The only nation that can destroy America is America, and never let it be said Americans don’t have a can-do attitude.
I read this article by my old co-blogger Barry Ritholz and I laughed, and laughed and damn near cried:
There is a choice to be made: Either we regulate the Banks, or leave it to the vagaries of the free markets to punish those who trade with, or place their assets in the wrong institutions. But for God’s sake, do not give us the worst of both worlds — do not allow banks the freedom to make horrific but preventable mistakes (i.e., only lending money to those who can pay it back), but then expect the taxpayers to foot the trillion dollar bill.
That’s not capitalism, its not socialism, its not regulation, and its sure as hell isn’t what free markets are. Our language is insufficient to describe this hodge-podge system, other than to call it a random patchwork of quasi-capitalism, quadrennial-socialism, and politics as usual. Ideological idiocy is the only phrase I can muster that has any resonance with the daily insanity.
We have entered into a fit of Orwellian madness: The American Capitalists, long the globe’s leading advocates for free markets, have become near Socialists.
I don’t think it’s too hard to explain. Ideology is part of it, but the folks from the Chicago school were always the useful idiots of the movement, so caught up in the beauty of their pretty models and meaningless numbers that they never noticed that the models didn’t correspond to the real world in any meaningful way. Rather what happened was simple enough—there was a lot of money to be made by getting rid of regulation of financial institutions, privatizing government operations, offshoring production and engaging in various highly leveraged financial games with no oversight.
So the money spigots were turned on, the politicians were bought, and the rules were changed. This was possible simply because the people who lived through the Great Depression were mostly gone, so the folks who knew why the rules were there and understood that they were meant to stop a repeat, couldn’t stop their repeal. Since almost no one learns from anything other than swift kick to the nads, and since politicians are required to be greedy in order to be successful in the US, gravity took its course. Crony capitalism, where profits are privatized, losses are socialized and rules are made to go away if they interfere with the bottom line and are created if they help it, took over the US.
What was hilarious about it was all the lecturing of every other country about transparency when even back in the 90s it was widely known by those who cared to know that corporations were cooking the books on a large scale (about 10% more profits were reported in the 80s than the economy could support, about 20% more in the 90s). And that’s before we get to the government cooking the books on statistics like inflation.
So Barry’s absolutely right when he notes:
Books will be written about this period of time, and our descendants will wonder in awe as to how this was allowed to happen. Tulips got nothing on us! Its not just the total dollar value of the losses that have exceeded all other global fits of financial madness combined, but rather, how so many warning signs were so blithely ignored by so many and for so long. What was wrong with these people, the authors and historians will wonder. Did the antibiotics in the food supply drive them mad? Did the High Fructose Corn Syrup compromise their ability to think? Some form of viral plague? Roid rage? What else could have created such a mass delusion amongst not just the populace, but their leadership and institutions?
Of course, it won’t just be about a financial disaster, it will be about the loss of huge amounts of land to global warming, the food crisis we are unleashing, the lack of drinkable water, the hundreds of millions (conservative estimate) of deaths caused by environmental changes. But it’ll all start with our own financial meltdown, larger than any other financial clusterfuck in history.
There are two ways to become really really famous, they say. You can do something really really amazing. Or you can really, really fuck up. I guess we chose #2. Easier.
As Barry points out, what makes this so surreal is the bullshit that is flying around:
Indy Mac goes belly up, having lost $900 million this year alone. Its shares fell 87% in 2007 and then its value dropped (on top of last year’s collapse) another 95% this year-to-date. The stock fell to 28 cents yesterday. Some estimates of the total bad loans made by this somewhere in the neighborhood of $30 billion dollars — and the Office of Thrift Supervision blames a senator who is investigating how much of the FDIC’s $53 Billion this is going to eat up, with Wall Street estimates ranging from 15% to 30%. The towering incompetence of OTS is incomprehendable, but it is their colossal gall that is truly stupefying.
This is "Heckuva Job" level competence at the OTS, in other words. But it’s all "heckuva job" level competence. Virtually everyone in the entire regulatory and political system has been complicit at best and actively malign at worst. The best of the worst were the Chicago School fools, the neo-liberals and the Washington Consensus killers (and I do mean killers, look at how many people died in Russia due to their ideologically driven ineptitude). At least they believed they were doing the right thing. The worst were the men and women who cycled between regulatory bodies and industry, reaping huge salaries and bonuses which will make them rich for life; men and women with no real moral compass or purpose beyond the pursuit of money and power and to hell with anyone who gets hurt in the process.
They did great by all of this. At worst they’re multi-millionares. Millions of Americans will lose their houses and live on the street. Thousands, tens of thousands will die because of this. We’re looking at the real possibility of a Great Depression and a huge decline in real living standards for the population, something not seen in the US in almost 70 years. But people like Greenspan whose ideologically driven malign incompetence and refusal to do their fucking jobs properly created this problem will be just fine.
So, to recap. What’s happening was completely predictable, because it was predicted. It was caused by greed and ideological driven dismantling of the regulatory framework set up by the New Deal, and the solid refusal by those whose job it was to run the regulatory system to do so even when it was their duty. It was aided and abetted by a money feedback loop between legally corrupt legislators and those who wanted to no longer be regulated and it was allowed by a population who had grown fat and happy and forgotten the lessons of the Great Depression.
Welcome to the new America. Made in America. By Americans. And high fructose corn syrup.
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- FDL Book Salon Welcomes Jonathan Tasini, “The Audacity of Greed: Free Markets, Corporate Thieves and the Looting of America”
- Putting America Back to Work: What a Principled Government Would Do
- Kickoff to Financial Regulatory Reform
- Superfusion: How China and America Became One Economy





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Aloha, Ian!
duce
ian!
