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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;A Line Was Crossed At Postville&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: raven333</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/a-line-was-crossed-at-postville/#comment-1543233</link>
		<dc:creator>raven333</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 05:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And in our own backyard, we have OneAmerica’s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hatefreezone.org/article.php?list=type&amp;type=56&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;report&lt;/a&gt; on ICE’s Tacoma Detention Center.  Need I tell you that it is damning?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Caw!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And in our own backyard, we have OneAmerica’s <a href="http://www.hatefreezone.org/article.php?list=type&amp;type=56" rel="nofollow">report</a> on ICE’s Tacoma Detention Center.  Need I tell you that it is damning?</p>
<p>Caw!</p>
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		<title>By: libbyliberal</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/a-line-was-crossed-at-postville/#comment-1542659</link>
		<dc:creator>libbyliberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you.  This is so painful to read.  What a nightmare to live through.  Trickle down power and control sadism from on high.  Once again.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you.  This is so painful to read.  What a nightmare to live through.  Trickle down power and control sadism from on high.  Once again.</p>
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		<title>By: FoxintheStars</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/a-line-was-crossed-at-postville/#comment-1542371</link>
		<dc:creator>FoxintheStars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Camayd-Freixas interviewed on Democracy Now!:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.democracynow.org/2008/7/14/court_interpreter_for_workers_rounded_up&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.democracynow.org/20.....rounded_up&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Camayd-Freixas interviewed on Democracy Now!:<br /><a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2008/7/14/court_interpreter_for_workers_rounded_up" rel="nofollow">http://www.democracynow.org/20&#8230;..rounded_up</a></p>
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		<title>By: Wirearchy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/a-line-was-crossed-at-postville/#comment-1542254</link>
		<dc:creator>Wirearchy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Why does the movie “Children of Men” pop into mind ?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does the movie “Children of Men” pop into mind ?</p>
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		<title>By: Justina</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/a-line-was-crossed-at-postville/#comment-1542249</link>
		<dc:creator>Justina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, cobernicus, you are abolutely right: “First they came for the Jews”, next it will be any potential dissident, including the readers and writers on Firedoglake, who will be similarly “fast-tracked” to jail or internment by the right-wing conspirators at Bush-Cheney’s departments Justice and Homeland Security.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As demonstated at Postville, the attorneys at Homeland Security and the Department of Justice have come up with an almost sure-fire method for putting anyone they wish to target in jail for months.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here they arrested hundreds of putative “illegals” in Postville on legally unfounded felony charges carrying a two year minimum sentence upon conviction, then the DOJ offered a blanket plea agreement in which folks would be coerced to plea to a lesser charge with an agreed mandatory five month jail sentence which judges could not refuse to enforce.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Those refusing the plea offer would be subject to at least five months of detainment, without bail, pending trial.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The really nasty catch was that the plea offer was set to expire in 7 days, 3 days before the prosecution would be required to produce evidence of a crime at the probable cause hearing. So, they were forced to make an immediate choice between five months of jail and at least five months in jail awaiting trial with the danger of a two year minimum sentence if convicted at trial.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;According to the court interpreter who wrote this account of Postville, there was no factual basis to support conviction on any of the charges for the majority of detainees, but judges were precluded from examining that because if the Judge found an absence of facts to support the plea, his only recourse was to reject the plea agreement, thus subjecting the detainee to months of jail awaiting trial. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Individual prosecutors were prohibited from changing a single term in the blanket plea agreement by the DOJ.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It appears to this writer that every judge and prosector who participated in this “fast-track” railroad violated the code of professional responsibility and engaged in a conspiracy to deprive the detainees of their constitutional rights. The unchangeable blanket plea agreement is evidence for both.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bar Association complaints should be filed for disbarment against every participating prosecutor for violation of prosecutorial ethics. A class action suit should be brought against the Justice Department and attorneys for wholesale violation of constitutional rights. We cannot allow this pernicious “fast-track” to illegal detention to continue.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, cobernicus, you are abolutely right: “First they came for the Jews”, next it will be any potential dissident, including the readers and writers on Firedoglake, who will be similarly “fast-tracked” to jail or internment by the right-wing conspirators at Bush-Cheney’s departments Justice and Homeland Security.</p>
<p>As demonstated at Postville, the attorneys at Homeland Security and the Department of Justice have come up with an almost sure-fire method for putting anyone they wish to target in jail for months.</p>
