Remember our mantra this week, pups? No retroactive immunity.
Waxman has it right. Mukasey’s assertion of executive privilege is ludicrous. First of all, you don’t just send a little note on a greeting card saying "we assert privilege". (OK, it wasn’t a greeting card, it was DOJ letterhead, but you get my point). When there is a subpoena out there you must bring a motion to quash that subpoena, otherwise you are in contempt. US v. Nixon, 418 US 683, 688.
From that motion, a District Court decision would be issued which determines whether or not privilege applies. More on that below.
Since Mukasey has NOT brought such a motion nor been relieved of the obligation to comply with the subpoena by court order, his little note to Congress today is prima facia evidence that he is willfully in contempt. Congress can and must vote to hold him in contempt on that basis alone. This is basic basic basic rule of law stuff here, folks. Anderson v. Dunn, 6 Wheat. (19 US) 204, 228 (1821).
Secondly, Mukasey’s failure to bring the motion does not box out a role for the courts here. Congress can bring its own motion to compel production of the records pursuant to the subpoena. 418 US 692. The basis for the motion (and why I think Congress should win) is as follows:
1) No motion to quash, subpoena is still live. Executive has failed to avail itself of any legal relief with respect to the subpoena.
2) Executive privilege is not absolute. It is a rebuttable presumption.
3) There are two main bases for declaring Executive Privilege:
a) The need for advisers to the president to be able to offer candid advice to the president confident that it will not be made public. Not our case here. The communications between the President and Pat Fitzgerald and the President and the FBI did not involve the transmission of advice or counsel to the president; to the contrary, these were adversarial interviews. Ditto the interviews with Darth Cheney a/k/a "Darkside."
b) Separation of powers.
However, neither the doctrine of separation of powers, nor the need for confidentiality of high-level communications, without more, can sustain an absolute, unqualified Presidential privilege of immunity from judicial process under all circumstances. The President’s need for complete candor and objectivity from advisers calls for great deference from the courts. However, when the privilege depends solely on the broad, undifferentiated claim of public interest in the confidentiality of such conversations, a confrontation with other values arises.
US v. Nixon, 418 US, 683, 707.
Mukasey cannot with a wave of his pen make executive privilege stand. "It is emphatically the province and duty of the judicial department to say what the law is." Id., at 177. Marbury v. Madison, 1 Cranch 137, 177 (1803). "Judicial control over the evidence in a case cannot be abdicated to the caprice of executive officers." US v.Reynolds, 345 US 1, 10-11(1953).
Notwithstanding the deference each branch must accord the others, the "judicial Power of the United States" vested in the federal courts by Art. III, 1, of the Constitution can no more be shared with the Executive Branch than the Chief Executive, for example, can share with the Judiciary the veto power, or the Congress share with the Judiciary the power to override a Presidential veto. Any other conclusion would be contrary to the basic concept of separation of powers and the checks and balances that flow from the scheme of a tripartite government. The Federalist, No. 47, p. 313 (S. Mittell ed. [418 U.S. 683, 705] 1938). We therefore reaffirm that it is the province and duty of this Court "to say what the law is" with respect to the claim of privilege presented in this case. Marbury v. Madison, supra, at 177.
US v. Nixon, supra, at 705.
Interestingly, Mukasey has not invoked the still-rebuttable–but harder-to-overcome–state secrets privilege which protects military matters which, "in the interest of national security, should not be divulged," not even to a federal court. US v. Reynolds, 345 US at 11. The States Secrets privilege was established by George Washington.
Want to take a fun quiz on Executive privilege and States’ Secrets privilege? Click here.
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Loosehead!
LHP for AG!
I took the quiz and found a possible couple of state secrets but no grounds for executive privilege. How’d I score?
Digg this post for the future AG please.
Yes!
But Congress has to do something, right? If all that happens is letters, no matter how well drafted and clever,there is no issue.
Soon, they’ll just send text messages when they get a Congressional subpoena:
It’s ridiculous and absurd, and a Congress that doesn’t stand up to it will lose any bargaining power in a court of law for not having asserted its powers against the executive. Stand up now, Congress, for what is yours — and ours! Or see it lost to an all-powerful Unitard Executive.