Ideological Insanity is right, and, never forget the Mantra you coined, Ian: “Privatize the profits, Socialize the losses…”
Dude, yer killin’ me.
All too often, I find myself leaning toward “actively malign” in this situation.
Katrina happened. BushCo didn’t create it, nor did they do much to deal with it as it approached, nor did they help much once it blew through — but they didn’t create it.
The subprime lending mess, the outsourcing debacles, and the lack of any meaningful oversight of any market operations at all, OTOH . . .
I can hear the WH wingnuts now: “Duty? What is this “duty” thing of which you speak?”
Ian, are you some sort of economist or what? What kinda cred you got?
None. I’m just an autodidact. All the cred I have is based on my writing.
Wasn’t it Chuck Schumer they tried to pin IndyMac’s demise on…?
Ian: thanks for writing about margolis. Didn’t know him. Checked out his site today and went through the archive. Not all the way through. But thanks for that.
i found this by clicking ian’s name on this post:
Workers of the world unite! All you have to lose are your chains!
Evening all. It is starting to feel like time for pitchforks and torches. Anybody got a used guillotine handy?
metaphorically speaking, of course
Well, I have always had a basic question about fundage generation as opposed to redistribution of wealth.
Can a new stream of wealth or fundage be created, or does one have to steal market share from another?
OK start Digging Pups!
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dugg and thanks for opening it nahanter
Dugg!
Great post, Ian. I’ll go back and read it more slowly.
Off topic does anyone know when TedFest ends? In case anyone is interested here is a link to my EPU’d latest entry (a work in progress, or is that anti-progress) “Hurl: For Ted Stevens“
I hope that link works, I’m not sure how to do that
Now back to your regularly scheduled topic
Have to agree that much of it is actively malign. This is the result of conscious efforts by members of our financial elites to loot the system. I do not think that they deliberately set out to destroy the system, but from what I have seen they are generally dumb as rocks (see “Chimperator” for instance). We can see what has been happening in the growing wealth disparity in this country, which now approximates that of a third world country. It was a deliberate collaboration between the very wealthy, their handmaidens in government, and the willing tools like the Chicago School economists.
Yes, and that’s why Chris Dodd and Barney Frank won’t be talking much about the Next Bad Thing. When the regulators accuse the oversighters of taking down the institutions the regulators are supposed to regulate, their won’t be much oversight — and even less public warning of the Next Bad Thing.
comments are kept open on all fdl posts for 24 hours so entries will be accepted until the thread closes at 6pm tomorrow pacific
Dugg, nahant
What if anything have you concluded about the technical irregularities last night, or does your WARNING tell us all we need to know?
Thanks Suz
Do you know if we will be voting or is it all decided by judges, like the 2000 presidential election? *g*
That can be the only explanation for why Franks and Dodd were soft peddling Freddie and Fannie’s impending demise…!
Oh, so he’s one of those foreign types? I’ve heard of those.
;>)
Kidding, of course…IMO, this has been planned for a long time, and the beauty of the con this time around is that there isn’t any ready-made class traitor-cum-demagogue like FDR to step in and negotiate a way out of the Abyss – The poor will get poorer, the rich will stay richer, and the rest of the world can learn to cope.
i think et laid out the process in the first tedfest post
hey db
Just missed it by this much, Chief!
Interesting that you are talking “bank regulation” when just today the VP of the American Division of UBS quit from the top financial advisor post of the McCampaign. Seems Senator Gramm had called Americans “whiners” for suffering in the economic recession! But the real rationale may be that his bank is about to implode with American scandals.
First off,
http://www.boston.com/business…..etaliated/ ">A UBS Broker claimed he was fired for whistleblowing about intentional sales to local governments nearly worthless bonds. Hundreds of millions were put into financial instruments which the broker asserts were known to be insecure and would only benefit the bank.
Of course, Gramm was the VP of American Operations and certainly would have known about these…and the firing of the witness.
Then, just yesterday it was revealed in Leahy’s Senate Committee on Banking and Commerce that UBS actively solicited and conspired with over 20,000 of the wealthiest Americans to evade their taxes by sheltering more than $18 billion in Liechtenstein. Money was taken out as personal withdrawals in small amounts (note that the average sum deposit was ultimately over $100K) to evade reporting requirements, secret code names were used to conceal the source, transactions were made by courier oand clients were advised to make inquiries from public phones to a set of special cell phones.
Not only does this likely violate tax laws, but it also violates the anti-laundering regulations established to restrict both narcotics dealers and terrorists.
UBS Helped Nearly 20,000 Rich Americans Illicitly Avoid Taxes
Given the fact that Cindy McCain is so secretive about her tax reports, and that Gramm was a long-time friend of the McCains…and that as VP of the American Division of UBS he was likely responsible for the agressive seeking out of “appropriate” millionaires and billionaires to shelter their assets…that Cindy herself may have made use of such shelters.
It would explain her extraordinary no-fee credit card charges, after all.
fingers and toes crossed there is an indictment in gramm’s future
You can create new forms of wealth, yes. Happens all the time. Of course, sometimes it’s easier to take pie from someone else.
that is one cracker I would like to see crumble
Well, not just an autodidact, an autodidact with an uncanny ability to nutshell-ize an unprecedented moment in US, nay world, history. Thank you for this, Ian.
