When you wonder how the Taliban survives and thrives in Afghanistan when they murder and kill in large and disproportionate numbers think of this:
On a hillside high in the mountains of eastern Afghanistan there are three charred clearings where the American bombs struck.
Scattered around are chunks of twisted metal, blood stains and small fragments of sequinned and brightly decorated clothes - the material Afghan brides wear on their wedding day.
After hours of driving to the village deep in the bandit country of Nangarhar's mountains we heard time and again the terrible account of that awful day.
What began as celebration ended with maybe 52 people dead, most of them women and children, and others badly injured.
The US forces said they targeted insurgents in a strike. But from what I saw with my own eyes and heard from the many mourners, no militants were among the dead.
A big double wedding was taking place between two families, with each exchanging a bride and a groom.
So Lal Zareen's son and daughter were both getting married on the same day.
He gave the account with his son, a 13-year-old groom, sitting at his feet.
"This is all the family I now have left," he said in a disturbingly matter of fact sort of way.
From his story and from those of other survivors, it appears the wedding group was crossing a narrow pass in the mountains which divides the valleys where the two families live.
From nowhere a fast jet flew low and dropped a bomb right on top of the pass near a group of children who had impatiently rushed ahead and were resting, waiting for the women to catch up.
Lal Zareen was waiting expectantly for the guests to arrive when he heard the explosion and began to climb up the steep mountain track to the pass.
Shah Zareen was part of the group up on the path - he had narrowly escaped being caught in the first bomb and told the women to stay where they were as he rushed to help the children.
Shah Zareen picked up one of the injured, ran down to the village and on his way was calling his local member of parliament on a mobile phone to say they had been attacked.
But then he heard the second blast - the bomb had been dropped on top of the women and almost all of them had been killed.
Three girls escaped, among them the bride, but as they ran down the hillside a third bomb landed on top of them.
Shah Zareen explained to me how one of the many new graves contained just body parts of two or three people and the graves that had been dug and not filled were for those still missing - once their remains had been found.
The BBC team I was with were the first outsiders to see where the bombs hit - even the Afghan investigators did not climb up the steep mountainside - and there was much evidence to support the story.
This is not the first such incident. When one peruses the mass death tolls of Iraq and Afghanistan it always seems to involve from either ourselves or some group opposed to our involvement in that country common characteristics: Weddings, Funerals, Marketplaces, or as today in Iraq, the ever targeted recruitment office.
But for a mission so entrenched with winning over the population the occupying force cannot ever afford the error of killing women and children and we have done so repeatedly.
Occupiers are historically unpopular in virtually any circumstance, especially when they stay for a prolonged period. And little is less popular than the anti-septic method of mass murder produced by a bomb from the air, and because of the spartan nature of "allied" forces in Afghanistan this is too often the mode of attack. We cannot find bin Laden, let alone bomb him, but we have dropped far too many bombs and made far too many PR mistakes like this.
Don't think for a minute that that Taliban aren't delighted with our methods.
(pic from BBC)
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Who in the hell are the terrorists?
Wow can we get the name of that pilot cause he’s presidential material.
I wonder if the Taliban set the Americans up on this one.
What a tragedy for the families.
Death from above. Brave bunch of motherfuckers we are.
we just have to look in the mirror
FYI
BUSH LOVES THE TALIBAN
http://openthread.dailykos.com.....547/551678
If only we had a rigorous 4th estate
just heard 44% still supported HOOVER during the Depression
Morning Attaturk ,
Second read of this morning ,the first read being a response from Traitor Casey telling me I misunderstood he’s fine American vote on FISA because it will now be the exclusive law of the land. BULLSHIT . Then I go to seek the calming waters of the lake and Attaturk points out a water spout sponsored by US again. Dam these war whores and what they are doing to our sanity . I know I’m Pissed When extra letters keep popping up in the text.
I will be at my corner Tuesday 6/7, same as the last five years, with my fancy latest sign in support for AMERICA
“Traitors torture
Remove the war criminals from our White House
Beep for Peace”
And I want to tell you I’m getting more beeps than the first week years ago. Peace to you Attaturk
Speaking with Mohammed on those Sunday nights he makes an appearance, something I look forward to and hope for each Sun, it doesn’t take much to bring out his anger at us. And rightfully so. So many see the world only through their privileged eyes. I imagine it is hard for a comfortable couch potato to ever think of what the Irakis and Afghanis are going through. The Taliban may be medieval brutes but we’ve probably managed to kill more innocents than they ever could. I understand and feel Mohammed’s anger. An anger that burns through the soul. I’ve hesitated commenting on the Guides blog because I fear the rage within myself will become unbearable.
