For at least two years, the Nashville PD have been recklessly endangering citizens by using emergency medical personnel to forcibly inject Versed — a powerful prescription medication with side effects including agitation and confusion — into agitated, confused people. This potentially lethal stupidity is what we can expect when people who go to work with guns on their belt decide to play "doctor".
To compound the dangerous stupid, Versed’s side effects include the same behavior the geniuses in Nashville seek to control.
Reactions such as agitation, involuntary movements, hyperactivity and combativeness have been reported in adult and pediatric patients. Should such reactions occur, caution should be exercised before continuing administration of midazolam.
In addition to making agitated patients more agitated, Versed can (and does) cause respiratory depression. What’s respiratory depression – a case of the sighs? Nope – respiratory depression is the fancy doc talk for what happens when the nerve cells in our lizard brain get so sedated they forget to tell us to breathe – and we suffer severe brain damage, or even die. Because, amazingly enough, our brains require oxygen to survive.
Midazolam is a potent sedative agent that requires slow administration and individualization of dosage. Clinical experience has shown midazolam to be 3 to 4 times as potent per mg as diazepam. BECAUSE SERIOUS AND LIFE-THREATENING CARDIORESPIRATORY ADVERSE EVENTS HAVE BEEN REPORTED, PROVISION FOR MONITORING, DETECTION AND CORRECTION OF THESE REACTIONS MUST BE MADE FOR EVERY PATIENT TO WHOM MIDAZOLAM INJECTION IS ADMINISTERED, REGARDLESS OF AGE OR HEALTH STATUS. Excessive single doses or rapid or intravenous administration may result in respiratory depression, airway obstruction and/or arrest. The potential for these latter effects is increased in debilitated patients, those receiving concomitant medications capable of depressing the CNS, and patients without an endotracheal tube.
These deadly side-efects make Versed a drug that cannot be safely used without full capacity and opportunity to intubate the patient. In many teaching hospitals, use of Versed outside the ICU seting is restricted or prohibited: the risk of iatrogenic (treatment-caused) respiratory depression leading to brain damage or death is judged to be too great.
Of course, this concept may be lost on many whose co-workers insist that choke holds killed black people not because the victims couldn’t breathe, but because of the victims’ ethnicity.
In 1982, Chief Gates provoked an outcry from civil rights advocates when he said that blacks might be more likely to die from choke holds because their arteries do not open as fast as arteries do on "normal people."
The concept also may be lost on many whose co-workers insist that when people are hog-tied and placed face down (thus compressing airways), the resultant deaths have nothing to do with the hog-tying….so they keep using the hog-tying technique known to kill people.
The simple fact of the matter is that even if officers take precautions, hog-tied and prone restraint is inherently risky.
In other words, the concept that our brains actually need oxygen to survive appears to be lost on a significant fraction of those who work in law enforcement.
The Nashville cops try and justify setting themselves to forcibly administer powerful mind-altering drugs without judicial order (much less consent) by trundling out a local Emergency Services doc who tries to excuse away this insane practice by citing a diagnosis that doesn’t even exist: "excited delirium".
…they are assessing the situation and saying, ‘This person is not acting rationally. This is something I’ve been trained to recognize, this seems like excited delirium.’ I don’t view delirium in the field as a police function. It is a medical emergency. We’re giving the drug Versed that’s routinely used in thousands of health care settings across the country in the field by trained paramedics. I view what we’re doing as the best possible medical practice to a medical emergency," Slovis said.
The phrases "excited delirium" and "agitated delirium" were pushed on the world by law enforcement and the people who sell them weapons — like the nice folks from Taser. There is no such medical diagnosis.
The cause of death only appears where police are involved in restraining individuals.[2][3] The term has no formal medical recognition and is not recognized in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. There may also be a controversial link between "excited delirium" deaths and the use of Tasers to subdue agitated people.[4]
Am I relying on the Wiki? Nope — for years, delirium was a big part of how I made my living. Over years as a consultation-liaison psychiatrist responsible for organ transplant recipients and many oncology patients in a major UC teaching hospital, I diagnosed and treated delirium just about every week, and most days in most weeks. Why? Delirium is very common in patients so severely ill as to require hospitalization in major university teaching hospitals. By some estimates up to one-third of patients in major med centers on any given day will meet diagnostic criteria for delirium. Most will be quiet, so the delirium is often missed. A few will be disinhibited ("agitated") as a symptom of the delirium. "Agitation" is no more a diagnostic category for brain disease than "chest pain" is a diagnostic category for heart disease. Both are symptoms, not diagnoses.