(rebuttable is a funny word, regardless of context)
When I read Mukasey’s letter or rather, the Dep AG’s letter, saying that Bush has claimed EP, I kept wondering….where’s the piece of paper from W’s office or attorney…stating that he invokes EP???? Wouldn’t there need to be something in writing from Bush’s office directly to DOJ…not just a DOJ person “saying” that he has invoked it? What….did he just call up the DOJ and say…yeah, I’m goin’ with EP? The AG and the rest of the DOJ are not his attorneys. They can advise him of what is legal, but it would be W’s staff that would have to respond in writing….somewhere? Where is that piece of paper???
Where’s the beef?
I call a big bluff of B.S.
Unitard executive. My recollection of the unitard is that it was a garment that made it difficult to use the bathroom.
down and to the left!
707!
duggery do
I’m still waiting for the lowly file clerk to cough up all those copies of documents s/he has been making on the sly all this time.
When there is a subpoena out there you must bring a motion to quash that subpoena, otherwise you are in contempt. US v. Nixon, 418 US 683, 688.
Wait a minute here. You seem to be suggesting that established law applies to the Bush administration. In addition, you seem to be making some preposterous assumption that there is anyone in Washington D.C. who cares to make an effort to apply said law.
I haven’t seen any evidence of that whatsoever.
/S
My take is this. It’s a game of chicken. The guys in DOJ may be jerks but they are smart. They know the law as well as lhp. But if they raise a motion they might have to explain to the Court why it is important. The Court might not be impressed and simply refer to the precedents, so they have to explain more. You see where this is going? If they bounce Waxman into citing contempt, it gets easier to stall.Make sense?
totally OT, but has something happened to the Lake? recently, I have not been able to even GET to the lake, no matter what search engine I was using at work. Has some outside body labeled FDL(language? Politics? ) as ‘bad’ ‘dirty’ ‘evil’ so that filters won’t let it through? Enquiring minds and all that.
It’s all smoke and mirrors. They are full of B.S.
It appears that Congress has no lawyers, at least they act that way. They ask the Justice Department to enforce subpeonas, and if the Justice Department refuses, Congress does nothing.
Inherent contempt is a possibility, but I don’t know why Congress can’t just go to court directly to ask the court to enforce the subpeona. It’s insane for Congress to tolerate this kind of thing.
A garment that no-one ever bought more than one of.
I’m usin’ FF and have no problem at all except when the &$%*$%^ servers act up.
*sigh*
me too
but I don’t know why Congress can’t just go to court directly to ask the court to enforce the subpoena.
Who’s going to represent them?
I put this over in Empty’s room, but it fits here too..
These were replies to other commenter’s
‘the decision to send Ms. Plame’s husband, Ambassador Joseph Wilson’
This interests me..
Who! really ’sent/suggested’ Joe Wilson for Niger?
If it came quietly* from the WH or OVP office? Well that opens up all sorts of stuff. And there’s a LOT of little nuggets written in this response from Mukasey.
And I loved the ‘request’ for EP! I read that as Mukasey telling the WH, ‘If you don’t activate EP as cover, legally you’re done..”
Mukasey is, at heart, a policeman, we/someone who knows what they are doing, just need to ask the right questions. There is a LOT of extra words/information/names etc in his response..just my pennies worth…:)
Oh, and about Issa’s ‘warning’
‘One last thought on that: what I fear is that Conyers (in particular) will be frightened off by the warning shots.’
Sidenote, MRS Conyers has ‘legal problems of her own. Maybe its related?
Because Mukasey is blocking everything for Bushco.
I mean, I mean, I mean, this person could have his/her name right up there with Ellsberg. (Apologies to Arlo Guthrie).
Well, yeah they do have to do something. I am trying to explain some of the somethings they could do, so the pundits don’t buy any nonsense talking points.
Mike Mukasey WAS a really smart lawyer. This executive privilege crap is John Yoo quality crap. Totally lacking in foundation. Goofy stretches
This guy didn’t drink the Kool-aid, he injected it. By the gallon.
Oh man – don’t get me started on turning this into an Alice’s Restaraunt-only comments thread
I sure hope Chuck and Dianne are happy with what they’ve wrought. You think?