Couple questions:
1 – During the Reagan administration I first got the idea that what we have now come to regard as the Permanent Republican Majority effort was at heart an attempt to rescind the 60’s. It wasn’t until the GHWBush administration that I grasped that it was actually much bigger than that, it really was about rescinding the New Deal and recapturing for the American aristocracy all the wealth that the middle classes had managed to accumulate since that time. Class struggle, in short. This is huge. My question is: Why in the world doesn’t the meme “They’re undoing the New Deal” seem to have any power for the public? Has the US truly become that ahistorical?
2 – I seem to recall hearing early this year that Senator Obama has some sort of background experience linked to the Chicago School, but I haven’t seen any good documentation about that, so I’m neutral. But your post reminds me that I want to know for sure. Does anyone here have any information on whether that’s so, and if so, how strong the connection is?
Of course. I only want to chop off their heads financially (raise the maximum tax brackey rate to 50% on income exceeding $150K, 100% inheritance tax on everything over $10 million and 50% on everything over $5 million)
Today is the last day for entries. Winners will be announced Monday at 9PM.
Probably. Small chance of change, but I don’t think it will, barring server outages or some such.
Ian, there is a very real reason I ask this question. Churches oppose casinos because instead of praying shit will get better, folks take their tithes and play some different odds. Oil execs compete with wind farms over energy dollars (tax incentives). Is there a true original money generator, wholesale, retail or tax break, that offers no harm to others. Is the real financial pie a finite and absolute configuration?
This, in essence, is the political answer to “win win” solutions that do not harm the politically connected donor class.
I would need some encouraging to believe this. Can you cite examples?
Most people don’t really remember the New Deal anymore. Even 20 years ago saying that would have been death, not anymore. The New Deal has just always been there, at least the visible parts like SS. People don’t remember never being without it.
Obama’s folks are Chicago school, but not Friedmanites. They’re still pretty “free market” and their policies reflect that, however. But they are willing to engage in some progressive taxation, etc… I think they’re slightly worse than Hilary’s were, but bound to be a ton better than McCain’s, of course. (I’ve despised Fiorina for years).
Everything seems to be a zero sum game, winners and losers. If Senator Obama is to be a “Post Partisan President” this case will be mandatory. How is it done?
Excellent post. To paraphrase an earlier comment, you give us a precis of the GOP/corporate alliance in five hundred words. Fighting that is one thing that motivates and binds progressives. It’s one thing that makes us fearful that a new Democratic President will use us to win office, but leave us at the altar — or the bedside — without the ring or the right tip.
The progressive agenda would upset a lot of applecarts. It’s a varied program that promotes the interests of those who buy in the marketplace, not those who sell in it. It would upset all the Villagers and eviscerate the modern GOP. It would scare the toupees off corporate media, and frighten the Democratic machine more than having their lobbyists disclose their in-kind contributions.
Is fighting this form of “capitalism” worth it? Only if you’re not a vice president, CEO or head of a political party. What do we need to start? You Gotta Have Friends. What made Mr. Smith and John Doe, Mr. Chips and George Bailey — and those who made their films — successful? Friends and neighbors sharing a community and a future. Defiance, not fear. Hope, a sense of proportion and personal responsibility. And a lot of work.
The President claims he’s a bidnessman and an optimistic guy. He thinks his job is to sell, regardless of what’s inside the bottle or whether it matches what’s on the label. That’s not statesmanship or good business practice and we all know it. He’s selling snake oil and fear, and a faux security meant to keep us complacent, not safe. We can do better, but not without each other. Let’s start by kicking the bums out.
Good question. I didn’t find anything yet… seems everyone is mum about it.. will keep looking… but the warning is appropriate as we know they got carte blance to wiretap with NO oversight at all. None Nada zip.. So it behooves you to not say or do anything electronically that you wouldn’t want George or his henchmen to know about!!
What? Cell phones. Internet. Wireless. Digital. Go back every decade and look at the new things that were created. Control for inflation, look at the economy growing faster than population growth – more surplus wealth being created every generation for a couple centuries now (with a couple hiatuses). Without creating new products, take an old product some place it’s never been (happening all through China and India). Etc… Economic growth is common.
Of course, the way you do things is try and make sure that you use the old part of the pie to buy the new growing part as well.
I do know we weren’t the only ones to notice the toobz strangeness… What I didn’t like was the mis direction of addresses to the wrong web sites and if that can be done at will they can disrupt all of our network connections…
Real wealth is created when more “stuff” is produced with the same number of people and/or other inputs (such as energy). That’s it, that’s all. You can measure it as labor productivity, you can measure it in energy, you can measure it in capital. When you get more x/y over the entire economy, the economy has grown. Once it grows, figure out who gets what part of the pie.
Capitalism is a great system, with limits. Free markets cannot guarantee themselves, they can only be guaranteed by a system that is not part of the free market.
Mahalo, C’ape…! Fascinating read… I remain skeptical as is Sen. Levin…
Off topic again briefly, asked earlier but didn’t see a response (may have missed it), anyone know if KO is going to be rebroadcast tonight and if so when? (their Friday schedule appears to be different than M-TH)
On the other hand, these new inventions do in fact displace other products and their producers. The computer killed typewriters for instance.
Due in part to the deliberate massive and long-term defunding of public education, I might add.
Thanks also for a little info on Obama/Chicago School. Anything else anyone has would be welcome.
neuro, as far as i know, its penal porn all night :( no repeats :( :(
grrrrrr
thanks, suz
OK, so did anybody see Countdown? What did I miss?
Bill Moyers tonight, anyone? This is what Cleveland looks like now. 1,000 houses in my neighborhood in foreclosure. And I’m in a good neighborhood. Shaker Heights, once a most exclusive neighborhood in the country, over 500 homes in fc.
Except manufacturing doesn’t happen in the US any more in the way it once did. No cell phones are made here. No TVs even.
