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	<title>Comments on: Did The DNC Fund Anti-Gay Propaganda?</title>
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		<title>By: revday</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/22/did-the-dnc-fund-anti-gay-propaganda/#comment-1552302</link>
		<dc:creator>revday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Don’t forget: all of the “Veda’s”, The different Yogas, the “Gnostic Gospels”, the oral traditions of Shaman, the religious significance of two spirited people in Native American traditions(this is for us queers), “The Golden Dawn,” by Alister Crowley, “The Spiral Dance; A Rebirth of the Ancient Religion of Goddess Worship,” StarHawk, the oral tradition of Santeria, the cosmology of Zoroastrians, history of Meso-American religion,… I am sure I have missed some. Oh damn, lets just teach real history in schools and all of these would be studied as the incredibly multifaceted ways humans have found meaning and purpose in Life, for good and for evil. And then we might understand how we humans organize ourselves religiously, culturally, and politically. Then we could all get real, join hands and sing Kum Ba Ya, and have world peace.     I can dream, can’t I?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don’t forget: all of the “Veda’s”, The different Yogas, the “Gnostic Gospels”, the oral traditions of Shaman, the religious significance of two spirited people in Native American traditions(this is for us queers), “The Golden Dawn,” by Alister Crowley, “The Spiral Dance; A Rebirth of the Ancient Religion of Goddess Worship,” StarHawk, the oral tradition of Santeria, the cosmology of Zoroastrians, history of Meso-American religion,… I am sure I have missed some. Oh damn, lets just teach real history in schools and all of these would be studied as the incredibly multifaceted ways humans have found meaning and purpose in Life, for good and for evil. And then we might understand how we humans organize ourselves religiously, culturally, and politically. Then we could all get real, join hands and sing Kum Ba Ya, and have world peace.     I can dream, can’t I?</p>
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		<title>By: Ehrenstein47</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/22/did-the-dnc-fund-anti-gay-propaganda/#comment-1552248</link>
		<dc:creator>Ehrenstein47</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is why I’m not a member of any political party. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A Democratic party that would give such a disgusting creep the time of day gets naught but the back of my gay hand.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why I’m not a member of any political party. </p>
<p>A Democratic party that would give such a disgusting creep the time of day gets naught but the back of my gay hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Texan</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/22/did-the-dnc-fund-anti-gay-propaganda/#comment-1552136</link>
		<dc:creator>Blue Texan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It’s just not clear to me why criticizing the DNC for funding a bigoted voter’s guide is tantamount to a “vendetta” against Howard Dean, as part of some super top secret sinister effort to undermine him. I happen to like Dean, and I happen to believe in the 50 state strategy. I do not believe, however, that the 50 state strategy has to, by definition, pander to anti-gay bigots or theocrats.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Moreover, you still have not disputed any fact in the New York Times article, or anything in this post, other than rant about how I’m trying to undermine the party like Harold Ford or Fox News.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I find your criticism unconvincing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s just not clear to me why criticizing the DNC for funding a bigoted voter’s guide is tantamount to a “vendetta” against Howard Dean, as part of some super top secret sinister effort to undermine him. I happen to like Dean, and I happen to believe in the 50 state strategy. I do not believe, however, that the 50 state strategy has to, by definition, pander to anti-gay bigots or theocrats.</p>
<p>Moreover, you still have not disputed any fact in the New York Times article, or anything in this post, other than rant about how I’m trying to undermine the party like Harold Ford or Fox News.</p>
<p>I find your criticism unconvincing.</p>
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		<title>By: hazmaq</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/22/did-the-dnc-fund-anti-gay-propaganda/#comment-1552011</link>
		<dc:creator>hazmaq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh by the way Blue, I live in Sedona, Arizona. thousands of people every month flock here with every disease in the book to be healed.  And you’re fully better aware of how many of the sick and dying flock to the super domed churches.   The tele-evangelist industry has millions who believe Doctors are money grubbing bastards, tricksters quacks etc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Learn to live with egghead..that’s a childish harmless reference spoken from a woman who had the right to call them whatever the hell she wanted.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh by the way Blue, I live in Sedona, Arizona. thousands of people every month flock here with every disease in the book to be healed.  And you’re fully better aware of how many of the sick and dying flock to the super domed churches.   The tele-evangelist industry has millions who believe Doctors are money grubbing bastards, tricksters quacks etc.</p>
<p>Learn to live with egghead..that’s a childish harmless reference spoken from a woman who had the right to call them whatever the hell she wanted.<br />
