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	<title>Comments on: FDL Welcomes Senator Carl Levin to Talk about Ongoing Senate Investigation into Detainee Abuse</title>
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		<title>By: katiejacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>katiejacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you for coming to FDL Senator Levin. As one of your Michigan constituents, I urge you to give serious consideration to the points that have been raised. The Bush administration has been allowed to continue to violate the law with impunity under a democratic congress. After 2006 we were counting on the Democrats to restore the rule of law and demand accountability. They have done no such thing. Why not?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for coming to FDL Senator Levin. As one of your Michigan constituents, I urge you to give serious consideration to the points that have been raised. The Bush administration has been allowed to continue to violate the law with impunity under a democratic congress. After 2006 we were counting on the Democrats to restore the rule of law and demand accountability. They have done no such thing. Why not?</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;An impeachment investigation is simultaneously an investigation into the dereliction of duty by Democratic Leadership/Gang o Eight folks.  As you know, I have been saying that for years; same result, they want nothing to do with that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An impeachment investigation is simultaneously an investigation into the dereliction of duty by Democratic Leadership/Gang o Eight folks.  As you know, I have been saying that for years; same result, they want nothing to do with that.</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If the rationale for the FISA legislation and for a go-slow on hearings and the enforcement of Congressional subpoenas relates to complicity in Bush’s conduct by senior Democrats, those Democrats would not find an impeachment inquiry attractive.  That’s because it would create an official record of wrongs or possible wrongs that merited further inquiry, whether by way of a vote on impeachment in the House and trial in the Senate, or investigation and prosecution in open court by federal prosecutors.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Many Democrats seem to have joined lock-step Republicans in concluding that if any wrongs were committed, they were &lt;em&gt;political &lt;/em&gt;wrongs committed in good faith, and should be kept off the record.  After all, unlike drug and gun violence and repeat offenders, for which Congress imposes rigid, mandatory prison sentences on conviction, Mr. Bush’s wrongs, if any, didn’t harm anyone.  They kept us safe, didn’t they Dr. Szell?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the rationale for the FISA legislation and for a go-slow on hearings and the enforcement of Congressional subpoenas relates to complicity in Bush’s conduct by senior Democrats, those Democrats would not find an impeachment inquiry attractive.  That’s because it would create an official record of wrongs or possible wrongs that merited further inquiry, whether by way of a vote on impeachment in the House and trial in the Senate, or investigation and prosecution in open court by federal prosecutors.  </p>
<p>Many Democrats seem to have joined lock-step Republicans in concluding that if any wrongs were committed, they were <em>political </em>wrongs committed in good faith, and should be kept off the record.  After all, unlike drug and gun violence and repeat offenders, for which Congress imposes rigid, mandatory prison sentences on conviction, Mr. Bush’s wrongs, if any, didn’t harm anyone.  They kept us safe, didn’t they Dr. Szell?</p>
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		<title>By: Valtin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valtin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Agreed. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But that doesn’t mean they still don’t want to hide as much of this behavior as they can. At a certain moment, it might reach a tipping point. That it hasn’t yet speaks volumes about the political and social reality we live in.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. </p>
<p>But that doesn’t mean they still don’t want to hide as much of this behavior as they can. At a certain moment, it might reach a tipping point. That it hasn’t yet speaks volumes about the political and social reality we live in.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Agree. I think they were putting stuff in there limiting torture–a DiFi bill.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree. I think they were putting stuff in there limiting torture–a DiFi bill.</p>
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		<title>By: MarilynSanAntone</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarilynSanAntone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Since a number of congress critters have stated they are opposed to impeachment (Levin, Pelosi, probably others), why not have the House Judiciary Committee hold hearings on just the idea of impeachment (of course it would get personal vis a vis Bush)…interview those who oppose it as well as those who would speak for it?  Just to get a discussion of impeachment on the record would be a plus for the history of this period, as well as frustrating the pants off Bush.  No vote for or against, just discussion, constitutional responsibility, etc.  To those who would say it’s a waste of time; well, what have many of these hearings been anyway?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since a number of congress critters have stated they are opposed to impeachment (Levin, Pelosi, probably others), why not have the House Judiciary Committee hold hearings on just the idea of impeachment (of course it would get personal vis a vis Bush)…interview those who oppose it as well as those who would speak for it?  Just to get a discussion of impeachment on the record would be a plus for the history of this period, as well as frustrating the pants off Bush.  No vote for or against, just discussion, constitutional responsibility, etc.  To those who would say it’s a waste of time; well, what have many of these hearings been anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: MarilynSanAntone</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarilynSanAntone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Then I suggest that Jane, Marcy and Christy ask questions that are submitted by commenters to &lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;them&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;… and ask one question at a time so the guest responds to every question.  I would be willing to submit my questions to you.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then I suggest that Jane, Marcy and Christy ask questions that are submitted by commenters to <em></em>them<em></em>… and ask one question at a time so the guest responds to every question.  I would be willing to submit my questions to you.</p>
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		<title>By: ThingsComeUndone</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThingsComeUndone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hopefully he will be back but with better answers.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully he will be back but with better answers.</p>
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		<title>By: brendanx</title>
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		<dc:creator>brendanx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Senator Levin:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Those who watched Haynes’ testimony found his failure to remember key events and memos incredible.  In other words, he was likely lying or refusing to answer, and, in effect, mocking the Senators right to question him.  Do you anticipate any sanction for such uncooperative testimony?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Senator Levin:</p>
<p>Those who watched Haynes’ testimony found his failure to remember key events and memos incredible.  In other words, he was likely lying or refusing to answer, and, in effect, mocking the Senators right to question him.  Do you anticipate any sanction for such uncooperative testimony?</p>
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		<title>By: WilliamOckham</title>
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		<dc:creator>WilliamOckham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Valtin,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve put together a number of instances where the Administration’s policy preceded the OLC opinions that ‘legalized’ the behavior. They include warrantless wiretapping, torture, renditions specifically for torture, and a few others. This is a repeated feature of this Administration&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Valtin,</p>
<p>I’ve put together a number of instances where the Administration’s policy preceded the OLC opinions that ‘legalized’ the behavior. They include warrantless wiretapping, torture, renditions specifically for torture, and a few others. This is a repeated feature of this Administration</p>
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