Is there any current policy that McCain says is not working?

morning, Teddy. How can the policy be working as McC says when people are getting thrown out of the military? ??

McCain’s reply: “The policy is to throw the GLBs out, and they’re getting thrown out. What’s the problem?”

Dagnabbit, BW, you took the words right out of my mouth.

“News poll shows that 75% of Americans believe that gays and lesbians should be allowed to serve in the US military.”

Would that constitute a “surge” of support?

I guess I always thought the policy meant exactly what it said – We don’t ask, and you don’t tell. Silly Me. I suppose nothing is ever that easy any more.

Would that constitute a “surge” of support?

No, it’s obviously a fringe.

Morning Teddy, thanks for the links to yesterday’s hearings.

Is there any current policy that McCain says is not working?

It just goes to show what a maverick he is, that he can agree with everything Bush is doing and still be a maverick. I mean that mavericity to the max.

sorry to go OT so soon, but what time (eastern time) is BO’s speech?

1 p.m. never mind

I wonder how long until the Republics surge to find a different candidate for 2008?

Any idea of when we’re going to be back at full function? Anyone?

If Elaine Donnelly has anything to do with it, DADT will be turned back any day now:

“At the witness table with Donnelly, retired Navy Capt. Joan Darrah, a lesbian, rolled her eyes in disbelief. Retired Marine Staff Sgt. Eric Alva, a gay man who was wounded in Iraq, looked as if he would explode.

[…]

Rep. Vic Snyder (D-Ark.) labeled her statement “just bonkers” and “dumb,” and he called her claims about an HIV menace “inappropriate.” Said Snyder: “By this analysis . . . we ought to recruit only lesbians for the military, because they have the lowest incidence of HIV in the country.”

http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2…..-nonsense/

Are they unhappy with this one? The way MSM treats him, you wouldn’t think so.

Yes, but gaffe after gaffe after gaffe has to take a toll. Now there’s the photos of McCain riding with Poppy Bush driving the golf cart. McCain looks older than Poppy. It can’t be making Republics happy.

John McCain’s Neverending War

Yeah, it was on the Daily Show last night. Stewart said “don’t go on with a guy who actually makes you look older!”

BTW, thanks for the H/t Teddy – I am going on vacation tomorrow and getting wife and kids ready and was therefore off-line until right now.

When I have a moment, I’m going to check *where* these Go[o]p[b]ers are from.

Surgey with a fringe on top.

and DADT has worked so well in Intelligence, yeah I feel sooooo much safer :D

Hi Teddy and firedogs

these hearing were held on the 60th anniversary the integration of Armed Forces. Executive Order No. 9981 was signed by Pres. Harry Truman on July 26, 1948.
link to newspaper image from the time

Can’t wait till we see such a headline for the end of discrimination against LGBT in the Armed Forces now.

and it won’t happen under a President McCain.

mornin’ teddy! thought i had to go to belpre, but i had the day wrong…..good, i wasn’t ready….lol

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Congress Wednesday held the first hearing on the military’s ”don’t ask, don’t tell” policy since it was instituted 15 years ago. Some Democrats envision a major push to repeal the underlying law next year. A look at the policy’s role in today’s armed forces and shifting public and political views on gays on the military.

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Capt. Joan Darrah, US Navy (Ret.), former Naval intelligence officer

Aaron Belkin, associate professor of political science at the University of California at Santa Barbara; founder and director of the University’s Michael D. Palm Center

Rep. Susan Davis, Democratic congresswoman representing California’s 53rd district; chair of the House Armed Services Committee on Personnel

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I realize this is not really on topic, but indulge me here….

Actually, no one has come forward yet to say that they have actually signed this thing, but the person circulating the letter is one Kevin O. McCarthy, a freshman from the 22nd District in California, a District which went 68-31 for Bush in 2004.

It appears that McCarthy, along with, among others, Eric Cantor are the rising “stars” in the GOP.

Teh Google found this from Wonkette. It’s a little gauche, but fun.

Fascist policy does work for fascists…that’s why democracy must stomp on Republican fascisms head, chop it off. Freedom isn’t free.

testing…
( I’m probably not the only one having problems here…)

Maybe the rapture happened, and I was busy making breakfast. argggghhhh.

not the only one.

toobz a bit wonky this morning. It’s a nuisance.

Can’t believe that we have to have this debate- but since we do- a list of fallen gay servicemen and women should settle it for good.

OT The State dept.has prohibited State Dept. employees from attending BO’s speech (after work hours) in Germany

Hi Twain and Selise…ah that feels better. It’s almost as bad as not being able to get in…being the only one here. Now, I know I not alone…
Have to run out for a bit, so I’ll miss the first part of the 9:00, but I’ll see you midway through.
Hope they get the squirrels in line before then.

thanks for the heads up on Ehrlich’s new book, dmac

I didn’t mean for me, I meant for the guest. Like when your bathroom plumbing goes kaphlooey right when you’re having guests.

I guess you’re not free as an American any where. This is truly awful – if I were them I would go anyway.

figures

that’s crazy …

i did enjoy milbank’s snark re the hearing yesterday…

elliot at 33–yeah, i kinda slid that little snippet in there on purpose…didn’t want to post the whole thing or drag off topic….so, just ’pasted a little long’….heh.

cspan–hmmmmmm shumer on one channel and HOT energy policy debate on the other–the other won….

inslee and sessions going back and forth, sessions spouting numbers to convince americans their thirst for oil can be quenched immediately if not for decisions 12 years ago and last year, kinda left out the 11 years inbetween…..

then rep john hall got up and slammed him for his offensive use of ’democrat party’, eloquently, hope it ends up on you tube.

rep defazio–’the grand oil party’!!!

rippin’ some butt.

