"The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in the insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."
Justice Louis Brandeis wrote those lines 80 years ago, but as Jane Mayer’s brilliantly reported and deeply disturbing new book, "The Dark Side: The Inside Story of How the War on Terror Turned Into a War on American Ideals," more than amply illustrates, they’ve never been more relevant….
Former Sen. Majority Leader Tom Daschle (D-S.D.), for example, tells Mayer how George W. Bush’s then-White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales sought a last-minute congressional resolution that "would give President Bush the authority to round up American citizens as enemy combatants, potentially stripping them of their civil liberties."
As Daschle subsequently learned, the White House was relying on opinions from John Yoo and other authoritarian ideologues in the Office of Legal Counsel who secretly told the president and vice president that they enjoyed inherent powers to overturn any law restraining surveillance, searches and seizures within the United States….
Mayer does a superb job of describing how the trauma of 9/11 all but unhinged Bush and Cheney and predisposed the chief executive to embrace the ready-made unitary executive theory of presidential power, which the vice president and his chief aide, David Addington, had come to Washington prepared to promote. In the opinion of the late historian Arthur Schlesinger, "the Bush administration’s extralegal counterterrorism program presented the most dramatic, sustained and radical challenge to the rule of law in American history."…
It’s the Padilla case writ large on every one of us. And strikingly unAmerican and undemocratic and antithetical to the ideals on which this nation was founded.
So why wasn’t this exposed fully to the American public well before now? I get that people were running around like terrified ninnies after the 9/11 attacks and throwing civil liberties to the winds for protection from the daddy state, but this is an attempt at grabbing dictatorial power outright akin to Mussolini on a bender. As if the wholesale torture policies weren’t bad enough.
This deserved full public scrutiny, whether or not it was enacted — because we had a right to know that our own government considered the rule of law as fully malleable to their own lust for more power. As Jane herself says in an interview with Scott Horton:
…although President Bush has argued that “enhanced” interrogation had led to numerous breakthroughs he has never publicly acknowledged the false and fabricated intelligence it has yielded, too. One former top CIA official told me, “Ninety percent of what we got was crap.”
Doesn’t the American public have a right to know that we have sold our collective national souls and forfeited essential civil liberties in the face of Bush/Cheney fear-mongering for a load that is known to be 90% crap? Sound familiar — Pizza Hut leads, anyone?
Strikingly this week, the national Catholic weekly, America, addresses a number of salient points on the ethical, moral and legal obligations of the nation to look — really look — at the implications of this behavior and it’s long-term impact on the nation as a whole:
Three tasks lie ahead for the government, the military and the legal profession. First, the courts, the military and the Department of Justice must find ways to adjudicate speedily the pending and potential cases of Guantánamo detainees. Second, the three branches of government must institute policies to implement habeas corpus in cases of alleged terrorism. Third, new ways to prevent terrorist acts must be explored and developed without creating obstacles to legal review or allowing unlimited executive discretion in the name of national security. Any new preventive measures must be reconciled with the protection of personal rights. Furthermore, identification of people as enemy combatants, except on the battlefield, must be abandoned; and indefinite detention without legal supervision or appeal should be proscribed as an instrument of tyranny.
Finally, in the years ahead our country must still come to grips with our national acquiescence to the politics of fear, which has led to the detention and abuse of hundreds of individuals. Among the necessary steps will be restoration of freedom to innocent detainees, accompanied by public apology and some monetary restitution for the years they lost to incarceration. Furthermore, Congress needs to accept responsibility for its complicity with the executive in laws that denied suspects rightful appeal. A national truth commission should be instituted to establish political accountability for the decisions, policies and statutes that placed suspects outside the protection of the law.
I suppose it’s a start. Perhaps we should ask Maher Arar what he thinks? Perhaps the House Judiciary Committee can ask John Ashcroft about it tomorrow morning beginning at 10 am ET Thursday morning at 10 am ET. Because I’m certain Walter Dellinger, who will also be testifying, will have a thing or two to say on the subject…
(YouTube — interview of Jonathan Turley on Countdown, discussing recent revelations in Jane Mayer’s book of the Red Cross recommendations for potential war crimes tribunals on US torture conduct. Turley says the question of whether the US has been torturing is "not even close.")



