lying is what they do.
Dems dont bother to clean up after the elephants anymore.
largely, they just accept lies as truth.
it is shameful.

Just from a common-sense point of view, there had to have been oil spills: broken equipment, if nothing else. I know that the rig crews did everything they could before they had to leave, but – if there’s oil in a pipe, or in a drill stem, it will leak, and if the pipe or the stem breaks below a shut-off, it’s going to be a bigger leak.

The Wingnut way…. Fixed World View and they cherry pick or change the facts to fit that world view….

They create their own reality…. if you repeat it often enough…. it MUST be true…

Hi Teddy…

lying is what they do.
Dems dont bother to clean up after the elephants anymore.
largely, they just accept lies as truth.
it is shameful.

first response says it all, right on the money here, they repeat lies they know as a fact are lies, they repeat them often and people look at those of us showing the facts as if we are out of our minds

I remember when I was the only person telling my friends and showing them the facts that the media has not been “liberal” since reagan repealed the fairness doctrine, they looked at me as if I had three heads, and even when they were shown the facts, they were told so often that the “media is liberal” that they refused to believe otherwise

I think for the most part most people NOW accept that the media is corporate owned with corporate agenda, but man when I first started saying it no one would give it play because they heard so often otherwise

it’s what the republicans do, the turn lies into accepted common belief by telling them over and over again

Hey! If it washes ashore its finderkeepers. Just think, if you collect a barrel’s worth you can sell it for $128. Just like picking up cans along side the road, a new business opportunity for NOLA poor folks! Another Wonderful Republican Poverty Program, up there with enlisting in the US Army.

This site has great pictures of oil spills after Katrina, and the other stuff is interesting too…

‘SkyTruth promotes environmental awareness and protection with remote sensing and digital mapping technology. We provide stunning images backed by scientifically robust information about our changing environment to stimulate changes in habitat protection, biodiversity conservation, and sustainable resource management. We design and conduct our projects in close partnership with environmental groups, local planners and resource managers to complement their work on a broad spectrum of environmental issues.’
http://skytruth.org/about.html

I watched the Kit Bond, Boxer interview on Hardball..Kit was allowed to go on at length on the lies about no spills from Katrina, and when Boxer tried to debunk these lies, as she clearly wanted to, Chris jumped in, spoke over her and changed the subject…so much for the (SIIIIGH!!!) liberal media.

And David Frum on Krazy Kurtz this morning repeated the lie about the “Liberal Media” without any challenge from Howie or the other panelist!

oh, you have to click on Galleries to get to the pictures…:)

You could see the spills from space for cryin out loud. The silver lining in this is Crist’ polling is george bush bad now.

‘You could see the spills from space for cryin out loud’
That is what the link to SkyTruth.org shows you…

“His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it”

United States Office of Strategic Services in describing Hitler’s psychological profile.

Great post, Teddy, thank you.

Fantastic link, jackie! Very helpful.

Wondering if any firedogs have a good link demonstrating all (or how much area is) currently available for off shore drilling right now? Areas available – which oil companies are not drilling.

What I am trying to get ahold of in one or two links in rebuttal for GOPers on local blogs who repeat the “drill more” meme.. a link which supports a question like, well then, why aren’t they drilling in all the areas available now?

Isn’t this a conflict between empirical information and dogmaticly held “truth” fed to the believers. What’s new?

Cable news readers’ and entertainers’ survival strategy: report Republic lies as truth or be forever banned from jobs at Fox News.

‘Wondering if any firedogs have a good link demonstrating all (or how much area is) currently available for off shore drilling right now? Areas available – which oil companies are not drilling.’
Somebody several days ago posted a map ( I believe of Alaska) showing where the (unused) oil drilling permits were..

oops, you were asking re; off-shore drilling not on-shore….oh well, I was trying to help….:)

I think I saw a map with that info over at KOS yesterday… on the main page. Will go look and see if I can find the link

I didn’t even have to read the post or look at the videos. “No oil spills during Katrina, my friends.”

(Mary runs out of the room)

I saw Boxer and Bond in an interview a few days ago about off shore drilling. I wasn’t really paying attention but heard Bond say there was no problem with oil spilling during Katrina. I went over the GOP induced edge. Wrote the bastard and told him to do his homework and quit lying. Wrote Boxer and told her to check the bastard on his GOP swill.

“But I watched all the coverage of Katrina, and I don’t remember seeing footage of people washing little oil-soaked penguins, so there weren’t any oil spills!”

This is the level of “truth” we are dealing with.

I like a man who pays attention.

Are you familiar with the conditions of the Lakota? Been involved with them in any way?

How to Avoid Turning a Victorious Loss into a Defeat

Here’s a map showing in gray the 229 million acres of federal land that were leased or offered for lease from 1982-2004. In the past four years, the Cheney-Bush administration has issued new leases at a faster pace than ever in the history of the program. From 1999-2007, the issuing of drilling permits rose 361%. Permits have doubled what they were in 2002.

