First, from Elizabeth Edwards:
...Last week—when Tony was still alive and I was not so afraid—I rode my bicycle in a small Fourth of July parade at the beach to which we have gone for close to two decades. When I got to the celebration and stepped off the bicycle, an older man approached me. I hope you are doing well, he said, and then he added—oddly, it is more often the case that people do feel obliged to confess the gap between us—"although we don't agree on much of anything." I thanked him for his good wishes and then I added—as I often do—"and I suspect we agree on more than you think." He smiled, I smiled, and that was that. And then Tony died. And I thought more about the things on which we agree and the things on which we disagree. And as with my parade companion, I suspect Tony and I agreed on more things that we might have guessed.
We each chose to reach for something larger than the life and body with which we were saddled when we kept our course after the last diagnoses. We did it because we thought it was important and because (although it is chic to say that one detests politics) we actually loved the give and take it, the struggle to find what you think is right and the imperative to make others understand and agree. But what, in the end, does it tell us about what we each found to be really important? I am guessing it is not school vouchers or the expensing of stock options or class action lawsuits about salacious material in video games. It was that woman who stood with him years before and promised to love him in sickness and in health; it was those children, whose births marked the very best days of his life. And it isn't so different for any of us, is it? Not for the rich man or the poor man, for the Ethopian or the Thai or the Oregonian. So why do we have such trouble turning what we have in common into common cause? There will always be fault lines where we just disagree, but can't we find—maybe in our founding documents—the things on which we do agree and work from there instead of starting always, always perched as soldiers along those fault lines?...
And further, this from dday:
...My dad's in his fifth day of radiation treatments right now. He got the same type of cancer his father got, which is the same cancer his father's brother got, and I suspect it'll be the same cancer I'll get someday. There isn't an insurance agent, conservative activist or Republican politician alive who can tell me that they disagree with the imperative of keeping alive those who we have the ability to treat. It's an argument without a rebuttal, at least without one that is cruel or evil. And when we reach out, even to those political opponents, through common experience, and common cause - that's actually how we become a more progressive nation. We have a tremendous empathy deficit in America - the inability to stand in the shoes of our brothers and sisters. Edwards' expression of empathy is an object lesson.
When you face a conservative movement that is wholly dedicated to putting up roadblocks and turning off the spigot of empathy, making this a cruel and angry and paranoid and fearful nation, it can be hard not to fight back in the same manner. But I think, while engaging in the fight is fundamental to the survival of this democracy, occasionally we have to step back and recognize the human truths. Elizabeth Edwards is heroically battling on the front lines for reforming our broken health care system. But she hasn't forgotten that the issue goes beyond spreadsheets and mandates - it's about fathers dying young, sons without treatment for their ills, mothers who can't afford their pills. It's about healing. And you can only be on one side of that debate.
There's no calculation in these remarks. They are simply truths. It so happens that these truths, and the courage and bravery exhibited in saying them, are unquestionably progressive.
Now, beyond the obvious best wishes for both Elizabeth Edwards and dday and their family and friends and, frankly, for every one of our readers and writers who are also facing family and/or personal health battles, there looms a universal truth that doesn't get nearly enough discussion, and that is this:
At its roots, human behavior can come from a lot of motivations and end games. But we are all at our best when we remember to be humane. Because at its heart, compassion calls to the best in all of us.
We are strongest where we find common ground, rooted in the best of who we ought to be. And we don't spend nearly enough time contemplating ways to do just that. Perhaps that's because we all get so caught up in the day to day battles that we forget to look up and contemplate what we really, truly want the end result to be. But in order to get where we want to go in the end, we need to think about the end game -- and how we get there together.
So, let's talk a little compassion this morning, and try standing in someone else's shoes for a change. You might find the view a little enlightening. Pull up a chair...
(H/T to Digby. YouTube is a classic Coca-Cola commercial.)
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Good morning, Christy. It’s amazing how far just a little bit of compassion will take us. I hope you and yours are all doing well this lovely morning.
Morning Marion — we are doing very well this morning, thanks. Mercifully, the stomach flu bug that we were all dealing with last week has passed us by finally. Hallelujah! *g*
Christy, Good Morning and great post. Elizabeth Edwards is a remarkable woman and we all benefit from all she does. Would the coke commercial be as successsful today?