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Aloha, Christy!
Heya — how is everyone this afternoon? Making a cuppa tea here…
Btw, I just read the Levin thread… I find this response deeply troubling…
What Iranian Nuclear program…? I mean really, he’s on the SSCI, he’s seen the NIE so why is his parroting the neocon meme…?
Anyone hearing about the impeachment vote in the house?
What are they voting on? I saw in on CSPAN this morning. Scheduled for 5 pm.
I know wishful thinking but….maybe….
Hi Christy!
Digg this
I believe he means the nuclear power program that has been difficult to monitor for the UN — not a nuclear weapons program, per se, which is the neocon meme.
Haven’t heard much on it today — but I’ve been home with a sick Peanut (24-hour stomach bug going around preschool…ugh!), so I’ve been out of a lot of the loop today…
Hey egregious — how’s tricks?
If you want to see how far those three points are going to go – go read the al-Marri decision handed down by the Fourth Circuit today.
Short answer: as to point 3
the Fourth Circuit’s just fine with that.
I don’t support impeachment proceedings against President Bush.
Talk about whining…. I am sick of hearing these idiot dems whining about all the things bush has done to the country yet have no intention of imposing a consequence for it. What the hell would keep him from doing exactly what he wants to do?
But, Christy, they’re well monitored by El Baradei they’ve conducted numerous unannounced inspections at Natanz and other sites… Heck, they can legally enrich uranium in the centrifuges by the NPT standards… Scott Ritter has called it Bovine Excrement…
The Fourth Circuit has long been one of the most conservative and authoritarian circuits in the country — so don’t take any decision from them as the final word. Plus, there were two decisions, not just one — and one of those (also a 5-4 vote split from them) allowed for legal challenge for Al Marri.
Hi christy and everyone – sorry to OT but if you have a moment, Howie would appreciate a bump (digg) on his story at the HuffPo…
9/11 didn’t do this, they have always wanted to do this. 9/11 shook the country, but Dick Chaney along with the whole gang always wanted this.
true.
That Rachel Maddow is simply a swell, smart cookie with her concise, clear, logical commentary. I wish she got more time on network vs. cable.
And another thing, why is the constitutional crisis packaged as nothing more than liberal sour grapes when the fact is that this issue UNITES legal scholars at both ends of the political spectrum.
That was disturbing too, but, I’d keyed in on the Iran sabre rattling…! ;-)
Because it’s more convenient for right-wing pundits to portray this as a “political divide” issue than to face up to the fact that they’ve been propping up a bunch of lying, dictatorial asshats for the last few years and admitting that their conduct has been utterly and completely antithetical to the rule of law and, thus, unAmerican? Just a guess…
that is great news (re jane mayers to visit for book salon). wow.
Hey Christy,
Thanks for the tea, things are going well here. Living in a place with medium/low humidity for the first time ever, that’s very pleasant.
I really appreciate the heavy lifting you are doing on FISA and torture and many other issues here. Likely it represents a lot of behind the scenes work that we don’t know about. But it matters — a lot.
i hadn’t heard anything about it being difficult to monitor iran’s program – i thought they have even agreed to more instrusive monitoring than that required by the npt.. did i miss something?
This quote in the L.A. Times review is already a kind of cliche is inapt. At least according Froomkin’s synopsis of Mayer’s book, Cheney and Addington weren’t well-meaning.
To the MSM it’s taboo to ever question motives. Thus, they frame our debate on torture as an idealistic question of how much liberty we are willing to trade for “security”, instead of questioning what the motives of the torture are, and whether “security” is the result, or even the aim.
Ritter was all over cable before we invaded Irak saying there was no way they had WMD.
They have in the last year or so — but there were a lot of difficulties not too far in the past, as I recall, that required quite a bit of diplomatic wrangling from the French and others to kickstart. (And I don’t have a link off the top of my head at the moment on that, sorry — just going from memory…)
Will get to TV when I get home and check it out. Just seeing it on the TV is encouraging. I just wish it was somewhere else besides CSPAN.
