Is this a side effect of the republican party brand dissolving?

Who is Leah Daughtry and who approved of her spearheading any messages for the democratic party? this is appalling. is this some kind of rovian mole? awful.

Hi BT.

Can we just drop the D from the DLC and be done with it?

It’s actually DNC. Thanks.

OK, I just read some background on her and that’s fine. but so far the two things I have read about her (first impressions and all) have been quite off putting.

Dear Lord, can we get religion out of US politics again. Pretty please? That’s what I’m praying for.

if you read this link, you will see Chairman Dean inherited her from Terry McAuliffe

yeah I know, I was shocked as well :D

We cannot have someone in the Democratic leadership pooh-poohing bigotry as some kind of “big tent” strategy.

Egad. That’s even worse. Doesn’t Howard Dean have a can of Raid or something?

Well, you expect this bullshit from the DLC.

I think this is a side effect of Dems trying too hard to give some of those that got displaced due to Rethug thuggery a place to go.

Everything I ever read about or from or of Terry McAuliff is just POISON to any notion I have of functional Democratic party policy, ideology, plus he’s incompetent on a Bu$hCo scale!!!!

How can we rid us of him???!!

He’s bad, BAD! news.

We did get rid of him. He’s free to go sell used Pontiacs, where he belongs.

Would public schools be required to have courses teaching the Koran and Torah, too?

No.

This has been another…

The Democrats seem to be going out of their way to generate that serious Third Party sooner, rather than later. Religion, religion everywhere, including the middle of the public square!

What would the founders think? I fairly sure I know…

Haven’t you been reading your email? If Obama is elected, the Koran will be the only book allowed in the country and will be the only text in school.
/snark

hopefully you know I agree with you.

was speculating wildly yesterday that Dean kept her to be ‘gracious’ to the losing side in the ‘bruising’ Chair fight – something that never works

and maybe he kept her just to have an experienced hand to help him orient himself but I’d sure like to hear him respond to some of the hate she’s been a spewin

And the I Ching, the Tao, the Upanishads, Confucious, and Buddhism.

The repugs excel in using ignorance to further their aims. Now Dems have a similar tool (emphesis on “tool”). Please get rid of this ignoramus, and her theory of being part of the big tent. There is no place for her or other repug ignorance-mongers.

casualty of the fifty state strategy I expect. Hard to win in Alabama without pandering to religious groups?

Oh yeah, likewise.

Hmmm somewhere way back in American history a small group of religious dissidents sailed from England to avoid a state religion. Their offspring later decided a separation of church and state was a requirement of the new nation. Whatever your religious preference or no is. That of course followed the Scarlet Letter behavior of their own for fathers. That would be tolerance.
Yes dosido religious states are not tolerant and public money was not meant to promote them. Reminds me of the judge and the 10 commandments or some other long ignored cherry picking like ignoring the beatitudes.
Shit kicking religion of the neocons. My fav brand is Buddhism and Quakers I am sure that is offessive to many. Humanism and compassion seems a better way for all to get along and the rest is private although the lust for power corruptd most religious leaders.

I was outraged when I heard about this. When the Alabama Democratic Party does it, that is one thing; I don’t live in Alabama, so they don’t speak for me. But I am a regular monthly contributor to the DNC, and the fact that they would help to fund such a thing bothers me a great deal. I will communicate my concerns to the DNC. Does anyone have contact information for them?

here ya go

Well- as I recall, many of those religious dissidents came to form theocracies of their preferred flavor….the history of such horseshit is rather long.

And the I Ching, the Tao, the Upanishads, Confucious, and Buddhism.

okay, put me down as being in favor.