Yep, where IS that piece of paper? Mukasey asking Bush to invoke EP ain’t the same as Bush doing the invoking
PLUS, the invocation of EP happens in the context of a motion to quash the subpoena, not in the frakkin letter!
For the life of me I don’t understand why the House just continues with the kabuki. These people could really put the screws to the administration but they just won’t do it. Blows my mind. Is Congress really that corrupt?
Maybe it all started out innocently on Mukasey’s part, then “they” met with him and said….ummm…now that you are the newly confirmed AG, we just want you to know that we know all about XXXX, so….. do as you are told, say what you are told to say, and everything will just go swimmingly…..
Wow, there is a LOT of ‘and’s in this.. Need to review before hitting buttons…. :)
You know you can a lead a Congress to water, you can’t make ’em drink.
I’m doing my leading part. It’s the best I can do. At some point, they have to step up. But I’ll keep pointing out the direction where the water’s at.
Congress has lots of lawyers. They can also hire special counsel
LHP
Why is Mukasey obfuscating for Bush?
I’d hate to think that the Dems are waiting for a larger majority in the next Congress. WTF good would that be?
To resurrect a term I was using over at MyDD last year, this is all a Plamegate chessmatch. The end game is approaching, and both sides are looking ahead 4-5 moves.
The fact that Mukasey would respond in such an incomplete and dilatory way shows me that he’s planning his moves. But other than simple dilatory tactics, what is he up to?
It would really be quite remarkable for the AG to be cited with Contempt of Congress, wouldn’t it?
Bob in HI
Gotta go feed the squirrels before it rains. Again. Climate change? What climate change? brb
Mukasey asking Bush to invoke EP ain’t the same as Bush doing the invoking
I could be wrong, but AFAIK, *no one* has justified any of the admin’s ignoring of Congress with a proper invocation of privilege.
And as for Mukasey’s suggesting to Bush that Bush invoke the privilege – Mukasey should be hauled in front of Senator Leahy immediately for the explanation that he had to give to Gonzales that the AG isn’t the WH counsel.
AG’s obviously can’t be impeached – anybody know what remedies, if any, exist for (another) AG refusing to do his job (in terms of getting him *out* of that job)?
I’m doing my leading part. It’s the best I can do.
Oh – I know that. Please don’t take me literally – was an (evidently poor) attempt at gallows humor.
I gotta work on where I stick the /s tag….
Problem for Mukasey is, I think someone caught his Queen about 4 years ago.
None of this really matters in the least because Congress will do nothing to enforce anything concerning Bush and his people, other than bend over and shout, “Please sir, may I have another!” Oh, yes, and send a sternly worded letter. If this wasn’t so serious, it would be funny. But it is so it’s not.
To me, there are only two possibilities as to why Mukasey is risking his entire reputation and career legacy for W:
1. He’s a loyal political Bushie and will sacrifice his legal reputation and career legacy to support the worst president in the history of our country.
2. They’ve spied on him, and he has something really, really embarrassing or criminal to hide, and they let him know they know and will expose him.
I’m going with 2.
‘Mike Mukasey WAS a really smart lawyer.’
Very Smart lawyers/people don’t suddenly wake up stupid!! (unless major injury occurred, and we know that is not the case here).
That is really important to remember when we analyze his responses to Congress/us etc.. He really does give us a lot of info. We just need to put it together…AND, get the folks who can move on this to, MOVE.
Go, Dennis!!! (just because!:))
…But they’re so delightfully packaged and attractively priced, LHP.
Who are we mere mortals to interfere with the conspicuous consumption and subsequent trumpeting of such gaudy fripperies?
;>)
All snark aside, thank you for pointing out what could be done, given an interest by the concerned parties to actually do it.
Dugg… Egregious… Now Waxman has to force the issue on this administration and make them cough up the much needed documents so the PEOPLE can start to get to the bottom of what this Bushco group has been doing in secret behind their backs!
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On Wednesday July 9, 2008 our U.S. Constitution, specifically the 4th amendment was officially torched by the U.S. government. The Democratic leadership in control of the 110th Congress lighted the definitive match to burn up every citizen’s civil liberties while a giddy unpopular President George Bush and his highly voter despised rubber stamp Republican caucus held the gas can in bravado glee.