So was El Baradei… De Ja Vu, all over again…? 8-(
Thanks egregious — really appreciate it. Between FISA and the family health issues the last month or so, I’m really wiped out. Good news is they’ve managed to wean the FIL off the respirator again, so we did get a bit of good news this week. Yay!
I tried, from the opening of the debate on war with Iraq, until now. And for sharing my views and knowledge, I was attacked first from the right and, more recently from the left for articulating my concerns about Obama’s lack of experience. People who look at what Valerie and I have been put through would no doubt think twice (or more) about putting their heads above the parapet.
When we as a nation graduate from high school, perhaps we can engage in adult discussions of substance rather than jumping to character assassination as a rejoinder to points being made.
Until then, I suspect most Americans reflect the views of one who recently said to me: “Let me get this straight. In your professional life you confronted Saddam Hussein, Dick Cheney and George Bush. You’re not very smart, are you?”
Welcome Joe!
jane mayer spoke today at the new america foundation.
video links aren’t up yet at c-span , but will be posted on the c-span archive.
audio and youtube has already been posted by NAF.
Hi Joe! Yeah, it’s beyond frustrating watching what so many people with experience and long-term understanding of so much of this have tried to do in terms of injecting wisdom — and how many times that has been swatted aside.
And what you and Valerie and far too many others have paid as a result of speaking up was unconscionable. But you know that far too well already.
(Do say howdy to Valerie for me, please.)
I look forward to that book salon as I look forward to extracting, with my fellow citizens, every ounce of punishment and pain we can visit upon Miss Nancey, Stainy, ‘The Rabbis’, ‘SellOut’ Reid and the rest of the folks masquerading as ‘Democrats’.
Political pain of course. The Hague will eventually have it’s say on these matters. The day of Pax Americana is over hastened considerably by the Neocon losers who have come as close as no matter to destroying out nation.
It’s….
legal institutions
Military
Economy
all lie in ruins. Truly George W. Bush can throw out his chest and say, ‘I destroyed America’ with some degree of truth.
But we’ve been in worse spots. the 1870s and 80s as well as everyone’s fav boogeymat ‘The Great Depression’ stand out.
The truly sad thing is that the solutions to all our problems are right at hand yet we have no leaders with the courage to speak the truth to the people and grasp those solutions.
It will be, I believe, solely up to us: The citizens of the United States to pull ourselves our the hole DINOs and ReThugs have dug as our grave.
Ambassador Wilson, I think that person is just one of those who recognizes that there is sometimes a thin line between bravery and stupidity! :})
((((((christy & Egy))))))))))
Ambassador Wilson, nice to see you here! Thanks to you and Valerie for your work and perseverance.
It comes down to a line from one of the Harry Potter books: You have to choose between what is right, and what is easy.
Aloha, Joe! Any thoughts on the sabre-rattling against Iran?
(((((entire Smith family)))))
oh! and (((((((((joe & valerie & Family))))))))))
I think at least some of them have read Winston Churchill
Yep. I don’t pray often but one of the few times is a prayer that when something happens, that I have the strength to stand up for what is correct.
Whistle-blowers tend to be my professional heroes for their willingness to stand up and say “This is wrong and must be stopped”
The problem being that they read the Churchill quote, and decided to test it out as a theory of power accumulation instead of seeing it as a cautionary tale, eh? I’m reading the new book co-written by Sen. Byrd at the moment — Letters To A New President — and it’s such a wonderful walk through history in terms of reminders of who we ought to be through the eyes of the best of who we have been.
No Joe you’re not ’smart’ like the criminally insane Cheney or the pathetic Bush you are what our nation needs a whole lot more of.
Tough, knowleadgeable people who understand our system of government, it’s strengths and it’s weaknesse’s. and are prepared to fight to the last gasp for it and the people it represents.
I salute your’s and Valerie’s contribution to the endless battle between those who would rule us as slaves and those who understand that the people are the source of all the power and all that is good in our nation.
That’s a very, very tough road, though. Look at what happened to Amb. Wilson and Valerie, for example. Or Bunnatine Greenhouse that Sen. Dorgan talked about on Monday here. Or any number of others for whom retribution in this Administration, anyway, has been swift and as ugly as they could make it in public.