Great post Ian and the Margolis quotes so good. How does the market gain 500 points in two days with all the negative fundamentals. Is it the charters ruling?
Disaster capitalism in the Cone of South America, Russia, Poland and other spots where the Chicago Boys privatized the public assests have millions of people going “but that’s not they told us to do” or was it?
Friedman’s apostles seem to get more creative all the time.
penal porn???
Sounds kinkier than rightwing vampire fetish lingerie porn.
Rebroadcast in 2 hours and ten minutes
Bear markets often have sharp rises. I don’t see it as meaning much.
Ian wrote:
Consider this from the political point of view, as I often do 9/11 and other Bushie things. What did Wall Street want and could Republicans give it to them?
The Street wants money…lots and lots of money. They don’t care about the underlying anything. They’re just like drug dealers — show me the money.
So, Bushie Republican “Conservatives” find a way to give them the money. In return the Street gives them some money to get and keep power. Done deal.
This naturally leads one to wonder where this naturally leads.
i just checked my comcast guide and you are correct – a rebroadcast at 11pm pacific per comcast
sorry for the bogus info, neuro
Heh, ‘penal porn’…! ;-)
My wife watches it religiously, myself, I can’t stand it…
Well, as it happens, if you decompose the numbers on US productivity and inflation, depending on what you count and don’t count, one could come to the conclusion that the economy has been shrinking in the US for a while and concealed by various BS. Don’t want to get into that too much (not my numbers and the guy who did the work is dead) but in general, I assume real US growth rates are about 1% less than the headline number.
But what you’re trying to produce, ultimately, is “happiness”. So if I play “Mass Effect” and it makes me happy, well, that’s real production. If I get good healthcare (hahaha) that’s a product. Etc… Manufacturing does matter, as does food, etc… but so do other things.
Still, outsourcing and offshoring are a huge problem for the US, no question.
Speaking of McCain’s people, has there ever been a more scandal-plagued campaign krew? Carly the Wiretapper, Phil the Crooked Banker, Bud the Islamophobe, Juan the Abramoff-Aide, the list just goes on and on and on.
Your response relates to increases in wages, allowing for greater disposal incomes–ie–purchasing of gadgets for consumption. Employers would see this as wealth redistribution and have fought back with union busting, emmigrant companies and immigrant labor. This is not wealth generation to what I am speaking to. The pie expands, naturally, because people like to procreate more than asphyxiate.
Dig real deep here. Have you ever known a product or service that was revenue neutral and generated revenue for anyone.
My position is that winners and losers occur at all times. Disprove me. I am a liberal and seek such proof.
The current form of “capitalism” seems a throw back to medieval wealth-making. Without factories, few mines, little trade and static fields, the only way to accumulate more was to steal it, strip it, take it from somebody who already had it.
Taking it from another king was good; if not, taking it piece meal from peasants was OK, too. Chances are, another king had things you wanted, in the form you wanted them. Sometimes he had enough that you could pay the army you needed to take his things, at least its survivors. If not, you did it to somebody else. You did it to somebody else, anyway, because you wanted more and it worked the first time.
That’s a lot like CheneyBush and the Middle East. It’s a lot like the “private equity” asset stripping model that more and more businesses are adopting for their own – auto, retail, publishing, you name it. “People Are Our Most Important Assets” is as outdated a slogan as “Tippecanoe and Tyler, Too” is compared to the Rove slime machine.
” Millions of Americans will lose their houses and live on the street.”
…or in Bushvilles
Obama has surounded himself with Chicago School advisors.
Is the “…new responses” turned off? I can’t see anything new unless a hard refresh.
oh, thank you!
It may have been ideological for some, but the guys who were in this for power and money don’t have ideology.
However, I do agree the quote is important. What they’re doing with the power is stealing from the government (under various guises like war or bailouts) and giving to their friends. This is criminals running the banks.
They’ve run the GWOT, ruined the mortgage and much of the credit business, recently run up oil prices with speculation, jacked Freddy & Fanny around and might now be headed to the NYSE for a (perhaps final) big score before Bush ‘retires’.
If you were in their shoes and had control of government and friends on the Street what would you do to make the most of that?
No no no, think bigger and much more criminal.
Ditto.
nothing you are involved with is bogus, suzanne
you told me the best you knew
thanks
Yes. Working on it.
But if you’re playing “Metal Gear Solid 4″ all day because you gave up trying to find a job because there aren’t any because of the lack of manufacturing, and you have no health insurance, and your house is in foreclosure, and your neighborhood is in decline so the services and grocery stores have all closed, so all you can get to eat is junk food, so your good health’s not going to last long, presuming you had any to start with… well, then how happy are you likely to be able to be?
Which is why I wrote “capitalism” in quotes. Market capitalism works well when its failings aren’t assumed away, but regulated in the interest of more than just sellers.
You do not understand my responses, meaning we are talking by each other. I was not talking about wages, I was talking about productivity. Two very different things. You are asking me to prove that gravity exists. The economy has been growing. More stuff per input is increasing, it has been for 200 years (heck, longer than that, the first big rise happened during the wind/water revolution, centuries ago). There are plenty of stats on this.
Your points on income distribution are unclear to me. Yes, there is fighting over income distribution. Check my archive, I’ve discussed that plenty.
The pie grows (sometimes shrinks). The pie is fought over. This is not news. The fact that normal people have lost that fight for the last 30 years is something I have pointed out repeatedly.
yes, in order to see new comments, you must either F5 (hard refresh) if using a PC – or you can make a new comment and that will also show new comments
tech crew is very aware
Yes, it is turned off. Not sure when it’ll be back on. It was contributing to server issues.