The world would be a better place if Bush was as an effective leader of the globe as he is at whipping the Congressional Democrats in legislative battles.
Twenty One Senate Democrats voted to give final approval today to broadening the government’s spy powers and providing legal immunity for the phone companies that took part in the illegal Bush wiretapping program.
Congress hads lots of lawyers. They can also hire special counsel
Interesting. I just finished a novel wherein the Congress sued the Executive branch, and was represented by two Senator/attorneys.
I nominate Whitehouse.
You can lead a pundit to knowledge, but you can’t make him (or her) think.
Is Congress really that corrupt?
And if so why? Why after the republics impeached a dem president over a blow job would the dems be so loathe to impeach the most criminal president in the history of our republic?
2. They’ve spied on him, and he has something really, really embarrassing or criminal to hide, and they let him know they know and will expose him.
What? You really think Chuck Schumer and DiFi mighta missed something? Surely you jest.
Cabinet members can be impeached. Secretary of War William Belknap was impeached after he resigned. Or did you mean something specific about AGs?
I love that…LMAO!!!!
I’m convinced that Congress has been spied on and Bushco has all kinds of dirt on tons of them…which also explains why they voted to make it all go away…
You’re back from the cesspool!! Me, too.
Yeah ,go Dennis and Wexler; my letter to my Rep. who doesn’t think the American public sees impeachment as being in ‘the national interest’:
Dear Representative Davis;
I am in receipt of your email to me dated July 16,2008 regarding my asking you to support impeachment hearings by the Judiciary Cmte.
You wrote “Although I have heard from a few people who share your view that impeachment is the best way to move the country forward, it is clear that impeachment is not something most Americans and their representatives believe is in our national interest. As you are likely aware, Congressman Kucinich has insisted that the House consider impeachment on more than one occasion and has found that there is simply not much support for this approach.”
First, I must express doubt you have only heard from a ‘few people’ on this issue. Secondly, you state ‘most American’s’ do not believe such is in the ‘national interest’. I refer you to the American Research Group poll,which, in a poll of 1,100 respondents taken from July 3-5,2007, revealed that 76% of Democrats support the impeachment of Cheney and 69% favor Bush’s impeachment. Independents also are shown to favor Cheney’s impeachment 51%-29% and support Bush’s impeachment 50%-30%. Overall, Cheney’s impeachment is strongly desired by a 54%-40% ratio among all adults polled and Bush’s impeachment is favored by a more narrow 46%-44% of all voters polled.
Though a year ago, all that has happened since would only boost the numbers in favor of such impeachment hearings.
That U.S. Representatives are not strongly in favor of such hearings only goes to show how meaningless their oath of office is taken as it is beyond doubt that the Bush Administration IS a ‘domestic enemy’ of the Constitution as evidenced -again- by the invoking of executive privilege regarding the outing of Valerie Plame.
You also wrote “Right now, impeachment makes little sense since the current Administration has less time in office than it would likely take to carry out impeachment proceedings. What is important now is that we have new national leadership chosen by the majority of voters. To get there, the November elections must be fair.”
First, you seem to be unaware or ignoring the fact that Bush CANNOT pardon those undergoing impeachment hearings upon leaving office. THAT by itself is enough reason to have such hearings.
Secondly, impeachment hearings ARE NOT limited to a current session of the Congress; if they carryover to the next Congress, that is not an issue to be defended.
Third, as long as the Electoral Congress is set up as it is, ‘national leadership by a majority of voters’ is anything but certain.
Fourth, how can you speak of November elections being ‘fair’ when the Advisory Board to the EAC is pushing to have systems certified that do not conform to the standards set for such systems?
Representative Davis, I don’t know what I and others can do to get the message across to you and others in Congress that the American public wants ACCOUNTABILITY and that not supporting impeachment hearings is but thumbing your nose at those you represent. You and others just don’t seem to want to hear us.
I am copying Mike Copass on this ,by the way.
I think they are just spineless cowards and love their positions of importance (they think) and have sold their souls to keep them.
Congress suing the Executive Branch — Dimwit and the Grim Veeper et al? Oh, this is delicious. Do-able? Who launches this procedure?