Duh.
Delirium is characterized by a fluctuating (waxing and waning) impairment in orientation (accurate knowledge of self, time, location, and situation). Yep – on any given day, up to one third of acutely ill patients won’t quite know what day it is — and many won’t give an accurate answer about their location and/or situation. Over the course of the day, the level of disorientation waxes and wanes. Who cares? Well, in hospital patients, persistent delirium is one factor predicting an increased risk of death. Yet the delirium is very seldom the factor that causes death.
Delirium is simply an obvious indication of impaired brain function. In medical patients it may reflect other disease states (infection and/or major cardiac, pulmonary, liver, or kidney disease), medication side effects, or even prolonged sleep disturbance. Among these causes, the underlying disease is almost always what causes the delirium-associated deaths.
In people on the street, delirium may sometimes reflect medical illness, but is far more often simply a reflection of acute (and hence self limiting) intoxication with alcohol or other substances. In other words, on the street, delirium fortunately seldom indicates the patient has an acute medical illness — and far more commonly simply indicates acute intoxication.
Who cares? Well, the above facts explain why Dr Slovis’ excuse for forcibly giving Versed to delirious people on the street is bogus
I don’t view delirium in the field as a police function. It is a medical emergency.
Though some acutely intoxicated folks on the street do perish as a result of their confusion, the vast majority don’t. If they did, every Sunday morning college campuses across America would be littered with the bodies of those who got so wasted the night before they couldn’t find their way home.
To justify an insane policy, Nashville’s emergency service doc cites a spurious emergency from a non-existent diagnosis.
Of course, my "colleague" who attempts to defend having Officer Friendly direct EMS personnel to forcibly adminster Versed is the same doc presiding over use of a deadly drug with side effects that look exactly like the "symptoms" the Nashville PD presume to treat in the first place.
Nashville: home of country music and Gulag medicine. No wonder Johnny Cash gave ‘em the finger.
Scotty, if I ever end up drunk in Nashville, beam me outta there. Stat.
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Dayam, some true brainiacs, eh, Doc?
hey ct
doc murphy is at an event that was supposed to have wifi – he got there and there is none. he is scrambling looking for a way onto the tubes
Spread the word: Digg this post
dugg and thanks for opening it eg
Kirk, Thank you for the post and I don’t plan on going to Nashville, so no problem. This is OT but because of your knowledge and expertise, I do have a question. In GA many of the farms and fields are fertilized with chicken litter for fertilizer. There are lots of chicken farms to the north so I can see how easy it would be to use the waste on the southern fields but can you sometime talk about the safety issues of this?
I hope that he finds one but I can always wait for his next post. It’s interesting because buying local produce might not always be what is best.
this just frosts me – isn’t this illegal? shouldn’t it be illegal? aren’t these cops practicing medicine without a license?
Since we are waiting, I might as well ask how the house selling is going? It took me nine months which was complicated by the fact that I was still living with my ex under stressful conditions. House selling by itself is stressful.
house finally sold – am packing and should be heading up to oregon first or more likely the second week in august
Crikey Kirk
what about drug allergies?
just for one example of the dangers beyond the risks of the drug itself
Short answer, yes, long answer is shouldn’t they have enough training to question the technique. It’s like the exercise they did at Yale years ago where you just followed the authority figure even though it resulted in torture. If egregious is still, here she can probably remember the name of the study.
That hugs, Suz!
you thinking of the infamous stanford experiment?
Congratulations! Did you throw away the vacuum?
Party! Just in the knick of time, Suz? ;-)
Stanford Prison Experiment
i’ve been leaving dirty dishes in the sink at night and now doing the floors. floors are boycotted until last day so they look nice for the buyer.