Happier than if you didn’t have a game to play. But not much. :)
Ian — stellar summary. Any words of encouragement?
Ian — stellar summary. Any words of encouragement? My parents did their depression in their childhoods — I’ll be doing mine in my retirement. Damn.
Well then, let me warn everybody — run, run as fast as you can, they’re coming for you.
How’s that?
Seriously, I think they want to destroy the economy. I’ve been hearing them talk about the coming Great Great Depression for months. It always comes out of the mouths of Bushie Conservatives, Rich Guys and the MSM.
Everybody else is trying to save the economy and make things better.
We know Gramm was behind the Housing mortgage crisis and the Enron loophole and we know they did that secretly to avoid a Clinton veto. Hillary was clearly correct when she referred to a Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy and they’re still here trying to knock over the economy to make money and to make it very rough on the next president, presumably a Democrat named Obama.
So, just how is the economy likely to go upside down? Housing has burst and oil is bursting and we’re still hanging on?
If YOU were all-powerful what would you do to toss the economy?
Nothing is unfixable. We know the solutions for a lot of stuff. Convincing people to act is the issue, but it’s not hopeless.
Sorry, Suzanne,
I was so checked into Bill Moyers and my desperate city of Cleveland that I wasn’t paying attention to the current posting, until I realized what was not going on. A couple of very exciting days, yes? My “reload current page” gives the new postings.
Distracted maybe. Happier, I’m not so sure of. I think maybe Orwell and Huxley got it right, the soma is a necessary part and parcel of the whole machine, and in the US plentiful cheap entertainment is one thing that never ever seems to go missing, nor lacking for funding. Education, health care, infrastructure may crumble to dust, but somehow this country always manages to cough up another couple hundred million for the next Batman picture.
Se habla Suisse, Cindy?
Ian, my wife asked me a question today that I don’t know the answer to, but perhaps you or a commenter might. IANAE.
It is conventional wisdom that America’s entry into World War II ended the Great Depression
How did it do that? Where did the wealth come from to finance the defense buildup that “got the country moving again”? Why isn’t the Iraq war or the Afghanistan war or the GWOT doing that now?
Are there simple but valid answers to those questions?
HUD has a progran they presented here yesterday called “ten year program to end homelessness. Estabshed already in 350 jurisdictions. Called US Interagency Council on Homelessness. The Regional Director from SF made the presentation to the already formed coalition od city, county and NPs.
It looks like Bushco has anticipated the huge growth in homelessness but has no funding…they expect churches to cough up the capital about $20k a year per person. Not my numbers. The sell it is cheaper to house thab jail or hospitalize these folks. We have tent camps in Ontario and LA as of last year.
Is this a plan for shock therapy?
Senator Levin (not Leahy, my oopsie, and this was before the Homeland Security Committee, not Banking and Finance) seems to be astute enough to realize that UBS couldn’t have been unaware that their web of reporting “avoidance strategies” were not merely a mistake on the part of UBS. Branson’s assertion that they simply failed to understand that there were laws against this and would no longer issue anonymous accounts to US citizens and residents strikes me (and apparently Levin) as utterly disingenuous. The complex actions taken to AVOID DETECTION and REPORTING simply go beyond the pale of mere misunderstanding. UBS knew precisely what they were doing…after all, I’m sure they have scores of US tax lawyers working for them…and these regulations on reporting are “internationalized” now. To avoid reporting requires a tremendous amount of deception (as illuminated by Levin’s list of what UBS executives did and suggested to their clients).
Hillary was right, there is a vast right-wing conspiracy. She should have shone the light on it then, her backing away from it was a despicable act.
It has
governedcontrolled the country for the last 8 years if not the last 14 years.What is its agenda for the period of the Obama administration?
Make that the last almost 30 years. This mess started with Reagan.
The US had a ton of unused capacity and the problem was demand. So you got everyone working (because the government hired them all, in effect), money flows through the economy and it’s all good. There was no resource bottleneck, infrastructure was in good shape, the US had trade suplusses not deficits, etc…
War stimulus works great for a while, then it begins to wear off. In effect the US was under some war stimulus since 1941 – the cold war saw huge levels of military spending. Clinton pulled some of that out, and it helped the economy a great deal, but the political price was high.
The ‘chilling’ effect. Most damaging. It takes folks with real strength and honor to fight back. I hope we have some of those.
No one paid any attention to her and poo pooed her Remember??
The other problem is that over all military spending has a much more limited economic stimulus than most other forms of government spending and ultimately (as in the current economy) becomes a drag on the overall economy. Resources spent on military purposes are not available for other uses.
Hero, indeed. At his death, I walked around at work yelling, good riddance to bad rubbish!
Heh, it sure is designed to turn individuals towards the fold, eh… “Mission Accomplished’ for the Faith-based initiatives…?
The recent/current trend to deify him is an outrage!
MSM funeral coverage, replace FDR on the dime??!!!
Shameless!
It isn’t entirely to promote the buyers…at least it shouldn’t be. It should establish a level playing field and a well-ordered set of rules and good referees. It’s a fast-paced tough game, but no rules would just turn it into chaos and destruction. And, despite the talk about Creative Destruction it’s only in the aftermath that creativity occurs and profits can be made, but it’s an empty kind of productivity to replace something which had already existed (as in rebuilding Baghdad or New Orleans).
Real new creation and productivity is worth paying to get.
Think of the time when automobiles came along and upset the applecarts known as United Buggywhip Co. and the horse farms. Do we rue that day or would we rather go back?