And, as a reminder gang, we’re doing some site work at the moment and have had to disable the “more comments” tag. So you’ll have to do a hard refresh (F5 for the PC users out there) to reload your page to see new comments. Sorry for the inconvenience…
mornin’ all.
Glad to hear the stomach flu is gone, Christy. I fought with that all winter.
The worst of it for us was that The Peanut had it early in the week, was over it by Tuesday, and then I got sick Tuesday night. All night. And then Mr. ReddHedd got sick — but The Peanut was feeling dandy by then, and running around and wanting to play. All we wanted to do was crawl in bed and pass out.
I swear, it’s as though kids know exactly how to time it… *g*
Glad you liked it. I thought the whole Elizabeth Edwards article was wonderful — it’s worth reading in its entirety. We don’t think about this aspect of who we are and who we want to be nearly enough, I don’t think. And that is to all of our detriment, really…
It’s fn-F5 for Mac users, but the refresh button on the browser seems to work too, at least on a Mac.
Take care of yourself! Yesterday for my 59th birthday, friends took me to the morning showing of “Mamma Mia” and I can’t recommend the movie enough. It was just plain old fashion fun.
oo, stomach flu. Just…nasty…stuff. Esp. with little guys. All you can do is try to keep fluids in and down. It’s pretty nice here in Upstate NY at the moment..I hear we will be ‘blessed’ with very hot weather this afternoon. If I work it right, I’ll go to the movies during the worst of it.
It looks really fun. Do you think it’s something a 5 year old would find fun, too, with all the singing? Have been wondering if it would be Peanut friendly? She loves Sound of Music…
Christy,
Speaking of working with people who aren’t exactly of the same opinion as one’s self, I watched Jane’s interview with Bob Barr yesterday on Glenn Greenwald’s site. He posted the Blogging Heads youtube. I enjoyed listening to and watching the interview. I still gag a bit watching and listening to Barr, no matter what he is saying, but I got through it and I hope he’ll be of help in our plight for keeping and regaining our Constitution.
Anyway, Jane invited him to visit here. Has he already done that? If not, do you know if an agreement has been struck for him to do so?
Thanks
NW Indiana has been similarly “blessed” this week, with temps in the 90s and high humidity — 3 “ozone action” days in a row here. Going outside from an air conditioned building is like walking into the bathroom after someone has taken a long steamy shower. And I know other parts of the country have been hotter recently, into the 100s, so I try not to complain.
Don’t know the answer to that one — but Jane would. *g* I know they both had fun doing that BloggingHeads. But I’m not certain what, if any, plans may have been made for any further efforts. We’ve all been running flat out the last few weeks on various projects, frankly, so I’m behind the curve on knowing what everyone else’s results have been the last week or so…
The theme is a little bit mature for a 5-year old. I saw the stage play a few years ago, and it’s fun, but IIRC it is all about a young woman planning her wedding and having to figure out which of her mother’s previous husbands is her father — her mother won’t tell. The music is fun, and the Peanut might not understand enough of the story line that you would have to explain, but there’s that chance.
Hmmmm…well, maybe we’ll save that one for her on video for later. *g* Thanks, Molly! She does love dancing around the house with momma to ABBA, but it sounds like the plot would be a little complicated for her at this point.
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Christy - I fully admit that I was NOT feeling a whole lot of compassion last night w/regard to the whole “McCain reveals Obama’s Iraq Trip” thing. To allow our compassion to really flow, I think we all have to think about consequences of what comes out of our mouths..and that very obviously did not happen with Mr. McCain.
I actually thought that younger children might love the dancing and music. Normally I will glance at my watch at least once during a movie but since this was so fast paced, I didn’t. I’m not sure what rating it received but besides a butt scene, there isn’t any nudity. She might ask you why Sophie has three fathers but the other suggestive remarks are over her head, imo. She would definitely enjoy this on video. My sons were pretty young when they saw “Footloose” and they didn’t understand the suggestive scenes but loved the dancing and music. It was a favorite of theirs for years. I have to admit though going with a couple of other crazy gals was fun and we lot our inhibitions go and sang a few tunes.