I hear she works as an executive assistant to DR. Howard Dean. How he can cope with her denigration of chemotherapy as a cancer cure, I can’t understand. Then when you add the fact that, as BT says, “When the Democratic Party calls bigotry an “opinion” we’ve got a problem.” I don’t understand why she needs to be playing such a public role. They should keep her out of the public eye at least, because she is an embarrassment, to me at least! Obviously, she couldn’t be bothered with standing for the Constitution given this:

The Guide included a plan to “require public schools to offer Bible literacy as part of their curriculum,” as well as to “defeat any efforts to redefine marriage or provide the benefits of marriage to a same-sex union”…

The only time I would approve of a plan to “require public schools to offer Bible literacy as part of their curriculum,” is if the same requirement is extended to offer Torah or Quran literacy as part of the curriculum. Then there must be some sort of literacy accorded to those who are agnostic or atheists or Buddhist or Confuscists or Taoist or Hindu or whatever. I wonder if she would understand that! Or whether she would understand that we render under Caesar what is Caesar’s and the civil laws on marriage are Caesar’s, not her own church’s to determine. If her Church wants to ban gay marriage within their church, that’s entirely up to them. But for the civil society, her church does not speak for me, although apparently she expects to let her church speak for all of us.

Texas recently passed a law that is somewhat similar…the consequences may turn out to be comedic as agnostic teachers take on teaching the “History and Literature” of the Bible….

These people had no idea what a can of worms they were opening….

First question class—Is the Bible Inerrant?

If you join the party, be prepared to accept the laws it breaks. Please think before you join a party that does not have your interests at heart? The democratic party is pretty absurd these days. A handful of it’s members vote with the constitution. The rest vote from some fear that causes their mind to wander into childhood terrors.
It is with disgust that the “party” hasn’t used their ability to quash the pathetic nominees that are presented. Nominees that have committed treason before being confirmed. It is with anger that they ignore the law and will not use power to stop laws from being voted on. They did not even do this when they had the chance and were in the minority. Do you see how little truth there is to the claims by democratic congressfolk that they just couldn’t stop it? They had no desire to stop it.
Alas, a few good ones still linger. But 80% appear to be as corrupt as the rest. Their votes are the only thing that matter in the telling of the tale. Talk should be ignored completely for what it is. If the mouth moves, it is lying. Look at how they vote and learn.

Uh, yeah — bet they’ll be lawsuits on that. I hope.

The first revolution was complete: a trading company had become a representative democracy. By 1641, the colony had added its first code of laws, the Massachusetts Body of Liberties,[8] written by Nathaniel Ward, based partly on John Cotton’s draft (Abstract of the Laws of New-England, As They Are Now Established),[9] which specified required behavior and punishments by appeal to the Judeo-Christian social sanctions recorded in the Bible. It is worthy of note that these men did not see any tension between the kind of theocracy they advocated and the type of democracy that was taking shape; to the contrary, they even held that the one required the other. For example: “All magistrates are to be chosen. Deut. 1:13, 17, 15. First, by the free [people]. Secondly, out of the free [people].”[10]. Indeed, the first person to be executed in the colony was Margaret Jones, a female physician accused of being a “witch”.[11] A delusional Dorothy Talbye was hanged in 1638 for murdering her daughter, as at the time Massachusetts’s common law made no distinction between insanity (or mental illness) and criminal behavior.[12] John Winthrop wanted the puritan colony to be a “city upon a hill” or an example of their faith for other colonies to follow.

wiki

Ronnie Raygun loved the “city upon a hill” bullshit- he forgot that it only referred to Massachusetts

Thanks! Sending e-mail to Howard Dean now, with hard copy and phone call to follow.

Thanks. I’m really really really sick and tired of my neighbor’s god telling me what to do. And I’m a pretty metaphysical kinda gal.

Take the log outta your own eye, etc etc.

Many of the early american colonies practiced hanging of Quakers and Baptists…they weren’t very open minded about their religion. Catholics were safe in but a few places.

Any educated person should be familiar with the Bible and Shakespeare- so I’m not opposed to teaching them in school- in fact I’d love to do the teaching- but I doubt if the class would find favor with the fundies. I’d teach the REAL history of the Bible- the cutting and pasting- the editing- the bloody controversies, etc.