You don’t need to dig that deep. The top leadership on the Intel committees is complicit, and the name of the game is to cover THEIR posteriors. See Glenn Greenwald’s blog yesterday. I would not mind if Jello Jay, Pelosi, and Harman have to pay a price for their complicity and corruption, if that’s what it takes to get impeachment and accountability back on the table!
Bob in HI
That would be cool.
I have no clue why Mukasey is doing this. STOOOPID
hmmm. No, actually I was basing that on something I read over at EW’s place. Or at least I *think* I read that.
But during the seemingly never-ending Abu-outrage, I don’t recall anyone ever mentioning the possibility of “impeaching” him.
From Da Wiki: The Constitution grants to the House the power to impeach “The President, the Vice President, and all civil Officers of the United States.” It appears that there is some disagreement as to what constitutes, and who falls into, the category of “all civil Officers of The United States”.
So – I guess I don’t know. Again, though, it seems that if Abu was never a candidate for impeachment, there will probably never be an AG impeached.
The third option is that they have participated with BushCo to break the laws of the land and have also done things which violate the Constitition.
Thus they could potentially be as guilty as BushCo. and are opposing anyone finding this out.
I am sure polling shows them that if, a big if, the citizenry ever finds out they’ve been colluding with BushCo to deprive citizens of their rights they are dead meat, politically speaking.
Dead and stinking.
Emptywheel spoke to this yesterday and it’s been something that’s been on my mind for months.
Such is my theory.
LS Maybe his AIPAC, PNAC, Isreal commitments preclude him from moving against Bushco who has been their angel.
http://www.commondreams.org/he…..507-04.htm
But he resigned before the articles were sent to the Judiciary Cmte.
Congress suing the Executive Branch
Well, it *was* fiction; though it did contain an absolutely evil V.P., a President who had nothing to do with the story, a female SecState, and an A.G. named “Lopez”.
Story line was that the V.P. had arranged an environment where, by selective assassinations of candidates, the prez decided to delay the upcoming presidential election “until it is safe”.
The Senators sued, and won, on the basis that it is actually the Electoral College who elects the president, that campaigns are not required, and that the Constitution requires the election to take place – all as per the Constitution – so the Electoral College met and selected a president on their own.
Why do think that immunity from ‘war crimes’ was embedded in the Miltiary Commissions Act?
interesting – I never saw anything of that one. thanks.
Haven’t hit the Lotto and don’t have any rich relatives. Just have to keep swimming until the system collapses in on itself. Then I can be the night watchman for the neighborhood victory garden.
See here:
http://www.prospect.org/cs/art….._subpoenas
Perhaps, he is NOT stupid, we should look deeper/wider/more objectively. :)
Be Vulcan, so to speak….:)
Completely OT, but
Hmmmm, one month before a very ‘dodgy’ Election? Who were the players/pushers on this Bill?
Were they rushing?
Did they know they were going to win?
Random thoughts…
From their webpage (h/t to someone! on another site)
“On October 1, 1999, the Broadcasting Board Governors (BBG) became the independent federal agency responsible for all U.S. government and government sponsored, non-military, international broadcasting. This was the result of the 1998 Foreign Affairs Reform and Restructuring Act (Public Law 105-277), the single most important legislation affecting U.S. international broadcasting since the early 1950s.”
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/16/bbg-cliff-may/
I try to figure out what he has to gain. There has to be a reward somewhere in the near future for his behaviour. We’ll find out what next year but I want to know now. American Instant Gratification Disease.
Medal of frikkin’ freedom?
very interesting. The Committee used the Office of General Counsel – U.S. House of Representatives (which I didn’t know existed)(I gotta get out more) to bring the case.
Wonder where it stands?
Nah, nothin’ that tacky. Bu’ush has managed to turn those into a piece of shit.
Any memeber of the executive can be impeached. Federal judges can be impeached.
What if Mukasey is bluffing the WH? What if there are all kinds of investigations going on that we don’t know about, and he’s pretending to play along with them; meanwhile gathering up evidence of stuff….
Could that even be a possible scenario?
‘There has to be a reward somewhere in the near future for his behaviour.’