Yale’s Milgram perhaps
i don’t understand why the AMA isn’t up in arms about the nashville pd doing this.
if docs were out there investigating traffic collisions based on injuries sustained, the cops would be pitching a real fit.
from Doc’s link -
they have also used it on 3 pregnant women – despite strong contraindications
just like our government drugs rendered prisoners and ice drugs deportees.
Maybe. It was decades ago where an individual would raise the voltage to shock an individual if he answered a question wrong. It was a control study to see how far an individual would go in following orders even if it meant potentially harming another person. The police officers in Nashville are pretty much told, it’s a good thing by those in authority and without questioning just follow orders.
and do you give the same dose to a 130 pounder as you do a 300 pounder ?
Aren’t there any lawyers in Nashville who can go after this for practicing medicine without a license? Surely this cannot be legal. This needs national exposure — I’m sure the media will be right on it.
From the first link in the post:
Kind of puts “date rape drugs” to shame, doesn’t it?
Imagine the courtroom back-and-forth, in a case where the witness/defendant was given Versed:
Q: What did the officers do to you?
A: I don’t remember.
Q: Could it be that you were egging them on, encouraging them?
A: I really don’t recall. I was just acting normally, and then . . .
*crickets*.
Q: So you could have been provoking them, acting violently?
A: Go pull the ubiquitous video tapes, or get the NSA email records,
or check the warrantless wiretaps, because I don’t remember a thing.
Yeah, that’ll be a fine day for the rule of law.
its the trickle down theory in practice
unfortunately, its the worst of what our fed govt does trickling down into local police practices
fyi – Donna Edwards up in 30 sec
Thanks, that’s it. It was such a frightening study because it did show how we tend to be a nation of followers and we haven’t changed.
*raising a glass*
To a successful home sale!
*ding*
(Does this mean that things will get wilder around here during the second week of August?)
thanks peterr
i’m hoping to borrow a laptop and be able to be around in the evenings
While we were waiting, there was a hilarious video cartoon spoofing McCain and Short Ride Joe up on the NRN video site.
Is Nashville just down the road from Moscow?
tis the underlying reason for the fear fear fear campaigns of the gop for the last 8 years
I don’t mean to be glib but imo the retroactive immunity and the fisa bill pretty much decided that we are only a nation of laws for some, not all. We probably have always been that way considering Cindy McCain was not charged for a felony not 99.9% of Americans would have been. Might make an interesting sermon.
Which hall is she appearing at?
Obama on the screen at NN. Introduced as a “progressive”
Progressive my ass.
Bring on Donna!
Exhibit Hall 4
Obama’s video address is running now
Rev,
are you there ???
Exhibit Hall 4. It’s streaming here.
Mahalo, cbl!
sitting at home watching. Just put the mute on waiting for Donna.
Booman wrote that next year it’s in Pittsburgh! I can take a train or drive and not have to deal with the freaking TSA!
Mahalo, Rev, too! ;-)
As you might guess, the notion of “fine for me, but not for thee” has appeared in my sermons more than once. The FISA amendment votes may have confirmed that this sentiment is alive and well, but it has been around for a long, long time.
Sorry, should have said that Cindy was not charged when 99.9% of Americans would have been. I will say that I do think that Cindy received a fair sentence because she needed help not jail.
The speaker/comic up now needs to learn to excise “um” from her vocabulary.
Umm, that’d be nice…! ;-)
waving hi from the Philly area.
Somehow I don’t think that Pittsburgh in the middle of August is going to be much cooler than anywhere else we’ve been. Hoping to see some of you closer to my corner of the world.
This is her 3rd year doing it. She’s not the worst nor the best they’ve had.
That’d be a lot further I’d have to paddle my outrigger, Rev…! ;-)
I don’t know whether that’s the good news or the bad news.
So are you volunteering for the “Hawaii 2010″ NRN local arrangements committee?
I just report. There was one last year that was much worse. The 2 guys, one who did a really sick version of W (very true to life) was pretty good as was Baratunde.
hawaii 2010 sounds good to me peterr
We might want to see the islands before they sink into the ocean thanks to global warming. Might have to do that sooner rather than later.