Yes, it’s difficult and a lot of oxes get gored. The problem is that if we allow ourselves to become sclerotic (as Bill Moyers said), then we’re only a short step from death. We have to remain dynamic and vital or give up as a failure. I don’t think the Rich guys or the Christian Right or the Libertarians want to give up any more than we do. Some of them just want to take shortcuts to wealth and power or their other goals.
The United States is a concept. If you buy into it fully, then you know you’ve got to fight for it and you hope it’s worth it. So far it has been. Here’s a strange thing: if you think it’s so strong that some corruption around the edges can’t bring it down, then maybe you feel it’s okay. But, how far can that go before serious damage is done? Bushies seem to feel there are few limits. Or, maybe they seriously don’t care (and don’t get me wrong, I’m not just saying the Bush family or even just Republicans).
We’ve got to get on track and head off the bad guys at the pass.
Yes, we talk by each other because I do not understand your language. Please be assured this is my failing and not your, it is not my desire to cause a blogfight but to seek answers to a basic question. All the answers are where you put them, we just need to find them in the same place.
This is not in dispute. The pie gets bigger and sliced finer. We agree absolutely on this point. New stuff gets invented and better methods of production are created, making goods sold more profitable.
However.
Does brand new money get printed from the United States Treasury for the unveiling of a new product, or must the current dollars in circulation, coupled with better production and energy savings be the only venue for competition?
I apologize for being so dense, but sometimes the tectonic stresses on governmental policies must be spelled out to me in stark reality.
Wages do not affect prices directly, but the “market” does. See Huffy bicycles for example. Wages do affect profits. Good paying jobs are shipped overseas for a fraction and profits increase which redistributes the wealth.
I see no “original wealth generator.”
He was in fact literally evil.
You forgot Mount Rushmore. SF has a ballot measure to name a sewerage plant after the Commander Guy. :)
children should be taught in school that Reagan was a bad man who harmed our country
don’t think it is going to happen
If you’re a Senator “whistle-blower” on the government that’s corrupt, WHO do you turn to?
love that ballot measure!
I was in on the beginning of this one. I was in the state blue sky law enforcement business in the early 80s (16 criminal convictions in 19 cases). I watched the reaganauts begin the process of eviscerating the SEC. During my tenure, pretty much every enforcement person with 6-12 years experience left. They had been shuffled into meaningless market regulation cases, or insider trading cases, which are the bane of any real enforcement person, or were pulled off real fraud cases to work on rogue broker cases, which are nearly pointless. Some went to the dark side, others went into other fields, but they were replaced by the bureaucrats Ian describes.
One night I had a drink or two with a couple of people from the SEC working on a precursor of Reg D, and since I was getting to the end of my own tenure, I basically berated them for throwing away the SEC’s legacy as an enforcement agency and caving in to the Broker firms and their representatives on the SEC. They just got morose and drank. I got hotter, booze’ll do that. I think I shamed them, but the next day they were back at it.
No one cared.
Maybe I could register to vote there and vote for that by absentee ballot
I am normally a very quiet librarian. That week RR died, I was a lion roaring — goodbye, goodbye you bastard!
Hell yes, I remember. Seems like I remember everything now that I’m 48. Well, not where I put the car keys, or which pills I took this morning… but in retrospect the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, Bill’s “Welfare Reform” betrayal, the Iran hostages juxtaposed against the inauguration, the bridge falling during the PAA debate… everything… I am at long last cursed to remember everything…
wow
“Mourning in America” was the NPR headline. I snickered with them.
New Orleans gets wiped out.
D.C. gets all the guns they can shoot at each other.
Cleveland, and some other predominantly Democratic cities, get to be homeless — and guess how much trouble it is to vote without a home.
Seems like a patter, eh?
It actually made the ballot too, I hope ya’ll in the Bay area vote accordingly…! That would be a true monument in testament of Shrub’s legacy…! ;-)
THAT is a very sad, sorry, tale.
We are living the Reagan legacy now.
its limited to those in the city and county of san francisco
is the concept of “public servant” obselete?
(I was one for 20 years, and took it pretty seriously)
(not in the financial field however)
Lucky bastards (says the Bridge-and-Tunnel Oaklander).
obsolete
(the Spelling Police bust themselves)
Cleveland Ohio. The shame of the Democratic Party. With a SUPER Senator, Sherrod Brown.
Laughing ^..^
I think the Thugs would say the idea of doing anything at all for the common good is either quaint, cute, wasteful, pointless, or a thoroughgoing abomination against the laws of nature, man, God, and/or the Gods, depending the particular flavor of Thug involved.
My Bad, tho, I did know it wasn’t a statewide initiative…! ;-)
please excuse me for jumping in without reading all the comments… but i think i can help out here. it’s proper name is organized crime.
Excellent stuff, Ian. You correctly point out that the US has never disarmed since December 7, 1941. Why doesn’t anyone discuss the defense budget? My guess is any politico who would have the guts to challenge the Pentagon paints a big target on his back, figuratively and literally. Imagine what we could do with half of that dough? Or, if you’re a repug, how much lower taxes could be. The greatest re-branded in history was when they renamed the War Department the Department of Defense.
yes, I suppose they would say “the common good” is the enemy, as it tends to dilute the private good
RICO is the solution
What Reagan set out to do has largely been accomplished. The Gini Coefficient (a measure of econommic inequality) in the US is now at .45 (1.0 is perfect inequality and 0.0 is perfect equality), which means we have the 35th highest in the world. We are right between Cote d’Ivoire and Cameroon. Most European countries are in the low to mid-20s.
that is to say, it tends to dilute their private good
from the wiki:
They actually came out this week and publicly said public service was unAmerican.