If he used to be a good* guy and he used to be a very good/smart lawyer, he probably still is. This is the ultimate chess game. So, reward could mean/be different things to different folks… maybe…:)
Arguments STARTED on June 23; bottomline is stall, delay,etc. LHP has the law correct but the process is another thing. THAT is why the impeachment hearings are SO important; Bush can’t pardon anyone under such hearings and that would include witnesses.
Because he can. They have been doing this for 7 1/2 years. They don’t need a sound, defensible legal argument. As rwcole pointed out earlier today, they already have effectively run out the clock. The August recess is coming up. Then a quick return focusing on budget bills. Then campaigning and the elections. Then another quick get together and then Christmas and the January inauguration. Maybe the Democrats will haul his ass back next year but prosecute him? I doubt it.
No.
And this has been another simple answer…
Mukasey is a Bush lackey; whether through belief or blackmail is unimportant.
lol
The value system of The Hill is far, far different than ours. The AG may have been told various things to engage him on the side of Bush. We just don’t know enough about what motivates him and the others in this play. Excepting for Bush and Cheney who have conveniently run their yappers enough that we think we know what they are up to.
As example forty years ago the idea of a scheme such as th ’shock doctrine’ would have been utterly repugnant to Americans to the extent that anyone seen doing such a thing would have been forced from office.
Today it’s considered quite a clever scheme if you can put yourself on the correct side of it. The money-making side.
Such is the effect of the ‘conservative’ ReichWing led by Cheney, Rumsfeld, Perle, Addington et. al. upon the nation’s moral fiber. [Mod note: edited to remove suggestion of violence]
Not so.
To fail to understand the motivations of these ‘people’ will ultimately cause a failure in averting a repetition of their assaults on our freedoms.
They should be tried, convicted and imprisoned for their actions, which will prevent future re-occurrence. Why they acted the way they did is of no consequence; most will say they were following orders.
I have to agree in principle with Hugh. The new Congress is sworn in in December. Even though there will be roughly 30 days until the inauguration Congress won’t do a thing. It will be interesting to see where these pukin’ buzzards land after they leave the WH, DOJ, etc.
I too often respond in a hurry without thinking. Obviously. (sigh)
Actually, I believe the new Congress is sworn in during the first week of January.
hmm.. but Darkside Barnacle says he’s not IN the executive branch.. so he might claim exemption from impeachment as well :)
It will no doubt be a soft landing. Cushy jobs, CEO of some big company, never have to really work another day – if they ever did.
Now I gotta go look. Damn.
Awesome career path!!
OT — McCain overtalking a questioner and showing his Situational Scrutiny while at the NAACP convention.
And he could be McCain’s VP too.
Yep, first week in January. Wonder where I got December. Senior moment.
OT, That reminds me – when I ordered The Dark Side by Jane Mayer early this morning, it was at #10 at Amazon. A little while ago I checked and it has moved to #7. This book must be a bombshell.
Pelosi et al sworn in January 04.
“It will no doubt be a soft landing.”
…well, I’d accept a rubber room.
It will be interesting to see where these pukin’ buzzards land after they leave the WH, DOJ, etc.
I’m thinking that K Street is about to become roughly bi-partisan – it may become more set up for attempts to influence D’s, but unless the D’s get 60 Senators, the Republican side of K-Street remains in business, methinks.
Make that 60 *solid* D Senators…
Yes, congress really is that corrupt. Both Glenn and Christy dealt with parts of that yesterday. What we’ve been wondering about for 2 years—why is impeachment off the table—has been hidden in plain sight.
Pelosi, Harmon, Jello Jay, Reid, all knew what was going on with torture—they knew about the war crimes and did NOTHING to stop them from happening, which, in and of itself, is a war crime. Therefore there was no way that Nancy in her new position of power was going to do anything about accountability.
We are so screwed.
About once a month, I remind all of us of the curse of the Klopmann Diamond. Mr. Klopmann comes with it.
If I could have a small pride of lions to keep me company I’d be in like Flynn.
Do not disagree with your prescription for these criminals.
Yet, were they not aware that their actions placed them in peril of such punishment? If they were why did they proceed? Where the promised protection? If so by whom? Is the Congressional culture that far gone into corruption or are these the proverbial ‘few bad apples…’
If they did not know their actions were and are illegal why not?