Shoot, that’d be awesome…! We have lot’s of hotel space for it…! ;-)
She’s (um) got some (um) good stuff (um), but (um) her vocal tic (um) is a little (um) distracting.
but then hawaii means tsa… wait, is there tsa for cruise ships?
But all the DFHs would want to camp out on the beaches.
she’s not very good but can someone please explain the McCain joke to me. I never got it.
Heh, If my isle would be submerged any time soon, the George Strait song “Beachfront Property in Arizona” would be true…! ;-)
oceanfront property
True, it’d crowd out the locals already living there… Hmmm…!
Really ready for Donna. Enough of the comic and Obama as the time filler. On to the real thing. Please?
D’oh, mangled a perfectly good tune…! 8-)
Arizona? Perhaps Bmaz has a lanai he’d like to sell you . . .
Anyone on line who’s actually at NN?
WASHINGTON, D.C. — Sen. Barack Obama has been meeting secretly with heavy industry CEOs in Washington to discuss issues that he would face as president.
On the campaign trail, Obama has been highly critical of corporate executives and promised them nothing but tougher regulation and higher taxes. But the unannounced, small evening sessions with them since he clinched the Democratic nomination have been non-confrontational and cordial.
Obama scheduled the meetings without any hopes of winning the captains of industry over from Sen. John McCain, but to show them they would be able to do business with him in the White House and that the president’s door would be open to the corporate leaders. Their consensus was that he has largely succeeded in that purpose.
Got a link for that tidbit?
No linky?
No. Watching Al Gore online today made me so envious. Atlanta is actually a pretty nice city and hopefully someday they will come here.
Just driving by. This idea of chemical restraint is part of a pattern of non-medical use of drugs by non-medical personnel. ICE is supposed to have used similar drugs for similar reasons. CIA interrogators are supposed to have used psychotropics on detainees. Even the lethal cocktail administered to death row inmates at their execution is done without a physician and monitored by prison not medical personnel.
This all used to be the thing of spy novels performed by sadists. Now it’s just business as usual. Says a lot about what we have become as a nation.
i believe ca does require a physician and iirc, they have had a hard time finding doctors to be executors. i could be wrong about that… tis from memory
It’s like the Solzhenitsyn books I used to read years ago. I was so grateful he had escaped that horrible treatment, and grateful that our country didn’t treat people that way….
Comic. You’re being kind. I wish Gina would hush.
i remember reading them and thinking the same. little did i know that a mere 30 years later, i would be living in a country that does what was described then as communist russia tactics
Our nation is so in the tank at this point. Hard to feel good about anything.
I’ve been tooling around parts of PA this past week. Spent 2 days in Chris Carney’s district. Let’s just say he deserves to serve such a place.
I’ve got the same memory, Suz. There have been occasional problems, in CA and elsewhere, when they couldn’t get a certified medical person to participate.
There are places, though, where a state has given non-medical folks permission to administer the drugs involved in the death cocktail. “Hey, they’re not prescribing drugs — they’re just following the doctor’s recipe.”
Gavin Newsome speaking at NRN tomorrow night? That could be quite fun, on so many levels . . .
Sadly it’s been too much about Gina the past 2 years. The good news is that she said she’s not going to be running it next year.
I just looked it up, the train fare from where I’m at to Pitsburgh is $44 one way. WooHoo.
working on his run for governor is my guess
Don’t Verse me, bro!
Because I live in the south, I run across and actually mingle with the other side. Normally I’ll just either let minor things slide or do a zinger such as it would be difficult for me to vote for McCain because of his foul language directed at his wife and his rape jokes but today having no patience, I just said “get a life”. Anyone who knows me, knows that is the ultimate insult.
who’s Gina?
Do you think that he can win?
That, and celebrating the gay marriage victory at the CA Supreme Court. Whatever else one may think of him, his support for same-sex marriage (especially the Valentine’s Day marriages) has been a delight to witness.
gina cooper – organizer who runs netroot nations, blf
The conference ends tomorrow afternoon at the brunch, so if he’s speaking tomorrow night it will be “after hours.” I guess that’s his natural milieu anyway.