Ah, seems as though Ms Molly mentioned the three fathers before I could finish typing. That’s the one area that a five year old might question.
One more thing about “Mamma Mia, don’t go with a critic’s eye because that would dilute the fun.
My young granddaughters, the youngest is the Peanut’s age, are crazy about High School Musical(s). Endlessly. You might try those - lots of good dancing music!
That sounds like a fun movie night with your pals. *g*
She’s just now getting into the Hannah Montana phase, so I bet she would like High Schoool Musical, too.
I believe that the thing that differentiates people is how they react to the things that make us the same.
Everyone (well at least most people) love their families and place them first.
Some react to the threats against their family, real or imagined, by looking out for #1, hardening their hearts to the suffering of others. Some project those threats onto others. And some, truly wonderful people have the strength to help themselves by making the world a better place for all.
In my own life I saw my father react to my mother’s initial cancer, the threat of raising 3 children alone and lengthy complications by increasing conservatism. My mother survived the cancer, but was physically limited by surgery and the after-effects of experimental high dosage radiation which ultimately claimed her 25 years later. Later in life, confronted with the destructive nonsense of Republican policies, he began to recant. (My father had his flaws, but stupidity was not one of them).
My respect for the Edwards family is informed by these experiences. They are truly marvelous individuals.
Since I live in GA, I would have to read the interview later. I would be to tempted to comment and it would be difficult to be polite to our guest.
Kind of like inviting Newt Gingrich over for tea? *g*
Speaking compassion, I’d like to think that it’s just a natural part of most of us. That’s why I’m having such trouble understanding today’s repub party. Not to over-simplify complex issues but they just seem so mean-spirtited. Voting against SCHIP, Veteran’s healthcare, torture, Salary raises for the military, medicare fees to doctors, putting a firm deadline for seniors applying for medicare RX plans, Immigrants…….
They’ve become a bunch of nasty, contrary S.O.B.’s
Thanks Christy. Lovely as always.
i love Elizabeth Edwards,But Tony Snow ,was a high paid Liar,i cant forgive,how many went to their graves,in horrible suffering for the LIES OF WAR.many little babies children beloved pets…all for lies,dirty lies people like him perpetuate LIES and DEATH…horrible misery
Our family saw WALL-E last night.
Mrs Mack was hesitant. After 8 years of kid appropriate entertainment we have begun to stretch the boundries to enjoy some more mature movies together…various martial arts and some comedies with jokes the little one doesn’t get.
So, Mrs Mack really wanted to see The Dark Knight and Little Mack really wanted to see WALL-E.
Little Mack’s tears prevailed and we all thoroughly enjoyed WALL-E
(Mrs Mack and I will see The Dark Knight as a date ;)
Newt’s goons threw eggs at me when I was holding a sign for an opponent once. So he could come over for tea and believe me I wouldn’t be serving deviled eggs. Since it’s Saturday morning, it’s also time to congratulate you and Jane for developing a site that not only promotes activism but produces results. I’m in awe of both you. Good job and thanks.
Christy -
Let me start with an excerpt from your post:
“Because at its heart, compassion calls to the best in all of us.
We are strongest where we find common ground, rooted in the best of who we ought to be.”
I would like to respond by quoting from the concluding paragraph of a January 18, 1840 letter written by one of my ancestors, Joseph Parrish, M.D. (1779-1840):
“Surely the sword of discord must not devour forever. The time has come for strife and bitter recrimination to cease. Then a happy day may dawn, when the representatives of a great nation will calmly survey a common danger, and in the spirit of conciliation and brotherhood will unite their energies for a common good.”