I find it difficult to be on the Siun’s thread while it’s live, so I read it the next day. I hate what we are doing to the Iraqis.
mornin’ turkamundo and pups–they didn’t use a drone? -i guess we were running out of innocent people to kill in irak. and the air force is bored, having to pretty much sit out this ’war’ until basra…….now that basra’s under ’control’, where else were they gonna go? you know they weren’t gonna sit this one out…./s
a friend who was doing construction in irak was moved to afghanistan a few months ago, so, figured the fighting was gonna follow/intensify as soon as we started building more stuff there. no details, just that he moved to afghanistan.
ot–jane mayer author of the dark side is on terry gross on npr today. lotta talk about her and her book yesterday, thought people would want to know.
gotta go-bbl
Do you remember years back we bombed a wedding party ,I think again in Afghan.
During public prayers in my FORMER church,after suffering through countless prayers to protect OUR troops, I prayed for the families of that wedding party and that they might find peace. Not such a robust “Lord hear our prayer”
Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-NY), Judiciary Subcommittee on Civil Rights, Chairman will be up on Washington Journal shortly.
Douglas Feith will testify, he refused to appear the last time because former chief of staff to Secretary of State Powell, Lawrence Wilkerson was on the same panel Feith was to be on.
link to committee’s webcast
It can be hard at times but the chance to engage with someone on the ground is too important to miss, for me. And once in a while, like this past Sunday, some clueless person gets a lesson.*g*
They hate us for our freedom.
southern at 11 and others–
here’s rev mike kinman’s blog, he was here last sunday on siun’s thread. this page starts march 28,08, when another of mohammed’s brothers was murdered.
he has links on how he built up a relationship with mohammed and other links that i found revelatory.
it changed how i went about doing things when this happened. my letters and calls, i stepped it up a notch.
all because of ali and mohammed. and what rev mike wrote and the older links with mohammed that he shared on his blog.
i’ll leave it at that, it pretty much speaks for itself.
http://e4gr.blogspot.com/2008/.....-kill.html
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i wonder if they’re using cluster bombs in afghanistan now, like in irak. i would like to know that one.
ok, gotta go. bbl.
In Iraq & Afghanistan the U.S. has had a nasty habit of bombing the weddings…and Al Qaeda or the Taliban bombing the funerals.
Quite the vicious circle.
forgot to say–siun gave me the rev mike link when ali was murdered. scroll down a little for the links i was talking about.
Bookmarked and I’ll be catching up on that one. Thanks for the link.
Jerry Nadler just said once we’re into the next administration he wants to see members of this administration prosecuted for war crimes.
Winning the hearts and minds is an obsolete strategy. Just get them to fear leaving their homes. Easier and more cost effective I suppose.
That’ll be the day.
They hate us for our bomb-dropping masacres of women and children.
Good morning Attaturk, pups
gotta keep Hope alive
There’s an old SNL skit with Jesse Jackson about keeping Hope alive. Too funny.
Mornin’, egregious.
GM announcing huge layoffs, suspension of dividends. NPR hourly news brief.
Like any human behavior, torture can be individual or collective. Just as we hope the individual victim will “fold”, our leaders hope whole societies will “fold” if we inflict sufficient pain. We tried it in Vietnam and it didn’t work. Doesn’t look like it’s working in the Middle East. When you are as exceptional as the United States, you don’t make mistakes, but if we are honest, we all have a hand in this.
thank you Attaturk. imo, the democratic “plan” for focusing on our occupation of afghanistan is beyond obscene. how in the world they can think bombing innocent iraqis might be counter productive but bombing afghanis is a good thing is something i just can’t comprehend.
Off to swim in the great capitalist cesspool.
Thinking of Mohammed and all Irakis and Afghanis.
Be good to yourselves, and all other living things.
Namaste
Hey Southern Dragon, have a good day at work
The Bush tax cuts just keep on working!
well, runnin’ late cuz i tried to find my bookmark for a list of blogs from around the world, afghanistan was on there. i’ll look again when i get back.
here’s gorillas guides flickr page
http://www.flickr.com/photos/27086036@N02/
meant to link it earlier.
have a good day, pups.
Drive by on the way out. The auto industry has sold the public on image for years, in collusion with the oil industry. They got nobody to blame but themselves for this. The reasoning given this morning was the demand for smaller, more fuel efficient cars. Their money vacuum went on the fritz. Awwww, cry me a river.
Pension plans, etc are another story. Guess it’s time for them to rethink their investment strategies.
Let’s see if I can follow the sick Bush logic. We pick a country, declare them to the be enemy, kill some of them — this is the important step, it doesnt matter whether they are innocent or not — and declare a sick kind of victory over the dangerous “terrorists”.
And the newspapers dutifully report that “insurgents” were attacked.
Mission accomplished!
Yeah, I’ve heard the ridiculous excuse “We’re making up for the lack of ‘boots on the ground’ by using more air power.” What sheer and utter garbage!!!!! Using air power in a guerrilla war is a grossly counterproductive use of resources. A year or two ago, I saw a study that concluded that simply riding around in motorized vehicles deprived occupation troops of the close-up contact needed to figure out who was who. It’s utter foolishness to think that one can simply walk down a street (Or, obviously, fly at several thousand feet over it) and pick out “the bad guys.”
OT. Tapes of Khadr being interrogated in Gitmo are out.