It truly feel like the Bush/Cheney social formative years got stuck somewhere around junior high bullying skills, doesn’t it?
Greenwald also posted on this yesterday:
my emphasis.
so its a little disingenuous to just call these Bush/Cheney policies, as if the problem is all on one side and the solution all on the other.
If one beleives that people ought to have the sanctity of their own bodies, and not be subjected to horrible State Terror in the form of torture, then there ought to be a little self examination to see if the Democratic Party, so complicit and accepting of all of the terrible crimes of torture and war, is really worth supporting in any way.
their complicity becomes your complicity – the innocent victims of airstrikes ordered by Commander in Chief Obama become your victims.
excerpting from Glenn again:
Perhaps he is taboo now, for he is uttering such Forbidden Thoughts.
Thank you, my thoughts exactly.
Never give up Joe and Valerie. History will be far kinder to your true patriotism than it will be to the fake patriotism and fear mongering that this administration has engendered.
You two can be very proud. I am continuously inspired by you two!
Unfortunately, the vilification of whistle-blowers has been around a long long time.
Think Daniel Ellsberg and Ernest Fitzgerald just for starters (going to the ’70s)
maybe you are thinking of the negotiations in 2003? i’m with CT on this one – the administration (and far too many democrats) are making what appear to be wild unsubstantiated and provocative claims wrt iran’s nuclear program.
Most of this overreach was known from the beginning in its general outlines if not the specific details. But Congress and the media were so busy being “patriotic” that they didn’t bother to look very hard at the fire sale going on of our Constitution and our historic adherence to international convention. Then they didn’t revisit the issues for years. Now it is just the steady repetition of “No one could have predicted”. Soon it will be “Past is past. We need to move on.”
We saw part of the problem earlier today when Senator Levin visited. Here he is investigating the Administration’s history of torture, and this doesn’t ring any impeachment bells for him. In fact, he opposes impeachment. What does this mean? What is wrong with our Congress and our Congress people that they are faced with overwhelming evidence of the most serious and fundamental “high crimes and misdemeanors” and their reaction is to take impeachment off the table?
Yeah, that’s why we work with Glenn all the time on any number of issues. Please stop trying to stir the pot…it’s rather sad.
Or Jerry Doe, for that matter…
One might reflect on this and, if you’ve read you history carefully, realize that that is the level which most society’s never rise above.
Many have commented on the Congress as ‘high school’. So many that perhaps there is more than a grain of truth to it.
Politics it would appear does not engage the higher areas of brain function, such is my current thinking about it, as the Obama phenomenon should demonstrate quite clearly. Nothing against the good Senator, this time, but has anyone noticed the great resemblance between the ways his supporters have acted and say those of….
George Bush.
And yes this is a serious question.
So maybe all this torture and suspension of rights occured because we had a president who shit his pants on 9/11?
Maybe so!
Exactly.
Cocktail weenies more valuable than the Constitution.
Power for power’s sake, not interested in preserving the rule of law.
Maybe Bush and Cheney have so much dirt on them they can’t impeach…the whole congress is culpable. They would have to impeach themselves.
LOL! right – that’s why fdl has been posting the banner encouraging folks to donate to their joint project with glenn to punish dems who sell out on our core constitutional pinciples.
“What is wrong with our Congress and our Congress people that they are faced with overwhelming evidence of the most serious and fundamental “high crimes and misdemeanors” and their reaction is to take impeachment off the table?”
Fear.
Obama lost my support over FISA. It was a make or break 4th Amendment Constitutional issue and he ingloriously caved on it. I would point out that just as he did not lead on FISA neither did Clinton. In fact, except for a good speeches by Feingold, Leahy, and Dodd, no one did.
Welcome, Ambassador Wilson! Thank you to you and Valerie for your public service and for confronting all of those SOBs. As one who was there with you, Jay Inslee, and the others in North Seattle on August 21, 2003, may I say that I still hope, someday, to see Rove do the FrogMarch!