Sigh. I’ll have to now admit something. I actually LIKE things like WALL-E; I went with my 21 year old son(he’s a animation afficianado - anything that is animated is due for a visit)and we both had a hoot.
mornin’ christy and pups. almost time for the local radio show, so, will post comment and be back in an hour…sorry written so scattered and quickly on something that is so deeply felt by me, but don’t want to miss the show.
way back in middle school, when i was reading every indian/native american book i could get my hands on-which was a lot cuz i worked in the library and the librarian would order stuff that i liked, that others would like, too, something hit me hard and stayed with me.
they used a phrase similar to ’human being’ as a compliment….there were other things in my life that illustrated the na’s ways that were similar in my life, among them the methodist mission-henderson settlement in kentucky where i volunteered summer of the eighth grade……..i then realized that the highest compliment i could pay to someone would be to say ’they are a fine human being’..and compassion would be one of the biggest components in this in order to do the other things that illustrate this higher self way of being.
i also had been around a lot of cemetaries, old and new.
i told myself i wanted that on my headstone. she was a fine human being, that i would work to aspire to that….i thought that kinda said it all. what kind of person you were.
so, when i wish to compliment someone, i say they are a fine human being, to me, no higher compliment.
christy, you are a fine human being. without a doubt.
bbl
post script,i might have felt compassion for Snow,or Tim Russert,if only ONCE ,they stated THEIR compassion,for the millions killed by this country fo ABSOLUTELY no reason what so ever
What a blessing it is to read this this morning.
AO Scott had a blast writing the review of Mamma Mia! in the NYTimes. Yeah, he scoffed — but had to admit it was fun.
Our kids grew up on show tunes — there’s not a musical, I think, that they can’t sing the words to. We did a lot of sing along in the car too — but with a Dad who sings a response to every single comment you make, I guess it was inevitable. It’s been fun, though.
And thanks for reminding us that empathy is the most important thing.
beautifully stated….a song from South Pacific sings it beautifully,”Youve Got To Be Taught”
Elizabeth Edwards could find sunshine at midnight, she is a wonderful human being. She was the reason that this household worked for Edwards.
i do believe the nation is tired of war,the war presidency and the Republican party…thank goodness and good riddance
This is a nice post, Christy. I had never read any of Elizabeth Edwards’ writing, but should have known it would be beautiful. I’ll, do my best to summon compassion. It used to be easy and natural. But that was before Lee Atwater and all of his followers, including Tony Snow, turned the whole concept of sympathy, or even empathy, into something weak and dispicable. I’m not sure that even so fine a person as Elizabeth Edwards could have written a similar eulogy for Jesse Helms. But she is right, and you a right, and I’ll try harder.
i think this is what she’s trying to say
this song brings a rush of emotion from my deepest core and always makes me cry in a good way. cleansing.
james taylor-shower the people acoustic version from ’88 in boston
insightful and soft and tender and thoughtful
it heals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QwFp_UmX8s
Sadly I must agree.
And to veer slightly OT although all things are relative. This is huge and “little noticed” http://rawstory.com//news/2008....._0717.html
Also the filing of a RICO action in Ohio w/ Rove as a witness.
Mornin’, Christy, pups
I wish I could find the exact piece but Gandhi wrote of an incident that occurred in his early years in South Africa. He was set upon by a group of young whites and roughed up quite a bit. The youths were arrested and Gandhi declined to press charges, instead giving the young men a lecture in compassion and the diversity of humans. Two of those young men joined Gandhi and became his lifelong friends.
We need not only to walk in the moccasins of others we need also to view the world through their eyes.
The one thing that bothers me most about the Reagan legacy is the stripping away of the concept of caring for others, the “individual” as king meme, and the “take no prisoners” attitude in the quest for wealth. That legacy has made us what the rest of the world sees today.
Courageous people like Elizabeth Edwards will do much to destroy that legacy and return us to a truly compassionate society, where acts of kindness are a way of life, not something to be noted as different.
Namaste
Good morning Christy and pups. So happy to hear you are feeling better, Christy.
Can I be the first to report that the Firedog meet up in Austin last night was a dream. David, Blue Texan, Pach, Marcy, Watertiger, Loohoo, wangdangdoodle, Texasbetsy (adorable by the way and absolutely charming) thingscomeundone, echan, Althespook and NDFG, LS. I know I’m leaving some out but it is early here and I am still fuzzy. There was excellent Mexican food and beverages and we took over a very large part of the patio and held forth for hours. The weather was perfect. It. Was. Wonderful. Almost too much for a poor country firepup to bear.