On another note ….. just found out my parents house was badly damaged by fire BUT the good news is that they were away from home and not there when it happened…..

Repiglicans lie? Oh my stars! Who has the smelling salts! I think I just might faint!

Gotta be careful.They might be techically sorta right. They’re talking about this is the context of offshore drilling. The msnbc report said:

As for oil wells in the Gulf of Mexico, Paskewich said the Coast Guard has fielded no reports of offshore spills there,

The leaks in the report appear that they could have occurred whether there was offshore drilling or not (storage facilities., etc.)

One thing that might be nailed down is that though at the time of that report there were no rig spills:

leaks could spring when the thousands of oil platforms and hundreds of miles of pipeline are restarted.

Did that happen?

Still, it should be pointed out that:
[In 2004(?)], Hurricane Ivan was responsible for oil spills in the Gulf.

For me, the point is that they’re missing the point. Bush was absolutely right when he said we’re addicted to oil (even though he had no intention of doing shit about it). The line they use now emphasizes our dependence on “foreign oil.” So when they say we should have been doping this 10 years ago,they’re full of shit. Even if we did, we’d be no less depeendent on oil ( arguably more so) The dependency is the problem. Where the oil comes from is not.

Sorry, but they’re fortunate in a a way. very devastating news, though. Sorry.

Oh, WOW..I am so glad your folks are OK, but it sucks about the house…:(

Been involved in numerous ways including marriage. Was quite impressed with the reemerging spirituality and traditional ways.

At SkyTruth.org the pictures are dated..
I believe the rigs etc were still down when those pictures were taken, so it would be hurricane damage not re-start damage…

According to a very good story and map printed by the San Diego Union a couple of weeks ago, 2/3 of all known reserves offshore are already under lease. The included map showed the amount of reserves in each area and whether it was currently under lease or protected.

Eeeek! Teddy, that middle one is the appearance I previously described in which I said Boxer looked like she was prepped by a mortician. Very distressing.

The sad thing is that my father was an artist, wood carvings and paintings that were totally gone….. two paintings from an old family friend are completely lost……

Dad was joking that now I won’t have to deal with disposing all their stuff after they are gone…. (they are mid 80’s)….. and will be living in a house on a lake where he can fish right off the front porch….

OK. I agree that offshore drilling is bad policy. 100%. All I was saying is that if you’re going to give as one reason, the damage to rigs caused by Katrina, don’t point to that msnbc report because it doesn’t say that. i wasn’t saying that Katrina caused no damage to rigs. I would assume it did if Ivan did. Your source is good support for the argument. the msnbc report really isn’t, in my view. That’s all I’m saying.

Here’s a link to the very good (for a change) San Diego Union story on offshore leases complete with an excellent map..

http://www.signonsandiego.com/…..n9oil.html

Good morning all!

Any new appearances of this lie on the morning gasbag extravaganzas this morning? I figure they were readying it for an expanded rollout this morning. And if anyone challenges it, the liars can say, “Well, the governor of Louisiana ought to know — he said last month not a drop of oil was spilled!”

Then they can quote the paid liar Lott. This is how wingnut lies are born.

Oh, that is so sad…;) ((((katymine and Katymines Mum and Dad)))

(((Katymine)))) So sorry about the folks house, but glad they are alright. Are you back in the States now?

Thanks so much for the linky.

* now back to mowing the lawn*

So there’s currently alot of oil we can get to the pumps relatively quickly even without more drilling, is that it? I just can’t believe the way the Florida Repugs (Crist, Martinez)did a 180 on this issue, just for a hoped for political gain. No. Wait. that’s easy to believe.

‘OK. I agree that offshore drilling is bad policy. 100%. All I was saying is that if you’re going to give as one reason, the damage to rigs caused by Katrina, don’t point to that msnbc report because it doesn’t say that. i wasn’t saying that Katrina caused no damage to rigs. I would assume it did if Ivan did. Your source is good support for the argument. the msnbc report really isn’t, in my view. That’s all I’m saying.’
Did I miss something?? I wasn’t trying to make waves…:(

From the story linked above:

The impassioned debate masks a little-known reality: About two-thirds of the recoverable oil reserves on the Outer Continental Shelf in the lower 48 states already are accessible for development.

In recent weeks, House Democrats have accused oil companies of letting 68 million acres of leased land onshore and offshore sit idle. Industry officials said they’re working to tap oil in those areas.

The U.S. Minerals Management Service, which runs the federal offshore leasing program, estimates that 18 billion barrels of oil are available from offshore areas that are off-limits – and more than half of that lies off California. At current consumption rates, that’s enough to supply the country for about 2½ years

‘I wasn’t trying to make waves’ unintentional pun???