Dodd-Feingold for President in 2012!
you work with DWT as well, and he supports Independents like Michael Jackson in LA and Dr. Steven Porter in PA.
my sense of the consensus at FDL is that it is a Democratic Party activist site, though many including Selise, have strongly objected to this characterization.
Clarifications always welcome – but I see substantial tension between Progressive, Social Justice and Environmental values and (D) electioneering.
If your emphasis is on the latter, then perhaps this is, to you, sad.
completely OT – i left a comment deep in epu-land over at emptywheel that might be of interest to folks here too. it’s on how to get transcripts of congressional hearings that are covered by cspan. it’s a weird work around – but worth it, imo:
punish them … how? with 3rd party or Independent candidacies? is that in the range of options, or not? again, clarifications welcome from those who know….
Spork, I’m a reformed Nader Raider… I wouldn’t use cookie cutter attributions…!
Look, you pop into my comments section regularly to try and gin up attention and debate about an issue we regularly cover. We call Dems on the carpet all the time — and Steve Porter has been a guest here for Blue America chats live as well as on our fundraising list.
Constantly raising an issue while conveniently leaving out all the facts may make you feel better about yourself, but it doesn’t make what you are saying true. And I’m not going to let you keep coming here and pushing a false meme without calling you on it.
Whatever your personal attention game is in the comments, feel free to play it. But get your facts straight.
Well … he could subpoena George Tenet to start with
http://www.guardian.co.uk/envi…../energy.g2
And, for the record, here are two of Steve Porter’s chats on FDL: here and here.
And you just made the point. DWT is a separate web site that works with Jane and Christy sometimes. Howie’s goals are not always the same as Jane’s, although they do coincide frequently.
If you are not happy with how Jane and Christy pursue things here, why do you stay and comment so frequently?
Gliewitz Incident Do people get the historical significance??
It’s a problem no question. Many still don’t grasp the difference between a Progressive and a Democrat. I do not believe that is an issue with frontpagers here however.
And….
I can see a growing awareness in the threads both here and elsewhere that it takes more than saying ‘I am a Democrat’ to get progressive support.
As it should.
Never forget most of the folks in our country are as ’smart’ as the gophers in their back lawn when it comes to politics. Half don’t even bother to vote.
What can a citizen do when an Administration often operates outside the Constitution and law with a complacent, compliant Congress? Title 18 > Part I > Chapter 115 > Section 2382 Misprision of treason says it all. Could the threat of this statute (if there were anyway to procee with it) cause Congress to do its duty? Nah.
Fear of what. They have 70% + in their corner. What gives.
Could it be that the crimes to which we referencing are so egregious (sorry) that a kind of cognitive dissonance pervades rational thought. “It just couldn’t be possible in America.” It’s like being in a kind of shock wherein rather than confront it, you shut down and fall into a more simpler world where flowers bloom and birds sing.
We need people like the Wilsons now more than ever before in our history. And we all have to (and will) stand with them.
Where is Joe Wilson?
The Ritter link I posted above also covered that, in particular, the planting of a laptop computer with those plans into the Iranian laps…!
They lack courage. Why, I have no clue. Maybe it’s their political consultants.
In case you’re still reading…Just FYI: Was wondering how you & family were just this morning. Good to know you’re still about. As far as what it takes to go up against Bush, et al. It takes courage and integrity. If that’s not very smart, I’m all for it.
have you read glenn’s comments or asked him? i haven’t seen it if you have. all i know is from what glenn has written. for example:
Preventive war equals Nuremberg except when we do it. Then it is Cheney’s 1% solution.
‘They’ are so ill-informed or isolated and lied to that ‘they’ don’t know that.
Also….
Chicago Dyke wrote a post two years ago talking about how D.C. is this armed camp where to go to you congressional job you’ve gotta navigate all these ’security’ checkpoints. I’m not sure if that is still the case, I would imagine it is, but that might affect your outlook on….
….just about everything.
I don’t understand what drives folks who should damn well know better than to allow criminals to destroy the American way and the constitution which has governed this country since it’s inception. The republics impeached a man over a blow job for god’s sake. This isn’t what we’re talking about here. It’s not petty politics, it’s our very way of life.
I’m being censored again.
See ya!