This is my first presidential election as a sorta southerner.
yipee.
i dunno – way too early to tell – he’s got some negatives that are positive and positives that are negative depending on one’s point of view
Donna was supposed to speak an hour 20 minutes ago. WTF?
Enough already. Bring on Donna!
u there, suze? people getting impatient with Gina? i don’t know when i’ll ever make one of those. hey, orlando is the 2nd most popular convention place after Vegas. they oughta come here. then i’d go fer sure.
TREX has great pictures on his site of the convention, which now seems to be run by former and present fdler’s. http://www.iamtrex.com
not there bfl – home packing for the move
Although the Hippocratic Oath is usually not taken anymore by physicians, the ethical contradiction of a physician being part of an execution is very real.
I should point out that the use of a drug like Versed should be used in consultation with or on the instruction of a physician. Once such a drug has been administered the patient should be monitored by medical personnel and assessed by a physician. It’s important to underline that medically competent people should be part of this process at all points and the ones calling the shots. The reason for this is fairly simple. Suppose for example a person had an acute asthma attack and their panic and difficulty breathing were interpreted as “excited delirium”. Giving them Versed instead of a epinephrine, oxygen, and a rescue bronchodilator would probably kill them.
trex is taking a much needed break and tex betsy and others have done a nice job stepping up to help him out and live blog netroots.
exactly why cops should not be doing this
i’m not at all up on this. where is 2009?
scroll up – Pittsburgh PA
It’s on the page of the calendar right after 2008, and right before 2010.
I have a question for nobody inparticular, but, is that photo to the right of the current feed at NRN of Marcy and Christy?
could be marcy but not christy – she didn’t go this year
i thought i saw that. never been. not even close.
They have to take the offering first.
wise ass
If that’s the way you see it, I’d appreciate it if you’d say “Rev. W.A.”
I know it’s Marcy, I saw her on one of the panels earlier today, wasn’t sure if it was Christy, tho…! Thanx, Suz!
looking around for a bolt of lightening headed to florida
Donna may be a favorite of the Netroots folks, but the way things are going, her own constituents are going to be in bed by the time she gets to the stage, if they aren’t already.
suze, didn’t you bury St. Joseph? If not, that’s why it took so long. If so, don’t forget to dig him up. We left St. Joseph in NJ.
they took more time to do the offering than I do doing a sermon. Having been to YKos twice I understand all of the preliminaries, but for those who are streaming for the first time, all of this filler is embarrassing.
i did – and it was letting the good saint know that if he didn’t get off his ass and find me a buyer he was going to be residing inside the spetic tank that finally got his attention.
had a buyer 10 days later.
TN state law allows the involuntary injection of sedatives as a law enforcement tool? No medical history or background, no idea of what other drugs or chemicals or mental processes are at work? No liability for the consequences?
Whatever happened to a little police work and a few hours a week at the gym. I thought that’s what basic martial arts training and handcuffs were for. Competently administered, they tend not to have permanent consequences, including death or pregnancy complications.
This is even more remarkable than the increasingly widespread and potentnially dangerous or legal use of Tasers. The aspiration, it seems, is that in BushWorld, law enforcement can do no wrong. I hope that’s not true in the real world.
It is Christy – with Jeralyn sitting next to her – it’s from last year
hey firedogs – had to reboot – anyone have the live feed link handy ? thx
they are still doing filler before Donna, but here’s the link. One of the not very funny comics on right now.
i knew it. he came through for us, too. my kid is up there now. i gotta tell her to go dig him up.
thanks Rev !
Taking Diebold to task tho…! ;-)
LOL, My realtor buried St. Joseph and I assume the statue is still buried, although who knows, maybe she went back and is now recycling him.
revdeb – they’ve not said why the delay yet?
That almost makes it worse. If they knew this was part of the evening, then they shouldn’t have put out a schedule that says “Donna Edwards keynote – 8:00 PM.”
teddy gave me st joe in november at the first meetup here – i had been on the market since february 07
even saints can use a little prodding now and then. But if you’re not Catholic, you gotta wait. That’s just part of the deal. He takes care of Catholics first.
Doesn’t seem fair to her either. Her night to shine and this happens – poor organization IMO.