He was 16… Yup, he looks like a dangerous ter’rist.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story.....tapes.html
Bush is supposed to have a news conference around 10:20 EST. Not sure what he will talk about or if I will listen. My tolerance of idiots is low this morning. He may talk about the Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae mess. If he does, I’m predicting he’ll push tax cuts and drilling for oil because that’s how you get to be and remain the worst President in our history, well that and starting stupid wars and then prosecuting them in the most boneheaded manner possible.
you mean the tapes are released to the public when you say “Tapes of Khadr being interrogated in Gitmo are out”
not that they aren’t going to be used as evidence, right?
The Afghanis should quit whining and go shopping.
-Phil Gramm
Bush holding this press conference is train wreck teeVee
Yes, that’s what I meant. The tapes are being released to the public. First, a ten minute edit by Khadr’s lawyers, and later on today, the whole seven plus hours.
I wish my english would be less aproximative, I am talking to lawyers after all.
Thanks Ellie!
New post
It’s a disturbing article to read, but thanks for posting it here.
really creepy how later he wants to stay at Gitmo because the weather’s nice.
don’t want to think about what we did to get him to say that.
Oh Atta, I know this story needs to be told, but my heart aches and my anxiety is heightened.
My son leaves early on Friday morning for his training prior to 9 months in Afghanistan. He’s in the Navy, but he’s going to be in Afghanistan, and the timing on it seems that he is going to get there as things get more violent, more dangerous, and the people have more reason to hate the Americans. He has family members traveling to see him before he goes, and he doesn’t want that, because it makes him feel like they think they will never see him again, and he can’t have that mindset, he has to believe he’s coming back. I’m terrified. Both that he won’t come back, and that he’ll come back, but be so damaged by this, either physically and certainly mentally.
I’m sorry, I know this is personal, but The Lake gives me strength and hope, and I need some of that, after reading about this bombing of a wedding, and knowing that my son is going there. He wants to server, and to help, but I think he’s being set up to be devastated, and I know, we were attacked, but I don’t see this serving any purpose whatsoever.
The Rude One has a great post where he poses the question, do we as a country have the courage to examine how we arrived to where we are today, and to seriously prosecute those who are resposible for the death, corruption, and suffering in which the U.S. has engaged? Bush, Cheney, Condi, Rummy, and the rest may have directed it, but we as a peoples are responsible for making our wrongs right.
Impeachment, rightly, is off the table but prosecution for war crimes is not, and should never be. Do we, as a nation, have the courage to face the terrible reality war crimes trials would reveal? I’m not optimistic.
Yeah, bombing - the wimp’s way out, the cheapo’s way out, the method that’s used when you don’t know who the enemy is - when there is no enemy - bomb ‘em all and let ceiling man sort ‘em out. You bomb, you’ve lost. We’ve lost. Ask the Russians.
Leinie,
I can only offer you and your family my deepest hopes for your son’s health and safety.
-G
Greg,
Thank you. I have to believe he’ll be ok, but it’s terrifying, and I’m just now living it. There are families out there who have been living this nightmare for years, over and over again.
Comments like yours, and the understanding of the people here that these aren’t toy soldiers, but real, will help me through this.
There will be no prosecutions because there will be many pardons.
Good morning Attaturk. A very sad day for me because two close friends were killed over the weekend by a drunk driver, and now this. I know I’ll never forget the sadness this always causes and I am sure the survivors never will. And those to blame, will not be forgotten either.
(((((rdwdkw))))) My heart goes out to you in your loss. How horrible.
Thank you sir. This couple leaves five children ages 2 to 17 behind with nothing to go forward on, the pain, if you could only see these faces of these kids is, simply overwhelming. If anyone out there could find it in your heart to help these kids, please, please contact the church in Broadlands, Illinois. Thank you very much.
Probably EPU’d, but we need a little more contact info.
Bless everyone that knows or can understand this kind of tragedy. There are 5 boys, ages 2 to 17. This was a family that had nothing, but the wealth of parents that loved them. In lieu of flowers memorials can be made to Longview State Bank c/o Orndorff Boys. You should all know his name was Bill Orndorff and his wife’s name was Julie. Again let me say this, if there is any way anyone can help, please for God’s sake do whatever you can. The people here at FDL are the finest anywhere, I thank everyone.
He’s not supporting impeachment call now, though. Is that right?
From Viet Nam days, “We had to bomb the village in order to save it.”
In Iraq I heard the soldiers are not integrated with civilians enough. So there is paranoia of course when they have to venture forth. Fear and trauma and weaponry and demonization on both sides. Ups the potential for violence. Both sides can’t coexist and have their humanness and vulnerability seen, their mutual “victimhoods”.
I remember being appalled at MSM and people’s fascination and satisfaction with the first Gulf war. The fast, “clean” one where not one MSM newsman seemed to report ANY casualties on the Iraq side. Talk about a failure of journalism and humanism and …. patriarchal leadership. And all those exciting stud missiles flashing in the night. Made great tv. Reality just a video game. Forget about the “mushroom” casualties.
Will pray your son will be safe. Thanks for sharing as you did, leinie.