Please forgive the off topic, according to RollCall the Medicare Senate override vote will be 5.30 eastern.
thanks……..
I don’t understand either. Cowardice only goes so far to explain it. But perhaps these poltroons in Congress would be singing a different tune were it not for the Mighty Wurlitzer.
Oh, sorry missed it. Which post?
And, yea, they did give up their program, if you can believe these commie leftists ;)
http://www.dni.gov/press_relea…..elease.pdf
how come and why??? Lets see what is being censored !!!!
censorship sucks………………..
He’s not being censored. Every one of his comments is public — I just checked backstage. So no idea what he’s talking about unless one of his comments got eaten in a server hiccup or something.
Agreed, 100%. They sore an oath to protect the constitution. When we elected them, we gave them our trust that they would honor that oath. Therefore, they have a legal and moral responsibility to fulfill.
Predictions?
There are just so many disconnects in all this. If a Democratic President had been responsible for even a 1/10 of what Bush has done, his/her ass would have been impeached years ago. But with Bush, arguably the worst President in our history, nothing.
Madam,
Thank you for checking. We posters do not have that liberty.
Marcy’s up
Ask Arar or el-Masri, both of whose cases were spun.
Or, for that matter, ask who is ever going to have any accountablity for the years of pre-charging, pre-judgement government abuse in Padilla’s case?
BTW, keep in mind that Gonzales also said when the TSP came to light that the reason Bush had not gone to a Republican Congress to ask for authorization is that they knew they wouldn’t get it. What does it say that they had no problems of any kind getting it from a Democratic Congress and no problems of any kind getting the presumptive Democratic nominee to peptalk it?
Makes my flesh crawl that Bob Barr is a better candidate on civil liberties than McCain or Obama (or Clinton).
BTW Selise, thanks for reminding Sen. Levin of Schumer’s position on torture before. I think when Clinton was in office, Schumer’s position on unconstitutional wiretapping is about what Mukasey’s is now as well. As long as people keep confusing hard right with center and allowing themselves to be led by that, the county will only go round in circles, creating deeper and deeper ruts that it won’t be able to climb out of – Democrat and Republican have no real meaning when the most extreme ideas are all being mislabelled as “centrist.”
Marcy had an excellent post and I covered some of it at this post…
LOL!!! As we see it, the growing awareness you speak of may be your own.
the author is talking about cheney?
no, cheney is NOT “well meaining”, his intention WAS to create more unrest, his intention WAS to create more insurgency and enemies of this country
he knew as a FACT his “program” would create more enemies, more incidents and he knew as a fact we could NOT “win their hearts and minds” if we used polices of torture
i know i shouldn’t be – but i confess, i’m still in shock on that one (having heard it for the first time during a hjc hearing in may of this year).
I am American first. Independent in thought and action. I give my support to people who express merit. Bush / Cheney are neo-fascists, by definition.
I come to this site because the logic employed by the likes of EW CHS Jane Egregious etc… have merit and are based in reason, opposed to servile prejudices, abject selfishness, and the garbage of the compromised MSM.
You people think…. therefore you are!!
had to leave awhile, real life intervened.
anyway, missed you guys, too.
I realize my opinions are outliers here, but the blogosphere welcomes diversity, so I’ve heard.
this is incorrect, the whitehouse wasn’t “relying” on these opinions, they insisted on these opinion writen so they might claim some kind of excuse
they didn’t “rely” on yoo, the hired yoo to do their bidding, dashlle is incorrect
sporkovat – i don’t think anyone complained about your opinions. it was the getting stuff wrong bit (about the work with glenn for example).
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time and your government when it’s right, a Mark Twain aphorism that Scott Horton reminded us applies equally well today.
good point, I would like to fine tune;
Patriotism in America means protecting your constitution and guarding against those who attack it
Go ahead, that’s the entire point of the name — I *want* people to use the word. It means, they have gone too far.
Can the states prosecute any of the crimes of the Bush Administration?
Clearly Bush will pardon many for the many crimes, but can say the State of Vermont prosecute them for any of the crimes they have committed?