Firedoglake provides us all a place to share our thoughts and common goals. What it can not provide, unfortunately is the irreplaceable one on one, eye to eye exchange a social animal craves. Last night, through Firedoglake, Cbl and I were able to meet and talk with many people whose written words we have enjoyed so much over the last several years. As I do most of the time at the ‘lake I mostly listened to the myriad conversations going on all around me. It was a comment thread live in person and was a bigger treat than I have words to explain.
Oh yeah, for the record, David is more amazing in person than he is in print, and Pach and Marcy are really, really smart. (wow)
I’ll see your confession and raise.
I actually cried at the end.
It is bad enough that my heartstrings can be pulled by the most transparent Hollywood devices, but when those devices are employed in an animation about love among robots…
this was what was left of Berlin,when the Fascists were finally stopped
http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/fi.....llsize.jpg
i hope we have learned a thing or 2 from history,befor we suffer the same fate
I wonder if that’s the same D-Day I know online and have encountered? If so, then I have nothing nice to say about him. Arrogant jerk comes to mind. Sorry, but I am a head-on kind of person and have to speak my truth at times.
That said…
We all know someone who has gone through or is going through cancer. My friend Kate had breast cancer and her and I spent the whole year laughing together. We swear it’s (the sarcastic humor) what cured her. ;-)
Her body is now ravaged from having her breast surgeries (she had the one where the doctors take the fat from the abdomen to create a breast…she has Frankenstein scars and only one nipple now), but she’s alive and we’re all thankful for that. Kate is a giver and always has been. Every minute of her life has been about doing the right thing…and she has.
Which brings me to Tony Snow….had Tony decided to speak the truth rather than cover up the crimes of the Bush Regime, his struggle with cancer and his death would have hit me differently. Many trolls came to my blog to tell me that I am inhumane for not falling over and crying about Snow’s death. What the hell!
Even though I was never an Edwards supporter, should Elizabeth Edwards lose her battle with cancer, it would be a sad, sad day. Anyone who speaks truth to power and stands their ground without flinching as Elizabeth had to do many times over in her life…gets an A+. Had she decided to be like John McCain by refusing to say a negative word about the Bush Regime, well, I would not have been happy about it. We’re all going to die someday and it’s our lives we’ve led and the person we were that will rain down on those left behind. Let’s not embarrass them. LOL
To have compassion for others(even people who you do not agree with and perhaps oppose) requires, I think, that we see other people as human, not things. Martin Buber wrote a book about this entire issue, “I and Thou”. His point was that when we turn other people into ‘things’, then it becomes very easy to demonize others, attack others, oppress others. The whole tool set which is brought out to go after anyone who is progressive or democratic or not white or whatever…does appear to be filled with this strategy to turn people(such as Michelle Obama, Hillary Clinton, people who are not Christian, etc.)into things.
Many years ago I saw “Starman,” a movie about an alien (Jeff Bridges) who gets stranded on Earth. An otherwise so-so movie, but there is a great line in it uttered by Bridges that I’ll never forget:
“You are at your best when things are at their worst.”
Peace.
Anyone can rail about others’ lack of compassion.
But to effect change, we must have compassion for those who do not.
In most cases, their failings are evidence of weakness and fear.
We must be the change we wish to see.
So glad y’all had so much fun last night. Wish I could have been there in person but, alas, life conspired against me this year. Between the in-law hospitalizations and the stomach flu, we just couldn’t make the trip to Austin work. One of these days, though, I’ll get out your way…
And I’m so very glad that it was fun for everyone. That’s really the best part about these gatherings, getting to put faces and voices to all the names. :)
A Beautiful Good Morning to you Christy.
p.s., site work is always welcome. pretty much, we’re amenable to anything and everything that preserves the servers, lures the lurkers and, most especially, makes merry our meritorious moderators. ;->
lack of compassion is ONE THING,continuing to SUPPORT,trumpet lies rumor mongering ,inciting others to murder and kill(Iran war mongering comes to mind) is beyond lack of empathy.It is INCITING murder and anhilation imo
yes but RETIRE the dangerous in our midst
and that is why i live amongst the most compassionate…the furry lovelies “g”
‘Morning, Christy. We’re missing you fiercely at Netroots Nation. Hope everybody in your household is perking along soon.
