but I have to admit, that bigotry is a huge factor, I see even democrats here in new york are having trouble supporting obama and they can’t even give an inteligent reason why

they can’t give a reason because they either won’t say they are bigots or just don’t realize it.

I personally wish this fisa thing game up early in the campaign, obama would have never ever been able to support the bill…though it seems to me in the beginning he did indeed gaurantee he would not support telecom immunity, then he did

I began to stop defending him on the tubes and in person, I cannot believe we are feilding such a corporatist but here we are today

McCain is awful. He is GAWDAWFUL. But the last two lines of this post make it about Clinton voters, not McCain.

It is a pretty sucky attack, especially when no liberal/progressive Clinton preferrer would ever stomach voting for McCain. Those that don’t like Obama can also note vote at all, sit it out and just vote downticket, vote Green, or write in Hillary as a DNC protest. I’m sure there are other options for us that don’t involve spitefully voting for someone worse than Obama.

On a personal level, my dislike of Obama will NOT make me vote for McCain. And my disike of Obama has nothing to do with Clinton and everything to do with Obama himself – his history, his voting record, his hubris, his corporate-love, his pandering, his basic dishonesty, his not being a liberal, his misogyny, his religiosity. If my state is in play in November I will probably hold my nose and vote for him. If my state is safely D I will likely write in my preferred candidate.

http://www.naoptek.com! Imagine this on a large scale. Using tidal actions push salt water inland, to agricultural areas. Harvested solar radiation is utilized to operate “Radio Frequency Generators” (John Kanzius) to disassociate hydrogen from from salt water. Now Burn hydrogen to operate steam driven electrical turbine generators. The exhaust from hydrogen is desalinated H2O now used to irrigate crops for food and grow industrial grade hemp and other low cost biomass for cellulosic ethanol production.

The electricity created by burning hydrogen goes into the grid. A simple proposition, Using the most abundant elements on earth Sunlight and salt water and tech we have affordable energy once the capital cost are paid for! This is a war on energy!!! This would decimate the supply side economic horse shit we hear every day! A New New Deal for America and the world vs “Corporate monopolistic BULLSHIT” Jefferson ONCE again!!!!!!

perris and Southern Dragon – there are a bazillion non petro based ‘plastics’ out there- compostable/bio degradable

and not all of it is corn by the way, there’s sugarcane, and I’ve seen take-out utensils made from sweet potato –

this is just one page, one line of products that happen to affect my industry

link

Citizen Norske,

Might there be a successful trial lawyer in line to do just that job on behalf of the governed. PS: I like and respect your style… brass testicles. Must have been that “Nam” thing??