The existing leases are apparently largely undeveloped. They have been studied for estimates of reserves, but the leaseholders have not chosen to drill yet- perhaps for economic reasons- the cost of offshore drilling is very high- so it may make more sense for them to sit on the oil and produce in during the days of $300 per barrel oil- but I really don’t KNOW why they aren’t drilling. Seems that the president oughta find out.

Bald faced lying is nothing new to the Neo-Know Nothings that populate todays GOP and far right.

-G

Eeeek! Teddy, that middle one is the appearance I previously described in which I said Boxer looked like she was prepped by a mortician.

I figure it’s just a temporary bout of nausea – look at who she is being forced to stand next to – Kit Bombed.

I know it’d make me sick….

Only Three Years-
so many friends’ lives times three…….

what about the argument that just knowing that’s it’s OK to drill will make the cost of a barrel of oil go down? they pint to the fact (?? is it? i heard it from Dick Morris and I don’t believe anything he says) that the day after Bush signed his recent executive order on this, the price of a barrel went down. i figure it may be true, i don’t know, but it’s always gonna come back up. Like, whether you live, did it go up for the 4th of July weekend? then it went down? Did it go back down to where it had been? Not here> never does.

Jindal: although he was asked about “oil rigs” he expanded his response to say the great unwritten success story of Katrina was that there were “no major spills”

Lott: “we didn’t have one drop of oil spilled during the biggest hurricane in recent history, during Katrina”

Bond: “oil rigs off of Louisiana did not spill a drop of oil during Katrina”

McCain: “hurricanes did not cause any real difficulties”

See, it’s the evolution of the lie that’s fascinating to me. They start from the small (perhaps) true statement that no spills were detected from the oil rigs themselves (probably because of the long lead-time to the hurricane) and expand that into the lie that “not one drop of oil spilled.” Allowing the falsehood to erase the truth of a spill two-thirds the size of the Valdez accident.

It’s how they roll.

LOL. Marriage. Yeah, I’d call that involved. Their spirituality is, looking for a word that would accurately describe it. Lakota are so in tune with Mother Earth. Have a lot of admiration for them. Two of the things I’d like to see change is the mindset and policies at Interior.

I have a lady friend who is Choctaw/Crow. I’m learning a lot.

Has anyone paid any attention to how many offshore drilling rigs are available for exploration? The domestic cartel hasn’t perceived the viablity of these reserves enough to invest in this equipment.

I read recently that there are NO idle rigs available. Those monsters are INCREDIBLY expensive- and take years to construct. They don’t just sit around like a rental car in the Hertz Lot.

new post http://firedoglake.com/2008/07…..t-is-that/

Glenn Smith upstairs with some funny stuff.

OSLO (Thomson Financial) – Scorpion Offshore Ltd. said it has ordered a new deepwater semi-submersible drilling rig from Keppel shipyard in Singapore, at a cost of approximately $700 million.

‘Construction is expected to span 42 months with delivery in the fourth quarter of 2011,’ the Norwegian firm said.

Scorpion said the decision to order the new rig followed an agreement with Petrobras that will see the rig begin operations for the Brazilian firm in summer 2012.

‘The letter of commitment has a duration of six years with potential revenue of approximately $1.1 billion plus operating cost inflation adjustments throughout the contract term,’ Scorpion said.

‘The cash flow from this contract will result in full payout of the cost of the rig during the initial contract term.’

And the cost of refineries?

Two foreign companies broke ground Monday on construction of the largest oil refinery in the U.S. in the Gulf Coast town of Port Arthur.

Motiva Enterprises LLC, owned by Royal Dutch Shell and Saudi Aramco, will invest $7 billion to expand an existing refinery.

That’s the biggest capital investment Texas has ever received, and it comes at a time when refiners are enjoying fat profits, state officials said.

Work continues at the existing Motiva plant during the ground-breaking ceremony for the refinery’s expansion in Port Arthur. Some U.S. refiners are shy about expanding at home, where demand for fuel grows slowly. Instead, they’re building overseas, where the appetite for fuel is more ravenous.

“We are the largest producer, the U.S. is the largest consumer” of oil, said Abdulaziz al-Khayyal, senior vice president, industrial relations, for Saudi Aramco, the kingdom’s national oil company.

“We’ve always made a decision to be present in a significant way in all major markets,” he said.

Saudi Aramco is also building refineries outside of the U.S., but the Port Arthur project is massive.

The expansion will more than double the capacity for the existing refinery to 600,000 barrels a day.

Get yer red hot Diggs right here.

And David Frum on Krazy Kurtz this morning repeated the lie about the “Liberal Media” without any challenge from Howie or the other panelist!

For Americans it would be beneficial to deport Frum back to where he came from. However, since I live in Canada I would prefer that you guys keep him!