A shout-out to Firepups, too, wish you could all be here. I missed out on the dinner with the Firepups who made it here last night, hope there are many Texas tall tales they will tell me today about last night’s festivities.
“You are at your best when things are at their worst.”
my definition of a hero
NPR doing an Austin spot on Network Nat. Saying the Dems more accomplished. Right needs “to play catch up.” Dems. in the lead, not wanting to help the Repub. get up to speed. Nice piece. Good Morning all.
Which is why pulling up an EMPTY chair is not so easy!
Missing you guys, too, Rayne. SIGH But it couldn’t be helped this year, I’m afraid. It’s been one thing after another the last few weeks.
Do tell everyone howdy for me, would you?
Missed you something fierce last night. Much fun was had by all.
I am not without anger, believe me.
My point is directed more at realizing what enables others to not see the evil the same way I do.
I cannot help bring about change by withdrawing into a safe environment.
But, but, but Christy..how would we get ‘Pull up a chair’ if you were at Netroots? Not all of us can be at Netroots - we have to keep the Lake stirred up while the others are away.
I posted from YKos last year. They do have internets in many places now, you know. *G*
At least we are almost done with the Compassionate Conservative himself. I can’t handle much more of his compassion.
I could not get on FDL yesterday afternoon or evening. Is Ted Stevens mucking up the tubes again?
Your post really strikes a chord with me, Christy.
I have been miserably depressed for some time now stewing in confusion, behavior degree notwithstanding, over our own administration’s rampant proactive viciousness and greed, the lack of compassion, nor any hint of simple understanding for those less fortunate, indeed horribly suffering in the world.
I do not understand. To my core, it is an absolute mystery how human beings with presumably a relatively comfortable and “normal” upbringing can act out in such an evil manner. Why are they driven blindly to strike out at everyone and everything in this manner? Why do they have such a desperate urge to wreak destruction on this fragile earth, seemingly with no fear for their own children’s future? How much “loot” would it take to satisfy their lust for wealth? How much pain in others would it take to satisfy their mania for striking out at others without a hint of conscience or restraint?
I weep for them also, for they are surely deathly ill deep in their souls.
Then you and Elizabeth Edwards lift me up.
Thank you.
i disagree,we can continue to engage peeps in small parries,and speak,and listen,and agree,and disagree,and just exist to EXCHANGE ideas
Whoa, as a test to my compassion, I just read that Rev.Moon’s helicopter crashed in S.Korea. They say he has minor injuries. Not sure if they’re telling the truth on that.
Here’s the link:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories.....5087.shtml
Bush is amoral, and can’t grasp the notion of empathy. When I think of Elizabeth, I think of her appearance on NewsHour discussing the proverb, the mustard seed. Hopefully the Health Care bill will be named for her.
omg! confession time here. my 1st reaction to “minor injuries” was DANG!
*blush*
funny you mention this…there is NOT A WORD of outrage from the clergy…on WAR death and genocide of a peoples
silenceis deafening, more same old same old
I’m not that compassionate to link to the article. Sorry.
Good morning doggies, and thank you for a moving post this morning Christy. Glad to hear the creeping crud has finally left the Smith household. 40 days until the college football season begins!
i think many people ARE waiting to hear from their clergy,before they commit to the ANTIWAR movement
I passed through Austin yesterday, but couldn’t stop for anything. The Netroots Nation activities must really be enthralling, based on the fact that no one has even mentioned the most salient fact about Texas in mid July.
Hi Christy: I was also not able to make it to Netroots Nation this year-I really enjoyed Chicago last year. The FDL breakfast was great. Sorry I missed the Mexican food this year. Hope you and you family are feeling better.
I know your theme for this post is compassion and I agree that Elizabeth Edwards’ amazing grace is inspirational. It’s difficult, however, to be compassionate when the target of your compassion has seriously wronged you. That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be compassionate anyway.