The belief in the inerrancy of the Bible is a recent and extra biblical invention..

Take that fundies!

I don’t understand why she needs to be playing such a public role.

Right! That’s my puzzlement. Who’s bright idea was it to give her a spotlight??? and why are fundies so hell bent on keeping their kids stupid?

I could go on and on with this topic. I’m a PK and I cannot stand people claiming that their belief in God makes them right on just about everything under the sun, so far as to start thinking they ARE God. kinda a hot button for me.

“Class- your homework project for tonight is to find EVERY quotation in the Biblle having to do with abortion”.

(Hint- zero is the corect answer)

Second project is to list every offense that the Bible views as “Capital”

(Hint- take lots of paper)

Daughtry is the Dem Convention CEO. She’s a part time Pentecostal preacher too.

Read this:

http://www.demconwatchblog.com…..-leah.html

I prefer Rhode Island, where it was legal to be a Quaker or a Baptist. Or a Jew. [/17th century wild-eyed radical]

People who are a quart low on imagination are often incapable of seeing the likely consequences of a bad idea- the Bible in school is almost certainly such an idea..

True “fundamentalists” probably emerge from a certain ESTJ personality type who can’t imagine it until they see it first.

Rhode Island was certainly the best colony for those who didn’t hoe the assigned row.

The Bible is taught as literature at the college level to English majors. I believe at the HS level biblical references are explained when they arise in other literature, but not as a topic all its own. That’s fair, I think.

I’d like an assignment to find the reference where Jesus says “Bomb the crap out of Iraq.”

Paul’s letter to the Cretins?

I wonder why they think they can even tell god(s) what to do. That’s not religion, that’s arrogance. Or hubris, if carried far enough.

heavy on the “SJ”. guardians of established order.

I’m apparently INFP or INFJ. Heavy on the N part. The others are pretty even. just saying. what are you RW?

Second project is to list every offense that the Bible views as “Capital”

Can ya leave out the ones about working on Sunday and touching the skin of a dead pig?

I’m kinda fond of NFL games….

707! good one.

Give this thing a few years to stew—the next wave will be fundies demanding no Bible study in the public schools….

First question will be “Do we use the Jerusalem (catholic) Bible-or the Revised Standard (Protestant).

I think it’s funny as hell!

ENTP

Which denomination do you suppose they will choose to teach this “bible” class?

Uh oh…another bacon conversation on the burner. I posted a Beggin’ Strips commercial on Attackerman’s post about McCain media. BACON! I love BACON!

What will the “bible” teachers qualifications be?

Definitely Baptist. Our baptist friends are crazy for scripture.

Well that’s a problem…they’ll have to use their existing faculty which ranges from “The Church of what’s happening now”- to people with fang marks on their hands- to Buddhists, to rabid atheists.

They’d have no way that I can see of insisting on specific religious qualifications…

Emphasis on the “drill and kill” method of learning.

It would be impossible to cover the history of the Bible without getting into the highly interesting science of “Higher Criticism” from the 18th and 19th century..

That’d make the fundy’s hair curl and turn snowy.

ENTPs are fluent conversationalists, mentally quick, and enjoy verbal sparring with others. They love to debate issues, and may even switch sides sometimes just for the love of the debate.

It fits! :]

“OK class- read the first chapters of Genesis and tell us whether man was created BEFORE or AFTER fish!

You’d better believe I Dugg this post!

I have a suggestion to be passed on. I think Jane should contact Dr. Dean and invite him to come on FDL and respond to our concerns about this matter.

That’s me

No, no history of the Bible for God’s sake. Just what’s between the covers. Memorize it, pass a test. Letter of the book, not the spirit and point of it all. Makes a great debate winner when you throw it at someone’s head, too.

I know I sound sacriligious right now. I haven’t really “darksided”, but these fundies really make me sick.