Christy:
Maybe they could also ask him about this. Iglesias: Ashcroft Was ‘Pushed Out’ Because He ‘Refused To Sign Off On The Warrantless Wiretaps’
I know, like they would ever care /s
Free pardons right here, getchyer free pardons
I don’t think a lot of the principles were ‘well meaning’. George, in particular, appeared to like the idea of torture.
Not a fan of Ashcroft’s, but as I wrote at the time he had lines. He wouldn’t let the FBI participate in torture, either, for that matter.
Update on Impeachment
Debate is expected according to CSPAN
Debate on Impeachment Vote
Today
This afternoon, members are expected to debate a single article of impeachment for Pres. Bush, submitted by Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH). He introduced 35 articles of impeachment on the President in June and a similar resolution against Vice President Cheney last year.
Christy,
Just want to commend you on this excellent post. As always, you bring it home at least for me. Either we are a country ruled by our constitution and the rule of law or we are not.
9-11 did a number on a number of our citizens, and IMHO, the president and all the president’s men. All that was left was revenge seeking to hit those who hurt us so badly. But you know when it all comes out in the wash, our constitution would have served us well, had our leaders just had the courage to adher to it’s principals.
It’s too bad they chose not to do so.
And. Thank you and Jane, and all those who contribute to this blog for your dedication to making this country a better place to live.
epu’d–
http://www.npr.org/templates/r…..p?prgId=13
jane mayer was on terry gross’ fresh air today-link above
and barack is on larry king tonight
I am a little lost here. Is Congress actually going to “debate” the impeachment or is this just another PR thingy from K from cleveland?
I’m not sure but if IIRC from what I read late last week, it’s a semi legit debate because Rep Kucinich has been forcing the issue.
So glad to learn Jane Mayer’s Dark Side will be a Book Salon conversation, Christy! Froomkin’s commentary, together with Frank Rich’s Sunday column convinced me this is a must-read. Would that it would have the same effect on The Villagers.
Christy,
Thanks so much for this blog!
“So why wasn’t this exposed fully to the American public well before now?”
I think that, sadly, one of the reasons is the complicity of key leaders in the Democratic Party– Jello Jay, Nancy Pelosi, Jane Harman and others privy to the classified info, and the strange lack of interest by other members of the senior leadership.
I think the Democratic Party needs to purge its leadership of those who were corrupted by the Bush administration. Rockefeller and Harman will protest that they emitted squeaks of protest, and we need to find out whether those were pro forma CYA protests, or sufficient responses to the depredations of the White House. But it needs to be established that complicity in illegal activities is not OK, either by Democrats or Republicans.
Bob in HI
And so it will be bottled up in committee until swine develop wings…. it really is time for a purge.
nomolos–kucinich doesn’t do things for pr, he does them because that’s what he does. just how he is. it’s why i send him money.
If you consider that in the 1990s they lobbied hard for a DoD which could fight two considerable wars simultaneously and they had plans on the board for both Afghanistan and Iraq it’s not hard to say that 9/11 was entirely irrelevant to them except to use it as a backdrop for p.r. purposes.
If the government needs to know more then maybe they should question Dick Cheney, er the CEO of Halliburton. I’ve read they’re selling nuclear power plant stuff to Iran.
Play both sides of the street: sell ‘em stuff on one hand and then threaten to blow ‘em up on the other — that seems to be the Bush/Cheney idea.
I am very honored that you featured my video from You Tube with your excellent article, Ms. Smith. “Not A Close Question” On Torture[?] Not at all. War crimes? Without a doubt.
Happy to be a new member of Firedoglake ~
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welcome to the lake, windharps. if you have any questions, please ask.
Welcome WindHarps! Hope to see more of your work and hear what you are thinking.
@ http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=WindHarps
Thanks for the quick welcomes :)
WindHarps!
i believe we have met on youtube? great to see you here and i hope it won’t be the last time.
p.s. if you update your profile by putting your youtube link as your website, everyone will be able to access it by clicking on your name.
oops, should have included my own youtube link so you would remember me.
http://www.youtube.com/user/selise
Hello Selise ~
Thanks for the welcome. And yes, I know/remember you from You Tube. Your videos are always welcomed for their much needed impact. Shared goals, my friend ~