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		<title>By: hazmaq</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/22/did-the-dnc-fund-anti-gay-propaganda/#comment-1552003</link>
		<dc:creator>hazmaq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I call your bullshit, and raise your a shitload more.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1) You cite EDGE who cites…Michelle Malkin ..and her sources??&lt;br /&gt;
Holy shit!!  And I thought it was the DLC or FOX that warped your thinking.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2) And you rant today, for something that happened back in 2006  - in fucking Alabama fer God’s sakes??  Other accounts report that Hitchcock expected and attacked Dean for not throwing the whole weight of the DNC behind Alabama’s anti-gay marriage ammendment.  Because you don’t like a few strategic moves made by Dean - oh boo hoo.. that was 2 YEARS AGO!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;3)_And you bring it forward to 2008??  After we won the 2006 election by the way with Deans help because Dean appealed to the faith based community -on their terms - where neither you nor any other Democrat ever attempted to tread before??&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;4)  Again, tellingly, you refuse to answer the question about Dean.  Why now, Blue. if you’re not just out on a vendetta agains him, personally in addition to trying to undermine the DNC right before an election??&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I call your bullshit, and raise your a shitload more.</p>
<p>1) You cite EDGE who cites…Michelle Malkin ..and her sources??<br />
Holy shit!!  And I thought it was the DLC or FOX that warped your thinking.</p>
<p>2) And you rant today, for something that happened back in 2006  &#8211; in fucking Alabama fer God’s sakes??  Other accounts report that Hitchcock expected and attacked Dean for not throwing the whole weight of the DNC behind Alabama’s anti-gay marriage ammendment.  Because you don’t like a few strategic moves made by Dean &#8211; oh boo hoo.. that was 2 YEARS AGO!</p>
<p>3)_And you bring it forward to 2008??  After we won the 2006 election by the way with Deans help because Dean appealed to the faith based community -on their terms &#8211; where neither you nor any other Democrat ever attempted to tread before??</p>
<p>4)  Again, tellingly, you refuse to answer the question about Dean.  Why now, Blue. if you’re not just out on a vendetta agains him, personally in addition to trying to undermine the DNC right before an election??</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Texan</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/22/did-the-dnc-fund-anti-gay-propaganda/#comment-1551954</link>
		<dc:creator>Blue Texan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Happy to. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The central fact, which you haven’t challenged at all, tellingly — is the DNC funded a fairly nasty, bigoted voter’s guide, designed to pander to the basest, ugliest instincts of Alabama social conservatives. And the person ultimately responsible, Daughtry, glibly chalked it up to people having different “opinions.” She did not, you’ll note, deny that FIA funded the guide. And her apologia of it, and her washing her hands of responsibility for it, was offensive.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I mean, what’s out of bounds? If the voter’s guide called for segregated schools, would we just chalk that up as a difference of “opinion”?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Finally, if you don’t find calling oncologists “eggheads” and blowing off anti-gay, Christianist talking points as a simple matter of opinion “derisive” — I’m afraid we’ll just have to agree to disagree.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the meantime, when the DNC pulls bullshit like this, I’m going to call them on it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy to. </p>
<p>The central fact, which you haven’t challenged at all, tellingly — is the DNC funded a fairly nasty, bigoted voter’s guide, designed to pander to the basest, ugliest instincts of Alabama social conservatives. And the person ultimately responsible, Daughtry, glibly chalked it up to people having different “opinions.” She did not, you’ll note, deny that FIA funded the guide. And her apologia of it, and her washing her hands of responsibility for it, was offensive.</p>
<p>I mean, what’s out of bounds? If the voter’s guide called for segregated schools, would we just chalk that up as a difference of “opinion”?</p>
<p>Finally, if you don’t find calling oncologists “eggheads” and blowing off anti-gay, Christianist talking points as a simple matter of opinion “derisive” — I’m afraid we’ll just have to agree to disagree.</p>
<p>In the meantime, when the DNC pulls bullshit like this, I’m going to call them on it.</p>
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		<title>By: hazmaq</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/22/did-the-dnc-fund-anti-gay-propaganda/#comment-1551924</link>