The INFP will be happiest in careers which allow them to live their daily lives in accordance with their values, and which work towards the greater good of humanity.

my current job search is a beeyotch.

The relentless pursuit of imposers of value and belief. Convert those native Americans and if they do not comply… kill them. Keep religion out of the schools.

Thinking of Bernard Law and Boston Clergy Abuse!

“In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.”

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Horatio G. Spafford, March 17, 1814

Hey Law you belong in Jail on Obstruction charges just like Libby!!

“It behooves every man who values liberty of conscience for himself, to resist invasions of it in the case of others: or their case may, by change of circumstances, become his own.”

Thomas Jefferson

http://history.hanover.edu/hhr/hhr93_1.html

“Deism was not actually a formal religion, but rather was a label used loosely to describe certain religious views. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the word deist was used negatively during Jefferson’s lifetime. The label was often applied to freethinkers like Jefferson as a slander rather than as a precise description. Thus the deist label is not highly specific. Deists were characterized by a belief in God as a creator and “believed only those Christian doctrines that could meet the test of reason.”[18] Deists did not believe in miracles, revealed religion, the authority of the clergy, or the divinity of Jesus. Like Jefferson they “regarded ethics, not faith, as the essence of religion.”

Keep organized religious absolutisms aka as “bigotry” out of the public schools! The “Golden Rule” is often forgotten by opportunists. The second Jefferson quote listed in this response is consistent with the golden rule!

Jefferson once again on point……

It was a reaction to the growth of science- particularly physics. Newton and others felt that the existence of the universe proved the existence of a creator and so religion could be deduced scientifically….but of course the Bible and other assorted dogma could not be- hence the deists.

BT … has someone brought this to Dean’s attention?

and may even switch sides sometimes just for the love of the debate.

bwaaahaaahaaa – nailed ya :D

awesome comment. thanks.

hey people, let’s try to be lifegiving…

Hey folks, another book recc: Galileo’s Daughter. Great for an up close look at science and religion and tensions therein.

I don’t know, but someone (cough, cough!) could send him this link.

New Jane post

Awesome book. Very sad.

I followed this link back to it’s originations.
Now, if you don’t like Howard Dean and/or his 50 state strategy – just spit it out.
But to discredit the entire DNC because of the allegations and assumptions that built up into this frenzied title is pure bullshit and is not worthy of FDL.
This is such a crock of generalizing based on the personal opinions of a few.

You’re watching Fox too much or worse -listening to Harold Ford Jr..

I have, by e-mail a few minutes ago…I would encourage others to do so

Which part of the New York Times article or the Edge piece has been misrepresented here?

First, she’s the Chief of Staff anda Pentecostal minister – not a minister to the party no more than Dean is her Governor or her Doctor.

Second the digby piece misquotes her, and you run stories off of digby inferences, Jane’s inferences off digby’s inferences – and now you with this this inflammatory headline.

The NY Times quotes Daughtry as saying: “The eggheads will say her chemotherapy worked, but everyone who uses chemotherapy isn’t cured.”

dDgby alters the text to read: “..a high level member of the Democratic Party derisively refers to those who would credit chemotherapy with a cancer remission as “eggheads:”

Third: (a) Nothing Daughtry said is derisive or false. the majority of Christians believe their faith heals them. (b) And I daresay all of them would believe it’s God’s doing. (c) And just because she did have cancer and is cured -there’s no proof it’s the chemotherapy’s doing. (d Eggheads is hardly a ‘derisive’ term -we know many deep believers call the scientists a host of other names that are derisive.

And finally, there are a hell of a lot of other Democrats, Republicans and Independents with views just as extreme all the way down to me – who thinks they’re all pretty whacky, quite frankly.
But guess what? The Dems fight for every one of their beliefs – and loses elections specifically due to some of our other beliefs.