The principle of Justice and the Rule of Law require that we act with as much knowledge as we can get.
Lock ‘em up and throw away the key…’ has never been good policy no matter what the crime.
[Mod Note: Edited to remove suggestion of violence] But…
What sort of solution has a big downside.
Better to ferret out the truth and act upon it according to the rule of law.
I am the King of all Space and Time.
Won’t stop me from getting a speeding ticket next time I get exuberant in my Ford Lightning.
‘S called the ‘Rule of Law’. Cheney’s rotten heart might give out before he finds himself in the dock but that’s where he’s headed.
We aren’t screwed. What’s done has been done. We can’t change that. We can, however, shine the light of day on it. We’ve been doing it on the intertoobz for years. Now it’s time for us to force it into the mainstream. We’ll see what we’re dealing with once the new Congress is sworn in. All we can do until then is lay out contingency plans. And keep kickin’ their ass in the meantime.
Last sentence does not follow….not for me anyway.
Gotta head out to D/L, Oakland chapter meeting to appologize for being rude to Obama supporters.
Haaaahaaaahhhhhhaaaaaa
Well the first part is true.
Have fun and remember the fight for our rights and what is right is only over when….
We say so.
Arguments STARTED on June 23; bottomline is stall, delay,etc.
Arguments, presumably, on the Motion for Summary Judgment? Never get the case finished in a small enough amount of time to be politically relevant.
Still a case very much worth watching however. Miers, Rove, Bolten, et al may have a little sumthin’ coming their way after all – albeit belatedly.
I’d like a pride of small lions
New CHS
Yes, and what’s worse that’s the good news.
Ummm..like pardons?
I realize Henry Waxman is a formidable adversary and a dogged investigator in his own right. But I seriously doubt anything will come of this other than some gnashing of teeth.
My guess is the Democrats ultimately will cave to any executive privilege claims made by this president. They will drag this out, giving the Administration third and fourth chances to provide information, without receiving any.
And by the way can anyone explain to me why any Democrat supported Mukasey’s nomination?
By the way. that was Mukasey stoopid, not you Elliot.
BTW pups, my computer keeps freezing so my reply opportunities are not so good
here for the education and once again I learn, thank you.
I am late to this thread but I insist even though I am not a lawyer;
executive privilege DOES exist for mukasey and it doesn’t matter one iota how he presents his privilege, he does not even have to present it, there is no contempt of congress that will stand, no violation of subpoena, law or court order can possibly stand
the president claims ALL power necessary to “protect this nation” AND THAT INCLUDES ANY CLAIM ANY OF HIS UNDERLINGS CHOOSE TO MAKE
whatever claim they make IS IN FACT PART AND PARCEL TO THE PRESIDENT’S ALL INCLUSIVE POWER
this is simply a fact, SINCE congress REFUSED to jail Meyers, SINCE they refuse to jail rove, SINCE THEY REFUSE TO IMPEACH
any and ALL claims a president makes STAND AS LAW UNTIL CONGRESS IMPEACHES THE MAN MAKING THE CLAIM
this is just too simple, there is no law that applies, no rule that cannot be undone, no precedent that can possibly stand
none
zilcho
Nada
congress MUST use their power otherwise they are powerless
obvious once told but ignored until told so let me tell it again;
CONGRESS IS POWERLESS UNLESS THEY USE THEIR POWER
Gonna wear my finger tips to the second knuckle if I keep logging in and out like this. Your fault this time! *g*
Amen and amen. (see bloody knuckles drip, drip, drip on keyboard…urgh!)
Call the scumbags’ bluff and start the impeachment of Cheney IMMEDIATELY!
If the RePukes won’t produce evidence to show Darth Cheney wasn’t into the Plame outing up to his eyeballs (unlikely that such evidence exists), then the supposition is that what they’re hiding/ stonewalling is incriminating.
The Chimp’s at 26% popularity & Cheney’s even lower (about 18, last I heard). It would be political CAPITAL if the Demos had the spine to impeach the sneering war criminal & profiteer. Indeed, they could raise their own popularity above it’s miserable 14%– but no, Miss Nancy says it’s “off the table,” she must protect her insider pals. Sad, sad. The Roman Republic died for Empire & this one apparently has as well.