<p>Here they arrested hundreds of putative “illegals” in Postville on legally unfounded felony charges carrying a two year minimum sentence upon conviction, then the DOJ offered a blanket plea agreement in which folks would be coerced to plea to a lesser charge with an agreed mandatory five month jail sentence which judges could not refuse to enforce.</p>
<p>Those refusing the plea offer would be subject to at least five months of detainment, without bail, pending trial.</p>
<p>The really nasty catch was that the plea offer was set to expire in 7 days, 3 days before the prosecution would be required to produce evidence of a crime at the probable cause hearing. So, they were forced to make an immediate choice between five months of jail and at least five months in jail awaiting trial with the danger of a two year minimum sentence if convicted at trial.</p>
<p>According to the court interpreter who wrote this account of Postville, there was no factual basis to support conviction on any of the charges for the majority of detainees, but judges were precluded from examining that because if the Judge found an absence of facts to support the plea, his only recourse was to reject the plea agreement, thus subjecting the detainee to months of jail awaiting trial. </p>
<p>Individual prosecutors were prohibited from changing a single term in the blanket plea agreement by the DOJ.</p>
<p>It appears to this writer that every judge and prosector who participated in this “fast-track” railroad violated the code of professional responsibility and engaged in a conspiracy to deprive the detainees of their constitutional rights. The unchangeable blanket plea agreement is evidence for both.</p>
<p>Bar Association complaints should be filed for disbarment against every participating prosecutor for violation of prosecutorial ethics. A class action suit should be brought against the Justice Department and attorneys for wholesale violation of constitutional rights. We cannot allow this pernicious “fast-track” to illegal detention to continue.</p>
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		<title>By: Knut</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/a-line-was-crossed-at-postville/#comment-1542231</link>
		<dc:creator>Knut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This goes beyond immigration.  It is a test run to root out war resisters (where are they?) and certified liberals.  It is a test run for the institution of concentration camps.  Can you say Gulag?  I thought you could.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This goes beyond immigration.  It is a test run to root out war resisters (where are they?) and certified liberals.  It is a test run for the institution of concentration camps.  Can you say Gulag?  I thought you could.</p>
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		<title>By: cbl2</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/a-line-was-crossed-at-postville/#comment-1542213</link>
		<dc:creator>cbl2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;fyi - in case you’ve ever wondered  .  .  .&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The money itself, which currently surpasses $600 billion, is credited to, and comingled with, the general SSA Trust Fund. SSA actuaries now calculate that illegal workers are currently subsidizing the retirement of legal residents at a &lt;strong&gt;rate of $8.9 billion per year&lt;/strong&gt;, for which the illegal (no-match) workers will never receive benefits.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://hutto.galleons.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=41&amp;Itemid=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
non pdf link to Dr. Camayd-Freixas’ essay&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fyi &#8211; in case you’ve ever wondered  .  .  .</p>
<blockquote><p>The money itself, which currently surpasses $600 billion, is credited to, and comingled with, the general SSA Trust Fund. SSA actuaries now calculate that illegal workers are currently subsidizing the retirement of legal residents at a <strong>rate of $8.9 billion per year</strong>, for which the illegal (no-match) workers will never receive benefits.</p>
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<p><a href="http://hutto.galleons.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=41&amp;Itemid=1" rel="nofollow"><br />
non pdf link to Dr. Camayd-Freixas’ essay</a></p>
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		<title>By: 1970cs</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/a-line-was-crossed-at-postville/#comment-1542202</link>
		<dc:creator>1970cs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is how being a Spanish kid with a cell phone in L.A. get’s you tagged a gang member, and locked up&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://counterpunch.org/rodriguez07092008.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://counterpunch.org/rodriguez07092008.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is how being a Spanish kid with a cell phone in L.A. get’s you tagged a gang member, and locked up<br /><a href="http://counterpunch.org/rodriguez07092008.html" rel="nofollow">http://counterpunch.org/rodriguez07092008.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Prairie Sunshine</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/a-line-was-crossed-at-postville/#comment-1542198</link>
		<dc:creator>Prairie Sunshine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And The Delusional Librarian tells him he’s going to have a great legacy.  Grrrrrreeeeaaaatttt.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And The Delusional Librarian tells him he’s going to have a great legacy.  Grrrrrreeeeaaaatttt.</p>
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		<title>By: jackie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/15/a-line-was-crossed-at-postville/#comment-1542193</link>
		<dc:creator>jackie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;‘Wackenhut makes money.’&lt;br /&gt;
Wackenhut has a long and interesting history..&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://electromagnet.us/mirrors/octopus.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://electromagnet.us/mirrors/octopus.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0403/S00233.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0403/S00233.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>‘Wackenhut makes money.’<br />
Wackenhut has a long and interesting history..<br /><a href="http://electromagnet.us/mirrors/octopus.html" rel="nofollow">http://electromagnet.us/mirrors/octopus.html</a><br /><a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0403/S00233.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0403/S00233.htm</a></p>
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