To attack the DNC because you don’t like 1/1,000,0000 of it, is your right, but to turn it into an anti-gay rant is totally out of line and certainly not worthy of such a great Progressive website as FDL is.

My suspicions are that because several pieces have gone on about this – there are other motives behind this. Tying to drive out Howard Dean may be one of them.

Yes?? I’ve answered you truthfully – now do me the courtesy of answering me. ??

Happy to.

The central fact, which you haven’t challenged at all, tellingly — is the DNC funded a fairly nasty, bigoted voter’s guide, designed to pander to the basest, ugliest instincts of Alabama social conservatives. And the person ultimately responsible, Daughtry, glibly chalked it up to people having different “opinions.” She did not, you’ll note, deny that FIA funded the guide. And her apologia of it, and her washing her hands of responsibility for it, was offensive.

I mean, what’s out of bounds? If the voter’s guide called for segregated schools, would we just chalk that up as a difference of “opinion”?

Finally, if you don’t find calling oncologists “eggheads” and blowing off anti-gay, Christianist talking points as a simple matter of opinion “derisive” — I’m afraid we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

In the meantime, when the DNC pulls bullshit like this, I’m going to call them on it.

I call your bullshit, and raise your a shitload more.

1) You cite EDGE who cites…Michelle Malkin ..and her sources??
Holy shit!! And I thought it was the DLC or FOX that warped your thinking.

2) And you rant today, for something that happened back in 2006 – in fucking Alabama fer God’s sakes?? Other accounts report that Hitchcock expected and attacked Dean for not throwing the whole weight of the DNC behind Alabama’s anti-gay marriage ammendment. Because you don’t like a few strategic moves made by Dean – oh boo hoo.. that was 2 YEARS AGO!

3)_And you bring it forward to 2008?? After we won the 2006 election by the way with Deans help because Dean appealed to the faith based community -on their terms – where neither you nor any other Democrat ever attempted to tread before??

4) Again, tellingly, you refuse to answer the question about Dean. Why now, Blue. if you’re not just out on a vendetta agains him, personally in addition to trying to undermine the DNC right before an election??

Oh by the way Blue, I live in Sedona, Arizona. thousands of people every month flock here with every disease in the book to be healed. And you’re fully better aware of how many of the sick and dying flock to the super domed churches. The tele-evangelist industry has millions who believe Doctors are money grubbing bastards, tricksters quacks etc.

Learn to live with egghead..that’s a childish harmless reference spoken from a woman who had the right to call them whatever the hell she wanted.
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It’s just not clear to me why criticizing the DNC for funding a bigoted voter’s guide is tantamount to a “vendetta” against Howard Dean, as part of some super top secret sinister effort to undermine him. I happen to like Dean, and I happen to believe in the 50 state strategy. I do not believe, however, that the 50 state strategy has to, by definition, pander to anti-gay bigots or theocrats.

Moreover, you still have not disputed any fact in the New York Times article, or anything in this post, other than rant about how I’m trying to undermine the party like Harold Ford or Fox News.

I find your criticism unconvincing.

This is why I’m not a member of any political party.

A Democratic party that would give such a disgusting creep the time of day gets naught but the back of my gay hand.

Don’t forget: all of the “Veda’s”, The different Yogas, the “Gnostic Gospels”, the oral traditions of Shaman, the religious significance of two spirited people in Native American traditions(this is for us queers), “The Golden Dawn,” by Alister Crowley, “The Spiral Dance; A Rebirth of the Ancient Religion of Goddess Worship,” StarHawk, the oral tradition of Santeria, the cosmology of Zoroastrians, history of Meso-American religion,… I am sure I have missed some. Oh damn, lets just teach real history in schools and all of these would be studied as the incredibly multifaceted ways humans have found meaning and purpose in Life, for good and for evil. And then we might understand how we humans organize ourselves religiously, culturally, and politically. Then we could all get real, join hands and sing Kum Ba Ya, and have world peace. I can dream, can’t I?