Now Markos is speaking.
In the past there’s been a lot of this kind of stuff, but they didn’t say that the headliner would speak at the specific time they did this time IIRC.
Markos is introducing Donna. This might take a while.
Can we chip in next year to hire a writer for NNations filler speakers next year?
This is very bad policy obviously. However people should know that people with epilepsy or seizure disorders can exhibit very strange behavior sometimes looking like they are on drugs or worse. I am involved with the Epilepsy Foundation and we do training for the police and other agencies to educate them as to the strange behaviors that are possible from these disorders.
I shudder to think what can happen to these people without the policy discussed in this post. Add to an already volatile situation a medication that can have multiple adverse reactions and well, I am very scared for myself and anyone that has a seizure disorder. Let’s be clear anyone at anytime can develop a seizure disorder and there is no telling what will trigger a seizure. A seizure can manifest in a typical Grand Mal in which the person falls on the floor, or it can manifest in strange behavior like described in the post.
People have adverse reactions to drugs all the time. Drugs should not be administered without consent. Period.
BTW Gretchen Morgenson at the NYT has an article pondering the disparate treatment of big and little people in the financial markets. It’s stuff that we have been saying here for a while, but good to see the message spreading.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07…..ref=slogin
Markos has done an amazing job developing Daily Kos and Network Nations.
i immediately thought back to my training, ongoing training while working at the pd, on effectively handling people with mental health issues and meteorological problems. training that was both at the dept and in classrooms and was taught by health care professionals. lots of don’t assumes were involved in that training.
i don’t understand why the nashville cops are not protesting this out of classification liability risk.
Amen, MsAnna. I have to go find my medic alert necklace…
double crap
make that neurological problems.. not meteorological
head hanging in shame
Yeah, Donna! ;-)
One hour forty-six minutes after the scheduled time. Here’s Donna!
you have epilepsy? i do and I know I’ve exhibited strange behavior. Butvthat might have been because I was on drugs. Yeah, they don’t know what triggers the seizures, but you can pretty much count on having one with excessive alcohol consumption.
Donna gives FDL billing in her thank-you!
They are just following orders. BTW, Donna doesn’t need to be funny to follow the previous group. Yeah, FDL recognized.
Shout out to FDL!
Tonight she’s literally a golden girl.
Donna giving a shout out to FDL, first…! ;-)
i don’t know where mine is either. used to wear it with a st. joseph’s medal. maybe it’s buried outside a house in NJ.
woohoo!
Would have been nice if Howie and Jane could have introduced Donna.
Democratic party must respond to us!
People can experience an altered state of consciousness from a whole laundry list of medical conditions and drugs. It’s one of the important reasons why you want a competent medical assessment before a drug which can mask what is going on is administered. Along with seizure, there are stroke, asthma, hypoglycemia, hyperglycemia, electrolyte imbalance, ketoacidosis, panic attack, heart attack, dementia, even pneumonia, just off the top of my head that could be mistaken for alcohol or illicit drug induced delirium, plus all the things Kirk mentioned, plus a whole slew of drugs and drug interactions.
Wow, she is wonderful
Something wrong with the picture in MD she says. Sure is. It’s name is Steny Hoyer.
who’s howie? Marko is abig star, though, ain’t he? i saw him on msnbc and everything.
Amen, Rev! Heh, Vast Left Wing Conspiracy…!
what if they don’t??
howie klein- host of blue america here at the lake weekend
Maybe we could all dress up and act like telecoms. *g*
Ask Al Wynn
That’d get our foot in the door at least…! ;-)
i had a seizure driving once. slammed into a fire hydrant and sign and a a tree like i was in a pinball machine. got to the hospital and they gave me a summons for dwi. drew blood. 0.0 BAC. still had to go to court.
oh, yeah. OK. he’s good.
lol
now who’s being a wise ass? :)
Donna dissing Barak—mildly, of course. She knows he let us all down and says she/we need to hold his feet to teh fire.
Preach it sister!
not to go off topic, but …… anybody see the film clip of Obama hitting that little jump shot? he’s lefty.