And the State Department employees are protesting through their union. Of course, the order came down so close to the speech that there’s no way to hear their complaint in time . . .

Taken together with what happened in Canada w/ Mcbushes trip it is time to get some answers from Condi

Actually gayness proves that Freedom IS Free. One of the (many) advantages of being gay is that I’ve never had to pay for sex in all my 61 years.

That’s why they hate us.

In fact, while I’ve never been in the military because I’m gay (gayness saved me from the draft and thus I avoided killing and dying in Vietnam) I’ve enjoyed sexcapades with members of every branch of the service.

Especially the Navy.

Don’t get me started on sailors. They’re awesome!

Gov. Siegelman upstairs.

Marcy interviews the Governor

Wow. What a great job SSgt Alva did with his testimony.
Is this testimony from yesterday?

OT Does anyone know when Siegelman is answering questions today? I thought it was at 12 Eastern.

Thanks Twain and others. I love this place!

Surgey With the Fringe On the Top.
(With apologies to Oscar Hammerstein II)

Bush: (recitative)
When I surge ‘em to Iraq you’ll see,
Nuri, here’s the way it’s gonna be
They’ll be dressed up in ACU’s with an LBE
In the slickest armor you will ever see!

(tune)
Kids and goats and sheep better scurry,
When I send troops out in the surgey,
When I send them out in my surgey with the fringe on top!
Watch that house and see how it shudders,
When they drop CBU’s ’steada butter,
Nosey terrists’ll peek through their shutters,
And their eyes will pop!

The tracks are steel and the color is brown,
The armor’s genuine Chobham’s,
With a big ma-deuce you can shoot ‘em down,
In case they’s a threat to my Abrams.
One IR searchlight’s probin’ and strobin’,
Ain’t finer tank, I’m-a thinking
You can keep your Leopard if you’re a-thinkin’ that I’d care to stop,
My pretty little surgey with the fringe on the top!

(recitative)
Harriet Meyers:
Didya say the armor was made a Chobham?

Bush:
Wouldn’t have no other kind but Chobham!

McCain:
Has it really got cluster bombs?

Bush:
Some are clusters.
The others are more like napalm.

(tune)
Al-Qaeda will flee in hurry,
When I send troops out in my surgey,
When I send them out in my surgey with the fringe on top!
They’ll hit the routes, hell for leather,
Livestock are gonna dive in the heather,
Birds and toads will hide out together and the Frogs will hop!
The bullets whistle as they ricochet past,
The IEDs will boom on the roadside,
The GOP will whisper their song,
And whisper it over and over:
Don’t you wish’t you’d go on forever?
Don’t you wish’t you’d go on forever?
Don’t you wish’t you’d go on forever and it will never stop,
My shiny little surgey with the fringe on the top!

I can see Obama is blurry
With my troops out there in my surgey,
Stayin’ the course in my surgey with the fringe on the top!
Can you feel November’s approachin’
Feel the angry people a gropin,
Gropin’, and hopin’ and wishin’ we would just stop!
The election’s swimmin’ on the top of the hill,
The SOFA is takin’ a header,
And just as I’m thinkin’ Iraq is all still,
A bomb blows up in the market!
Hush, you bomb, my successor is sleepin’
I think he’s a got a dream worth a keepin’
Whoa there Congress don’t you go thinkin’ that I’ll ever stop
My pretty little surgey with the fringe on the top!

Hey I also had a very cool ex-navy guy buy me drinks at a gay bar where he was working. From what I understand, the navy doesn’t allow “queen” behavior, at that persons peril. So what we have is a lot of military guys who can “be all you can be” depending on who they’re talking to.
I find that truly oppressive. I went to a boarding school where a good portion of the kids were secretely gay, confused and not sure in an adolescent way and very unhappy. Homophobia was off the scales there. Myself I lived in the “dyke dorm.”

BTW @50, I still don’t know how we got designated the “dyke dorm”, but me and several of the alumni, gay or not gay, refer to that and wear it as a badge of honor. “straight” girls could be treated much worse at that school.

We had two mixed dorms, an all-women dorm and an all-male at my school, freshmen were required to live in single-sex dorms. Anyone who stayed in the single-sex dorms beyond their freshman year was tagged immediately as a queer (guys) or a dyke.

It didn’t make any sense to me at the time, and it still doesn’t. I found that the presence of women in the mixed dorm generally made the men a lot more civilized. Living in the all-male dorm was something close to living in the Animal House. The all-women dorm was pretty much the quietest place on campus, and I can understand why someone who was concentrating on school might well choose to stay there.

BC

Is there any current policy that McCain says is not working?

his campaign?

Actually the reason a lot of kids at my university lived in single-sex parts of dormitories was for religious reasons, particulary the orthodox jews.

Via Talkleft
LA Police Chief Bill Bratton Endorses Gay Marriage

Yeah there’s a lot of macho bullshit out there, but it’s all on the surface. In the sack it’s a whole ‘nother story.

Marines are notorious “bottoms,” BTW.