow.org/20…..ates_glenn
Thanks Selise. Good stuff.
he is scheduled to take a position (that doesn’t entail grabbing his ankles)at Harvard Law this fall
link
Conyers expressed doubt re some docs King putting on record but did so anyway. King yeldrf back his time iwh a sneer – re the “Genteel nature” of the chairman.
democracy now! posts transcripts of their shows everyday. here’s the archive link for july 22:
http://www.democracynow.org/shows/2008/7/22
It’s impossible to know any future act by anyone within the Beltway as a fact. But I do know that a number of highly placed people who would likely be involved in any decision-making and/or oversight on this are decidedly NOT in favor of a Sunstein appointment. Whether that would win the day? Dunno. But I do know it would be impossible to move such a nomination through the Senate Judiciary without some very serious reservations about him being fully addressed, and I’m not certain that is possible.
I liked his take-down of those two. Minced no words.
Bob in HI
Fo folks who missed earlier testimony and opening statements in the hearing, the Speaker’s blog just put up clips from several of the speakers.
Bruce Fine – the last time he was questioned about how the nixon impeachment went, said when someone refused a subhoena that someone was impeached and was out.
lying about reasongs going to war – textbook example of reason for impeachment
Holtzman with great point—anyone having anything to do with torture where torture resulted in death—which could bring the death penalty has no statute of limitations. Could apply to anyone in the administration no matter how high.
But she comes back to impeachment as the only real remedy to stop the lawbreaking.
In case others haven’t seen DemocracyNow ’s interview with the Green Party candidates for the Presidency(so you can compare what the mass media and a lot of ‘liberal blogs’ won’t provide you access to):
http://www.democracynow.org/20…..esidential
i wasn’t just asking about sunstein, but others with similar views. i do think they are are seriously dangerous.
Holtzman et al discussing various laws whch could be prosecuted or means of impeachment
Oh Goody, my Congressman is up. Representing the citizens of Sun City and Lake Havasau City for the most part, Trent Franks. Anybody else want him? We would happy to loan him out to another district.
um, no. – as long as it’s a Democrat, we hippies ‘hate ‘ ‘em, and they are able to read without moving their lips, he/she will be confirmed – and you can bet there’ll be a patina of moderate-bipartisan-centrist goodness all over that sh*t
yeah I’m a little cynical, why do you ask ?
Trent Franks seems to be quite the scardey cat. Perhaps he should find a cave to hide in so the terraists don’t get him.
Bugliosi makes clear Bush protected from prosecution while in office. but once out, can be prosecuted for murder. But investigati.on can start now.
Trent Franks dismayed at tone of this hearing
You can’t impeach Bush because if you do the terrorists win.
Again, a great opportunity for ‘hoisting on the petard’ Franks’ statement about doing things ‘within the bounds of the Constitution’; wonder if anyone will take the opportunity.
Rabkin is rabid
has he thrown out the obligatory “deeply troubling” yet ? *g*
“You can’t impeach Bush because if you do the terrorists win.”
Only if this numbskull believes that the goal of terrorists is to get us to exercise the Constitution.
if he hasn’t that is deeply troubling
I suspected as much but could not find any confirmation of it via my feeble googling skills. BTW: here is an excellent summary of Halperin’s credentials as an outspoken
opponent of warrantless surveillance who supported H.R. 6304. A bit of googling yielded this NYT op-ed by Halperin. It gives some insight into where Sunstein and Obama were coming from. According to Halperin:
This op-ed is dated July 8, i.e., the day of the Senate’s vote on H.R. 6304 and five days after Obama dissed his supporters who disagree with him on FISA matters.
You mentioned the “I” word, so it’s all your fault if terrists attack the US after they get done watching CSPAN.
OT could i ask a favor of everyone?
http://www.40th.vcu.edu/festival/bands.php
could you vote often for my brother’s band? thank you.
now, back to our thread.
And such crimes fall under the doctrine of “universal jurisdiction,” e.g., Israel didn’t even exist at the time of the crimes for which they executed Eichmann.
Watts ‘hopes’ for the standard to be raised? Someone ought to quote Camus to him.
band name – Mark Campbell Family Band !!!
“band name – Mark Campbell Family Band !!!”
Had to vote for him, Kathryn — no one is doing traditional Scandinavian music there..
Prediction: NO impeachment hearing will be held; no accountability of Bush,Cheney,et al will ever occur(Obama will press the case to move forward and NEVER relinquish powers of the Office upon assuming it) and the Constitution will be shown to be nothing but a piece of paper.
He does old timey. scots-irish appalachian. thanks for yor votes!!!
Gohmert up now.
I seem to recall that during the Clinton administration, the Republicans went apeshit every time Clinton shaded the truth. Now Gohmert seems to be saying, truth, shmuth. So what if Bush distorted the truth? Clinton did it! So let’s just forgive them both!
Did he really say that?
Bob in HI
To quote the Decider, the Constitution is nothing more than “a godamned piece of paper.” Republicans care nothing of the Constitution only POWER.
Except it was all window dressing and they knew it. What bothers me is that they accepted the underlying excessive grants of power for domestic spying. In doing so, Sunstein and Obama are affirming the tenets of Bush’s unilateral Executive.
“muslims against christians”-Gohmert
There it is, in three words.
The terrorist have already won. Americans are willing to surrender their civil liberties as long as they are allowed to go shopping. Americans are willing to accept a unitary executive. Americans are willing to accept torture as a policy of state. No my friend, the terrorist have already won. The U.S. of A. is but a memory. The reality is far different from what it was September 10, 2001.
any utubes?
Zoe talking about a Truth anf Reconciliation
Elliot – will search for youtubes
I voted for him but would love to hear his/their music. Thanks for letting us know about him :)
Exactly. And per this mornings post by Glenn, Sunstein has long held that view and been an advocate of it. So far as I’ve been able to tell, this stance was quite out of character for Obama. It may be the Sunstein persuaded him. It may be that he has always held this view but not expressed it. It may be that he expressed it and I (and a lot of others) missed it. Or it may be that he made a Faustian bargain of some sort.
For now, I’d like to know much more about Sunstein’s and/or Halperin’s possible involvement in the negotiation of that so-called “compromise,” which Christy alluded to.
Conyers is WEAK!
he did
let’s just condone lying in government and move on with our lives.
i.e.
NO to accountability, any time, anywhere, on anyone EVAH.
crowd beginning to rebel at the hearing – cops just took a uniformed soldier away – several people tossed – also tossed was a wad of paper toward the Repig side of the panel…
Jeremy Rabkin certainly has a distorted view of history. “A President never does anything alone”.
He sure has a lot of misplaced trust.
i don’t agree with that.
Why doesn’t Conyers gavel down these Republican apologists? Conyers is weak and out of his depth.
Conyers is no Sam Ervin! He lacks the clarity of mind and allows Republicans to run roughshod over the hearings.
Bugliosi is on fire.
will get youtubes up by next week – THanks!!
The Republicans are scared to death of an incoming Democratic president.
it would be highly unfair and unconstitutional to gavel down the other side for being stupid or whatever else they are offering.
and besides, i like it that those ignorant and asslicking comments are on the record. that in itself makes a huge point in these proceedings.
Wow. Congressman Hank Johnson used a sort of Colombo approach to make Rabkin look like the ideological dunce he is.
The question taht remains unanswered is what, if anything (and that is a big IF!) will the democrats do to prevent a prezidential pardon of the whole sleazy bunch, in the closing weeks of the misadministration? Nothing?????