		<dc:creator>hazmaq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;First, she’s the Chief of Staff &lt;strong&gt;and&lt;/strong&gt;a Pentecostal minister - not a minister &lt;strong&gt;to&lt;/strong&gt; the party no more than Dean is her Governor or her Doctor.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Second the digby piece misquotes her, and you run stories off of digby inferences, Jane’s inferences off digby’s inferences  - and now you with this this inflammatory headline. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The NY Times quotes Daughtry as saying: “The eggheads will say her chemotherapy worked, but everyone who uses chemotherapy isn’t cured.” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;dDgby alters the text to read:  “..a high level member of the Democratic Party derisively refers to those who would credit chemotherapy with a cancer remission as “eggheads:”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Third:  (a) Nothing Daughtry said is derisive or false. the majority of Christians believe their faith heals them.  (b) And I daresay all of them would believe it’s God’s doing.  (c) And just because she did have cancer and is cured -there’s no proof it’s the chemotherapy’s doing. (d Eggheads is hardly a ‘derisive’ term  -we know many deep believers call the scientists a host of other names that are derisive.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And finally, there are a hell of a lot of other Democrats, Republicans and Independents with views just as extreme all the way down to me - who thinks they’re all pretty whacky, quite frankly.&lt;br /&gt;
But guess what?  The Dems fight for every one of their beliefs  - and loses elections specifically due to some of our other beliefs. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To attack the DNC because you don’t like 1/1,000,0000 of it, is your right, but to turn it into an anti-gay rant is totally out of line and certainly not worthy of such a great Progressive website as FDL is.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My suspicions are that because several pieces have gone on about this  - there are other motives behind this.  Tying to drive out Howard Dean may be one of them. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes??  I’ve answered you truthfully - now do me the courtesy of answering me.  ??&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, she’s the Chief of Staff <strong>and</strong>a Pentecostal minister &#8211; not a minister <strong>to</strong> the party no more than Dean is her Governor or her Doctor.</p>
<p>Second the digby piece misquotes her, and you run stories off of digby inferences, Jane’s inferences off digby’s inferences  &#8211; and now you with this this inflammatory headline. </p>
<p>The NY Times quotes Daughtry as saying: “The eggheads will say her chemotherapy worked, but everyone who uses chemotherapy isn’t cured.” </p>
<p>dDgby alters the text to read:  “..a high level member of the Democratic Party derisively refers to those who would credit chemotherapy with a cancer remission as “eggheads:”</p>
<p>Third:  (a) Nothing Daughtry said is derisive or false. the majority of Christians believe their faith heals them.  (b) And I daresay all of them would believe it’s God’s doing.  (c) And just because she did have cancer and is cured -there’s no proof it’s the chemotherapy’s doing. (d Eggheads is hardly a ‘derisive’ term  -we know many deep believers call the scientists a host of other names that are derisive.</p>
<p>And finally, there are a hell of a lot of other Democrats, Republicans and Independents with views just as extreme all the way down to me &#8211; who thinks they’re all pretty whacky, quite frankly.<br />
But guess what?  The Dems fight for every one of their beliefs  &#8211; and loses elections specifically due to some of our other beliefs. </p>
<p>To attack the DNC because you don’t like 1/1,000,0000 of it, is your right, but to turn it into an anti-gay rant is totally out of line and certainly not worthy of such a great Progressive website as FDL is.</p>
<p>My suspicions are that because several pieces have gone on about this  &#8211; there are other motives behind this.  Tying to drive out Howard Dean may be one of them. </p>
<p>Yes??  I’ve answered you truthfully &#8211; now do me the courtesy of answering me.  ??</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Texan</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/22/did-the-dnc-fund-anti-gay-propaganda/#comment-1551832</link>
		<dc:creator>Blue Texan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Which part of the New York Times article or the Edge piece has been misrepresented here?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which part of the New York Times article or the Edge piece has been misrepresented here?</p>
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		<title>By: neurophius</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/22/did-the-dnc-fund-anti-gay-propaganda/#comment-1551828</link>
		<dc:creator>neurophius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have, by e-mail a few minutes ago…I would encourage others to do so&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have, by e-mail a few minutes ago…I would encourage others to do so</p>
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		<title>By: hazmaq</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/22/did-the-dnc-fund-anti-gay-propaganda/#comment-1551827</link>
		<dc:creator>hazmaq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I followed this link back to it’s originations.&lt;br /&gt;
Now, if you don’t like Howard Dean and/or his 50 state strategy - just spit it out.&lt;br /&gt;
But to discredit the entire DNC because of the allegations and assumptions that built up into this frenzied title is pure bullshit and is not worthy of FDL.&lt;br /&gt;
This is such a crock of generalizing based on the personal opinions of a few.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You’re watching Fox too much or worse -listening to Harold Ford Jr..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I followed this link back to it’s originations.<br />
Now, if you don’t like Howard Dean and/or his 50 state strategy &#8211; just spit it out.<br />
But to discredit the entire DNC because of the allegations and assumptions that built up into this frenzied title is pure bullshit and is not worthy of FDL.<br />
This is such a crock of generalizing based on the personal opinions of a few.</p>
<p>You’re watching Fox too much or worse -listening to Harold Ford Jr..</p>
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