One interesting thing that the San Diego paper’s story on this inadvertently brings out is that the Santa Barbara oil spill (1969) was the first big spill to be fully covered on TV. The Exxon Valdez was covered even more fully, with the contrast between pristine Alaska waters and the inability to stop the muck from killing hundreds of thousands of creatures being the major part of the narrative.

The corporate fascists and their political and MSM minions learned a lot from Exxon Valdez. Since then, media has somehow not covered most major spills. And the 4 or 5 million gallons spilled offshore – let alone the undisclosed millions of gallons spilled onshore in the lower Delta by Katrina and along the coast from there to the Houston Ship Canal in Rita? – I can’t remember seeing images of the damages on TV. At least in a comprehensive report done by reporters who know how to do environmental damage assessment.

And don’t even let me get started on the ? gallons of fuel oil spilled into the Mediterranean from the Jiyeh power station spill in the summer of 2006.

The intersection of corporate fascism and cynical politics is killing the fucking planet. Fast.

That is true but 1) the vessels used for exploration are not quite as complex/expensive. 2) There is significant area available for exploration.
3) what is actually there is little more than conjecture at this point.

true. an incrmental whopper. know what has facinated me? the way they’re presenting this off-shore drilling thing as just opart of their comprtehensive energy plan. bullshit, of course. when you see these guys on the floor of the house they have charts and graphs about waht? oil drilling. not a word about electric cars, wind, solar.

also, the lie mccain is repeating that BO is opposed to coal. false. he has said over and over that he wants clean coal and we can delop the technology to do it. don’t know if that’s true, but he hasn’t oppose coal.

The gooper campaign platform is taking shape- and it resembles an oil drilling platform.

“them dems are radical environmentalists and they won’t let us drill- so that’s why yer gas is so high”

Coupled with: “Iraq is a great success- we’ve got the damned thing mostly won- no thanks to the defeatist dems.”

and of course

“We’ll lower yer taxes and them dems’ll raise em”

The no mystery campaign.

hi teddy-haven’t read comments yet. already epu’d

new counterfactual talking point. See if you can spot it.

what i spotted-by video numbered–

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#1 mccain–says callyfornia….environmental side is ’pretty well ok’…..louisiana, did not cause any real difficutlies…

#2 bond–environmentally friendly way….louisiana, did not spill any significant amount of oil…..we can produce oil and gas in a much more environmentally sensitive ways than the other countries that my colleagues want to ’beg’ to produce that oil (it’s about manhood)

#3 lott–do it now, but do it safely and in an environmentally and friendly and wisely…….nobody wants to unnecessarily endanger pristine areas…..danger danger foreign oil……

best line that describes what they’re selling is from the anchor on the last one said it at the end—CHEMICAL CASTRATION. i can’t believe he said that…rofl….

danger danger fear fear we know what we’re doing, really, the foreigners the foreigners endangering our manhood…. shwing!

they are also using ’acreage’ terms, nothing about livelihoods affected…….to depersonalize it and make it about the environment, not about what they are really doing….

eureka–i don’t have off-shore numbers, but we have 68 million acres already permitted on land, i have been trying to find out how many are already drilled that are capped, can’t find that anywhere, seems like that should be public information since it’s public lands, the private lands i can understand the right to not list it publicly, just registered with gov’t for permits…info is nowhere to be found…and 4,000 permits just issued a month or two ago in wyoming on gov’t lands. gas and oil.

Tom Brokow spouted it to AL GORE this morning on Meet the Press and wasn’t challenged. Maybe because it was in a statement that had three other facts wrong for Al to correct, he didn’t get to it. But the statement was left uncorrected.

That interview was a disgrace. Tom hit all the low points like he was trying to take Gore out of a race he isn’t even in.

Republicans = Rube

((((((((((TEDDY))))))))))

i don’t know the total of all offshore rigs available .. but there are currently 69 offshore rigs drilling in the gulf of mexico .. only two of which are drillin’ for oil btw .. the rest are drillin’ for natural gas ..

now .. you’d think with oil at still 130USD/bbl that the oil boyz would be drillin’ for oil .. but i just looked at the rig count and there’s a total of 1,980 or so active land and offshore drillin’ rigs workin’ ..this week .. but 1595 are drillin’ for natural gas and only 397 are drillin’ for crude oil .. odd eh ??

y’all can view the US rig count .. it comes out every friday .. baker-hughes has been tracking and reporting the weekly rig count since 1942 .. it tell how many rigs are workin’ .. whether they’re land or offshore .. and whether they’re drillin’ for oil or NG .. and compares this week to last week .. and this week to last year .. it’s an interesting document ..

[google] U.S. Rig Count then click on the 2nd listing .. U.S Rotary Rig Count …

I’m a little late to this party, but Messrs. McCain, Lott, Jindal, et al.: STFU. Really. Just shut up.