707!
the part about the MedicAlert medallion and the St. Joseph’d medal is true, though.
not lefty enough for me.
Beefart, Blue America is a great site to donate to because even though the candidates they support might not win, the ones that win like Donna are pretty good.
The Herman Munster guy??
the damn stream keeps hiccuping. It didn’t do that before Donna, but it’s been choppy since she came on.
agree.
That was great and it was wonderful how the troops loved him. Do you have the link. I saw the entire five minutes at Kos which was linked to from Ballooon Juice.
LOL. true. me either.
thers is upstairs
Memorandum
To: Denver Convention organizing committee
From: Peterr
Re: Democratic Convention schedule
Give Donna Edwards a prime time speaking slot. Can the comics, punt the pundits, and hold the hokieness. Give Donna Edwards a prime time speaking slot.
You won’t be sorry.
saw about 10-15 seconds. that’s all they showed. it’s probably up on YouTube no? i’ll check.
Howie works hard to vet candidates for us. He digs deep to find people who care about what we do and will listen to us. Doesn’t always work—Chris Carney lied to us just to get our money and support. Others have let us down, Joe Sestak, my congresscritter is one of them.
But on the whole Howie has a pretty good track record.
In Howie we trust.
I’ll go upstairs after Donna. She’s wonderful..
did they say who was going to keynote in denver?
thers upstairs
Not yet.
There’s more negotiating and horse trading that goes on with regard to the convention schedule than in figuring out who should be the VP. It’ll be decided soon, but it’s not set yet.
Ah Peter.
Doncha remember that Nancy and Steny and the whole lot of them worked for Al to defeat the challenger, Donna? I don’t think they want to have Donna around let alone in a starring role. She’s much too threatening for them.
I don’t disagree with you though.
Btw, did anybody else relish the little campaign road rash, McInsane suddenly incurred today…
wag – LA Mayor Villagiarosa or Rick Noriega
Yeah, but now *Donna* is the incumbent that they feel obligated to protect. They may not like it, but she’s one of them now.
Bwahahahahaha . . .
whoops – Villaraigosa
Maybe the Nashville cops are achieving their goal — to kill all these “criminals.” I wouldn’t set foot in Nashville. The Sacramento sheriffs are bad enough.
Loved it. I pulled the YouTube of BO w/ the troops. Obama ought to dare McCain to play some ball with the troops. Can you picture McCain playing basketball with the troops? Good image for our side. Obama = young and athelic; McCain = old fart.
yup.
Kirk I am late to this post but I had read this article and
Thought Kirk would like to read it so: From Time magazine: http://www.time.com/time/magaz…..64,00.html
Just a little present from the Chemical & plastic Corps..
In NYC the Paramedics carry Versed. It is used in a variety of protocols: for sedation post intubation, to control continuous seizures when there is no intravenous access and for sedation of violent emotionally disturbed patients. The protocol for sedation is for 10 mg of Versed to be administered by intramuscular injection after consultation with an on-line medical control physician. After administration the patients vital sign must be assessed, cardiac monitoring begun and airway monitored and maintained and an intravenous line established. The patient must be transported to an emergency department to be monitored and assessed. The protocol was instituted after several incidents with conventional restraints that resulted in serious injury or death of the patient. The administration can only be done by the paramedics and the patient must be taken to the hospital.
The NYC Paramedics are some of the best trained in the country and are well equipped to handle medical emergencies. There was a lot of discussion about this particular protocol and problems that might be associated with it. I know that it has been used and that there has been no negative outcomes.
I do not profess to know what the Nashville protocols are but if there is a link to their regional medical advisory committee the protocol should be there. Here is the link to the NYC Advanced Life Support Protocols:
http://www.nycremsco.org/als.a…..ticleID=81
Be advised that it is a pdf file and the protocol for Emotionally Disturbed Patients is #530.
ah yes, I had that stuff. And yes, complete memory wipe of a couple hours. They aren’t kidding about the amnesia, it’s not “bad memory” it’s “blank”.
It is used in surgeries exactly for that reason. For example Cataract Surger where the patient is awake and the anesthetic is local. They will know everything that goes on but it will fade from memory shortly after the procedure.