Told ATT customer service rep their FISA immunity and the gutting of the bill of rights was repugnant. While I was jumping hoops for them to get my phone number for my new provider and shut down SBC. They said I would be billed for the next four days as well.
Sadly, if you combined all other countries’ ‘defense’ budgets, in any given year, our defense budget still eclipses that total…!
Aw, jeez, that makes me ill.
There was a time when the coal mining industry employed a lot of men and a few mules. The saying was that men were a dime a dozen, but a good mule was hard to find. That was the beginning of a trend which produced a Middle Class.
Since the 1980s the microprocessor (computers) has allowed us to grow our productivity tremendously (with great wealth accruing to those in that industry), but it is the steam shovel, not manpower which is improving the productivity, so the Capitalist gets the profits and even downsizes when he can to shift even more of the wealth away from the worker and toward himself.
This isn’t an indication of hatred towards workers, but it can easily be seen that way. It also is the first change in direction since the end of the Civil War and the beginning of the Industrial Age. But, what are the workers to do now? They can’t go back to the farms since that’s also been corporatized.
Along comes the Global Economy and our companies shift even more wealth away from the worker and to the rest of the world. This can be great for Wall Street and profits for the Rich, but what of the rest of us?
We have to start over and develop more and more and more and sell it overseas when it’s more than we need here, just as farmers used to sell excess food product to their neighbors or to a larger market.
We have a lot to do.
well, you can figure they are listening, so say some outrageous things about them for the next four days
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shaker heights?! i know shaker heights (at least i used to).
holy shit. what percent is that?
So do I remember… how I felt about our country once and then to now see the seeds of destruction the republican conservatives have sown come to fruition and the destruction of everything FDR put in place to try and level the field for the PEOPLE… there is no doubt that the conservatives(think rich/powerful) have waged and won the war of wealth distribution… It is up to us to try and wrest it back from them. We must make the huddled masses realize that it has been a WAR, an economic one but a war by any other name..
I wonder what they are thinking in this race to the bottom… WHO is going to buy their goods??? When and only then will they maybe understand that they must pay living Wages or they will also gon down in flames along with the rest of us…
Maybe we can all take wellb*trin or pa*il for the depression. I know I will need drugs to make it through.
that’s right – you’ve been law enforcement.
we could use a little of that directed at deecee right now.
maybe eventually they will realize it is to their advantage to have the government give you the money to pay them for that
the money the government gives you to pay them, however, will of course, come from us, not from them…
Shaker Heights THE most exclusive neighborhood in Cleveland. We are hurting here in the housing market. I don’t know what percent 500 homes are, but my guess is 8 percent. Cleveland Heights, 12 per cent.
Just who exactly were the terrorists again?
I’m older, I forget
;>)
He and his people who were so arrogant or stupid they decided to rename “Washington National Airport” to “Reagan National Airport”, forgetting or not caring that “Washington” isn’t just the name of the city, but the name of the nation’s first president.
What kind of morons would try to do such a thing? Have they NO respect at all? Apparently not.
We are in a huge amount of trouble.
I have never called it that and I will never call it that
they probably think Washington was one of those liberal do-gooders
damn. i’m trying to imagine and can’t.
i lived in cleveland ‘78-’82 not far from shaker heights (distance wise – very far class wise) and my brother lived in cleveland heights during part of the ’90s.
wow. mind boggling. if it can happen to shaker heights, it can happen anywhere.
The Sweetie and I watched the Extremely Distended version of The Lord of The Rings over several nights last week — 9+ hours I think. Hard not to see things in good/evil terms, final battles, etc. under the circumstances. Then I read last night at Large Orange that Hispanic voter reg is up this year by something like 3 million nationally. That felt like some huge dormant army coming to join the fight, the one that might turn the tide and really let us defeat Sauron. One or two more of those and we might just have a majority so big they won’t be able to steal the election.
I know, I know, any Dem who can win is 100% guaranteed to break my heart once we get down the road a bit…
He was.
Easy…….take a breath…..we’re all trying to learn here.
The bloody Brits always get it right…! ;-)
KO said tonight it must be Halliburton because they have killed or maimed so many of our people over in Iraq. Apparently, they cannot wire for shit.
I read somewhere just today that GM isn’t going bankrupt because their American plants have to be closed. Nope. They’re opening new plants overseas and selling there too. They don’t need American consumers in the future they’ve planned. They also don’t want to pay taxes here. They’d probably move somewhere else (as Halliburton has done) except they like the stability and protection our government and society give.
I usually don’t make the argument that it’s just bidness and not personal, but to those folks whose slogan is “Show me the money!” it is just bidness.
or they just don’t care
Heh. Indeed.
People are afraid here. Our neighborhood in Coventry is fine, and so is Fairmont and Lee Road. But the fringes are in trouble.
ES is upstairs with late late nite
Thanks, nahant, for setting that straight. Little touchiness on this thread. Hey, folks, we’re all in this together. No need to throw pebbles at the still-walking.
Passive aggressive terrorism.
All those new creative financial instruments, restating bottom lines after CEOs sell off their stocks. The leveraged buyouts and unfriendly takeovers. The proxy fights just indications of the corporate culture of finding new ways to steal value or slim it off. it was depressing as was the S$L Bush scam with Keating and the Arizona gang.
It seems to me the the whole paper financial sector has been devalued. Wall street has power marketers that have been “Making a Market” as brokerages run up a stock. One of many scams.
There are five houses in three blocks in foreclosure here. Fuckery and fucked.
Love clarity
Have to say that we do not seem to have been impacted too seriously by the whole mortgage meltdown. It is weird really, because house prices are grossly inflated compared to incomes. Median household income is about $30K and average house price is about $200K.