One of the more unfortunate byproducts of the hyperpolarized political era of the last 20 years is the terrible incivility that has erupted. Political disagreements have taken on an aura of overt warfare. There just isn’t any sense of the common good. We on the left are perceived by the right to be just as much an enemy as the trrsts. It’s difficult to be compassionate towards those who have hijacked the country and show absolutely no remorse about the damage that they have done.
Until I hear the words “I’m sorry” or “I was wrong..” then warfare is what it will be and compassion will be one of its unfortunate victims.
Not true. There have been a number of denominations and individual clergy members who have spoken out about it, including the Catholic church before we ever went into Iraq. Honestly, before you throw out something that sweeping, you really ought to check your facts. or, in the alternative, provide a link to where you are getting something that is that off the mark. Peterr can speak more specifically on that as can RevDeb if she were here, but both of them are church leaders and how do you think they feel about it?
and the ONWARD march to war in Iran…and the whore media continue the drumbeat to MORE WARand death blood lust
i have NOT seen the clergy en masse in this country decry war,in my own parish WAR is as popular as ever,not one sermon against it.this WAR was ILLEGAL as wellas IMMORAL……wheres the outrage of the clergy
but the Pope of all things decrys Pop Culture..(loves his Gucci sunglasses,and Prada shoes though)
http://story.malaysiasun.com/i.....3252/cs/1/
anger doesn’t block compassion, anger is a passion.
bitterness blocks compassion.
i see/hear a bitter comment and i know that therein lies a compassion issue.
that person won’t be displaying it in a manner of ways.
i don’t think anyone can be 100% compassionate, but it will affect our lives in the areas in which we don’t display it.
so it’s good to know where your areas are lacking, cuz it will hold you back.
is a great indicator of things we each need to deal with in our lives in order to heal.
Thank you for that. And Jim Wallis writes and talks on the subject. I think that the Methodists, as the denomination, have taken a firm stance. There are others, esp. the United Church of Christ. I have wished, however, that there positions were more visible and “noisy”.
howzabout…FULL PAGE ADS in NYT,WAPO,USA Toady….the war was a lie
During the Vietnam War, Father Drinan was a vocal opponent but he was also given a platform to speak which is sorely lacking today in our media. The problem with sweeping comments is that it disavows those who do speak out.
Is Toady a magazine or newspaper?
compassion for the afflicted,……or those sorry for their ignorance,or warmongering
Are there any good photos of the Firedogs at NRN? All I see are Kossacks…
USA Today is a daily newspaper
You know, I get that you are an angry person this morning, but (a) this thread is designed as a break from the cranky every Saturday morning for everyone because most of us need to have a breather from the crap and (b) you are fully capable of googling this and ascertaining whether you are correct or incorrect.
Here’s a start for you — ut I’m not doing your research for you, since I’d rather spend my time hanging out with The Peanut and talking about something more cheerful, thanks:
– Catholic paper on Pope John Paul’s opposition to the Iraq war
– Methodist church’s public statements here and here. And here’s a public statement made by one of it’s leading clergy on torture.
– Church of Christ has been doing an annual prayer for peace vigil.
And there is a LOT more. You just have to be looking for it. The Google — it’s nifty.
With the exception of the Quakers and a few individuals, the Rev Dr Jeremiah Wright, RevDeb, and RevBev come immediately to mind, the so-called Christians in our country should be ashamed of themselves. They appear to have forsaken the words of their prophet and embraced the gods of wealth, power and influence.
Since its founding out of vigils held by the Quakers in the latter part of 2002 St Pete For Peace has been joined by two clergymen and a smattering of those describing themselves as practicing Christians.
Gotta jump in. Drinan was told by the popey in chief that he could no longer remain in political office. Can’t have common sense and compassion from an organization that loves to torture and steal from the poor.
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Toady unfortunately,IS our media toda….sorry had hand surgery this week
i am angry because these people are given heros accolades….what kind of lesson is that to OUR CHILDREN…just more BS hero lies
ive tried to assimilate in my new community,but it is just fire and brimstone from the pulpit,and all agree pretty much
(((hug)))
and that is the whole p-oint im getting at………..why do i have to look for it with a SEARCH engine….it should be ubiquitous,as the 10 commandments…thall shall not kill