Soma
Met a retired peace officer at the bay while going for a row. Was young healthy and athletic. Said he retired San Jose and bought in Madiera and lost a bundle. He was talked into making a bundle and said he guessed he was conned by the salesman. So what was he doing here…looking to buy property. P.T. Barnum said There is a sucker born every second. The first rule of selling is appeal to someomes greed. Con men call them muches.
There’s unpretentious, albeit strong-smelling, valerian root.
I agree with your characterization of Obama’s ‘folks’ but the essential problem is that whatever strand of economic theory that you pick other than ‘Complexity Economics’ and it’s relatives is a complete and utter failure as science. ‘Modern’ Economic theory is still based on the mathematics that hard scientists threw in the trash 400 freakin’ years ago.
When folks find out that ‘free market’ means not the Pareto Curve in income distribution but rather the L-Curve there is going to be some real problems for our ‘leaders’. I think we may be on the edge of this ‘teaching moment’ now.
I plan on doing a diary here at FDL about this right after I crank one out on sustainable energy policy.
Shorter form: The natural outcome of the ‘free market’ is the income distribution shown in the L-curve clip. Period. Not the bell curve you see used so much. I see very little recognition of this in ‘conventional’ economic or political circles. But of course….
That’s what you’d expect….
….is it not.
ohhhh, I get it. Sorry for the late reply, had a loooong phonecall with a friend.
This article, which I wrote back in December, should answer your question.
Yes, unrestrained competition (not just capitalism) results in wealth and income curves that looks like and L. Capitalism cannot control itself, which should be no surprise.
I take exception as to the cause of the financial problems we are seeing.
The cause is not the absence of smart and ethical regulators, but of a system flawed which is doomed to consume itself because it is based on creation of wealth from thin air and the notion of “profit” based on exploitation.
As long as you have a system which is driven by the need to create wealth for the few, it will be done on the backs of the many. Regulation might only make the pain less severe and fewer less wealthy, but the system is about the few exploiting the many.
The system can’t be regulated to be “ethical” and moral unless you completely change it so it has a completely dif raison d’etre.
Come on you can say it… capitalism is the new word for slavery or neo feudalism.
Workers are exploited, taxed and pay for the creation of the wealth of the property class. It’s that simple.
The MIC is a vast structure to suck wealth from the people and pass it to the few who own these corporations.
The financial sector which now drives the US economy creates nothing but is a scheme to scam money off as transaction fees. We hardly create anything of value in this country anymore except “intellectual property”
and that too is in the firm grasp of the propoerty class and corporations.
What would be your thoughts on killing taxpayer subsidized drilling and take the money to build solar farms in the desert, sort of harvest the now wasted energy in the desert, using and retiring the present dirty infrastructure until an energy bridge can be built to provide during night hours?
we didn’t stand a chance with no media. At least there would have been some resistance 20 or 30 years ago , now most people won’t even know what happened until it’s it’s too late.
Seriously EPU’d here but a most excellent post, Ian. Clean up a couple words here and there for the fainting Nellies and this is worthy of a spot on the editorial page of the WSJ, Barron’s, or any number of newspapers.
Concur.
In capitalism there’s an inherent conflict between individual interest and collective good. You see it in the insurance industry which supposedly socializes risk while individualizing profit. The same is true of the financial sector. Individuals who got wealthy don’t care about the “system” or the people they looted to get to where they are. Same is true about agribusiness who will fight to continue using chemical fertilizers and pesticides although they damage the planet. These guys don’t acknowledge they live on the planet also. Perhaps they feel the planet will hold together until they shuttle off this mortal coil. That is the extent of their vision.
We need new ways to interact and influence events. FDL’s new possibilities, though I haven’t seen them, apparently move in this direction and not a moment too soon.
There is no concept of collective good within capitalism. The health and welfare of workers is strictly to ensure a population fit enough to fight wars.
True enough, but why should it be? Why should we just sit back and take it?
That seems to be what the experts — all of them — are saying: we’re in the process of collapsing the economy, there’s nothing we can do about it, Depression on a level not seen in generations looms, there will be immense suffering by ordinary folks, and people who made out like bandits — or were bandits — during the Good Times will be fine. In fact, they may come out of the coming Depression better off than they started.
What’s wrong with this picture?
It’s a picture of passivity by the Consumer/Masses while they are hurled willy-nilly into poverty — and do nothing about it except complain now and then, “whine” as Phil Gramm would say. Those who made their pile will continue to profit (if they’re smart and aggressive) because the people who are being impoverished will do nothing.
Maybe it will take an aristo like FDR to convince the hapless masses that they are not powerless, and they don’t have to let the bandits get away with it. But right now, there is no such voice, not anywhere.
All we hear is, “Depression is certain, there’s nothing you can do, take it passively, what’s the point in fighting? Those who got rich will stay rich, everyone else: Tough luck, suckers!”
C. Northcote Parkinson, the English observer of bureaucracies, noted that the larger the appropriation, the less it was discussed. My experience on a Board of Finance bears this out. A ten thousand dollar appropriation for a bulldozer shed at the dump took three years and countless minutes of discussion to pass while fifty million sewer appropriations passed in no time. People, generally, are insecure, unwilling to act on their beliefs when they run counter to experts. That is because we have no way to get feedback from each other. We are still in this alone, when we need to be in it together.
Now that smacks of socialism or worse because there remains a great psychological need to “make it”. We need meaning. That usually involves beating someone at something or other. We must understand the nature of the disease before we can begin to discuss a cure.
No oil drilling or exploration should be subsidized. Current prices are high enough that subsidies are not needed. Money should definitely go into alternate energy.